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(OT:) Mike Huckabee on Meet the Press...

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Hachiroku ハチロク - 10 Feb 2008 23:50 GMT
just couldn't be ruffled by Tim Russert. Had an answer for everything,
never got flustered, and maintained his composure all along.

Then again, so did Dean a few years ago.
JoeSpareBedroom - 10 Feb 2008 23:54 GMT
> just couldn't be ruffled by Tim Russert. Had an answer for everything,
> never got flustered, and maintained his composure all along.
>
> Then again, so did Dean a few years ago.

Praise Jesus, and the world is only 6000 years old!

That's Huckabee, although he's keeping that part of himself under wraps
lately.
Hachiroku ハチロク - 11 Feb 2008 03:42 GMT
>> just couldn't be ruffled by Tim Russert. Had an answer for everything,
>> never got flustered, and maintained his composure all along.
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> That's Huckabee, although he's keeping that part of himself under wraps
> lately.

Hey. He held his own and was unflappable.
larry moe 'n curly - 11 Feb 2008 23:09 GMT
> Hey. He held his own and was unflappable.

But did he tell the truth while doing that, or does that not matter?
dbu - 11 Feb 2008 23:13 GMT
In article
<edaabb9a-a7fb-427f-8bea-23269c4d7db8@s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,

> Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B wrote:
>
> > Hey. He held his own and was unflappable.
>
> But did he tell the truth while doing that, or does that not matter?

I suppose you're going to say hillary tells the truth?
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JoeSpareBedroom - 11 Feb 2008 23:28 GMT
> In article
> <edaabb9a-a7fb-427f-8bea-23269c4d7db8@s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
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>
> I suppose you're going to say hillary tells the truth?

I suppose you are hallucinating. This is about Huckabee.
dbu - 11 Feb 2008 23:37 GMT
> > In article
> > <edaabb9a-a7fb-427f-8bea-23269c4d7db8@s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> I suppose you are hallucinating. This is about Huckabee.

I was talking about hillary.  Butt out.
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larry moe 'n curly - 12 Feb 2008 02:09 GMT
> > > In article
> > > <edaabb9a-a7fb-427f-8bea-23269c4d7db8@s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
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>
> I was talking about hillary.  Butt out.

I was talking about the subject of the thread.
Hachiroku ハチロク - 12 Feb 2008 03:19 GMT
>> > > In article
>> > > <edaabb9a-a7fb-427f-8bea-23269c4d7db8@s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
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>
> I was talking about the subject of the thread.

I believe so. If he hadn't been, Russert would have been all over it.
dbu - 12 Feb 2008 11:36 GMT
> >> > > In article
> >> > > <edaabb9a-a7fb-427f-8bea-23269c4d7db8@s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
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>
> I believe so. If he hadn't been, Russert would have been all over it.

jsb hates it when someone changes a minor point in a topic, but he does
it all the time.   I am convinced JSB is a two-faced son-of-a-gun.
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larry moe 'n curly - 13 Feb 2008 04:04 GMT
> Hey. He held his own and was unflappable.
>
>> But did he tell the truth while doing that, or does that not
>> matter?
>
> I believe so. If he hadn't been, Russert would have been all over it.

Russert is a tough interviewer only against people who answer all his
questions directly, something few politicians do.
witfal - 13 Feb 2008 04:16 GMT
>> Hey. He held his own and was unflappable.
>>
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> Russert is a tough interviewer only against people who answer all his
> questions directly, something few politicians do.

This softball throwing pansy impresses you?

LOL
larry moe 'n curly - 13 Feb 2008 04:45 GMT
> >> Hey. He held his own and was unflappable.
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> This softball throwing pansy impresses you?

Certainly not when he's fawning over McCain, but with other guests,
when Russert proves that they contradicted themselves, most guests
just talk their ways out by simply not addressing the proof.
witfal - 13 Feb 2008 06:34 GMT
>> This softball throwing pansy impresses you?
>
> Certainly not when he's fawning over McCain, but with other guests,
> when Russert proves that they contradicted themselves, most guests
> just talk their ways out by simply not addressing the proof.

Just when he's fawning over someone on the left, causing him to cream
his jeans.

Got it.
larry moe 'n curly - 12 Feb 2008 02:08 GMT
> In article
> <edaabb9a-a7fb-427f-8bea-23269c4d7db8@s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>  I suppose you're going to say hillary tells the truth?

I didn't mention her.  I asked about Huckabee, so was he truthful on
Meet the Press?
Mark A - 10 Feb 2008 23:58 GMT
> just couldn't be ruffled by Tim Russert. Had an answer for everything,
> never got flustered, and maintained his composure all along.
>
> Then again, so did Dean a few years ago.

He probably got all the questions in advance. McCain is the liberal's
nightmare. The Democrats know they can beat Huckabee (a former Baptist
Preacher), but are terrified of facing McCain in the general election.
badgolferman - 11 Feb 2008 02:56 GMT
> > just couldn't be ruffled by Tim Russert. Had an answer for
> > everything, never got flustered, and maintained his composure all
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Baptist Preacher), but are terrified of facing McCain in the general
> election.

