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Car Forum / Toyota / Toyota Cars / February 2008(OT:) HEY! Let's have two legal systems!!
This is from the UK. There are those who want to implemant Sharia Law for the Muslim citizens of the UK, who feel they meet a higher standard than the English do: Sharia law in UK is 'unavoidable' Dr Williams says Muslims should have a choice in legal disputes Dr Williams interview The Archbishop of Canterbury says the adoption of certain aspects of Sharia law in the UK "seems unavoidable". http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7232661.stm Looks like the UK has it's own problems with immigrants, and is considering bending to accomodate those who want to live in Britain, but don't really want to be incorporated into British society. Sound familiar, anyone? > This is from the UK. There are those who want to implemant Sharia Law for > the Muslim citizens of the UK, who feel they meet a higher standard than [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Sound familiar, anyone? C'mon Hachi! You and I have been around long enough to know when you start addressing previous wives as "plaintiff", we already have two legal systems. (Inserting my bite blocks now). >> This is from the UK. There are those who want to implemant Sharia Law >> for the Muslim citizens of the UK, who feel they meet a higher standard [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > addressing previous wives as "plaintiff", we already have two legal > systems. (Inserting my bite blocks now). BWAHAHAHAHA!!! Actually, I skated BOTH times!!! ;) > This is from the UK. There are those who want to implemant Sharia Law for > the Muslim citizens of the UK, who feel they meet a higher standard than [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Sound familiar, anyone? Yeah, it reminds me of some people in the US, like Muslims, Amish, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses and some Jews, who all of whom tend to stay separate in society. In addition, there is some countries in the Americas where the people who settled the countries just took over from the natives, like the United States and Canada. Jeff >> Looks like the UK has it's own problems with immigrants, and is >> considering bending to accomodate those who want to live in Britain, but [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > where the people who settled the countries just took over from the > natives, like the United States and Canada. I think we should give it back. Pack up everyone and move back to Europe or wherever you came from. You Canadians! Back to Britain/France! NOW, DAMMIT!!! Kiwis, and Aussies: ditto for you. C'mon. Get real. We're talking things that happened hundreds of years ago here. We have an established society. Fit in or head back from whence you came. > This is from the UK. There are those who want to implemant Sharia Law > for the Muslim citizens of the UK, who feel they meet a higher [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Sound familiar, anyone? The UK deserves what it gets with the invasion they have been allowing. Come to think of it, we deserve what we're getting with the invasion we've been allowing.....  Signature"I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying." ~ Oscar Wilde >> This is from the UK. There are those who want to implemant Sharia Law >> for the Muslim citizens of the UK, who feel they meet a higher [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Come to think of it, we deserve what we're getting with the invasion > we've been allowing..... There was an interesting story about Muslims in England on this weekend's Speaking of Faith(R) from American Public Radio (http://speakingoffaith.publicradio.org/). I really liked both this particular episode and the Speaking of Faith in general. One of the thngs Ed Husain (the gentleman being interviewed) said is that in America, Muslims are able to be both Americans and Muslims, but in Britain they have a hard time establishing British identity, something I did not realize when I wrote my prior comments. I really recommend both this episode and the show, in general. One of the cool things about show is that they let you hear the entire interview over the internet, not just the portions that were broadcast on the show. Jeff > > > This is from the UK. There are those who want to implemant Sharia > > > Law for the Muslim citizens of the UK, who feel they meet a higher [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Jeff The concept of assimilation into a culture you immigrate to seems to have become lost over the last twenty years. The British are experiencing it with the Moslems and we are experiencing it with the Mexicans. The forced choice of "Press 1 for English" is a tremendous insult to the established majority of the country. There is no reason I must do that when using the credit card machine at Food Lion or trying to call my insurance company. I have to call customers and fix their problems with the services my company provides. Quite often I reach someone who can't talk to me because they refuse to learn the official language of America. In some cases I am able to transfer them to the Spanish speaking group of representatives but most often their problems go unfixed. Signature"It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong." ~ Voltaire >> > > This is from the UK. There are those who want to implemant Sharia >> > > Law for the Muslim citizens of the UK, who feel they meet a higher [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > The forced choice of "Press 1 for English" is a tremendous insult to > the established majority of the country. Sounds like a very interesting survey. Cite, please. Airports (including many of ours) have multiple languages on their signs. You OK with that? > There is no reason I must do > that when using the credit card machine at Food Lion or trying to call > my insurance company. What a terrible effort that must be for you. Poor baby. > I have to call customers and fix their problems with the services my > company provides. Quite often I reach someone who can't talk to me > because they refuse to learn the official language of America. In some > cases I am able to transfer them to the Spanish speaking group of > representatives but most often their problems go unfixed. Good. They'll learn, or suffer. >> I have to call customers and fix their problems with the services my >> company provides. Quite often I reach someone who can't talk to me [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Good. They'll learn, or suffer. Right. My grandfather gave up speaking German when he came here because he wanted to be an American. I never heard him say "German-American". He was PROUD to be an American. Those woh aren't, the hyphenated residents of America, could always go back to the countries they're so proud of. Why come here in the first place if you don't want to be an American? >>> I have to call customers and fix their problems with the services my >>> company provides. Quite often I reach someone who can't talk to me [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > back to the countries they're so proud of. Why come here in the first > place if you don't want to be an American? In the case of African-Americans, and other groups of people including the slaves in America today, in many cases it has to do with people gathering them up, putting them on a ship (or airplane) and selling the people once they get here. I don't see anything wrong with being proud of one's heritage, such as German-Americans or Russian-Americans. My grandparents were proud to be American, too. Unfortunately, with the anti-German sentiment of the time, the great German language was never passed down from generation to generation. Unfortunately, same thing is true of people who families came from other countries, like those who came from Japan before the war (perhaps it had something to do with those illegal camps the US set up to detain American citizens of Japanese ancestry during WWII). Jeff >>>> I have to call customers and fix their problems with the services my >>>> company provides. Quite often I reach someone who can't talk to me [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Jeff My grandfather didn't WANT to speak German. He told my mom (his daughter-in-law) when he came here he came to be an American and wouldn't speak German any longer. He did keep up some German traditions, in his own home, and didn't foist his culture on the rest of the world. Anyone wants to come to America and be an American, fine. If you want to come here and try to foist your culture on the rest of us, please go home... >> Hachiroku ???? wrote: >>> [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > come here and try to foist your culture on the rest of us, please go > home... Your grandpa was a Nazi, like all Germans. Equivalent: All Muslims are terrorists. >>> Hachiroku ???? wrote: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > Equivalent: All Muslims are terrorists. Millions of Germans voted for the Nazis, when they still had elections. Later, millions of Germans CONTINUED to enable Hitler when they surely knew about the atrocities...anyone with a functioning radio knew what Hitler was doing. >> My grandfather didn't WANT to speak German. He told my mom (his >> daughter-in-law) when he came here he came to be an American and [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Equivalent: All Muslims are terrorists. My grandfather left Germany long before the Nazis were even thought of. Did I ever say all Muslims were terrorists? I will tell you this, however: most of the problems in the world right now are being caused by Muslims. Give a listen to the BBC and find out where the strifes in the world are, and discover they are caused by Muslims trying to flex their muscles. Can you say Darfour? Can you say Chad? Can you say Mogadishu? (Don't so it near my dog...she'll bark at you!) Pakistan? Afghanistan? India? The Phillipines? Almost every area in the world that is having any kind of issue, is being caused by Muslims forcing their ideals on others. so there. And people in the 50's and 60's thought the communists were bad. These guys make the communists look like a bunch of schoolboys Tp'ing the campus. >>> My grandfather didn't WANT to speak German. He told my mom (his >>> daughter-in-law) when he came here he came to be an American and [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > My grandfather left Germany long before the Nazis were even thought of. Yeah, but he stayed in touch with the old country. He was a Nazi symp till the day he died. Some Germans were Nazis. Therefore, all Germans were Nazis. >>>> My grandfather didn't WANT to speak German. He told my mom (his >>>> daughter-in-law) when he came here he came to be an American and [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Yeah, but he stayed in touch with the old country. He was a Nazi symp till > the day he died. Nope. The whole family came here. > Some Germans were Nazis. Therefore, all Germans were Nazis. Stretching again, Joe? >>>>> My grandfather didn't WANT to speak German. He told my mom (his >>>>> daughter-in-law) when he came here he came to be an American and [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Nope. The whole family came here. That's what they told you. >> Some Germans were Nazis. Therefore, all Germans were Nazis. > > Stretching again, Joe? No more so than when you generalize about Muslims. >>>>>> My grandfather didn't WANT to speak German. He told my mom (his >>>>>> daughter-in-law) when he came here he came to be an American and [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > No more so than when you generalize about Muslims. Or when the US government generalized about Japanese. >>>>>>> My grandfather didn't WANT to speak German. He told my mom (his >>>>>>> daughter-in-law) when he came here he came to be an American and [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Or when the US government generalized about Japanese. They didn't generalize. They just locked them up, even if they were US citizens. Jeff >> Or when the US government generalized about Japanese. > > They didn't generalize. They just locked them up, even if they were US > citizens. > > Jeff Well, according to JSB, it was because since Pearl Harbor was attacked by Japanese, then all Japanese were out to attack America. >>> Or when the US government generalized about Japanese. >> They didn't generalize. They just locked them up, even if they were US [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Well, according to JSB, it was because since Pearl Harbor was attacked by > Japanese, then all Japanese were out to attack America. Of course, all the German Americans were stellar citizens and were much less a threat to America. I mean, how can anyone from Germany be evil? >>>>>>> My grandfather didn't WANT to speak German. He told my mom (his >>>>>>> daughter-in-law) when he came here he came to be an American and [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Or when the US government generalized about Japanese. That's wrong, too. >>>>> Some Germans were Nazis. Therefore, all Germans were Nazis. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> > That's wrong, too. Oh. They just threw them in the Internment Camps for their own good. No wonder you never get fwapped by Natalie...you bob and weave far too well... >>>>>> Some Germans were Nazis. Therefore, all Germans were Nazis. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > No wonder you never get fwapped by Natalie...you bob and weave far too > well... I meant it was wrong what was done to the Japanese, you twit. > My grandparents were proud to be American, too. Unfortunately, with the > anti-German sentiment of the time, the great German language was never > passed down from generation to generation. My parents said they were treated better here when they spoke German instead of English, probably because they're Japanese, and it's funny to see Asians speak German. >> My grandparents were proud to be American, too. Unfortunately, with the >> anti-German sentiment of the time, the great German language was never [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > instead of English, probably because they're Japanese, and it's funny > to see Asians speak German. With a <fill in the blank> accent. > >> My grandparents were proud to be American, too. Unfortunately, with the > >> anti-German sentiment of the time, the great German language was never [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > With a <fill in the blank> accent. German accent for German, English (my mother) or American (my father) accent for English. >>>> My grandparents were proud to be American, too. Unfortunately, with the >>>> anti-German sentiment of the time, the great German language was never [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > German accent for German, English (my mother) or American (my father) > accent for English. It doesn't work that way, Joe. >> My grandparents were proud to be American, too. Unfortunately, with the >> anti-German sentiment of the time, the great German language was never [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > instead of English, probably because they're Japanese, and it's funny > to see Asians speak German. I know. When I was in Germany, the people at the Chinese restaurant spoke German. That was just weird. Jeff > My grandparents were proud to be American, too. Unfortunately, with the > anti-German sentiment of the time, the great German language was never [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I know. When I was in Germany, the people at the Chinese restaurant > spoke German. That was just weird. Not as wierd as my Japanese cousins who can speak Hebrew but aren't Jewish or Israeli. >> My grandparents were proud to be American, too. Unfortunately, with the >> anti-German sentiment of the time, the great German language was never [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Not as wierd as my Japanese cousins who can speak Hebrew but aren't > Jewish or Israeli. Why did they learn Hebrew? > >> My grandparents were proud to be American, too. Unfortunately, with the > >> anti-German sentiment of the time, the great German language was never [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Why did they learn Hebrew? Because they were exposed to it so much in Hebrew school. ;) During WWII, one of my aunts was in an acting company sent to China to perform shows for the Japanese army. While ther, she met many German Jewish refugees because the army didn't restrict those refugees, probably because they identified them much more as Germans (and therefore sympathetic toward Japan) than as Jews. Plus Judiasm wasn't a concept the Japanese understood before modern Israel was created (even now, many Japanese think all Jews are Israelis), although it seems they didn't view it negatively. Anyway, my aunt became friends with several of the refugees, especially a family who eventually reached Canada, and she maintained contact with them and decided it would be good for her children to be educated in the US, which was where she thought Toronto was located. Eventually, other family members sent their children to the same schools. >> >> My grandparents were proud to be American, too. Unfortunately, with >> >> the [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > where she thought Toronto was located. Eventually, other family > members sent their children to the same schools. Interesting! And, it's always handy to have an extra language around the house, to befuddle the kids. >>> My grandparents were proud to be American, too. Unfortunately, with the >>> anti-German sentiment of the time, the great German language was never [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Jeff If you're ever in Puerto Rico, try a Chinese restaurant if you run across one. Caribbean vegetables made by Chinese people speaking Spanish. ¿Que? > Right. My grandfather gave up speaking German when he came here because he > wanted to be an American. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > back to the countries they're so proud of. Why come here in the first > place if you don't want to be an American? But they're usually hyphenated by others, not by themselves, and I don't know any immigrants who aren't highly pro-America. > My grandfather gave up speaking German when he came here because he > wanted to be an American. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > back to the countries they're so proud of. Why come here in the first > place if you don't want to be an American? One of my uncles came here in the 1960s, joined the US army so he could fight in Vietnam, and then he went back to his homeland. He's still not an American. > Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > could fight in Vietnam, and then he went back to his homeland. He's > still not an American. This concept may give Hack a stroke. >> One of my uncles came here in the 1960s, joined the US army so he could >> fight in Vietnam, and then he went back to his homeland. He's still not >> an American. > > This concept may give Hack a stroke. See my response. No stroke today... >> My grandfather gave up speaking German when he came here because he >> wanted to be an American. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > fight in Vietnam, and then he went back to his homeland. He's still not > an American. Whoa. JoeSpareHeadroom could take a lesson or two from you! Of course, you are absolutely right. i know lots of people who were in the US miltary and never became citizens. But, your uncle had to be a resident, and I'm assuming he spoke English... > Those who aren't, the hyphenated residents of America, could always go > back to the countries they're so proud of. Why come here in the first [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > But, your uncle had to be a resident, and I'm assuming he spoke English.. He spoke English but never became a resident of the US. >> Those who aren't, the hyphenated residents of America, could always go >> back to the countries they're so proud of. Why come here in the first [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > He spoke English but never became a resident of the US. OK...I misspoke. He did have a Green Card, right? >> The forced choice of "Press 1 for English" is a tremendous insult to >> the established majority of the country. > > Sounds like a very interesting survey. Cite, please. Where did he say it was a survey? It's fact that English speaking residents ARE the established majority. I deem it quite an insult that the default for any recorded message, ATM, or any other menu isn't English. What's wrong with hearing a recording that starts out in English, then pauses and switches to Spanish saying, "To continue in Spanish, press 2." ? >>> The forced choice of "Press 1 for English" is a tremendous insult to >>> the established majority of the country. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > that starts out in English, then pauses and switches to Spanish saying, > "To continue in Spanish, press 2." ? He said "majority". That suggests a statistic. He said "country". That implies "people". A statistic requires more than a theory. It requires measurement. The measure whether people are insulted, you need a survey. What else would you like explained? As far as the linguistic issue, I find foreign languages fascinating. Sometimes I press the button to hear the Spanish. If others are terrified of sounds that are different, so be it. There are pussies everywhere. It's a plague. >>>> The forced choice of "Press 1 for English" is a tremendous insult to >>>> the established majority of the country. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > What else would you like explained? Something based in reality. You merely stretched the interpretation. Funny how I didn't think it meant a survey was required when it's common knowledge that English speakers consitute his "majority". Suggesting a statistic is only YOUR take. Have a look at the word "axiom" in the dictionary. That should satisfy your need. What else would you like explained? > As far as the linguistic issue, I find foreign languages fascinating. > Sometimes I press the button to hear the Spanish. If others are terrified of > sounds that are different, so be it. There are pussies everywhere. It's a > plague. A non sequitur at best. I too, having grown up in a tri-lingual household, find languages fascinating. I only cringe at lunatics wanting to unnecessarily change the status quo. >>>>> The forced choice of "Press 1 for English" is a tremendous insult to >>>>> the established majority of the country. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > household, find languages fascinating. I only cringe at lunatics wanting > to unnecessarily change the status quo. The idiot said that the majority of people in this country are insulted by having to press a button to choose a language. Do you agree with what he said? > The idiot said that the majority of people in this country are > insulted by having to press a button to choose a language. > > Do you agree with what he said? Maybe if you got away from your computer for a while and actually talked to people in real life you would find out I am correct. It won't take long for you to find out you are the true idiot when forced to associate with people in the risky world of face-to-face communication. Signature"When you're full of bull, keep your mouth shut." ~ Will Rogers >> The idiot said that the majority of people in this country are >> insulted by having to press a button to choose a language. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > to associate with people in the risky world of face-to-face > communication. How many people have you spoken to about this issue? What were your relationships with those people? >> A non sequitur at best. I too, having grown up in a tri-lingual >> household, find languages fascinating. I only cringe at lunatics wanting [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Do you agree with what he said? I agree with MY interpretation, i.e. that a majority of the U.S., being English speakers, feel insulted or at least inconvenienced by the system you describe. I've already posted an acceptable solution. A better one, IMO would be to completely eliminate the non-English menus. We're doing any immigrant no favor by the current system except ensuring their continued ignorance. For the record, it pisses me off to enter Home Depot, look up at the aisle banners and see Spanish below the English describing aisle contents. Neither of my parents spoke English when they legally immigated to North America. It was a matter of pride, the non-personal variety, to learn. >>> A non sequitur at best. I too, having grown up in a tri-lingual >>> household, find languages fascinating. I only cringe at lunatics [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > English speakers, feel insulted or at least inconvenienced by the system > you describe. You used the word "majority", which is a numerical concept. You need a formal survey to support numerical concepts. No survey, and you have no way to support what you have left: Opinions or guesses. > I've already posted an acceptable solution. A better one, IMO would be to > completely eliminate the non-English menus. We're doing any immigrant no [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Neither of my parents spoke English when they legally immigated to North > America. It was a matter of pride, the non-personal variety, to learn. Bilingual signs are a great way to learn. They're just like language vocabulary books, like the one I have for learning Spanish. > You used the word "majority", which is a numerical concept. You need a > formal survey to support numerical concepts. No survey, and you have no way [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Bilingual signs are a great way to learn. They're just like language > vocabulary books, like the one I have for learning Spanish. I'd agree with you, except the bilingual signs are becoming ubiquitous in Kalifornia. They've become a crutch among Hispanics which now are nearly a plurality in the state. Your area has less than 14% Hispanics. I'd venture a guess that most are not illegal, though even if they were your government's financial burdens nowhere near approach the taxpayer burden here. I hope you don't find out the hard way just how serious this is. >> You used the word "majority", which is a numerical concept. You need a >> formal survey to support numerical concepts. No survey, and you have no [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > nowhere near approach the taxpayer burden here. I hope you don't find out > the hard way just how serious this is. This will take just under 4 minutes to listen to: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=16981143 The undersheriff summed up the situation nicely. Apparently, things are different