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Car Forum / Toyota / Toyota Cars / February 20082005 Toyota Echo Brake Rotors?
Hey I'm Wondering if anyone can tell me roughly how many /km I can expect out of my OEM rotors? Im at about 130K and just wondering if thats about right, or whither my mechanic is ripping me off by not changing the pads sooner? and does anyone know where I can get a service manual, it appears Chilton and Haynes, doesn't have any echos at all... Thanks TroN > Hey I'm Wondering if anyone can tell me roughly how many /km I can > expect out of my OEM rotors? > > Im at about 130K and just wondering if thats about right, or whither > my mechanic is ripping me off by not changing the pads sooner? 130K what? feet? miles? kilometers? It's not uncommon for rotors to have to be replace after about 50,000 mi. He's not ripping you off by doing less service. How long they last depends on how you drive. > and does anyone know where I can get a service manual, it appears > Chilton and Haynes, doesn't have any echos at all... Did you try Toyota? > Thanks > TroN >> Hey I'm Wondering if anyone can tell me roughly how many /km I can >> expect out of my OEM rotors? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > 130K what? feet? miles? kilometers? Since he gives his request in kilometers, It should be fairly obvious to the average higher primate that he's expecting an answer in kilometers as well. Plus an IP trace of his posting address reveals he's in Ontario, Canada, probably in the Kitchener area. 130,000 kilometers is about 80,000 miles. But OP does not state YEARS, which is the determining factor in rust-ridden Southern Ontario, not miles. > It's not uncommon for rotors to have to be replace after about 50,000 > mi. He's not ripping you off by doing less service. > > How long they last depends on how you drive. And your driving environment. Southern Ontario rust is a phenomenon that must be seen to be believed. Rust is not auspicious for brake components. >> and does anyone know where I can get a service manual, it appears >> Chilton and Haynes, doesn't have any echos at all... > > Did you try Toyota? Indeed the only place. Other than eBay.  SignatureTegger > 130,000 kilometers is about 80,000 miles. But OP does not state YEARS, > which is the determining factor in rust-ridden Southern Ontario, not > miles. My mistake. He does indeed. His car is an '05. This means he's been driving on the same rotors for three years. That is a bit young for replacement, even factoring in Southern Ontario rust. I wonder if they're warped or badly scored? OP does not say what the ostensible reason was for replacement. SignatureTegger > >> Im at about 130K and just wondering if thats about right, or whither > >> my mechanic is ripping me off by not changing the pads sooner? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > the average higher primate that he's expecting an answer in kilometers as > well. I checked at the local zoo, and it wasn't obvious to most of them, and that was just the people visiting. >> >> Hey I'm Wondering if anyone can tell me roughly how many /km I can >> >> expect out of my OEM rotors? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I checked at the local zoo, and it wasn't obvious to most of them, and > that was just the people visiting. The higher primates you polled, were their knuckles dragging on the ground? SignatureTegger > >> >> Hey I'm Wondering if anyone can tell me roughly how many /km I can > >> >> expect out of my OEM rotors? [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > The higher primates you polled, were their knuckles dragging on the ground? Yes, many were business majors. How did you know? OTOH the chimps said, in sign language, that it definitely had to be kilometers. tdelaro...@gmail.com wrote: > and does anyone know where I can get a service manual, it appears > Chilton and Haynes, doesn't have any echos at all... This is for 2000-2003 Echos, but it should be close enough and at least as good as what's found in the crappy Chilton and Haynes manuals: http://pdftown.com/2000-2002-Toyota-Echo-Service-Manual.html For vehicles not covered by the above website, here's a place where you can access crappy AllData for free: http://search.ebscohost.com/login.aspx?authtype=url,uid (lib, access) Most libraries carry Mitchell manuals, at least the online version. Thanks everyone sorry bout the lack of info for those technical people... 2005 toyota echo 4 door hatch back 130 250 Kilometers, 80,933 Miles, 427,329,262 Feet automatic transmission no mods My driving habits I would say 50/50 highway / city, I do not ride my breaks and make few emergency stops... i do make many trips to north western ontario. more so my question was about the replacement or the pads prior to needing to replace the rotors... that is are pads and rotors usually replaced together. or can i expect to get a few pad life's out of a set of rotors? and toyota is a good idea, thanks... TroN tdelaro...@gmail.com wrote: > Hey I'm Wondering if anyone can tell me roughly how many /km I can > expect out of my OEM rotors? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Thanks > TroN > Thanks everyone > sorry bout the lack of info for those technical people... [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > and toyota is a good idea, thanks... > TroN You should get at least 40,000 miles (64,000 km) from a set of brake pads, and have to replace the rotors every other pad replacement. As far as the shop manual, if you need instructions on replacing pads, I can provide a few pointers. SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) >> Thanks everyone >> sorry bout the lack of info for those technical people... [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >As far as the shop manual, if you need instructions on replacing pads, I can >provide a few pointers. So far I've replaced pads twice in 220,000 miles and never done the rotors.... Of course I drive pretty conservatively....LOL Not slow, but conservatively on the brakes.... SignatureScott in Florida >>> Thanks everyone >>> sorry bout the lack of info for those technical people... [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Not slow, but conservatively on the brakes.... LOL! You must use the Japanese method of extending brake life - mash the accelerator and lay on the horn! SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) >>>> Thanks everyone >>>> sorry bout the lack of info for those technical people... [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >LOL! You must use the Japanese method of extending brake life - mash the >accelerator and lay on the horn! LOL...not the horn in my car.... Now if I put a horn out of a Caddy in my car...now that is a HORN. I just anticipate having to slow down and let off the gas. My little wagon has excellent engine braking. I also don't tailgate on the Interstate (or anywhere else). SignatureScott in Florida <snipped> >> So far I've replaced pads twice in 220,000 miles and never done the >>> rotors.... [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > I also don't tailgate on the Interstate (or anywhere else). I've always wanted an air horn in my cars, just can't find an OEM Toyota one yet! SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) "Ray O" ... > I've always wanted an air horn in my cars, just can't find an OEM Toyota > one yet! Why not add an aftermarket one? I actually have one that I plan on putting into the Prius once it gets warmer in the garage. Tomes > "Ray O" ... >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > putting into the Prius once it gets warmer in the garage. > Tomes I've thought about it, but the horn in the Sequoia and Lexus are actually pretty decent. The Lexus has an air suspension, so I've thought about tapping one of the air lines to provide air. I'd need some kind of canister for a reservoir and a one-way valve so the car doesn't become a low-rider whenever I use the horn. Since the horn is decent, it hasn't been high on my priority list, at least for the past 15 years or so ;-) SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) "Ray O" ... > "Tomes" ... >> "Ray O" ... [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > low-rider whenever I use the horn. Since the horn is decent, it hasn't > been high on my priority list, at least for the past 15 years or so ;-) Another way to go might be to just use an electric horn that sounds like an air horn. None of that extra stuff. I would like to hear it first tho before I put it in. Tomes > "Ray O" ... >> "Tomes" ... [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > before I put it in. > Tomes I'd want to hear it too! SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) >> "Ray O" ... >>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >whenever I use the horn. Since the horn is decent, it hasn't been high on >my priority list, at least for the past 15 years or so ;-) Trust me Ray, you don't want to do that. The built-in air compressor is a very low CFM output made to just pump up the air suspension and nothing more. Thing would take an hour to fill a tire. If you try running air horns off the suspension air system you will run that little compressor to death refilling a separate 2-gallon air receiver tank needed to run the horns for two good solid toots before they run out of air, and when you wear it out you can take a good guess what that compressor will cost to replace at a Dealer... To do it right, you need a 1/4 HP or better 12V compressor (100 PSI cutout minimum) and a 4-gallon or better receiver. The compressor alone will set you back between $75 (Harbor Freight 'disposable' ~1/4 HP) and $750 for a new Thomas or Gast 12V 1/2 HP oil-less piston compressor that will build air fast and last you many years - and is huge. 14x12x8 Then you need the receiver (~$100) the horns (~$100 - $300) pressure switch ($40) starter relay contactor ($40) the air lanyard valve, and hoses and hardware... --<< Bruce >>-- >>> "Ray O" ... >>>> [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > --<< Bruce >>-- I hadn't done the math yet, but I suspected that a practical air horn system would not be a simple or inexpensive undertaking! I guess I'll stick with the factory horns for now. SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) ><snipped> > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >I've always wanted an air horn in my cars, just can't find an OEM Toyota one >yet! I put one in my BMW when I lived in Europe. Wonderful 'tool'..... SignatureScott in Florida Now if I put a horn out of a Caddy in my car...now that is a HORN. I believe Caddys have 4 horns if its anything like my fathers 91 Deville, >> So far I've replaced pads twice in 220,000 miles and never done the >> rotors.... [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > LOL! You must use the Japanese method of extending brake life - mash the > accelerator and lay on the horn! RAY! Tellme you're not guilty of DWO!!!! >>> So far I've replaced pads twice in 220,000 miles and never done the >>> rotors.... [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > RAY! Tellme you're not guilty of DWO!!!! Nah, not since I moved away from the Boston area, where DWO was necessary to make decent time. SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) |
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