Why?  Whether it's Obama, Clinton or McCain they'll still have one of
their own.

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JoeSpareBedroom - 11 Feb 2008 03:03 GMT
>> > just couldn't be ruffled by Tim Russert. Had an answer for
>> > everything, never got flustered, and maintained his composure all
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> Why?  Whether it's Obama, Clinton or McCain they'll still have one of
> their own.

Where did you read or hear that? Who told you to say it?
Hachiroku ハチロク - 11 Feb 2008 03:41 GMT
>>> > just couldn't be ruffled by Tim Russert. Had an answer for
>>> > everything, never got flustered, and maintained his composure all
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Where did you read or hear that? Who told you to say it?

Ever think maybe he formed his own opinion?
JoeSpareBedroom - 11 Feb 2008 03:45 GMT
>>>> > just couldn't be ruffled by Tim Russert. Had an answer for
>>>> > everything, never got flustered, and maintained his composure all
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Ever think maybe he formed his own opinion?

Not a chance. He's repeating what the pundits told him to say.
Hachiroku ハチロク - 12 Feb 2008 03:50 GMT
>> Ever think maybe he formed his own opinion?
>
> Not a chance. He's repeating what the pundits told him to say.

So, who pulls your string, Talking Tina?
witfal - 11 Feb 2008 04:22 GMT
>>>>> just couldn't be ruffled by Tim Russert. Had an answer for
>>>>> everything, never got flustered, and maintained his composure all
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>>>>
>>>> He probably got all the question ahead...

I doubt this completely.  All you have to do is watch the youtube
detailing how Huckabee sliced and diced Wolf Blitzer with no effort
whatsoever.

It was a work of art.
JoeSpareBedroom - 11 Feb 2008 04:24 GMT
>>>>>> just couldn't be ruffled by Tim Russert. Had an answer for
>>>>>> everything, never got flustered, and maintained his composure all
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> It was a work of art.

Even so, he thinks the world is only 6000 years old. You don't have to be
stupid to have delusions.
witfal - 11 Feb 2008 04:38 GMT
>>>>>> He probably got all the question ahead...
>>
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> Even so, he thinks the world is only 6000 years old. You don't have to be
> stupid to have delusions.

Just exactly, plus or minus a million, how old IS the world, Joe?
JoeSpareBedroom - 11 Feb 2008 04:41 GMT
>>>>>>> He probably got all the question ahead...
>>>
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>
> Just exactly, plus or minus a million, how old IS the world, Joe?

I didn't claim to know how old the world was. You will now disagree with
that statement.
witfal - 11 Feb 2008 04:47 GMT
>>>>>>>> He probably got all the question ahead...
>>>>
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> I didn't claim to know how old the world was. You will now disagree with
> that statement.

Why would I have asked the question if i though you did?  It was an
honest question.

You will now claim that I'm not telling the truth.
JoeSpareBedroom - 11 Feb 2008 04:52 GMT
>>>>>>>>> He probably got all the question ahead...
>>>>>
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>
> You will now claim that I'm not telling the truth.

I know it's older than non-scientist Huckabee claims. Since he can't
possibly support his claim scientifically, I think we have a pretty good
idea where his nonsense came from. Wanna go there?
witfal - 11 Feb 2008 05:07 GMT
>>>> Just exactly, plus or minus a million, how old IS the world, Joe?
>>>
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> possibly support his claim scientifically, I think we have a pretty good
> idea where his nonsense came from. Wanna go there?

I've never heard Huck say the earth was only 6,000 years old.  AAMOF,
when he blitzed Blitzter, he even said, "I don't know."

So the only difference between you and Huck is that you're both
weighted at opposite ends of the chronology.

If Biblical debate with me is your desire, you're quite out of your league.
JoeSpareBedroom - 11 Feb 2008 05:16 GMT
>>>>> Just exactly, plus or minus a million, how old IS the world, Joe?
>>>>
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> I've never heard Huck say the earth was only 6,000 years old.  AAMOF, when
> he blitzed Blitzter, he even said, "I don't know."

Of course. He had to leave the previous nonsense behind.

> So the only difference between you and Huck is that you're both weighted
> at opposite ends of the chronology.

All I know is that paleontologists discuss MUCH higher numbers than
non-scientist Huckabee. Certain types of people have a dangerous disdain for
science. That's not appropriate for a president. Thinking in extremes now,
aren't there people who refuse medical treatment, hoping god will handle
things? Someone like that would make a hell of a president. Imagine the
president addressing the nation after a major anthrax attack, telling us
he's not going to mobilize the appropriate assistance because god will
handle it.

> If Biblical debate with me is your desire, you're quite out of your
> league.

