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Car Forum / Toyota / Toyota Cars / February 2008{OT:} The Dumbing Of America
Article excerpt: People accustomed to hearing their president explain complicated policy choices by snapping "I'm the decider" may find it almost impossible to imagine the pains that Franklin D. Roosevelt took, in the grim months after Pearl Harbor, to explain why U.S. armed forces were suffering one defeat after another in the Pacific. In February 1942, Roosevelt urged Americans to spread out a map during his radio "fireside chat" so that they might better understand the geography of battle. In stores throughout the country, maps sold out; about 80 percent of American adults tuned in to hear the president. FDR had told his speechwriters that he was certain that if Americans understood the immensity of the distances over which supplies had to travel to the armed forces, "they can take any kind of bad news right on the chin." The entire article here. http://tinyurl.com/ypdvwl > Article excerpt: > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > The entire article here. > http://tinyurl.com/ypdvwl Have you ever seen or heard results of high school students surveyed about geography? I'm not going to try to remember specific percentages, but it really was an eye-opener as to just how many couldn't find the U.S. on a globe or map. For other countries, it was worse. > On 2008-02-17 19:19:26 -0800, "edspyhil...@yahoo.com" > <edspyhil...@yahoo.com> said: [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I count myself with those who can't identify the states on a map of just outlines. Same with Europe, Asia, Africa. I think we should all join the people who sport the bumpersticker, "Shoot you TV". Ed S. >> Have you ever seen or heard results of high school students surveyed >> about geography? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > just outlines. Same with Europe, Asia, Africa. I think we should all > join the people who sport the bumpersticker, "Shoot you TV". Possibly. I think the trouble goes to apathy. >>> Have you ever seen or heard results of high school students surveyed >>> about geography? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Possibly. I think the trouble goes to apathy. It's interesting that the article mentioned Moynihan. Back in the 1960s, he was involved for some reason with some sociologists researching where the real impetus for education comes from, and of course, they came up with "the home", which we all know is the correct answer. If I recall, this study was looking at education budgets and their effectiveness. Here's the interview with Moynihan. If you don't want to read the whole thing, search for the words "linkage there". Poke around a little just before and after that part of the page. http://www.pbs.org/fmc/interviews/moynihan.htm I look at how my son turned out (inquisitive to the point where you need to put on your seat belt to have a conversation with him). I could list all the wrong things we did NOT do when raising him, but it's not so easy to describe what the right things were. They're subtle and not terribly exciting. I suspect that the brain knows what it needs to do, and that the wrong things just get in its way. One thing I know for sure, though, is that I constantly asked him questions instead of giving him answers. When I do that here, it drives certain people crazy. That's good. > I look at how my son turned out (inquisitive to the point where you need to > put on your seat belt to have a conversation with him). I could list all the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > instead of giving him answers. When I do that here, it drives certain people > crazy. That's good. Good show. My son STILL drives me crazy. But the tables have turned ;-) > On 2008-02-18 02:58:30 -0800, "edspyhil...@yahoo.com" > <edspyhil...@yahoo.com> said: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Possibly. I think the trouble goes to apathy. It's true. After 1+ hour commute each way and a full day of work dodging "leaders" *, when I get home I eat, watch some news, and some TV to make me laugh, then sputter till I go to sleep. * Corporations no longer have managers, just leaders, which is why work is like an asylum or a prison run by the inmates. > > I count myself with those who can't identify the states on a map of > > just outlines. Same with Europe, Asia, Africa. I think we should all > > join the people who sport the bumpersticker, "Shoot you TV". > > Possibly. I think the trouble goes to apathy. Trouble makers stirring up apathy. >>> I count myself with those who can't identify the states on a map of >>> just outlines. Same with Europe, Asia, Africa. I think we should all [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Trouble makers stirring up apathy. Who cares? > > On 2008-02-17 19:19:26 -0800, "edspyhil...@yahoo.com" > > <edspyhil...@yahoo.com> said: [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Ed S. If your government-run school had actually taught the fundamentals rather than indoctrinate you into how wonderful government is then you would probably have a much larger view of the world than what CNN and MSNBC force feed you. >> > On 2008-02-17 19:19:26 -0800, "edspyhil...@yahoo.com" >> > <edspyhil...