here than in California. >> Your area has less than 14% Hispanics. I'd venture a guess that most are >> not illegal, though even if they were your government's financial burdens [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > The undersheriff summed up the situation nicely. Apparently, things are > different here than in California. For the moment. The more appeasement, the more violators. The undersheriff merely pointed out the obvious to anyone living here. Both my wife and sister-in-law have been involved in car accidents, the latter two of them, which had the Hispanic drivers flee the scene. None of the three were ever caught. I don't need to point out just who gets to pay increased premiums due to this nonsense. Illegals with licenses don't necessarily carry insurance. Hell, even legal Hispanics here, with insurance, are the minority. >>> Your area has less than 14% Hispanics. I'd venture a guess that most >>> are [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > For the moment. The more appeasement, the more violators. The > undersheriff merely pointed out the obvious to anyone living here. The obvious being that illegals cause no more or less trouble than natives? > Both my wife and sister-in-law have been involved in car accidents, the > latter two of them, which had the Hispanic drivers flee the scene. None [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Illegals with licenses don't necessarily carry insurance. Hell, even > legal Hispanics here, with insurance, are the minority. >>> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=16981143 >>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > The obvious being that illegals cause no more or less trouble than natives? He used the term, "illegal drivers". Illegal drivers are illegal drivers. It matters not within the term if that person has NO license or a suspended license. That the undersheriff failed to see his self-contradiction, to me, was merely his pandering. Obvious. If you want to test you unproven theory, have a look at the prison population within states experiencing illegal alien influx. Also look at the stats detailing the cost to taxpayers across the country in the form of violent crime. Get back to me on that one. Even the leftist city government in Los Angeles freely admit that a small minority of Hispanics in their city/county carry insurance0 ignoring the fact, much like the woman interviews in the NPR link, that driving is not a right. It's a privilege granted by each state, and carries with it certain responsibilities to others on the road. Don't like it? Leave...or don't drive. >>>> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=16981143 >>>> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Don't like it? Leave...or don't drive. In California, I wonder if illegals are more trouble in cities than in rural agricultural areas. It makes sense that they would be, but you never know. In any case, they're here because of demand. I once asked my son and three of his friends if they'd be OK with harvesting cabbage for the same hourly rate they were being paid at their various other jobs. They looked at me like I was out of my mind. That's a real problem. >> If you want to test you unproven theory, have a look at the prison >> population within states experiencing illegal alien influx. Also look at [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > In California, I wonder if illegals are more trouble in cities than in rural > agricultural areas. It makes sense that they would be, but you never know. I truly think that's the case. Apathy among those who don't seem to appreciate the severity of troubles seems to be more common in rural areas. They don't experience it, so it doesn't exist. > In any case, they're here because of demand. I once asked my son and three > of his friends if they'd be OK with harvesting cabbage for the same hourly > rate they were being paid at their various other jobs. They looked at me > like I was out of my mind. That's a real problem. I'd pay triple or more for a head of cabbage knowing my tax dollars weren't being pissed away elsewhere. It'd be a bargain. >I'd pay triple or more for a head of cabbage knowing my tax dollars >weren't being pissed away elsewhere. It'd be a bargain. Then pay the money you owe me, fool.... SignatureScott in Florida > >I'd pay triple or more for a head of cabbage knowing my tax dollars > >weren't being pissed away elsewhere. It'd be a bargain. > > Then pay the money you owe me, fool.... Watch it, or you could end up with a yard full of cabbage. >> >I'd pay triple or more for a head of cabbage knowing my tax dollars >> >weren't being pissed away elsewhere. It'd be a bargain. >> >> Then pay the money you owe me, fool.... > > Watch it, or you could end up with a yard full of cabbage. I thought you didn't like cabbage? > >> >I'd pay triple or more for a head of cabbage knowing my tax dollars > >> >weren't being pissed away elsewhere. It'd be a bargain. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I thought you didn't like cabbage? That's why it won't end up in my yard. >>> If you want to test you unproven theory, have a look at the prison >>> population within states experiencing illegal alien influx. Also look [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > appreciate the severity of troubles seems to be more common in rural > areas. They don't experience it, so it doesn't exist. Maybe the problems don't exist in all rural areas. That's why I don't presume to know anything at all about agricultural communities in California. >> In any case, they're here because of demand. I once asked my son and >> three [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I'd pay triple or more for a head of cabbage knowing my tax dollars > weren't being pissed away elsewhere. It'd be a bargain. Yeah, but it would be disastrous for people already having trouble affording decent food. By the way, a lot of illegals here are working for the standard minimum wage. Still, nobody else wants their jobs. >>> In California, I wonder if illegals are more trouble in cities than in >>> rural [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > presume to know anything at all about agricultural communities in > California. Don't make the mistake of confining this problem to agricultural areas. The illegal problem is far more dangerous, seriously dangerous, in non-ag areas. Any large SoCal city, particularly at or south of L.A., has them on a few street corners waiting to be picked up for work. >> I'd pay triple or more for a head of cabbage knowing my tax dollars >> weren't being pissed away elsewhere. It'd be a bargain. > > Yeah, but it would be disastrous for people already having trouble affording > decent food. By the way, a lot of illegals here are working for the standard > minimum wage. Still, nobody else wants their jobs. What's the solution, then? Keep selling off our country one community at a time for cheap cabbage? >>>> In California, I wonder if illegals are more trouble in cities than in >>>> rural [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > What's the solution, then? Keep selling off our country one community at > a time for cheap cabbage? Frankly, I've never heard a good solution. Bill Clinton once suggested making it mandatory for all young people to spend some time doing the jobs nobody wants, like picking produce, cleaning hotel rooms, and doing menial restaurant kitchen work. In return, give them some sort of financial reward they can use only for tuition. It's still an interesting idea if someone could make it work. In another newgroup last year, some idiot said there were machines which could replace all human hands for the harvesting process. The idiot couldn't explain why farmers didn't already have these mysterious machines, though. I got curious and emailed International Harvester with some questions. I got the response that any sane person would've expected: "We would love to invent more machines and make more money, but some crops just can't be handled by machines yet. Maybe someday, robotics will hold the answer." >> What's the solution, then? Keep selling off our country one community at >> a time for cheap cabbage? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > they can use only for tuition. It's still an interesting idea if someone > could make it work. Here's one suggestion. No one, I mean no one, who immigrates to the U.S. should be able to get any kind of public assistance for a five year minimum unless for humanitarian reasons related to political persecution or a serious medical problem. No one gets any assistance ever if they cannot prove legal status. Those here illegally should be required to do public works such as highway work at minimum wage for five years to obtain a green card. Those not wanting to pay their way, so to speak, get deported. > In another newgroup last year, some idiot said there were machines which > could replace all human hands for the harvesting process. The idiot couldn't [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > invent more machines and make more money, but some crops just can't be > handled by machines yet. Maybe someday, robotics will hold the answer." Every group has its idiot. We even have a few demented ones here, living outside of reality. Imagine, if you will, waiting for some fantasy, nonsensical, tongue-in-cheek bet to be paid so as to be able to afford your roof repair. Funny, but pathetic. Idiots abound. >>> What's the solution, then? Keep selling off our country one community >>> at [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Funny, but pathetic. Idiots abound. Illegals here are doing something much more difficult than highway work: Harvesting food. And, as people who know what they're talking about have pointed out, they blend into the rural communities quite nicely. Until they can be replaced with legal workers, nothing will change. >> Every group has its idiot. We even have a few demented ones here, living >> outside of reality. Imagine, if you will, waiting for some fantasy, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > pointed out, they blend into the rural communities quite nicely. Until they > can be replaced with legal workers, nothing will change. Someone there who "knew what they're talking about" only knows in his community. He can't possibly understand the crime we see here. Since he doesn't, it doesn't "exist", remember? >>> Every group has its idiot. We even have a few demented ones here, >>> living [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Since he doesn't, it doesn't "exist", remember? I think we are agreeing that what goes on in your community is not the same as what goes on in farm communities here. Illegals have been part of agriculture here since I first became aware of them in the 1960s. The community described in that NPR story is 90 minutes east of here. The same situation exists in quite a few other places around this part of the state. California is likely to be different simply due to its proximity to Mexico. You seem to have a big problem with a criminal element. We attract people who want to work and blend in. If they spend their nights hatching illegal plots to rape and pillage, they will end up being arrested and deported. It's in their best interests to behave. > I think we are agreeing that what goes on in your community is not the same > as what goes on in farm communities here. Illegals have been part of [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > plots to rape and pillage, they will end up being arrested and deported. > It's in their best interests to behave. If that were only true here, we'd not even be having this exchange. >> I think we are agreeing that what goes on in your community is not the >> same [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > If that were only true here, we'd not even be having this exchange. So, shoot 'em. :-) >>> California is likely to be different simply due to its proximity to >>> Mexico. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > So, shoot 'em. :-) My son semi-jokingly suggested we forget the Fence. Rather, infrared sensor-triggered M60s on tall platforms would suffice. >>> What's the solution, then? Keep selling off our country one >>> community at [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > obtain a green card. Those not wanting to pay their way, so to speak, > get deported. What about those who come here with needed skills or abilities that are in short supply, like software engineers or scientific skills, medical skills or the willingness to pick our fruits and vegetables for less than minimum wage so that they can make a better life for their kids? >> In another newgroup last year, some idiot said there were machines which >> could replace all human hands for the harvesting process. The idiot [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Funny, but pathetic. Idiots abound. >>>> What's the solution, then? Keep selling off our country one community at >>>> a time for cheap cabbage? [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > skills or the willingness to pick our fruits and vegetables for less > than minimum wage so that they can make a better life for their kids? If they were in demand, they'd be employed by corporations, and have no need for public assistance. Pretty obvious. >>>>> What's the solution, then? Keep selling off our country one community >>>>> at [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > If they were in demand, they'd be employed by corporations, and have no > need for public assistance. Pretty obvious. Not necessarily. >>> What about those who come here with needed skills or abilities that are >>> in short supply, like software engineers or scientific skills, medical [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Not necessarily. Really? Explain. >>>> What about those who come here with needed skills or abilities that are >>>> in short supply, like software engineers or scientific skills, medical [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Really? Explain. Not all skills are in demand only by corporations. >>>>> What about those who come here with needed skills or abilities that are >>>>> in short supply, like software engineers or scientific skills, medical [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Not all skills are in demand only by corporations. Picking nits? I'll explain...and type vvveeerrrryyy slllloooowwwwlllllllyyyyy. Corporations can also mean small businesses, in the context of this thread. IF such people are in demand, then the jobs are here, right? IF they're in such demand, they have a job, and have no need of benefits. > > In any case, they're here because of demand. I once asked my son and three > > of his friends if they'd be OK with harvesting cabbage for the same hourly [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I'd pay triple or more for a head of cabbage knowing my tax dollars > weren't being pissed away elsewhere. So would I, but I hate cabbage. >> > In any case, they're here because of demand. I once asked my son and >> > three of his friends if they'd be OK with harvesting cabbage for the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > So would I, but I hate cabbage. No, man! It's good steamed with butter and salt,or salt and vinegar! >>>> In any case, they're here because of demand. I once asked my son and >>>> three of his friends if they'd be OK with harvesting cabbage for the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > No, man! It's good steamed with butter and salt,or salt and vinegar! Stuffed, with brown rice and ground sirloin. Lots of vinegar and lemon. >>>>> In any case, they're here because of demand. I once asked my son and >>>>> three of his friends if they'd be OK with harvesting cabbage for the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Stuffed, with brown rice and ground sirloin. Lots of vinegar and lemon. Ja, dot too... >> For the moment. The more appeasement, the more violators. The >> undersheriff merely pointed out the obvious to anyone living here. > > The obvious being that illegals cause no more or less trouble than > natives? BZZZZT! Wrong! >>> For the moment. The more appeasement, the more violators. The >>> undersheriff merely pointed out the obvious to anyone living here. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > BZZZZT! Wrong! What do you mean, if anything? >>>> For the moment. The more appeasement, the more violators. The >>>> undersheriff merely pointed out the obvious to anyone living here. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > What do you mean, if anything? Guess where you live the illegals are well behaved. Here they're responsible for most of the murders and violent crime... >>>>> For the moment. The more appeasement, the more violators. The >>>>> undersheriff merely pointed out the obvious to anyone living here. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Guess where you live the illegals are well behaved. Here they're > responsible for most of the murders and violent crime... Not here. But, you are the reigning queen of generalizations, so I guess your exceptions are the rule everywhere. Even places you know nothing about. >> Guess where you live the illegals are well behaved. Here they're >> responsible for most of the murders and violent crime... > > Not here. But, you are the reigning queen of generalizations, so I guess > your exceptions are the rule everywhere. Even places you know nothing > about. Guess I don't really care. I know around here they cause most of the problams, that's good enough for me. >>>> A non sequitur at best. I too, having grown up in a tri-lingual >>>> household, find languages fascinating. I only cringe at lunatics [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > Bilingual signs are a great way to learn. They're just like language > vocabulary books, like the one I have for learning Spanish. There are some things where I could look at the Spanish 'interpretation' and know just what it means, it's so close to English. Next time you buy some car parts, look at the Spanish term. In a lot of cases, they're almost identical. You mean to tell me, someone couldn't figure out from the English description what it is? >>>>> A non sequitur at best. I too, having grown up in a tri-lingual >>>>> household, find languages fascinating. I only cringe at lunatics [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > almost identical. You mean to tell me, someone couldn't figure out from > the English description what it is? That's because some Spanish words were derived from the English. Guess what the Spanish word is for "pickup", as in truck. >>>>> A non sequitur at best. I too, having grown up in a tri-lingual >>>>> household, find languages fascinating. I only cringe at lunatics [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > almost identical. You mean to tell me, someone couldn't figure out from > the English description what it is? In science and engineering, a lot of the technical terms come directly from the English. In fact, English has been called the "lingua franka" of science. A lot of science graduate programs in Asia and mainland Europe are English programs, because English is so commonly used. I would think this is the reason why engineering terms are also so similar to the English. Jeff >>>>>> A non sequitur at best. I too, having grown up in a tri-lingual >>>>>> household, find languages fascinating. I only cringe at lunatics [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > Jeff Then why put both languages on the box? >>>>>>> A non sequitur at best. I too, having grown up in a tri-lingual >>>>>>> household, find languages fascinating. I only cringe at lunatics [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > Then why put both languages on the box? I was explaining why the technical words in Spanish and many other languages are English words. I would image that not all words were the same in Spanish and English, and there were places were the English and Spanish was not the same. > Hachiroku ???? wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > same in Spanish and English, and there were places were the English and > Spanish was not the same. Nobody told Hach that "old" Spanish is primarily derived from Latin and Arabic, but modern terms were borrowed from English because no Latin terms exists (for example) for "pickup truck". >> Hachiroku ???? wrote: >>> [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > Arabic, but modern terms were borrowed from English because no Latin terms > exists (for example) for "pickup truck". But there is a reason why the words were taken from the English rather than say the Russian or French. Probably the two biggest ones are the a lot of the engineering journal articles are published in English and the work is done in English speaking countries (like the US) and the fact that in Mexico, there is a large influence of English-speaking Americans, so that the Mexicans tend to pick up English words from the radio and TV shows. I realize that they speak Spanish in places outside the US and Mexico, but often Mexicans and those in the US speak a different dialect than they do in Spain and Argentina. Jeff Jeff >>> Hachiroku ???? wrote: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 83 lines] > > Jeff Yep. There are two ways to say "Get on the bus" in Spanish. I believe it's in Venezuela where one of them is a slang term for "to have sex with a child". I was advised by a Spanish tutor to forget both ways, and just call a taxi. >> I was explaining why the technical words in Spanish and many other >> languages are English words. I would image that not all words were the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Arabic, but modern terms were borrowed from English because no Latin terms > exists (for example) for "pickup truck". Nobody had to tell Hatch that. Hatch already knew it. >>>>>>>> A non sequitur at best. I too, having grown up in a tri-lingual >>>>>>>> household, find languages fascinating. I only cringe at lunatics [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > same in Spanish and English, and there were places were the English and > Spanish was not the same. I can see the instructionnes being in both, and I can't remember the exact part(s), but for example, if it says Thermostat on the box, why bother putting Thermostate? Couldn't they figure it out? >>>>>>>>> A non sequitur at best. I too, having grown up in a tri-lingual >>>>>>>>> household, find languages fascinating. I only cringe at lunatics [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > part(s), but for example, if it says Thermostat on the box, why bother > putting Thermostate? Couldn't they figure it out? Thermostate is clearly almost the same as Thermostat, but, similar words in Spanish and English can have different meanings, like library in French and English (In French it means bookstore - many of the first libraries were rental libraries, which is why in Philadelphia the library is called the Philadelphia Free Library). Anyway, but putting the words in both languages, they increase the likelihood that it's the right part. Jeff > In science and engineering, a lot of the technical terms come directly > from the English. In fact, English has been called the "lingua franka" > of science. A lot of science graduate programs in Asia and mainland > Europe are English programs, because English is so commonly used. The majority of Japanese scientific journals are published only in English. >> In science and engineering, a lot of the technical terms come directly >> from the English. In fact, English has been called the "lingua franka" [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > The majority of Japanese scientific journals are published only in > English. I remember looking a Asian-language scientific journal in the Asian language. About half the words were in Asian, but the technical words were English. It looked funny. That was mostly because of the the predominance of the US in science and engineering. Unfortunately, the spending on science by the us, that is the US gov't, is decreasing. So we're losing our science dominance, at the same time India, China and other Asian countries are increasing their investments in science. Jeff > There are some things where I could look at the Spanish 'interpretation' > and know just what it means, it's so close to English. Next time you buy > some car parts, look at the Spanish term. In a lot of cases, they're > almost identical. You mean to tell me, someone couldn't figure out from > the English description what it is? Don't even get me started. >> There are some things where I could look at the Spanish 'interpretation' >> and know just what it means, it's so close to English. Next time you buy [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Don't even get me started. If I were you, I'd pretend my computer was out of order before delving any further into this subject. I'm telling you this for your own good. >>> There are some things where I could look at the Spanish 'interpretation' >>> and know just what it means, it's so close to English. Next time you buy [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > If I were you, I'd pretend my computer was out of order before delving any > further into this subject. I'm telling you this for your own good. Why do you think I stated the last sentence above? >>>> There are some things where I could look at the Spanish >>>> 'interpretation' [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Why do you think I stated the last sentence above? Begging for help? :-) >>>> Don't even get me started. >>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Begging for help? :-) Nope. When it comes down to it, I really have earned the right to complain and explain. I choose to not do so at the moment. Suffice it to say, you haven't lived until you've shared rush hour with a freeway full of incompetent drivers. >>>>> Don't even get me started. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Suffice it to say, you haven't lived until you've shared rush hour with a > freeway full of incompetent drivers. Here, 99% of incompetent drivers fit one of three primary categories: 1) Asian women who can't see over the steering wheel and look terrified. 2) Very young women of all kinds, tailgating and talking on cell phones. 3) Dead/blind people who belong in nursing homes. >> Suffice it to say, you haven't lived until you've shared rush hour with a >> freeway full of incompetent drivers. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > 3) Dead/blind people who belong in nursing homes. On May 1, 2006, there was a nation-wide "boycott" of sorts. Illegals and Company (tm), stayed home to protest immigration policies, etc. I could NOT have asked for a better traffic day on local freeways and roads. It truly was one for the books. >> Nope. When it comes down to it, I really have earned the right to >> complain and explain. I choose to not do so at the moment. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > 1) Asian women who can't see over the steering wheel and look terrified. That wasn't my wife. Throttle was GO!!!!!! and brake was STOP!!!!!!!!!! I never made it from traffic light to traffic light so fast in my life... >>> As far as the linguistic issue, I find foreign languages fascinating. >>> Sometimes I press the button to hear the Spanish. If others are [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Do you agree with what he said? I like what Howie Carr says: "For English, please press one. For any other language, please leave the country." My father in law (or, ex F-I-L, as the case may be) doesn't speak a lot of English. Why isn't there a "Press 3 for Chinese"? Why cater to one group? Why friggin' cater to anybody? >>>> As far as the linguistic issue, I find foreign languages fascinating. >>>> Sometimes I press the button to hear the Spanish. If others are [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > English. Why isn't there a "Press 3 for Chinese"? Why cater to one group? > Why friggin' cater to anybody? There are a lot more people in the US who speak Spanish than Chinese. If you had a phone system that spoke every language, you would need at least 3 digits. jeff >>>>> As far as the linguistic issue, I find foreign languages fascinating. >>>>> Sometimes I press the button to hear the Spanish. If others are [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > jeff OK. >>>> As far as the linguistic issue, I find foreign languages fascinating. >>>> Sometimes I press the button to hear the Spanish. If others are [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > "For English, please press one. For any other language, please leave the > country." He has to say things like that to earn a living. > The idiot said that the majority of people in this country are insulted by > having to press a button to choose a language. I'm more insulted that the phone is answered by a machine rather than immediately by a live human being. >> The idiot said that the majority of people in this country are insulted by >> having to press a button to choose a language. > > I'm more insulted that the phone is answered by a machine rather than > immediately by a live human being. www.gethuman.com > >> The idiot said that the majority of people in this country are insulted by > >> having to press a button to choose a language. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > www.gethuman.com Thank you. >> The idiot said that the majority of people in this country are insulted >> by having to press a button to choose a language. > > I'm more insulted that the phone is answered by a machine rather than > immediately by a live human being. I think I like this guy!! Are you new here, or a lurker? I don't think I've seen your posts before...or at least for a while... > >> The idiot said that the majority of people in this country are insulted > >> by having to press a button to choose a language. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Are you new here, or a lurker? I don't think I've seen your posts > before...or at least for a while... lurk...lurk...lurk...peep...lurk...lurk.. >> I think I like this guy!! >> Are you new here, or a lurker? I don't think I've seen your posts >> before...or at least for a while... > > lurk...lurk...lurk...peep...lurk...lurk.. Uh-huh...thought so... >>>>> The forced choice of "Press 1 for English" is a tremendous insult to >>>>> the established majority of the country. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > household, find languages fascinating. I only cringe at lunatics wanting > to unnecessarily change the status quo. I'm sure that if one phones businesses in Spain that they have the option of speaking English. Not very often!!! > I'm sure that if one phones businesses in Spain that they have the option of > speaking English. Not very often!!! I don't remember any French, German, Dutch, Belgian, or Polish options when I visited England. >> As far as the linguistic issue, I find foreign languages fascinating. >> Sometimes I press the button to hear the Spanish. If others are [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > household, find languages fascinating. I only cringe at lunatics wanting > to unnecessarily change the status quo. wit, think who you're talking to! The status quo can't stand, for the good of the country! We need to bend to EVERY group that decides to come to America and change it inot what they want it to be! >>> As far as the linguistic issue, I find foreign languages fascinating. >>> Sometimes I press the button to hear the Spanish. If others are [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > of the country! We need to bend to EVERY group that decides to come to > America and change it inot what they want it to be! <sigh> I remember when America made sense. >>>> As far as the linguistic issue, I find foreign languages fascinating. >>>> Sometimes I press the button to hear the Spanish. If others are [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > <sigh> I remember when America made sense. When the waves are so big that you think they're going to knock you over, turn 90 degrees so they don't hit the broadest part of your body. A basic tenet of Tai Chi, and a lot of other things. >>>> This is from the UK. There are those who want to implemant Sharia >>>> Law for the Muslim citizens of the UK, who feel they meet a higher [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > experiencing it with the Moslems and we are experiencing it with the > Mexicans. My experience with the Mexicans and other Latino peoples is that they are hard-working people who want to have their kids lead better lives than they did. Sounds like their American counterparts. When people came from Europe, they lived in their own communities, went to their own churches and temples, their own schools and pretty much kept to themselves. In many communities today, there are Roman Catholic churches near each other. In the old days, the people who went to the neighboring churches were predominantly from different countries. > The forced choice of "Press 1 for English" is a tremendous insult to > the established majority of the country. What is the official language of the US? To me, it is not an insult at all. > There is no reason I must do > that when using the credit card machine at Food Lion or trying to call > my insurance company. Gee, the nerve of a grocery store trying to serve the people who actually buy their food or an insurance company trying to help its costumers. > I have to call customers and fix their problems with the services my > company provides. Quite often I reach someone who can't talk to me > because they refuse to learn the official language of America. Again, what is the official language of the US? Hint: there isn't one. > In some > cases I am able to transfer them to the Spanish speaking group of > representatives but most often their problems go unfixed. A smart person would see this as an opportunity to help his company and grow personally by learning a new language. Jeff > Quite often I reach someone who can't talk to me > because they refuse to learn the official language of America. Sorry, BGM, there is NO official language in America. It has never been defined wither by the Founding Fathers or Congress... a sad failure on our part... Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B, 2/9/2008,3:11:53 PM, wrote: > > Quite often I reach someone who can't talk to me > > because they refuse to learn the official language of America. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > a sad failure on our part... Well, maybe not on the federal level and that's only because we have several different states that do. According to U.S. English, the following states have existing official language laws on their books: Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Louisiana, Massachusetts, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, North Carolina, North Dakota, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, Virginia, Wyoming. http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_lang.html Signature"Progress might have been all right once, but it has gone on too long." ~ Ogden Nash > Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B, 2/9/2008,3:11:53 PM, wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Tennessee, Utah, Virginia, Wyoming. > http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_lang.html How pathetic that you and the rest of the 54% (who enacted "official language" laws) are so afraid of sounds that are different. Do your children know how pathetic you are? Ireland: English (official) is the language generally used, Irish (Gaelic or Gaeilge) (official) spoken mainly in areas located along the western seaboard Russia: Russian, many minority languages Mexico: Spanish, various Mayan, Nahuatl, and other regional indigenous languages Switzerland: German (official) 63.7%, French (official) 20.4%, Italian (official) 6.5%, Serbo-Croatian 1.5%, Albanian 1.3%, Portuguese 1.2%, Spanish 1.1%, English 1%, Romansch (official) 0.5%, other 2.8% (2000 census). note: German, French, Italian, and Romansch are all national and official languages France: French 100%, rapidly declining regional dialects and languages (Provencal, Breton, Alsatian, Corsican, Catalan, Basque, Flemish), overseas departments: French, Creole patois Spain: Castilian Spanish (official) 74%, Catalan 17%, Galician 7%, Basque 2%, are official regionally Isn't this fun? China: Standard Chinese or Mandarin (Putonghua, based on the Beijing dialect), Yue (Cantonese), Wu (Shanghainese), Minbei (Fuzhou), Minnan (Hokkien-Taiwanese), Xiang, Gan, Hakka dialects, minority languages (see Ethnic groups entry) India: English enjoys associate status but is the most important language for national, political, and commercial communication; Hindi is the national language and primary tongue of 30% of the people; there are 21 other official languages: Assamese, Bengali, Bodo, Dogri, Gujarati, Kannada, Kashmiri, Konkani, Maithili, Malayalam, Manipuri, Marathi, Nepali, Oriya, Punjabi, Sanscrit, Santhali, Sindhi, Tamil, Telugu, and Urdu; Hindustani is a popular variant of Hindi/Urdu spoken widely throughout northern India but is not an official language Canada: English (official) 59.3%, French (official) 23.2%, other 17.5% Iran: Persian and Persian dialects 58%, Turkic and Turkic dialects 26%, Kurdish 9%, Luri 2%, Balochi 1%, Arabic 1%, Turkish 1%, other 2% Puerto Rico: Spanish, English Bermuda: English (official), Portuguese Argentina: Spanish (official), English, Italian, German, French Shall we continue listing all these scary sounds? > How pathetic that you and the rest of the 54% (who enacted "official > language" laws) are so afraid of sounds that are different. Do your [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Breton, Alsatian, Corsican, Catalan, Basque, Flemish), overseas > departments: French, Creole patois I find it amazing that would mention France as a country tolerant of diversity of languages. The French are Nazi's when it comes to language. The have outlawed (yes I mean "outlawed") many technical words such as email, etc that typically have American English origins because the originated in the US first. About 5 years ago, the French president was listening to a an address at the UN given by a French Minister. The French Minister gave the address in English, since it was the one language that everyone in the room knew. The French President stormed out of the meeting in protest and lambasted the French Minister for not giving the speech in French. >> How pathetic that you and the rest of the 54% (who enacted "official >> language" laws) are so afraid of sounds that are different. Do your [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > French President stormed out of the meeting in protest and lambasted the > French Minister for not giving the speech in French. WHOOOOOOOOOOOSH! > About 5 years ago, the French president was listening to a an address at the > UN given by a French Minister. The French Minister gave the address in > English, since it was the one language that everyone in the room knew. The > French President stormed out of the meeting in protest and lambasted the > French Minister for not giving the speech in French. I thought all diplomats knew French because it was the traditional language of diplomacy. My cousin had to know it for that reason. >> About 5 years ago, the French president was listening to a an address at >> the UN given by a French Minister. The French Minister gave the address [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I thought all diplomats knew French because it was the traditional > language of diplomacy. My cousin had to know it for that reason. It was, and they did. But that all has changed in the last 30 years. English is now the language of business/diplomacy. > > Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B, 2/9/2008,3:11:53 PM, wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 85 lines] > > Shall we continue listing all these scary sounds? Sure, it's good to see some of those countries have pride in their culture and don't kowtow to political correctness. It's good to see some of those countries actually care what language the majority of people use and have made it possible for them to communicate with each other. Signature"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodilehoping it will eat him last." ~ Winston Churchill >> According to U.S. English, the following states have existing official >> language laws on their books: Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, California, [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > 1%, Romansch (official) 0.5%, other 2.8% (2000 census). note: German, > French, Italian, and Romansch are all national and official languages USA: New English, spoken in the northeast states. Midwestern Twang: Spoken in the center part of the country Southern dialects: Duh. Even you should be able to figure this one out. General American: spoken in about 2/3 of the country. That's enough diversity for me. Anything else? Learn to speak one of these American dialects, and welcome to America. A good percentage of those that don't speak English are the illegals and the poor that come here from Puerto Rico. If you GO to Puerto Rico, andbody other than the dirt poor also speak Engliah. >>> According to U.S. English, the following states have existing official >>> language laws on their books: Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, California, [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > the poor that come here from Puerto Rico. If you GO to Puerto Rico, > andbody other than the dirt poor also speak Engliah. You seem OK with a president who needs crutches to speak English. >> USA: >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > You seem OK with a president who needs crutches to speak English. 