I know. I was going to ask if you knew of any religious information which
supported Huckabee's estimate (which he has been told to keep quiet about
because he's on a roll).
witfal - 11 Feb 2008 06:10 GMT
>> I've never heard Huck say the earth was only 6,000 years old.  AAMOF, when
>> he blitzed Blitzter, he even said, "I don't know."
>
> Of course. He had to leave the previous nonsense behind.

A wise man admits and corrects his error(s).

>> So the only difference between you and Huck is that you're both weighted
>> at opposite ends of the chronology.
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> he's not going to mobilize the appropriate assistance because god will
> handle it.

I don't think he has a disdain for science, though I'd not make that
claim for every evangelical.

>> If Biblical debate with me is your desire, you're quite out of your
>> league.
>
> I know. I was going to ask if you knew of any religious information which
> supported Huckabee's estimate (which he has been told to keep quiet about
> because he's on a roll).

All I can offer is my own take.  When some moronic Catholic priest set
the age of the earth at 6K years a few hundred years ago, he counted
"so-and-so begats" and multiplied them by 40, an accepted number of
years for a generation.  He used the total to "calculate" the earth's
age.

What he failed to consider is that only those people who are important
enough to bear mentioning are listed in the Bible.  An analogy would be
to say that your great-great-grandfather begat you, JSB, with no
mention made whatsoever of your ggf, gf, and father due to their not
being important in your family history.  Skews the priest's figures
easily.

Other than than, I'll say, "I don't know."
larry moe 'n curly - 12 Feb 2008 02:52 GMT
> >>>> Just exactly, plus or minus a million, how old IS the world, Joe?
> >>>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> I've never heard Huck say the earth was only 6,000 years old.  AAMOF,
> when he blitzed Blitzter, he even said, "I don't know."

But that's a typical disingenous answer, the kind we get from almost
all politicians, including every current presidential candidate.  Even
Ron Paul fudged on this -- not as much as the others (at least he came
right out and said he didn't believe in evolution), but he still
resorted to the common "nobody really knows for sure" excuse.  It's
too bad that religious cults have so much power to supress reason.

> So the only difference between you and Huck is that you're both
> weighted at opposite ends of the chronology.
>
> If Biblical debate with me is your desire, you're quite out of your league.
witfal - 12 Feb 2008 04:26 GMT
>> I've never heard Huck say the earth was only 6,000 years old.  AAMOF,
>> when he blitzed Blitzter, he even said, "I don't know."
>
> But that's a typical disingenous answer, the kind we get from almost
> all politicians, including every current presidential candidate.

And any honest scientist.  So sorry.
JoeSpareBedroom - 12 Feb 2008 04:32 GMT
>>> I've never heard Huck say the earth was only 6,000 years old.  AAMOF,
>>> when he blitzed Blitzter, he even said, "I don't know."
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> And any honest scientist.  So sorry.

Sorry nothing. The point isn't that nobody can pin down an exact age. The
point is that Huckabee once commented that 6000 sounded right to him. If you
think it's valid for him to use the number 6000, then I need you to explain
why you think paleontologists are wrong about the age of dinosaurs. Be very
specific about the errors scientists are constantly making.

http://images.salon.com/comics/tomo/2007/02/26/tomo/story.jpg
witfal - 12 Feb 2008 05:24 GMT
>>>> I've never heard Huck say the earth was only 6,000 years old.  AAMOF,
>>>> when he blitzed Blitzter, he even said, "I don't know."
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Sorry nothing. The point isn't that nobody can pin down an exact age.

Exactly my point.  Thanks for the affirmation.

> The
> point is that Huckabee once commented that 6000 sounded right to him. If you
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>
> http://images.salon.com/comics/tomo/2007/02/26/tomo/story.jpg

Why would I be specific in answering your question, when you've still
not answered mine?
JoeSpareBedroom - 12 Feb 2008 12:57 GMT
>>>>> I've never heard Huck say the earth was only 6,000 years old.  AAMOF,
>>>>> when he blitzed Blitzter, he even said, "I don't know."
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> Why would I be specific in answering your question, when you've still not
> answered mine?

Nobody can answer YOUR question, if the question you're referring to is "How
old is the earth"?

But, you can tell me why you think Huckabee's estimate should be respected
by anyone. You can tell me indirectly, by explaining by paleontologists are
wrong.
witfal - 12 Feb 2008 15:09 GMT
>> Why would I be specific in answering your question, when you've still not
>> answered mine?
>
> Nobody can answer YOUR question, if the question you're referring to is "How
> old is the earth"?

I didn't ask for dogma.  Just your opinion, plus or minus a few million.

> But, you can tell me why you think Huckabee's estimate should be respected
> by anyone. You can tell me indirectly, by explaining by paleontologists are
> wrong.

I can completely respect his "I don't know".

Beating the dead horse of his earlier answer is just that.
JoeSpareBedroom - 12 Feb 2008 15:14 GMT
>>> Why would I be specific in answering your question, when you've still
>>> not
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>
> I didn't ask for dogma.  Just your opinion, plus or minus a few million.

I'll just use the number I read last week in an article about dinosaurs: 250
million years, give or take a week.