@yahoo.com> said: [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > would probably have a much larger view of the world than what CNN and > MSNBC force feed you. It has nothing to do with the school or who runs it. > It has nothing to do with the school or who runs it. Bullshit. I know you're inferring that parental involvement is needed, and it more certainly is. But that takes away from the failed responsibility of the system itself. Parents can, and should, teach their own children to read before entereing the system for their own good. But for some children that come from failed homes or "non-existent" parental involvement, they too need somewhere to get basic skills taught. You're not going to claim it's equal now to what it was forty years ago, are you? >> It has nothing to do with the school or who runs it. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > You're not going to claim it's equal now to what it was forty years ago, > are you? In your last sentence, you used the word "it's". Before we go any further, please clarify the "it" you are referring to. Not for me, but for someone else. Thank you. >> You're not going to claim it's equal now to what it was forty years ago, >> are you? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Thank you. No problem. I'll rephrase for the apostrophe-challenged nitwit: You (Joe) are not going to claim that IT IS [public school system] now equal to what it was forty years ago, are you? >>> You're not going to claim it's equal now to what it was forty years ago, >>> are you? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > You (Joe) are not going to claim that IT IS [public school system] now > equal to what it was forty years ago, are you? You're correct. "It" is not equal. Here in NY, it's even better than 40 years ago. I think in the future, you should qualify your statements about the public school system to make it clear that you're referring exclusively to schools which DO have some sort of problems. You're too smart to make generalizations based on media fluff. >> No problem. I'll rephrase for the apostrophe-challenged nitwit: >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > You're correct. "It" is not equal. Here in NY, it's even better than 40 > years ago. Then you are quite fortunate there, and would be appalled at what goes on here. > I think in the future, you should qualify your statements about > the public school system to make it clear that you're referring exclusively > to schools which DO have some sort of problems. You're too smart to make > generalizations based on media fluff. I can't comment on other states, so I'll qualify right now that if and when I comment on the public school system, it refers to California's mess. >>> No problem. I'll rephrase for the apostrophe-challenged nitwit: >>> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > when I comment on the public school system, it refers to California's > mess. Sounds like you live in the wrong place, if the majority of parents are OK with what's taught in the schools. If the majority do NOT like the way things are, but things remain the same, you know who's to blame: The parents themselves. >> I can't comment on other states, so I'll qualify right now that if and >> when I comment on the public school system, it refers to California's [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > things are, but things remain the same, you know who's to blame: The parents > themselves. Bingo. It's what they've learned to accept, much like a frog in a pot of water over a boiler. One degree at a time. My kids were fortunate to be in at the tail end of what was acceptable, though my son graduated a year early by taking home study courses. The segregation of special ed kids ended when he as a sophomore, so he had to endure little of the slowdown in learning this caused. The district is a trainwreck at present. He's moving out-of-state eventually, and will join one of my daughters in her area of the country. She's getting married next month, so you'll just have to endure a week without my needling you here. ;-) I've been on my wife's Mac since last night cleaning things up in iPhoto for the influx of wedding pictures. An incredible piece of included software. I even had to "re-introduce" dbu to a killfile on this Mac last night after throwing a last barb in his direction. I'm sure he piddled a little more. <g> Ever consider jumping the Win/PC bandwagon? >>> I can't comment on other states, so I'll qualify right now that if and >>> when I comment on the public school system, it refers to California's [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Ever consider jumping the Win/PC bandwagon? There's no reason to do so. I don't experience the problems so common with many other Windows users. >> Ever consider jumping the Win/PC bandwagon? > > There's no reason to do so. I don't experience the problems so common with > many other Windows users. I'm all ears. What's your preventative medicine? I'm sure I know what you're going to say, but am still curious. >>> Ever consider jumping the Win/PC bandwagon? >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I'm all ears. What's your preventative medicine? I'm sure I know what > you're going to say, but am still curious. This computer generates my income, so: - A router, for security and also because there's no other way to connect to my company's VPN. - ZoneAlarm Pro, as a redundant measure for incoming nasties, as well as a way to monitor anything that attempts to send outbound without my knowledge. ZA's settings are password protected. All software is given permission to do what it needs to do, and nothing more. If my son's working in his user account and a program causes ZA to send up an alert, he can't grant permissions without my entering the password and taking a look at what the program is asking for. Stuff like Adobe Reader & Flash player aren't even allowed to check for their updates. I do that manually from time to time. - Antivirus software, although other