1. When did I ever say that? Do you recall me ever saying I supported the President? Again, showing you don't pay particular attention to anything. 2. He's Texan. They're all 'different', anyway. >>> USA: >>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > 1. When did I ever say that? Do you recall me ever saying I supported the > President? Again, showing you don't pay particular attention to anything. OK - you got me there. Honestly. I was making an assumption > 2. He's Texan. They're all 'different', anyway. That's no excuse. >>>> USA: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > OK - you got me there. Honestly. I was making an assumption <<THUD!!!!!>> >> 2. He's Texan. They're all 'different', anyway. >> > That's no excuse. See Johnny Hageyama's response, and mine to him! ;) > > You seem OK with a president who needs crutches to speak English. > > 1. When did I ever say that? Do you recall me ever saying I supported the > President? Again, showing you don't pay particular attention to anything. > > 2. He's Texan. They're all 'different', anyway. Since when does slurred speech imply a Texas accent? > Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Since when does slurred speech imply a Texas accent? The slurred speech is most likely due to this: http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/Drugs/story?id=3985919&page=1 I'm not sure what explains things like "Is our children learning?", especially coming from someone who theoretically graduated from Yale. The ability to match singular and plural words should be instinctive by age 6 or 7, and shouldn't be easily disrupted even by inebriation. >> > You seem OK with a president who needs crutches to speak English. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Since when does slurred speech imply a Texas accent? LOL! I was thinking more of Nucular, myself, but point taken... >>> According to U.S. English, the following states have existing official >>> language laws on their books: Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, California, [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > That's enough diversity for me. Anything else? Learn to speak one of these > American dialects, and welcome to America. What about the languages that were spoken before Europeans invaded America? Should we preserve them? > A good percentage of those that don't speak English are the illegals and > the poor that come here from Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico is part of the US. > If you GO to Puerto Rico, > andbody other than the dirt poor also speak Engliah. What about all the business that American companies do overseas in countries that do not speak English? People passing down their rich cultural heritage, including languages other than English, is something that benefits everyone. I am proud of my cultural heritage, even if I am not proud of some things that both the country in which I live and the country from which most of my ancestors came. Jeff >What about all the business that American companies do overseas in >countries that do not speak English? P English is the international language of business. English is also the international language of Air Traffic Control. SignatureScott in Florida >>>> According to U.S. English, the following states have existing official >>>> language laws on their books: Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, California, [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > What about the languages that were spoken before Europeans invaded > America? Should we preserve them? Hmmmm...interesting. An Eskimo woman who was the last of her kind to speak a certain language dies a couple weeks ago, and there is no one left who knows the language. The language died with her. The problem here being, nobody WANTED to continue the language. If there is no reason to continue a language, why bother using it? >> A good percentage of those that don't speak English are the illegals and >> the poor that come here from Puerto Rico. > > Puerto Rico is part of the US. Yup. Sure is. But there are plenty there who don't speak English, usually the poor (or, believe it or not, the "Old Money" rich, who never felt a need to learn it). >> If you GO to Puerto Rico, >> andbody other than the dirt poor also speak Engliah. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > cultural heritage, including languages other than English, is something > that benefits everyone. That's a slight bit different. Stick with Apples here... > I am proud of my cultural heritage, even if I am not proud of some things > that both the country in which I live and the country from which most of > my ancestors came. Germany? Me either. But I don't speak German. I was born American, and I speak English. Just like all who aspire to be Americans should do. > Jeff >>>>> According to U.S. English, the following states have existing official >>>>> language laws on their books: Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, California, [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > The problem here being, nobody WANTED to continue the language. If there > is no reason to continue a language, why bother using it? It was part of the cultural hertitage of the Native Alaskans. >>> A good percentage of those that don't speak English are the illegals and >>> the poor that come here from Puerto Rico. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > That's a slight bit different. Stick with Apples here... Actually, I am. >> I am proud of my cultural heritage, even if I am not proud of some things >> that both the country in which I live and the country from which most of [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > But I don't speak German. I was born American, and I speak English. Just > like all who aspire to be Americans should do. And I wish I learned German when I was a kid. Unfortunately, it was not spoken at home (or my parents' homes). Jeff >> Jeff >> Germany? Me either. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Jeff Me either. If you followed my post to Joe, Grandpa stopped speaking German when he came here. >> Hachiroku ???? wrote: >>> [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > the poor (or, believe it or not, the "Old Money" rich, who never felt a > need to learn it). Actually, their young people speak English about as well as our young people speak whatever language they took in high school. There are exceptions in PR, just as there are exceptions here. > But I don't speak German. I was born American, and I speak English. Just > like all who aspire to be Americans should do. Second generation kids of immigrants usually speak English just fine, so your comment is irrelevant. >> Yup. Sure is. But there are plenty there who don't speak English, >> usually the poor (or, believe it or not, the "Old Money" rich, who never [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > people speak whatever language they took in high school. There are > exceptions in PR, just as there are exceptions here. Not all. I live in an area where there are lots of PRs that come here every year, and very few of them speak English. >> But I don't speak German. I was born American, and I speak English. Just >> like all who aspire to be Americans should do. > > Second generation kids of immigrants usually speak English just fine, so > your comment is irrelevant. Not always. What happens here is the kids learn Spanish from the parents, and in an effort to get them to study and pass in school, they are taught in Spanish. Doesn't do much good for melding them into American society, does it? >>> Yup. Sure is. But there are plenty there who don't speak English, >>> usually the poor (or, believe it or not, the "Old Money" rich, who never [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Not all. I live in an area where there are lots of PRs that come here > every year, and very few of them speak English. That's exactly what I said. >>> But I don't speak German. I was born American, and I speak English. Just >>> like all who aspire to be Americans should do. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > in Spanish. Doesn't do much good for melding them into American society, > does it? That's odd. I meet lots of young Hispanic people here, and many of them tell me they're the first generation in their family that learned little or no Spanish. In places like NYC, where the Spanish identity was never under attack from morons who are afraid of other languages, the Spanish tends to hang on longer in families. >> Not always. What happens here is the kids learn Spanish from the >> parents, and in an effort to get them to study and pass in school, they [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > under attack from morons who are afraid of other languages, the Spanish > tends to hang on longer in families. Let's see. Did I ever say I was *afraid* of other languages? Not that I can recall. Do I think anyone who wants to live in America and/or become an American should speak English? Yeah, that's a different story, isn't it? Why should *I* learn Spanish to communicate in my home country? Again, subtlety escapse you... >>> Not always. What happens here is the kids learn Spanish from the >>> parents, and in an effort to get them to study and pass in school, they [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Let's see. Did I ever say I was *afraid* of other languages? Not that I > can recall. You didn't have to say it. I just know these things. There's a very short list of reasons why some boys begin frothing at the mouth when this language subject comes up. None of the reasons are good ones. > Why should *I* learn Spanish to communicate in my home country? Give me two examples of situations where YOU have to learn Spanish to live in your home country. Be sure the examples are real, and not far-fetched. >>> That's odd. I meet lots of young Hispanic people here, and many of them >>> tell me they're the first generation in their family that learned [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > list of reasons why some boys begin frothing at the mouth when this > language subject comes up. None of the reasons are good ones. Because this is America, and America is based in English? Good enough for me. But I forget you Liberals feel a need to bend to every influence that comes along. Let's not make it too tough on them, and let's not offend anyone. So instead of a strong America, we have a splintered one. Nice going. I don't expect much more from Democrats. >> Why should *I* learn Spanish to communicate in my home country? > > Give me two examples of situations where YOU have to learn Spanish to > live in your home country. Be sure the examples are real, and not > far-fetched. To get a job, Wise-a.s. >>>> That's odd. I meet lots of young Hispanic people here, and many of them >>>> tell me they're the first generation in their family that learned [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > So instead of a strong America, we have a splintered one. Nice going. > I don't expect much more from Democrats. I'd venture a guess that people who are most bothered by the prevalence of Spanish are divorced, have no social life, and desperately need to get out of the house more. Have you considered contra or ballroom dancing? >>> Why should *I* learn Spanish to communicate in my home country? >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > To get a job, Wise-a.s. You (specifically) wanted to apply for a job which required that you speak Spanish? Please...tell me the job wasn't "Spanish tutor needed for 9th grade kid". What was the job you wanted to apply for? >>> Give me two examples of situations where YOU have to learn Spanish to >>> live in your home country. Be sure the examples are real, and not [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > What was the job you wanted to apply for? Customer Service, some Help Desk jobs, computer support in some places, yada, yada, yada... Most jobs in this area are listed Bi-Lingual or "Bi-Lingual a plus". Hey, I speak French. >>>> Give me two examples of situations