>> But, you can tell me why you think Huckabee's estimate should be
>> respected
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> I can completely respect his "I don't know".

I could respect it, too, if two conditions existed:

1) He wasn't a politician
2) He wasn't trying to cover the tracks left by his previous comment about
6000 years

Some will say he gained new knowledge, so his "I don't know" was perfectly
sincere, but I don't buy it.
witfal - 12 Feb 2008 15:23 GMT
>>>> Why would I be specific in answering your question, when you've still
>>>> not
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> I'll just use the number I read last week in an article about dinosaurs: 250
> million years, give or take a week.

I could live with that.  Surprised?

>> I can completely respect his [Huckabee's] "I don't know".
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Some will say he gained new knowledge, so his "I don't know" was perfectly
> sincere, but I don't buy it.

That's fine.  You'd never vote for him anyway, so I doubt he's losing
sleep over that tally.

OTOH, his candidacy is all but dead.  The best never run, win, or stay
anyway, so we'll be having another four to eight years of mediocrity at
best.
JoeSpareBedroom - 12 Feb 2008 15:27 GMT
>>>>> Why would I be specific in answering your question, when you've still
>>>>> not
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> anyway, so we'll be having another four to eight years of mediocrity at
> best.

I hope you don't think he was one of the best. If he privately has doubts
about science, imagine how he might try and rape the budgets of agencies
whose existence revolve around science.
witfal - 12 Feb 2008 15:34 GMT
>> OTOH, his candidacy is all but dead.  The best never run, win, or stay
>> anyway, so we'll be having another four to eight years of mediocrity at
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> about science, imagine how he might try and rape the budgets of agencies
> whose existence revolve around science.

Nowhere have I claimed he was the best.

Mistake number 1.

Mistake number 2 is to assume that a creationist would cut budgets for
other non-speculative sciences.  I know of none who advocate this.
JoeSpareBedroom - 12 Feb 2008 15:39 GMT
>>> OTOH, his candidacy is all but dead.  The best never run, win, or stay
>>> anyway, so we'll be having another four to eight years of mediocrity at
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> Mistake number 2 is to assume that a creationist would cut budgets for
> other non-speculative sciences.  I know of none who advocate this.

They do like to meddle, though. Kansas.....
witfal - 12 Feb 2008 15:49 GMT
>>>> OTOH, his candidacy is all but dead.  The best never run, win, or stay
>>>> anyway, so we'll be having another four to eight years of mediocrity at
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>
> They do like to meddle, though. Kansas.....

Nice backpedal.
JoeSpareBedroom - 12 Feb 2008 15:57 GMT
>>>>> OTOH, his candidacy is all but dead.  The best never run, win, or stay
>>>>> anyway, so we'll be having another four to eight years of mediocrity
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> Nice backpedal.

Not backpedaling at all. Neither of us can predict what a crank like
Huckebee might do once in office. We can only look at the past and
extrapolate. And, the president certainly is capable of being a total pain
in the a.s to legislators when he wants an agency's budget "adjusted". He
can arrange for information to be adjusted to his liking, or hidden
completely.

When I was in high school, one of the two biology teachers refused to teach
evolution, even though it was required in the state's syllabus. Parents
devised a myriad of ways to petition the principal to make sure their kids
were placed with the smart teacher instead of the creationist, but there was
an obvious limit to how many kids could fit into a classroom.

I don't recall if or how the creationist was finally dealt with, but I
remember my parents talking about the horrors of tenure.
witfal - 12 Feb 2008 16:25 GMT
>>> They do like to meddle, though. Kansas.....
>>
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> can arrange for information to be adjusted to his liking, or hidden
> completely.

So because, at one time, he said 6K years, that makes him a crank?

> When I was in high school, one of the two biology teachers refused to teach
> evolution, even though it was required in the state's syllabus. Parents
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> I don't recall if or how the creationist was finally dealt with, but I
> remember my parents talking about the horrors of tenure.

The horrors of tenure aren't exhibited solely in one direction, Joe.  
The theory of evolution is just that.  The most reputable, honest
scientists do not call it fact, even today.  Yet the public school
system is replete with those on the left who teach utter nonsense
within many subjects.
JoeSpareBedroom - 12 Feb 2008 17:52 GMT
>>>> They do like to meddle, though. Kansas.....
>>>
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>
> So because, at one time, he said 6K years, that makes him a crank?

Absolutely, inarguably yes. If I could speak to him personally over an
extended period of time, it's possible I might eventually believe that he
had flushed the nonsense out of his head, perhaps after becoming properly
educated. But, I can't do that. So, to protect future generations, I have no
choice but to assume he's dangerous.

>> When I was in high school, one of the two biology teachers refused to
>> teach
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> do not call it fact, even today.  Yet the public school system is replete
> with those on the left who teach utter nonsense within many subjects.