measures have meant I haven't seen a virus on any of my computers since 2001. - No new software is ever installed on this machine unless it's first been tested on a spare computer, sometimes for several weeks. - MS updates are completely shut off. I follow two reliable sources for information about updates, and wait an average of two months before installing them. - Incremental backups are done daily, and full ones weekly. A weekly copy of each full backup lives in my bank safe deposit box 5 minutes away. - The spare computer is set up as a mirror image of this one, in terms of installed software. "JoeSpareBedroom"... > "witfal" >> said: *snipping Mac propaganda, etc. > - ZoneAlarm Pro, as a redundant measure for incoming nasties, as well as a > way to monitor anything that attempts to send outbound without my [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > player aren't even allowed to check for their updates. I do that manually > from time to time. ZA caused me *way* more problems than it solved. I finally ditched it altogether, for other less intrusive software. I left it on my kids' computers, as well as my mom's. Natalie > "JoeSpareBedroom"... >> "witfal" [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > ZA caused me *way* more problems than it solved. I doubt that was due only to the software. It's aimed at a certain level of user. I will comment no further on that, because it would be of benefit to nobody to do so. > *snipping Mac propaganda, etc. Just the facts, ma'am. Just the facts. ;-) "witfal" "Wickeddoll®" said: >> *snipping Mac propaganda, etc. > > Just the facts, ma'am. Just the facts. ;-) I think Macs are good, actually; it's the compatibility that bites. Natalie > "witfal" > "Wickeddoll®" [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I think Macs are good, actually; it's the compatibility that bites. There are very few software needs that can't be addressed by owning a Mac. Some proprietary functions are the exception, such as was illustrated by Joe in this thread. But Macs, unlike PCs, can be easily converted to dual-boot. Turn it on, and your chosen default system comes up. Hold down the Option key right after turning it on, and you'll get two icons displayed. One is OS X, the other Windows XP. Arrow to the chosen system, and you'll boot into that choice. This, of course, requires an installation of Windows utilizing Boot Camp, which comes free with OS X. The best of both worlds. "witfal" >> "Wickeddoll®" >> said: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > This, of course, requires an installation of Windows utilizing Boot Camp, > which comes free with OS X. The best of both worlds. I'll take your word for it. :-) Natalie >> This, of course, requires an installation of Windows utilizing Boot Camp, >> which comes free with OS X. The best of both worlds. > > I'll take your word for it. > > :-) Macs will run WinBlows, but not the other way around. One magazine, I forget which, actually claimed the best Windows computer is now a Mac. >>> This, of course, requires an installation of Windows utilizing Boot >>> Camp, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > One magazine, I forget which, actually claimed the best Windows computer > is now a Mac. The article I saw said that the MacBookPro was the Windows Vista laptop. I think they said it cost around $2500, so it must have been the 2400 MHz 15" laptop or the 2.6 GHz laptop with the 200 GB 7200 RPM drive. I want one. Jeff >> One magazine, I forget which, actually claimed the best Windows >> computer is now a Mac. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I want one. As do I, but I just got this 24" iMac. All the bells and whistles, with a 2.8 Core 2 duo Extreme Intel. Crazy fast in image/video processing. >> I'm all ears. What's your preventative medicine? I'm sure I know what >> you're going to say, but am still curious. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > - The spare computer is set up as a mirror image of this one, in terms of > installed software. Nice. Almost perfect, and far better than 99% of users. Stay away from porn sites, and you're gold. ;-) I'm impressed with your precautions, particularly the off-site backup. Now consider that all would be unnecessary, save the router and some auto-updates, if you ran a Mac. This assumes that your company has no software incompatibility issues. Incremental backups are now automatic with the newest version of OS X, and can be adjusted to be from hourly to every 12 hours with a free sofware addition. The backups, via Time Machine, use a bit of UNIX magic called "hard links" which prevents multiple copies of previously backed-up files from being continually duplicated. This very effectively controls the use of disk space on your external drive. >>> I'm all ears. What's your preventative medicine? I'm sure I know what >>> you're going to say, but am still curious. [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > duplicated. This very effectively controls the use of disk space on your > external drive. Sounds like you believe the fairy tale about how there are no viruses written for the Mac OS. Less? Of course. None? Of course not. Backups: I double click an icon and go get a beer. That's automated enough for me. Software: Because it's wickedly fast and manages its memory in ingenious ways, I use a DOS version of Paradox (database) for churning data in various ways. Even if there was a way to run it on a Mac, who cares? It's not even worth the time to do the research into a new OS. I used to have fun with the Mac users at a previous job. They used to hang over the wall of my cubicle and tell me how much happier I'd be if I could use a mouse instead of keystroke commands. 