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Car Forum / Toyota / Toyota Cars / February 2008{OT:} Mitt Romney Lies About Vietnam
Another republican chickenhawk. Why do ypu republicans let these elitist shitasses get away with this. Mittens never met an employee he couldn't fire. Chris Kelly Mitt Romney Lies About Vietnam Posted February 5, 2008 | 05:57 AM (EST) "I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there and in some ways it was frustrating not to feel like I was there as part of the troops that were fighting in Vietnam." - Mitt Romney, Boston Globe, 6/24/07 "I was not planning on signing up for the military. It was not my desire to go off and serve in Vietnam." - Mitt Romney, Boston Herald, 5/2/94 Okay, when I saw these two quotes, on Townhall.com this morning, I thought: This looks kind of bad. John McCain has a pretty clear record on Vietnam -- he bombed it -- whereas Mitt Romney spent the turbulent '60s proselytizing to the French. Now we find out that Mitt Romney both passionately wanted to serve his country under arms and had no interest in doing anything of the sort. At the very least, it doesn't seem terribly consistent. To a biased reader, it might even seem like he's full of sh.t. But I knew that couldn't be right. So I read it again. Here's where I'd gotten confused. Mitt Romney "longed" to be in Vietnam, but his "desire" was to be not in Vietnam. Is this really a contradiction? Only if you don't appreciate that longing and desire are two totally different things. Socrates knew they were as different as different could be. That's why he called one thumos and the other epithumetikon, the dark and light horses that pull the chariot of the lover's soul. Mitt Romney famously snapped at Mike Huckabee: "Governor, don't try to characterize my position." (You might as well try to calculate Pi, Gomer.) In this case, though, to understand what Mitt Romney is getting at, you just have to go back and reread Pheadrus. "Now, when the charioteer (Mitt Romney) beholds the vision of love (Vietnam), and has his whole soul warmed through sense, and is full of the prickings and ticklings of desire, the obedient steed (thumos, the desire to go somewhere other than Vietnam) then as always under the government of shame, refrains from leaping on the beloved; but the other (epithumetikon, the longing to be "in the sh.t"), heedless of the pricks and of the blows of the whip, plunges and runs away, giving all manner of trouble to his companion and the charioteer, whom he forces to approach the beloved and remember the joys of love." (Only by taming both horses, by synthesizing longing and desire, can the soul of the lover follow the beloved in modesty and fear. Not unlike how Tony Blair used to look at George Bush.) So you see? It all makes perfect sense, when you understand that Mitt Romney was talking about two entirely different parts of his soul. Like the half that doesn't hunt, and the half that hunts. It's all about the id and the superego. Of course Mitt wanted to get shot down over Hanoi and locked in a box for five years -- who wouldn't? -- but his better angels told him to go to Cannes and spread the Word of the Lord, except to black people. -- The Fighting Romneys Extra It's been six months since Mitt Romney was asked why none of his sons were in Iraq, and answered: "One of the ways my sons are showing support for our nation is helping me get elected because they think I'd be a great president." And he's still a candidate for the nomination. (Okay, barely.) Let's pretend a Democratic politician had said the same thing. How long would it have been -- in hours -- before he was forced out of public life forever? > Another republican chickenhawk. Why do ypu republicans let these > elitist shitasses get away with this. Mittens never met an employee [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > - Mitt Romney, Boston Herald, 5/2/94 Sounds like a guy who longed to be a Boy Commando, but was afraid of getting a.s shot off, or longed to make the scene with a gorgeous hooker, but was concerned about getting an STD. Sometimes you just can't have it both ways. Of course, being a politician is a wonderful occupation, unless your statements are archived and come back to bite you. > Sounds like a guy who longed to be a Boy Commando, but was afraid of > getting a.s shot off, or longed to make the scene with a gorgeous hooker, > but was concerned about getting an STD. Sometimes you just can't have it > both ways. > Of course, being a politician is a wonderful occupation, unless your > statements are archived and come back to bite you. I served in Iraq. I was afraid of getting my a.s shot off. At times I wished I had never signed on. > > Sounds like a guy who longed to be a Boy Commando, but was afraid of > > getting a.s shot off, or longed to make the scene with a gorgeous hooker, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I served in Iraq. I was afraid of getting my a.s shot off. At times I wished > I had never signed on. If you told