Some reputable scientists say that the ability of bacteria to develop
resistance to drugs is one example of evolution. Others say genetic
selection is NOT an example. Both may be right. If your only definition of
evolution is "people used to be fish", then we have a real problem.
witfal - 12 Feb 2008 19:09 GMT
>> So because, at one time, he said 6K years, that makes him a crank?
>
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> educated. But, I can't do that. So, to protect future generations, I have no
> choice but to assume he's dangerous.

Dangerous in your opinion.

The horrors of tenure aren't exhibited solely in one direction, Joe.  The
>> theory of evolution is just that.  The most reputable, honest scientists
>> do not call it fact, even today.  Yet the public school system is replete
>> with those on the left who teach utter nonsense within many subjects.
>
> Some reputable scientists say that the ability of bacteria to develop
> resistance to drugs is one example of evolution.

Some would also make the argument that the many breeds of dogs we have
are another.

>  Others say genetic
> selection is NOT an example. Both may be right. If your only definition of
> evolution is "people used to be fish", then we have a real problem.

Mutation or adaptation resulting in dominant characteristics exist
without question.  The indisputable evidence for transitional life
forms is fleeting at best.
JoeSpareBedroom - 12 Feb 2008 19:26 GMT
>>> So because, at one time, he said 6K years, that makes him a crank?
>>
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>
> Dangerous in your opinion.

I know you're not so naive as to think that a president, even (and perhaps
especially) in his unofficial capacity, doesn't exert influence over certain
agencies to promote his own personal agenda. Every president does this.
Remember the twat that Bush installed at the EPA?

> The horrors of tenure aren't exhibited solely in one direction, Joe.  The
>>> theory of evolution is just that.  The most reputable, honest scientists
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> question.  The indisputable evidence for transitional life forms is
> fleeting at best.

If the human genome project ever settles the age-old question about gill
slits in human embryos, perhaps we'll finally have an answer.
witfal - 12 Feb 2008 19:47 GMT
>> Dangerous in your opinion.
>
> I know you're not so naive as to think that a president, even (and perhaps
> especially) in his unofficial capacity, doesn't exert influence over certain
> agencies to promote his own personal agenda. Every president does this.
> Remember the twat that Bush installed at the EPA?

Sure.  Remember the murdering, incompetent amazon Hillary installed as
AG under her "co-presidency"?

Mutation or adaptation resulting in dominant characteristics exist without
>> question.  The indisputable evidence for transitional life forms is
>> fleeting at best.
>
> If the human genome project ever settles the age-old question about gill
> slits in human embryos, perhaps we'll finally have an answer.

Vestigial organs are nothing noteworthy.  How 'bout that appendix, eh?
JoeSpareBedroom - 12 Feb 2008 19:53 GMT
>>> Dangerous in your opinion.
>>
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>
> Vestigial organs are nothing noteworthy.  How 'bout that appendix, eh?

What kind of work do you do? You might've told me before, but I forgot.
witfal - 12 Feb 2008 20:52 GMT
> What kind of work do you do? You might've told me before, but I forgot.

I'm retired from 30+years with a telecommunications company.  Currently
I work part-time as a personal trainer in a gym.

Good stuff.  You can't be my age and not be a great condition, and have
any credibility with clientele.  Keeps me on my toes, along with
martial arts, etc.
JoeSpareBedroom - 12 Feb 2008 22:17 GMT
>> What kind of work do you do? You might've told me before, but I forgot.
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> any credibility with clientele.  Keeps me on my toes, along with martial
> arts, etc.

OK. I just wanted to know what your areas of expertise were NOT.
witfal - 12 Feb 2008 22:49 GMT
>>> What kind of work do you do? You might've told me before, but I forgot.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> OK. I just wanted to know what your areas of expertise were NOT.

Thought so.  Yours?
JoeSpareBedroom - 12 Feb 2008 23:08 GMT
>>>> What kind of work do you do? You might've told me before, but I forgot.
>>>
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>
> Thought so.  Yours?

Exactly the same lack of expertise. So, when I tell you Huckabee is
dangerous, you can assume I'm correct because I am.
witfal - 13 Feb 2008 03:42 GMT
>>>> Good stuff.  You can't be my age and not be a great condition, and have
>>>> any credibility with clientele.  Keeps me on my toes, along with martial
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Exactly the same lack of expertise. So, when I tell you Huckabee is
> dangerous, you can assume I'm correct because I am.

Yeah, right.
JoeSpareBedroom - 13 Feb 2008 14:00 GMT
>>>>> Good stuff.  You can't be my age and not be a great condition, and
>>>>> have
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Yeah, right.

Your only problem with this issue is that there are two possible reasons
Huckabee might still believe his 6000 year theory.

Reason #1: Ignorance

Reason #2: RELIGION!!!

It's #2!!! Religion!!!

religion religion religion religion
witfal - 13 Feb 2008 15:16 GMT
>>> Exactly the same lack of expertise. So, when I tell you Huckabee is
>>> dangerous, you can assume I'm correct because I am.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> religion religion religion religion

Wrong again.  It's science.  I truly believe that he, and many like
him, might start out believing 6K.  But after confronted with the
facts, they realize their error.
JoeSpareBedroom - 13 Feb 2008 15:19 GMT
>>>> Exactly the same lack of expertise. So, when I tell you Huckabee is
>>>> dangerous, you can assume I'm correct because I am.
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> might start out believing 6K.  But after confronted with the facts, they
> realize their error.