99% of what I used my DOS machine for was typing letters. These flakes could never explain how a mouse would help me type faster or better, except one lady who said the mouse was the best way to click the print button or some such nonsense. I've been typing 100 wpm since high school. It's got nothing to do with a mouse. > Sounds like you believe the fairy tale about how there are no viruses > written for the Mac OS. Less? Of course. None? Of course not. Show me one...just one...that works without the perp knowing the Mac's password. Every article recently written wherein someone "hacked" a Mac, was analogous to your giving a burglar the key to your front door, then saying "He broke in! He did it!" A true Mac virus doesn't yet exist. But I take precautions as to what I download, from where, and am a firm believer in firewalls. One day it'll happen, I'm sure. It may not be for years, but there are those who're sadistically flogging away at their keyboards, as I type this, just to make a name for themselves in the underworld of so-called social engineers. > Backups: I double click an icon and go get a beer. That's automated enough > for me. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > ways. Even if there was a way to run it on a Mac, who cares? It's not even > worth the time to do the research into a new OS. Exactly why I mentioned software issues. I had no idea what you use. > I used to have fun with the Mac users at a previous job. They used to hang > over the wall of my cubicle and tell me how much happier I'd be if I could [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > best way to click the print button or some such nonsense. I've been typing > 100 wpm since high school. It's got nothing to do with a mouse. I still use Terminal and command-line UNIX commands because, for me, they're faster. DOS is quite clunky next to UNIX, but whatever works for you is what's best. >> Sounds like you believe the fairy tale about how there are no viruses >> written for the Mac OS. Less? Of course. None? Of course not. [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > they're faster. DOS is quite clunky next to UNIX, but whatever works for > you is what's best. I go near the command line once a month. Paradox runs from an icon. But sometimes, it's faster to peer into a directory via DOS than a graphics-based thing like explorer. Better, faster filtering. >> I still use Terminal and command-line UNIX commands because, for me, >> they're faster. DOS is quite clunky next to UNIX, but whatever works for [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > sometimes, it's faster to peer into a directory via DOS than a > graphics-based thing like explorer. Better, faster filtering. If you know the switches, it's also more powerful. > If your government-run school had actually taught the fundamentals... That's pretty much all that needs to be said. It's difficult to believe that the public school system has degraded as much as it has during the past forty years. Waaaaay too much touchy-feely stuff, while ignoring what children are actually supposed to be taught. Then they follow up with demands for more tax money for remedial classes. Remedial? How about just dumping the current crappy curriculum and going back to what works? Remedial, my a.s. >> If your government-run school had actually taught the fundamentals... > > That's pretty much all that needs to be said. Not really. > It's difficult to believe that the public school system has degraded as > much as it has during the past forty years. Something else has changed in the past 40-50 years, and it has absolutely nothing to do with the schools. However, it has affected what the schools are capable of achieving. > Waaaaay too much touchy-feely stuff, while ignoring what children are > actually supposed to be taught. Then they follow up with demands for more > tax money for remedial classes. > > Remedial? How about just dumping the current crappy curriculum and going > back to what works? That's easy to achieve. Nobody really wants to in areas where the problem is real. >> Remedial? How about just dumping the current crappy curriculum and going >> back to what works? > > That's easy to achieve. Nobody really wants to in areas where the problem is > real. See other posted response. The problem seems to be they are still teaching the three "Rs" in some big city schools ;) >>> If your government-run school had actually taught the fundamentals... >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > That's easy to achieve. Nobody really wants to in areas where the problem > is real. On Feb 18, 10:44 am, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com> wrote: > edspyhil...@yahoo.com, 2/18/2008,5:58:30 AM, wrote: > > > On 2008-02-17 19:19:26 -0800, "edspyhil...@yahoo.com" [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > - Show quoted text - In some countries, the TV news resemble a newspaper: cover, headline, main stories, sports, culture and headlines. In less than 30 minutes, people is aware of the main national & international events. I used to watch CNN Headline News and it was pretty good for a while. But I guess ratings kicked in and they ditched the "actual news" for the more marketable "news you'd like to hear". So now I'm told about puppie rescues or lottery winners. The prime time was given to a righ- wing talk show host and a b*tch from hell in posession of absolute truth. There is some contempt towards general knowledge or general culture, usually by those who lack it. When I was precisely enough waiting for my Corolla's alignment in the local Firestone Ripoff Shop, they had some crap on TV, American Morning, I think. They cut for 20 seconds to give a news update: a cop shot another cop and there was a bad accident someplace. I guess I had then the information I needed to take on the day... I suposse murders, accidents and outrageous behaviour gets viewers. On Feb 18, 10:44 am, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com> wrote: > edspyhil...