where YOU have to learn Spanish to >>>> live in your home country. Be sure the examples are real, and not [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Hey, I speak French. Hell. I DO French. >>>>> Give me two examples of situations where YOU have to learn Spanish to >>>>> live in your home country. Be sure the examples are real, and not [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> > Hell. I DO French. I did Chinese... >>>> Give me two examples of situations where YOU have to learn Spanish to >>>> live in your home country. Be sure the examples are real, and not [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Hey, I speak French. Oh well. You weren't qualified. I'd like to move to Springfield and work for one of the gun manufacturers, but I'm not a machinist. >> Most jobs in this area are listed Bi-Lingual or "Bi-Lingual a plus". >> >> Hey, I speak French. >> > Oh well. You weren't qualified. I'd like to move to Springfield and work > for one of the gun manufacturers, but I'm not a machinist. S&W has planty of jobs. When I was working for GE I got recruited to go to work for Colt, but turned it down, 'cause I figured working for GE would be a lifelong thing. Go figure... >>> Most jobs in this area are listed Bi-Lingual or "Bi-Lingual a plus". >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > When I was working for GE I got recruited to go to work for Colt, but > turned it down, 'cause I figured working for GE would be a lifelong thing. Smith and Colt, along with Ruger, can kiss my gun-purchasing a.s. I'll never buy another due to their past attitudes toward civilian gun ownership and the politicians with which they slept. >>>> Most jobs in this area are listed Bi-Lingual or "Bi-Lingual a plus". >>>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > I'll never buy another due to their past attitudes toward civilian gun > ownership and the politicians with which they slept. That view has already been trashed as being stupid in rec.guns. It's history. >> Smith and Colt, along with Ruger, can kiss my gun-purchasing a.s. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > That view has already been trashed as being stupid in rec.guns. It's > history. Facts become diluted over time. You know that. They're free for the taking by using the search engine of your choice. S&W, after being taken over by a Brit company, did their best to turn their back on the civilian owner. Colt caved. Have a look at their web site. See what limited choices they give us. Bill Ruger slept with Clinton to have the mini-14 exempt from the so-called "assault weapon" ban. >>> Smith and Colt, along with Ruger, can kiss my gun-purchasing a.s. >>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Bill Ruger slept with Clinton to have the mini-14 exempt from the > so-called "assault weapon" ban. I'm guessing neither company has a budget like Microsoft, for fighting endless legal battles. > I'm guessing neither company has a budget like Microsoft, for fighting > endless legal battles. Colt's sales, as well as S&W's, are far below that of the '80s. S&W nearly went bankrupt, and Ruger is being kept afloat on old designs. Don't bite the hand that feeds you. The result of legal battles really was pre-determined. Success was as likely as would be the case for someone to sue Ford or Toyota for what happens when people drive drunk. >> I'm guessing neither company has a budget like Microsoft, for fighting >> endless legal battles. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > likely as would be the case for someone to sue Ford or Toyota for what > happens when people drive drunk. In the past 50 years, was Colt's product line ever dominated by items which were known (via sales figures) to be popular with individual shooters? > In the past 50 years, was Colt's product line ever dominated by items which > were known (via sales figures) to be popular with individual shooters? You're kidding me, right? The 1911 - still a staple among handgunners - Colt lost out on dominance to custom makers as well as losses from political pressure. The series 80 was a big mistake. The 70 was a near-perfect semi-auto. The Pocketlite .380 - a fine miniature 1911, with flawless function right out of the box. Manufacturing was stopped due to, again, caving to pressure from hoplophobes due to its size. Too easily concealed. The only gun that I used to own that I wish I'd never sold. The SAA - the gun that won the west - try getting one of these without a second mortgage, so to speak. The Python .357 magnum - probably the best quality .357 ever built. They also caved on the AR-15. Not enough fighting back like Ruger. >>>> Most jobs in this area are listed Bi-Lingual or "Bi-Lingual a plus". >>>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > I'll never buy another due to their past attitudes toward civilian gun > ownership and the politicians with which they slept. Hmmmm....perhaps Colt, but S&W has lots of displays around here at county fairs, open houses, etc... > Hmmmm....perhaps Colt, but S&W has lots of displays around here at county > fairs, open houses, etc... Now, perhaps. But check on their history during British ownership. Don't get me wrong, I think their revolvers are top-notch. Their autos leave something to be desired in the way of disassembly, however. I have no need of a revolver at present. If I ever change my mind, I'd at least look into a Smith after checking their current politics. >> Hmmmm....perhaps Colt, but S&W has lots of displays around here at county >> fairs, open houses, etc... [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I have no need of a revolver at present. If I ever change my mind, I'd at > least look into a Smith after checking their current politics. You really want to buy my model 25-2. Yes, you do. Just like this one: http://www.cabelas.com/gun-inventory---rogers---handgun---768053-25-rog.shtml But, mine's got a 4" barrel. Came with a spare 6" barrel that was never installed. I installed Hogue grips which look like the ones in that picture. Includes Bianchi Cyclone holster. $800.00. Even with hot loads, the kick is more of a dull whump than a hard snap like my .40 cal Kahr. Very easy to shoot. > You really want to buy my model 25-2. Yes, you do. Just like this one: > http://www.cabelas.com/gun-inventory---rogers---handgun---768053-25-rog.shtml [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Even with hot loads, the kick is more of a dull whump than a hard snap like > my .40 cal Kahr. Very easy to shoot. Nope. Only two Smiths warrant my attention. Three if I allow emotion to get the better of logic. 1. Model 19 .357 4" 2. Model 586 .357 4"- I used to own one. Deadly accurate. 3. Model 29 .44 mag 6" - If I get that emotion thing going. I also owned one of these. Deadly accurate with my handloads, but with brutal recoil. >>> Hmmmm....perhaps Colt, but S&W has lots of displays around here at >>> county fairs, open houses, etc... [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Even with hot loads, the kick is more of a dull whump than a hard snap > like my .40 cal Kahr. Very easy to shoot. *YOU* have a Nug?!?!?! >>>> Hmmmm....perhaps Colt, but S&W has lots of displays around here at >>>> county fairs, open houses, etc... [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > *YOU* have a Nug?!?!?! Wait...let me make some popcorn for this show. I'll be right back. OK. I'm ready. Let the comedy begin. >>>>> Hmmmm....perhaps Colt, but S&W has lots of displays around here at >>>>> county fairs, open houses, etc... [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > OK. I'm ready. Let the comedy begin. Did I call it a nug again? >>>>>> Hmmmm....perhaps Colt, but S&W has lots of displays around here at >>>>>> county fairs, open houses, etc... [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Did I call it a nug again? Why are you so surprised that I own guns? >>> Wait...let me make some popcorn for this show. I'll be right back. >>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Why are you so surprised that I own guns? Cause most Liberals don't They abhor guns and violence. >>>> Wait...let me make some popcorn for this show. I'll be right back. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Cause most Liberals don't They abhor guns and violence. I'm not a liberal. What makes you think I'm a liberal? >>>>> Wait...let me make some popcorn for this show. I'll be right back. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > I'm not a liberal. What makes you think I'm a liberal? The only thing I've seen that makes you not a Liberal is your stance on the Death sentance. >>>>>> Wait...let me make some popcorn for this show. I'll be right back. >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > The only thing I've seen that makes you not a Liberal is your stance on > the Death sentance. You just told me what DOESN'T make you think I'm a liberal. I asked you what DOES make you think I'm a liberal. I'll go make more popcorn, so it's ready when you post your response. >>>>>> Wait...let me make some popcorn for this show. I'll be right back. >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > The only thing I've seen that makes you not a Liberal is your stance on > the Death sentance. The Catholic Church is against the death sentence, too. The church is not usually considered a liberal organization. http://www.americancatholic.org/News/DeathPenalty/default.asp Jeff >I'm not a liberal. What makes you think I'm a liberal? ROFLMAO SignatureScott in Florida >>I'm not a liberal. What makes you think I'm a liberal? > > ROFLMAO I'm laughing so hard at that one, I damn near choked up lunch. Charles the Curmudgeon. >>>I'm not a liberal. What makes you think I'm a liberal? >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Charles the Curmudgeon. What hilarious is that you can't answer the question. Anyone who disagrees with you about ANYTHING is a liberal. > What hilarious is that you can't answer the question. Mysogyny is a full-time avocation. > Anyone who disagrees with you about ANYTHING is a liberal. By the definition provide by these nitwits, New Gingrich is a liberal. And the list of "liberals" among true conservative Republicans is growing daily in their frustration with Bush. > > There's a very short list of reasons why some boys > > begin frothing at the mouth when this language subject [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > So instead of a strong America, we have a splintered one. Nice going. > I don't expect much more from Democrats. I'm a liberal, I speak only English (no aptitude for foreign languages), and I think everybody in America who can learn the language should speak it in preference to other languages, but... > Why should *I* learn Spanish to communicate in my home country? You shouldn't when it comes to dealing with government employees, but private individuals are another matter. >> > There's a very short list of reasons why some boys begin frothing at >> > the mouth when this language subject comes up. None of the reasons are [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > You shouldn't when it comes to dealing with government employees, but > private individuals are another matter. I had a rough day. I'm really tired and I have to be up at 2AM. Remind me to tell you how you can learn any language you want. Or at least, be understood speaking the few words of another language that you might know! > > I speak only English (no aptitude for foreign languages), > I had a rough day. I'm really tired and I have to be up at 2AM. Remind me > to tell you how you can learn any language you want. I've tried all the modern methods of learning foreign languages, including being screamed at, held underwater (waterboarding alone didn't work), and forced to converse while tied up and given electric shocks. > Or at least, be understood speaking the few words of another language that > you might know! I know how to say, "I don't understand" in Japanese, which I've I've had to use several times in Tokyo when separated from my translators (relatives). >> > I speak only English (no aptitude for foreign languages), > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > being screamed at, held underwater (waterboarding alone didn't work), and > forced to converse while tied up and given electric shocks. The last one only works if the electrodes are attatched to your testes. :) >> Or at least, be understood speaking the few words of another language >> that you might know! > > I know how to say, "I don't understand" in Japanese, which I've I've had > to use several times in Tokyo when separated from my translators > (relatives). I'd say it in English with a Brit accent, just to fu@k 'em up! > Remind me to tell you how you can learn any language you want. > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > The last one only works if the electrodes are attatched to your testes. :) "No, it doesn't," I said, while cringing and crossing my legs. :( > Or at least, be understood speaking the few words of another language > that you might know! [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I'd say it in English with a Brit accent, just to fu@k 'em up! Sometimes when I'm in Tokyo, other English-speaking foreign tourists come up to me and ask something in Japanese from a phrase book. I usually get one of my relatives to speak with them, but one time I took out my own phrase book to figure out what they were saying, and I aske them, in English, "Would you please repeat that," and they did, in Japanese. Maybe they were just being polite. >> Remind me to tell you how you can learn any language you want. >> > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > English, "Would you please repeat that," and they did, in Japanese. Maybe > they were just being polite. Bwahahaha! Niiiiice! I went to Quebec once, and stopped for directions, and in my best French asked how to get to such and such. They looked at me and said in English; "We don't speak French." I said, in English, "Well, that makes it easier!" > > What about the languages that were spoken before Europeans invaded > > America? Should we preserve them? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > The problem here being, nobody WANTED to continue the language. If there > is no reason to continue a language, why bother using it? Because it may allow us to express certain concepts better (one reason foreign words are adopted) or improve our understand of human thinking. >> > What about the languages that were spoken before Europeans invaded >> > America? Should we preserve them? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Because it may allow us to express certain concepts better (one reason > foreign words are adopted) or improve our understand of human thinking. Hmmm...interesting point. Touche. However, no one, not her kids or anyone else took the time to learn the language from her. In other parts of the world they keep the old language going by telling stories in it. Very good concept. I actually think it was a shame to let an old language die like that. There was another language that died in the past 5-10 years, an old indian dialect that died with an old indian in California. > I have to call customers and fix their problems with the services my > company provides. Quite often I reach someone who can't talk to me > because they refuse to learn the official language of America. In my experience, most of those people are born in the US, to WASPs, and speak no foreign languages. >> I have to call customers and fix their problems with the services my >> company provides. Quite often I reach someone who can't talk to me >> because they refuse to learn the official language of America. > > In my experience, most of those people are born in the US, to WASPs, > and speak no foreign languages. Besides the obvious oversight of our illustrious public school system, the problem with us not speaking foreign languages is what? Imagine moving to Mexico and expecting them to speak English. Good luck with that. >>> I have to call customers and fix their problems with the services my >>> company provides. Quite often I reach someone who can't talk to me [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Imagine moving to Mexico and expecting them to speak English. Good luck > with that. No Habla... >>> I have to call customers and fix their problems with the services my >>> company provides. Quite often I reach someone who can't talk to me [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Besides the obvious oversight of our illustrious public school system, the > problem with us not speaking foreign languages is what? Other languages are interesting, unless you are brain dead. >>>> I have to call customers and fix their problems with the services my >>>> company provides. Quite often I reach someone who can't talk to me [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Other languages are interesting, unless you are brain dead. Agreed. >>>>> I have to call customers and fix their problems with the services my >>>>> company provides. Quite often I reach someone who can't talk to me [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Agreed. Excellent. It's 10:40 or so where you live. Still plenty of time to figure out something you can do that will be more successful than attempting to disagree with me. Maybe you could clean your bath tub. >>> Other languages are interesting, unless you are brain dead. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > out something you can do that will be more successful than attempting to > disagree with me. Maybe you could clean your bath tub. Why would I attempt to disagree with you when I've already successfully done so? >>>> Other languages are interesting, unless you are brain dead. >>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Why would I attempt to disagree with you when I've already successfully > done so? (he doesn't think so. Most disagreements with him go so far over his head, he just can't seem to understand when he's been had...) >>>> I have to call customers and fix their problems with the services my >>>> company provides. Quite often I reach someone who can't talk to me [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Other languages are interesting, unless you are brain dead. I like Japanese and Chinese myself. >>> This is from the UK. There are those who want to implemant Sharia Law >>> for the Muslim citizens of the UK, who feel they meet a higher [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Jeff I can't listen to the interview at the moment, but the theory makes perfect sense, except to Hach who has an odd need to not consider any ideas other than the ones he's stuck on. I don't think we can look at England and say we're next to have their problems. Why haven't we already had the same problems? Here (Rochester NY), we have a pretty big Islamic community, and I have never heard anyone complain about how they fit into the larger community. Maybe it's because many of them were attracted to this city for professional reasons and are connected with Kodak, Xerox, Rochester Institute of Technology, or the U of R and its affiliated teaching hospital. I might be different if most of the population was in a lower income bracket, but that tends to foment unrest in any category of people. >>>> This is from the UK. There are those who want to implemant Sharia Law >>>> for the Muslim citizens of the UK, who feel they meet a higher [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > different if most of the population was in a lower income bracket, but that > tends to foment unrest in any category of people. I have never had any problems with anyone because of their cultural heritage. I think Morgan Freeman said it well in the "Robin Hood: Prince of Theives" movie when a child asked "Why [did God paint you]?" and he replied, "Because Allah loves wondrous varieties." >> I really recommend both this episode and the show, in general. One of >> the cool things about show is that they let you hear the entire [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > England and say we're next to have their problems. Why haven't we already > had the same problems? We haven't? Two Muslim kids have Jell-o removed from the school menu...what about the other 1,000. And in the same school the mother took offense to the Christmas decorations, and down they came. And this is not the only example. There have been plenty over the past few years. http://www.howiecarr.com 3-7PM EST. But then again, what I just described isn't one system for the Muslims, and one for Americans. We're changing our system to accomodate the Muslims. The Mexicans. The Asians. The Africans. The Hindus. Yada. Yada. Yada. If they don't like it here, they can always GO BACK. My grandfather learned to speak English and didn't expect anyone to learn German for him. so there. >>> I really recommend both this episode and the show, in general. One of >>> the cool things about show is that they let you hear the entire [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > We haven't? Two Muslim kids have Jell-o removed from the school > menu...what about the other 1,000. If they don't like the food or their parents don't want them to eat it, they have them eat something else. > And in the same school the mother took > offense to the Christmas decorations, and down they came. I don't object to removing religious Christmas decorations (like the Nativity), I see nothing wrong with having secular decorations. > And this is not > the only example. There have been plenty over the past few years. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > But then again, what I just described isn't one system for the Muslims, > and one for Americans. We're changing our system to accomodate the Muslims. We have also changed the system to accommodate other groups, like show respect for Jews. > The Mexicans. > The Asians. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > If they don't like it here, they can always GO BACK. A lot of them are Americans. > My grandfather learned to speak English and didn't expect anyone to learn > German for him. Really? When my father was a kid, some people would let their kids play with him because his grandparents were German (that was between the World Wars). > so there. While I do totally agree with showing respect for people of all cultures, and our lives are richer for having people of different cultures in our lives, it is also respectful to allow others to celebrate both their religious and secular holidays. The Muslims do have strict laws about going into houses of worship of other religions, and having religious decorations would have been inappropraite, but as long as the Christmas decorations were secular (Christmas trees, Santa Claus and winter stuff, like sleighs), I see no harm in it. Likewise, if I were a teacher there, I would be tempted to put up a New Years Tree, which is a tree that is decorated with hanging balls and other ornaments, lights and maybe a star at the top. In fact, it would look a lot like a Christmas tree. Living in the world and showing respect to people other cultures goes both ways. Jeff >>>> I really recommend both this episode and the show, in general. One of >>>> the cool things about show is that they let you hear the entire [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > If they don't like the food or their parents don't want them to eat it, > they have them eat something else. Well, they simply removed Jell-O from the menu. Screw everyone else. It offended the Muslim mother... >> And in the same school the mother took offense to the Christmas >> decorations, and down they came. > > I don't object to removing religious Christmas decorations (like the > Nativity), I see nothing wrong with having secular decorations. They remeved the lights, the trees, etc etc. >> And this is not >> the only example. There have been plenty over the past few years. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > We have also changed the system to accommodate other groups, like show > respect for Jews. That's a bit different. For example, if you go to a government cafeteria, they have a menu for Muslims and a menu for the rest of the world. >> The Mexicans. >> The Asians. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > cultures in our lives, it is also respectful to allow others to > celebrate both their religious and secular holidays. That's not what it seems Muslims want. If they find it offensive, it must go. > The Muslims do have strict laws about going into houses of worship of > other religions, and having religious decorations would have been [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Living in the world and showing respect to people other cultures goes > both ways. Unless you're a Muslim, then anyone who is less religious (in the same fashion) as you is an Infidel. > Jeff > > I don't think we can look at England and say we're next to > > have their problems. Why haven't we already had the same problems? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > offense to the Christmas decorations, and down they came. And this is not > the only example. There have been plenty over the past few years. Or what about when the Phoenix city council voted to not put up Christmas decorations downtown, the only dissenter being the sole Jewish council member? >> > I don't think we can look at England and say we're next to have their >> > problems. Why haven't we already had the same problems? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > decorations downtown, the only dissenter being the sole Jewish council > member? Or the 'town council' in a Colorado town (a bucnh of people in the community) that got together and made up a set of guidelines for what people in the town could and could not put up: no creches, no santas, no colored lights. Acceptable was white lights, snowflakes and not a lot else. They presented it to the town, the real town counxil said, Nah, put up anything you like. That's the America I like. I'd even go along with a Koran under those circumstances... >>> I really recommend both this episode and the show, in general. One of >>> the cool things about show is that they let you hear the entire [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > offense to the Christmas decorations, and down they came. And this is not > the only example. There have been plenty over the past few years. If that happened in your school system, I guarantee you wouldn't make any effort at all to remedy the situation. You're too lazy. >> We haven't? Two Muslim kids have Jell-o removed from the school >> menu...what about the other 1,000. And in the same school the mother [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > If that happened in your school system, I guarantee you wouldn't make any > effort at all to remedy the situation. You're too lazy. Wanna bet? I made them stop using bananas and condoms in a FORTH grade class, and move it up to sixth grade. |
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