When did you first learn about dinosaurs? High school earth science, maybe?
witfal - 13 Feb 2008 15:22 GMT
>> Wrong again.  It's science.  I truly believe that he, and many like him,
>> might start out believing 6K.  But after confronted with the facts, they
>> realize their error.
>
> When did you first learn about dinosaurs? High school earth science, maybe?

Nope.  I was a dino-nut before kindergarten.
JoeSpareBedroom - 13 Feb 2008 15:30 GMT
>>> Wrong again.  It's science.  I truly believe that he, and many like him,
>>> might start out believing 6K.  But after confronted with the facts, they
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Nope.  I was a dino-nut before kindergarten.

I'm prepared to buy you a double-thick foam kneepad like gardeners use and
ship it to you, gift wrapped with a bow. It sounds like you'd want it handy
in case you ever got close to Huckabee.

Huckabee is 52. How can anyone in this country get past the age of (to pick
a number) 25 without ever seeing the words "million years" mentioned in the
same context as dinosaurs, fossils, etc? How is that possible?
witfal - 13 Feb 2008 15:33 GMT
>>> When did you first learn about dinosaurs? High school earth science,
>>> maybe?
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> a number) 25 without ever seeing the words "million years" mentioned in the
> same context as dinosaurs, fossils, etc? How is that possible?

Wrong assumption.  There are many Christians who go from "million' to
"thousands" when they come to Believe.  Some stay, some can't ignore
the science.  Huckabee might be of the latter category.  I don't know.
;-)
JoeSpareBedroom - 13 Feb 2008 15:51 GMT
>>>> When did you first learn about dinosaurs? High school earth science,
>>>> maybe?
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> "thousands" when they come to Believe.  Some stay, some can't ignore the
> science.  Huckabee might be of the latter category.  I don't know. ;-)

Would you like this one?
http://www.groworganic.com/item_GO123_Garden_Kneeling_Pad.html?welcome=T

Or, something with back support?
http://www.gardeners.com/Healthy+Back+Garden+Kneeler/GardeningTools_PlantingTool
s,37-024,default,cp.html

witfal - 13 Feb 2008 15:53 GMT
>> Wrong assumption.  There are many Christians who go from "million' to
>> "thousands" when they come to Believe.  Some stay, some can't ignore the
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Or, something with back support?
> http://www.gardeners.com/Healthy+Back+Garden+Kneeler/GardeningTools_PlantingTool
s,37-024,default,cp.html

You're

obsessed.  Interesting how easily this was found by you.

Previous need?
JoeSpareBedroom - 13 Feb 2008 16:21 GMT
>>> Wrong assumption.  There are many Christians who go from "million' to
>>> "thousands" when they come to Believe.  Some stay, some can't ignore the
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Previous need?

Way too many gardening links, which reminds me that I have to do a seed
inventory today and get my orders placed.
witfal - 13 Feb 2008 16:37 GMT
> Way too many gardening links, which reminds me that I have to do a seed
> inventory today and get my orders placed.

Polyploid?
JoeSpareBedroom - 13 Feb 2008 16:58 GMT
>> Way too many gardening links, which reminds me that I have to do a seed
>> inventory today and get my orders placed.
>
> Polyploid?

Some, probably.
witfal - 13 Feb 2008 17:00 GMT
>>> Way too many gardening links, which reminds me that I have to do a seed
>>> inventory today and get my orders placed.
>>
>> Polyploid?
>
> Some, probably.

What genus? ;-)
JoeSpareBedroom - 13 Feb 2008 17:10 GMT
>>>> Way too many gardening links, which reminds me that I have to do a seed
>>>> inventory today and get my orders placed.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> What genus? ;-)

Sounds like you have the afternoon off. Here's the list. Your assignment:
Find family, genus and species for each item. And, try that "Big Tetra Mix"
Burpee zinnia sometime. 8 feet tall.

This is it, in late May, only about 5 feet tall at the time. By August, it
was threatening to eat the mailman:
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c197/ancientangler/ZinniaJungle.jpg