us you weren't afraid we would not have believed you. >> Sounds like a guy who longed to be a Boy Commando, but was afraid of >> getting a.s shot off, or longed to make the scene with a gorgeous hooker, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I served in Iraq. I was afraid of getting my a.s shot off. At times I > wished I had never signed on. Next time you're in the mood, explain to him why real warriors don't romanticize weaponry and death, like he does. >>> Sounds like a guy who longed to be a Boy Commando, but was afraid of >>> getting a.s shot off, or longed to make the scene with a gorgeous hooker, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Next time you're in the mood, explain to him why real warriors don't > romanticize weaponry and death, like he does. No vet I know, from WWII to the present, ever glamorizes his service. Nor is there any need when it's genuine. >>>> Sounds like a guy who longed to be a Boy Commando, but was afraid of >>>> getting a.s shot off, or longed to make the scene with a gorgeous [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Nor is there any need when it's genuine. My dad is my model for this idea. He flew a TBF Avenger torpedo bomber in WWII, delivering gifts at the sides of Japanese ships, right into their AA fire. He doesn't say much about it, and he doesn't watch war movies. >> No vet I know, from WWII to the present, ever glamorizes his service. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > WWII, delivering gifts at the sides of Japanese ships, right into their AA > fire. He doesn't say much about it, and he doesn't watch war movies. We have a pilot friend who flew a Black Widow, and my father who was a ground-pounder in Sicily, northern Europe, and north Africa. Neither talk at all about their "kills", etc. >>> No vet I know, from WWII to the present, ever glamorizes his service. >>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Neither talk at all about their "kills", etc. About the only "bragging" my dad did was around 1963. He'd kept flying, just enough to keep a license, and for a business trip from Long Island to Baltimore, he decided to rent a 2 engine plane, and bring the family. I was 10, if I'm right about the year. To hear my mother tell the story, he brought the plane down to the point where the props were "touching the water". Probably not, but probably close, right over the Chesapeake Bay. After we landed, the one thing I remember most is extreme silence all the way to the hotel. The kind of silence only married people can create. :-) To him, it was probably a walk in the park. >>>> No vet I know, from WWII to the present, ever glamorizes his service. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > To him, it was probably a walk in the park. Was he billed extra for "upholstery cleaning"? >> Sounds like a guy who longed to be a Boy Commando, but was afraid of >> getting a.s shot off, or longed to make the scene with a gorgeous hooker, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I served in Iraq. I was afraid of getting my a.s shot off. At times I > wished I had never signed on. Ooops. Major omission: Explain to Scott, the fake warrior from Florida. Those two quotes are not oposite of each other. One says "in many respects," and the other says "i was not planning to go." Chris Kelly needs a new hobby... like making model planes or something... > Another republican chickenhawk. Why do ypu republicans let these > elitist shitasses get away with this. Mittens never met an employee [quoted text clipped - 80 lines] > would it have been -- in hours -- before he was forced out of public > life forever? >> Another republican chickenhawk. Why do ypu republicans let these >> elitist shitasses get away with this. Mittens never met an employee [quoted text clipped - 80 lines] >> would it have been -- in hours -- before he was forced out of public >> life forever? > Those two quotes are not oposite of each other. One says "in many > respects," and the other says "i was not planning to go." Chris Kelly > needs a new hobby... like making model planes or something... On the other hand, Romney *is* well known for switching songs a bit too often, depending on his audience. Multiple choice Mitt... > On the other hand, Romney *is* well known for switching songs a bit too > often, depending on his audience. Multiple choice Mitt... I don't know a person in my life who has not changed stances or changed up their stance on a political issue. Mitt's "flip flops" are not remotely any more than anyone else. That commercialized drive has been going on since John Kerry ran, and it's rather ridiculous... Mind you, a representitive should be open to changing stances. >> On the other hand, Romney *is* well known for switching songs a bit too >> often, depending on his audience. Multiple choice Mitt... [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Mind you, a representitive should be open to changing stances. Not three times in one week. >>> On the other hand, Romney *is* well known for switching songs a bit too >>> often, depending on his audience. Multiple choice Mitt... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Not three times in one week. Did he do that? When?W here? and What issue? >>>> On the other hand, Romney *is* well known for switching songs a bit too >>>> often, depending on his audience. Multiple choice Mitt... [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Did he do that? When?W here? and What issue? Reproductive issues, back in September if I recall correctly. > Reproductive issues, back in September if I recall correctly. I remember that and he was explaining his change in the 90's because his Mormon Faith had changed some stances on the issue of abortion. >> Reproductive issues, back in September if I recall correctly. > > I remember that and he was explaining his change in the 90's because his > Mormon Faith had changed some stances on the issue of abortion. This involved 3 absolutely contrasting statements to different audiences in the period of a week. Somewhere in my 2.3 million web bookmarks, I have a link. Maybe I can find it. >>> Reproductive issues, back in September if I recall correctly. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > in the period of a week. Somewhere in my 2.3 million web bookmarks, I have > a link. Maybe I can find it. id like to see it >>>> Reproductive issues, back in September if I recall correctly. >>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > id like to see it Google might help you in the meanwhile. Try the words "multiple choice Mitt". Changing position on an issue based on changing conditions or new information is acceptable. Changing positions to fit the sentiments of a particular audience is not. Jack G. >> On the other hand, Romney *is* well known for switching songs a bit too >> often, depending on his audience. Multiple choice Mitt... [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Mind you, a representitive should be open to changing stances. Remember a couple of weeks ago when McCain looked square at Romney and smilingly told him to the effect "I would certainly agree that YOU"RE the candidate of Change" meaning that he changed his opinion on issues every time you looked around. > Remember a couple of weeks ago when McCain looked square at Romney and > smilingly told him to the effect > "I would certainly agree that YOU"RE the candidate of Change" > meaning that he changed his opinion on issues every time you looked > around. He did not look Romney squarely in the eye. He said it with a smirk while looking around. >> Remember a couple of weeks ago when McCain looked square at Romney and >> smilingly told him to the effect [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > He did not look Romney squarely in the eye. He said it with a smirk while > looking around. That's OK. He was sharing the joke with everyone else, who'd already noticed what Romney is. > > Remember a couple of weeks ago when McCain looked square at Romney and > > smilingly told him to the effect [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > He did not look Romney squarely in the eye. He said it with a smirk while > looking around. McCain is always smirking during the debates, like he thinks the other guys are total a.sholes. McCain is about 3 steps away from senile. Good luck rightwingnuts! > Another republican chickenhawk. Why do ypu republicans let these > elitist shitasses get away with this. Mittens never met an employee [quoted text clipped - 80 lines] > would it have been -- in hours -- before he was forced out of public > life forever? I never "longed" myself, but did volunteer because I was single. The AF sent me to Japan instead. That was a heck of an assignment. Romney apparently was just another one of those who spat on us back on those days. > Another republican chickenhawk. Why do ypu republicans let these > elitist shitasses get away with this. Mittens never met an employee [quoted text clipped - 80 lines] > would it have been -- in hours -- before he was forced out of public > life forever? Don't you DEMONrats EVER stop your f.cking whining? Grow up and GET A f.cking LIFE! > <edspyhil...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 93 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I'm guessing Romney was your choice? > > <edspyhil...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > Don't you DEMONrats EVER stop your f.cking whining? Grow up and GET A > > f.cking LIFE! > > > I'm guessing Romney was your choice? I'm guessing he took Cialis but has to party alone. <beerspill@whoever.com> "sharx35" wrote: > > <edspyhil...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > Don't you DEMONrats EVER stop your f.cking whining? Grow up and GET A > > f.cking LIFE! > > > I'm guessing Romney was your choice? I'm guessing he took Cialis but has to party alone. Beerspill Well, this thread is moot since Romney dropped out. Natalie Who does Romney think he is, John Kerry ;) |
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