@yahoo.com, 2/18/2008,5:58:30 AM, wrote: > > On Feb 17, 10:30 pm, witfal <nos...@all4.me> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > - Show quoted text - In some countries, the TV news resemble a newspaper: cover, headline, main stories, sports, culture and headlines. In less than 30 minutes, people is aware of the main national & international events. I used to watch CNN Headline News and it was pretty good for a while. But I guess ratings kicked in and they ditched the "actual news" for the more marketable "news you'd like to hear". So now I'm told about puppie rescues or lottery winners. The prime time was given to a righ- wing talk show host and a b*tch from hell in posession of absolute truth. There is some contempt towards general knowledge or general culture, usually by those who lack it. When I was precisely enough waiting for my Corolla's alignment in the local Firestone Ripoff Shop, they had some crap on TV, American Morning, I think. They cut for 20 seconds to give a news update: a cop shot another cop and there was a bad accident someplace. I guess I had then the information I needed to take on the day... I suposse murders, accidents and outrageous behaviour gets viewers. ================== Contempt is right. Point out the president's obvious inability to speak as well as a diplomat from the Middle East or a 7th grade child here, and his lovers pour out a list of excuses, or claim you're an elitist for expecting the leader of the country to communicate clearly. "Is our children learning?" On Feb 18, 10:44 am, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com> wrote: > edspyhil...@yahoo.com, 2/18/2008,5:58:30 AM, wrote: > > On Feb 17, 10:30 pm, witfal <nos...@all4.me> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > - Show quoted text - In some countries, the TV news resemble a newspaper: cover, headline, main stories, sports, culture and headlines. In less than 30 minutes, people is aware of the main national & international events. I used to watch CNN Headline News and it was pretty good for a while. But I guess ratings kicked in and they ditched the "actual news" for the more marketable "news you'd like to hear". So now I'm told about puppie rescues or lottery winners. The prime time was given to a righ- wing talk show host and a b*tch from hell in posession of absolute truth. There is some contempt towards general knowledge or general culture, usually by those who lack it. When I was precisely enough waiting for my Corolla's alignment in the local Firestone Ripoff Shop, they had some crap on TV, American Morning, I think. They cut for 20 seconds to give a news update: a cop shot another cop and there was a bad accident someplace. I guess I had then the information I needed to take on the day... I suposse murders, accidents and outrageous behaviour gets viewers. And you want to hear something scary? Scarier than me in a red dress? Nobody will play Trivial Pursuit if I show up at a party. I've been collecting license plates since I was 7 and have been an amateur radio operator for 22 years now. I know ALL the states, and a lot of foreign countries. I have a German plate MES-S 832 over my bedroom door. (I'm a bachelor, of course) Problem is I when I talk about where my family came from, I talk about VE2(Quebec). The one foreign country I've been to is VE3.(Ontario) I watched an old movie this morning on AMC about MGY, which most other people think of as the RMS Titanic. I know how a Stowager step-switch works. I won 6 rounds of Trivial Pursuit and tried to LOSE the last 2 and still won. Charles the Curmudgeon >If your government-run school had actually taught the fundamentals >rather than indoctrinate you into how wonderful government is then you >would probably have a much larger view of the world than what CNN and >MSNBC force feed you. You're thinking only of schools run by local governments, but if you look at federally-run schools you'll find they've been educating children very well, so well that military personnel in the U.S. often live on-base just to keep their children eligible for such schools. My children were in federal schools while we were overseas, and their elementary school was so good that when we returned stateside they were quickly promoted by 2 grades, including my straight-C son, who became a straight-A student here. I count myself with those who can't identify the states on a map of just outlines. Same with Europe, Asia, Africa. I think we should all join the people who sport the bumpersticker, "Shoot you TV". Ed S. I could suggest to you a computer game called "Seterra" which contains blank maps from around the world. There's a map of the US for which you have to click on the correct state when the question asks you to identify its location, and one of Europe, one of Africa, Asia, etc. I found Africa to be the most difficult, with something like 48 countries, some large and some tiny, and with a few exceptions like Egypt (northeast corner) and South Africa (southernmost), pretty hard to master, but given a couple of weeks' idle time spent in doing the puzzle, it has become easy. The US is pretty easy, for me at least, since I've visited almost all the states at one time or another. Give it a try. >> Article excerpt: >> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > an eye-opener as to just how many couldn't find the U.S. on a globe or > map. For other countries, it was worse. http://video.fosfor.se/next-country-to-invade/ >> Have you ever seen or heard results of high school students surveyed about >> geography? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > http://video.fosfor.se/next-country-to-invade/ I've seen that. Incredible. >> Article excerpt: >> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > an eye-opener as to just how many couldn't find the U.S. on a globe or > map. For other countries, it was worse. About ten years ago, a professor from R.I.T. somehow convinced the thruway authority to let him post students at two toll booth locations for entry to the NYS Thruway, which runs east and west in this part of the state. Must've been off-peak timing, or drivers wouldn't have put up with this. Drivers were asked one quick question: If you needed to go to (name of city) from here, would you go east or west? Over one third of drivers answered incorrectly. This was reported on the nightly news in the segment normally reserved for silly things, like "dog climbs tree and throws raw eggs on passersby". > About ten years ago, a professor from R.I.T. somehow convinced the thruway > authority to let him post students at two toll booth locations for entry to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > nightly news in the segment normally reserved for silly things, like "dog > climbs tree and throws raw eggs on passersby". Hmmm. West/east. Left/right. Liberal/conservative. One-third are ignorant in the prof's survey. Suppose this is why the Florida Fathead can't correctly discern between latter pair? >> About ten years ago, a professor from R.I.T. somehow convinced the >> thruway [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Suppose this is why the Florida Fathead can't correctly discern between > latter pair? My son made better guesses, and he was 8 at the time. "St. Louis...Missouri...tornadoes...that's west, right?" Use one piece of information to obtain another. > My son made better guesses, and he was 8 at the time. "St. > Louis...Missouri...tornadoes...that's west, right?" Use one piece of > information to obtain another. Deductive reasoning. In middle school, my son was having a somewhat heated discussion about guns with his history teacher. The teacher, as is so often the case here, was on the side of gun control, saying in effect that the Founding Fathers didn't consider automatic weapons when they wrote the Second Amendment. My son countered with, "They didn't consider radio and television when they wrote the First Amendment." Pin-drop time. >> My son made better guesses, and he was 8 at the time. "St. >> Louis...Missouri...tornadoes...that's west, right?" Use one piece of [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Pin-drop time. You consider a BMW for yourself and send you kid to public school?  SignatureScott in Florida >>> My son made better guesses, and he was 8 at the time. "St. >>> Louis...Missouri...tornadoes...that's west, right?" Use one piece of [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > You consider a BMW for yourself and send you kid to public school? Yes, Scott, he send he kid to public school. Where you send YOU kid? > Some moron wrote:You consider a BMW for yourself and send you kid to > public school? > > Yes, Scott, he send he kid to public school. Where you send YOU kid? The Florida Fathead spews his oral diarrhea again. For you, mack, I'll explain that the BMWs and other luxuries came after all three were done with college. >>> About ten years ago, a professor from R.I.T. somehow convinced the >>> thruway [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >Louis...Missouri...tornadoes...that's west, right?" Use one piece of >information to obtain another. ROFLMAO Your son sure is a genius!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SignatureScott in Florida >> About ten years ago, a professor from R.I.T. somehow convinced the thruway >> authority to let him post students at two toll booth locations for entry to [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >Suppose this is why the Florida Fathead can't correctly discern between >latter pair? Seeeeeee The Circle Jerk is underway.... Witless is AFRAID of me....LOL SignatureScott in Florida > Article excerpt: > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > The entire article here. > http://tinyurl.com/ypdvwl Hmm....reading is better than watching. This explains (for the thousandth time) why dbu is so far behind pretty much everything. >> Article excerpt: >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Hmm....reading is better than watching. This explains (for the thousandth > time) why dbu is so far behind pretty much everything. Joe, you're criticizing a member of the eyesight-challenged community. dbu himself acknowledges that he can't read much because of his eyes. He doesn't mention that his mind is equally challenged. >>> Article excerpt: >>> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> Hmm....reading is better than watching. This explains (for the thousandth >> time) why dbu is so far behind pretty much everything. > Joe, you're criticizing a member of the eyesight-challenged community. > dbu himself acknowledges that he can't read much because of his eyes. > He doesn't mention that his mind is equally challenged. I don't believe he has eye problems. In the past, he's also said he doesn't like books because - All authors have some bias - Authors are only in it for the money |
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