     Arugula
     Basil Genovese
     Bean Kentucky Blue Pole
     Bean-Lima Fordhook No. 242
     Broccoli Green Goliath
     Broccoli Org Green Sprouting Calabrese
     Broccoli Raab Spring
     Browallia Blue Bells Improved
     Canna Collected in L.I.
     Cantaloupe SuperSun Hybrid
     Carrot Nantes Half Long
     Chives
     Cobaea Mountain Glory Blue
     Collards Georgia
     Coriander Coriandrum sativum
     Corn Silver Queen
     Cornflower Blue Boy
     Cosmos Bright Lights Mixed
     Cucumber Bush Champion
     Cucumber Little Delicious (pickle)
     Dandelion Amelioré
     Dill Anethum graveolens-Mammoth
     Endive Galia
     Escarole Batavian Full Heart
     Fennel Florence Fennel
     Garlic Harris - planted Oct 2004
     Impatiens Flavours Hybrid-Vanilla
     Kale Dwarf Blue Curled Vates
     Kale Flowering Nagoya Hybrid
     Lettuce Burpee Bibb (Butterhead)
     Lettuce Buttercrunch
     Lettuce Green Ice
     Lettuce Little Caesar Romaine
     Marigold Climax Mixed
     Moonflower Giant White
     Mustard India Tendergreen
     Nasturtium Fordhook Favorites
     Nasturtium Double Dwarf Jewel Mixed
     Onion Evergreen Long White Bunching
     Oregano Greek
     Pak Choi Joi Choi Hybrid
     Parsley Extra Curled Dwarf
     Parsley Single Italian
     Pea Mammoth Melting Sugar
     Pea Wando
     Pepper Crispy Hybrid
     Pepper Long Slim Red Cayenne
     Pepper Jalapeño M
     Portulaca Magic Carpet Mixed
     Purslane Goldgelber
     Spinach Bloomsdale Long Standing
     Spinach Harmony Hybrid
     Squash Cocozelle Bush Zucchini
     Squash Butterbush
     Statice Mixed Bold Colors
     Sweet Pea Old Spice Mix
     Swiss Chard Burpee Rhubarb Chard
     Thyme Common Thyme
     Tomato Gardener's Delight (Cherry)
     Tomato Rutgers
     Zinnia Big Tetra Mix
witfal - 13 Feb 2008 17:18 GMT
>>>>> Way too many gardening links, which reminds me that I have to do a seed
>>>>> inventory today and get my orders placed.
[quoted text clipped - 74 lines]
>       Tomato Rutgers
>       Zinnia Big Tetra Mix

Struck a nerve, though I'm sure you guessed at what I was teasing you
about. <g>
larry moe 'n curly - 13 Feb 2008 04:40 GMT
>  Remember the murdering, incompetent amazon Hillary installed as
> AG under her "co-presidency"?

You say that every time you write an alimony check to her.

Janet Reno wasn't that bad and was a thorn to the Clintons on
Whitewater and related scandals.

> > If the human genome project ever settles the age-old question about gill
> > slits in human embryos, perhaps we'll finally have an answer.
>
> Vestigial organs are nothing noteworthy.  How 'bout that appendix, eh?

Isn't it thought that the appendix may help the immune system develop
in the earlier years?  How can that be nothing.

And what about organs that are hard to explain without evolution, like
men's nipples?
witfal - 13 Feb 2008 06:36 GMT
>> Remember the murdering, incompetent amazon Hillary installed as
>> AG under her "co-presidency"?
>
> You say that every time you write an alimony check to her.

Clever comment.  In your mind.

> Janet Reno wasn't that bad and was a thorn to the Clintons on
> Whitewater and related scandals.

Can you say "non sequitur"?

>>> If the human genome project ever settles the age-old question about gill
>>> slits in human embryos, perhaps we'll finally have an answer.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> And what about organs that are hard to explain without evolution, like
> men's nipples?

Have at it.  I'm all ears.
larry moe 'n curly - 14 Feb 2008 06:26 GMT
> Remember the murdering, incompetent amazon Hillary installed as
> AG under her "co-presidency"?
>
> > You say that every time you write an alimony check to her.
>
> Clever comment.  In your mind.

I blame the audience.

> > Janet Reno wasn't that bad and was a thorn to the Clintons on
> > Whitewater and related scandals.
>
> Can you say "non sequitur"?

If Reno was nothing but Hillary's puppet, why didn't she do a better
job covering up for the Clintons?

>>> If the human genome project ever settles the age-old question about gill
>>> slits in human embryos, perhaps we'll finally have an answer.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Have at it.  I'm all ears.

I'm asking.  Those weren't rhetorical questions.
witfal - 14 Feb 2008 13:32 GMT
>> Clever comment.  In your mind.
>
> I blame the audience.

In this case, one.

>>> Janet Reno wasn't that bad and was a thorn to the Clintons on
>>> Whitewater and related scandals.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> If Reno was nothing but Hillary's puppet, why didn't she do a better
> job covering up for the Clintons?

You and I both know we'll never know the extent of what she covered up.

>>> And what about organs that are hard to explain without evolution, like
>>> men's nipples?
>>
>> Have at it.  I'm all ears.
>
> I'm asking.  Those weren't rhetorical questions.

Nor was mine.  Have at it.  I've heard satisfactory explanations.  What
are yours?
larry moe 'n curly - 13 Feb 2008 04:18 GMT
> So because, at one time, he said 6K years, that makes him a crank?

If he was adult at that time, then yes.

> The horrors of tenure aren't exhibited solely in one direction, Joe.
> The theory of evolution is just that.  The most reputable, honest
> scientists do not call it fact, even today.

