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{OT}  national popular vote

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badgolferman - 10 Feb 2008 21:39 GMT
I don't know why the leftists are worried about the Presidential race
this year so much that they want to change the way we vote.  They've
already got it locked up anyway.  Whoever wins they'll be getting a
liberal in the White House.  Maybe they are looking down the road to
2012 where they know all that will be necessary is to win CA, NY, TX,
FL, PA and maybe one or two more states.  There was a reason the
Founding Fathers made it difficult to make changes to the Constitution.
They wanted to make sure people really thought the process through
rather than act on their emotions.

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If John R. Koza gets his way, American voters will never again have to
wonder about the workings of the Electoral College and why it decides
who sits in the White House.

Koza is behind a push to have states circumvent the odd political math
of the Electoral College and ensure that the presidency always goes to
the winner of the popular vote.

Basically, states would promise to award their electoral votes to the
candidate with the most support nationwide, regardless of who carries
each particular state.

"We're just coming along and saying, 'Why not add up the votes of all
50 states and award the electoral votes to the 50-state winner?'" said
Koza, chairman of National Popular Vote Inc. "I think that the
candidate who gets the most votes should win the office."

The proposal is aimed at preventing a repeat of the 2000 election, when
Al Gore got the most votes nationwide but George W. Bush put together
enough victories in key states to win a majority in the Electoral
College and capture the White House.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080210/ap_on_el_ge/goodbye_electoral_colleg
e_2;_ylt=Ah3_NKps1TScvmvvEAS2qKsE1vAI

http://tinyurl.com/2vgzzm
Jeff - 10 Feb 2008 23:16 GMT
> I don't know why the leftists are worried about the Presidential race
> this year so much that they want to change the way we vote.

You mean the leftists want us to use charcoal or blood to write on ballots?

> They've
> already got it locked up anyway.

I thought the Democrats had it locked up in 2004. I wouldn't count out
the Republican candidate. At least McCain is a smart man who is able to
come to reasonable conclusions.

> Whoever wins they'll be getting a
> liberal in the White House.

In which case, America will win.

> Maybe they are looking down the road to
> 2012 where they know all that will be necessary is to win CA, NY, TX,
> FL, PA and maybe one or two more states.

It will be more than that.

> There was a reason the
> Founding Fathers made it difficult to make changes to the Constitution.

And this has what to do with needing only 7 states to win the election?

> They wanted to make sure people really thought the process through
> rather than act on their emotions.
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> Koza, chairman of National Popular Vote Inc. "I think that the
> candidate who gets the most votes should win the office."

I agree with this.

> The proposal is aimed at preventing a repeat of the 2000 election, when
> Al Gore got the most votes nationwide but George W. Bush put together
> enough victories in key states to win a majority in the Electoral
> College and capture the White House.

Not to mention in non key states, like ones with only 3 electoral votes.

In this case, the electoral college will still meet and elect the President.

To me, in a state like NJ or NY, where the Democrat is almost sure to
win, it seems like a waste of time for people to go and vote for the
Republican candidate. Likewise, an additional Democratic vote doesn't
matter. In these cases, the individual votes don't matter.

IMHO, having the popular vote determine who wins the election is the
proper way to go. I don't see why voters in some states should matter
more than voters in another state.

The reason why the founding fathers made the Electoral College was a
compromise that gave smaller states more say so that both big states
like Virginia and small states would be happy.

I don't think the historical reason makes sense.

BTW, if the way the popular vote laws are written, the only way the
states vote with the popular vote is if there are enough electoral votes
in the states that have the popular vote laws to carry the vote.

Jeff

> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080210/ap_on_el_ge/goodbye_electoral_colleg
> e_2;_ylt=Ah3_NKps1TScvmvvEAS2qKsE1vAI
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2vgzzm
Scott  in  Florida - 10 Feb 2008 23:36 GMT
>> Whoever wins they'll be getting a
>> liberal in the White House.
>
>In which case, America will win.

Tell us why....

What 'liberal' policies are good for anybody?

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edspyhill01@yahoo.com - 11 Feb 2008 03:53 GMT
> >> Whoever wins they'll be getting a
> >> liberal in the White House.
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>
>  Scott in Florida

Ending the Iraq war (Trillions of $$$$), single payer healthcare,
national standards for paper ballots, no more crazed religious
fundaMENTAList judicial appointments, pro-science administration - for
starters.
Scott  in  Florida - 11 Feb 2008 13:21 GMT
>> >> Whoever wins they'll be getting a
>> >> liberal in the White House.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>fundaMENTAList judicial appointments, pro-science administration - for
>starters.

ROFLMAO....

First you idiots have NOT ended the Iraq war.  We are winning.

Second single payer healthcare is a FAILURE everywhere it is tried.

National Standards....there are NONE!

No more crazed religious fundamentalist's?  How about Al Bore?

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Scott in Florida

witfal - 11 Feb 2008 13:51 GMT
> no more crazed religious fundaMENTAList judicial appointments...

Right.  I really want the SCOTUS manned with judges like Ginsberg.

Yeah, that's it.
 
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