They'd say that evolution is a fact, but any theory of evolution
isn't.
larry moe 'n curly - 13 Feb 2008 04:13 GMT
> I've never heard Huck say the earth was only 6,000 years old.  AAMOF,
> when he blitzed Blitzter, he even said, "I don't know."
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> And any honest scientist.  So sorry.

But the scientists aren't lying when they say that; the politicians
are.
larry moe 'n curly - 12 Feb 2008 02:13 GMT
>> just couldn't be ruffled by Tim Russert. Had an answer for
>> everything, never got flustered, and maintained his composure all
>> along.

>  All you have to do is watch the youtube
> detailing how Huckabee sliced and diced Wolf Blitzer with no effort
> whatsoever.
>
> It was a work of art.

Wolf Blitzer, the completely conventional and easily intimidated
journalist?  He's no Charlie Rose, Mike Wallace, or Terry Gross.
witfal - 12 Feb 2008 04:26 GMT
>>> just couldn't be ruffled by Tim Russert. Had an answer for
>>> everything, never got flustered, and maintained his composure all
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Wolf Blitzer, the completely conventional and easily intimidated
> journalist?  He's no Charlie Rose, Mike Wallace, or Terry Gross.

Bring 'em on.  Your Emperors have no clothes.
badgolferman - 11 Feb 2008 03:48 GMT
> Where did you read or hear that? Who told you to say it?

You have become such a bore.  Don't you have any new lines?
JoeSpareBedroom - 11 Feb 2008 03:54 GMT
>> Where did you read or hear that? Who told you to say it?
>
> You have become such a bore.  Don't you have any new lines?

When you repeat what every news pundit is saying, it's clear you're just
regurgitating.
badgolferman - 11 Feb 2008 04:35 GMT
> > > Where did you read or hear that? Who told you to say it?
> >
> > You have become such a bore.  Don't you have any new lines?
>
> When you repeat what every news pundit is saying, it's clear you're
> just regurgitating.

Sorry to burst your bubble Joey boy.  I have a life and don't have time
to watch TV political shows or read the Opinion page.  I form my own
opinions based upon my experiences and guiding principles.
Occassionally I drop in here to see what the hot topic is.  Whatever
you're railing against is probably what I would support.  It is ironic
for you that your efforts have the exact opposite effect you are trying
to achieve.

Now go back to your room before your mother scolds you for staying up
too late.

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useful than a life spent doing nothing." ~ George Bernard Shaw

JoeSpareBedroom - 11 Feb 2008 04:37 GMT
>> > > Where did you read or hear that? Who told you to say it?
>> >
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> for you that your efforts have the exact opposite effect you are trying
> to achieve.

There are cartoons about your news sources - the ones you parrot.
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0706,tomorrow,75758,9.html
larry moe 'n curly - 13 Feb 2008 04:59 GMT
> > Sorry to burst your bubble Joey boy.  I have a life and don't have time
> > to watch TV political shows or read the Opinion page.  I form my own
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> There are cartoons about your news sources - the ones you parrot.
> http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0706,tomorrow,75758,9.html

The vehemently anti-union Village Voice?
JoeSpareBedroom - 13 Feb 2008 14:02 GMT
>> > Sorry to burst your bubble Joey boy.  I have a life and don't have time
>> > to watch TV political shows or read the Opinion page.  I form my own
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> The vehemently anti-union Village Voice?

The cartoon was the point, not the entity which published it. For some
reason, the cartoonist doesn't host **ALL** his cartoon archives on his own
site.
Reasoned Insanity - 11 Feb 2008 17:04 GMT
>>> > just couldn't be ruffled by Tim Russert. Had an answer for
>>> > everything, never got flustered, and maintained his composure all
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Where did you read or hear that? Who told you to say it?

You've never read any of McCain's history or heard him speak have you? If
you had, you might realize that he is nothing more than a closet
neo-liberal. At least Hillary and Obama are honest about it.
JoeSpareBedroom - 11 Feb 2008 17:10 GMT
>>>> > just couldn't be ruffled by Tim Russert. Had an answer for
>>>> > everything, never got flustered, and maintained his composure all
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> you had, you might realize that he is nothing more than a closet
> neo-liberal. At least Hillary and Obama are honest about it.

I've read quite a bit about his ideas. My bigger concern is that some
kiddies want to elect another president whose main skill is blurting out
slogans specifically concocted to polarize people. McCain doesn't seem like
that type. At some point, we'll need a president who can negotiate and get
things done.
badgolferman - 12 Feb 2008 03:53 GMT
> You've never read any of McCain's history or heard him speak have
> you? If you had, you might realize that he is nothing more than a
> closet neo-liberal. At least Hillary and Obama are honest about it.

For once I agree with you.
Mark A - 11 Feb 2008 03:07 GMT
> Why?  Whether it's Obama, Clinton or McCain they'll still have one of
> their own.

I think you are wrong about that, but if a lot other Republicans agree then
I guess we will never find out.
 
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