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(OT:) WHY didn't Condoleeza run?

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Hachiroku - 20 Feb 2008 10:49 GMT
She has what the voters want:

she's black, so the Obama supporters will vote for her.
She's a woman, so the Hillary supporters will vote for her.
She's conservative, so the Republicans will vote for her.

Not only that, she's so HOT she makes Hillary look like:

http://www.funnyphotos.net.au/userimages/user756_1168230825.JPG
Mark A - 20 Feb 2008 11:24 GMT
> She has what the voters want:
>
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>
> http://www.funnyphotos.net.au/userimages/user756_1168230825.JPG

She has never held any elected office at any level. Some people want to see
that before they vote for a presidential candidate.
Hachiroku ハチロク - 20 Feb 2008 21:32 GMT
>> She has what the voters want:
>>
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> She has never held any elected office at any level. Some people want to
> see that before they vote for a presidential candidate.

Secretary of State is good for me!

Fact is, NO Secratary of State has ever held the Presidency.
Jack G - 20 Feb 2008 21:55 GMT
Thomas Jefferson for one...

Jack G.

>>> She has what the voters want:
>>>
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>
> Fact is, NO Secratary of State has ever held the Presidency.
Jack G - 21 Feb 2008 03:47 GMT
A quick search turned up these other Secretaries of State who became
Presidents:

James Madison, James Monroe, John Quincy Adams, Martin Van Buren and James
Buchanan.

Jack G

> Thomas Jefferson for one...
>
> Jack G.
>
>> Fact is, NO Secratary of State has ever held the Presidency.
Hachiroku ハチロク - 21 Feb 2008 04:15 GMT
> A quick search turned up these other Secretaries of State who became
> Presidents:
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>
> Jack G

Wow. Thanks Jack.

See what happens when you trust the Main Stream media? That's where I had
heard no SoS had ever been President...

>> Thomas Jefferson for one...
>>
>> Jack G.
>>
>>> Fact is, NO Secratary of State has ever held the Presidency.
sharx35 - 21 Feb 2008 05:28 GMT
>> A quick search turned up these other Secretaries of State who became
>> Presidents:
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>>>
>>>> Fact is, NO Secratary of State has ever held the Presidency.

The mainstream media is chockful of liar LIEbrawls.
Jack G - 21 Feb 2008 06:44 GMT
No doubt they are brain damaged from listening to too much obscure ghetto
dreck eh Sharky?

Jack G.

> The mainstream media is chockful of liar LIEbrawls.
Hachiroku ハチロク - 22 Feb 2008 00:49 GMT
> No doubt they are brain damaged from listening to too much obscure ghetto
> dreck eh Sharky?
>
> Jack G.

No. Amy Wine'head'.

>> The mainstream media is chockful of liar LIEbrawls.
Hachiroku ハチロク - 22 Feb 2008 00:49 GMT
>>>> Thomas Jefferson for one...
>>>>
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>
> The mainstream media is chockful of liar LIEbrawls.

I believe you may be right. What else are they 'misreporting'?
JoeSpareBedroom - 21 Feb 2008 14:58 GMT
>> A quick search turned up these other Secretaries of State who became
>> Presidents:
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> See what happens when you trust the Main Stream media? That's where I had
> heard no SoS had ever been President...

You should learn how to say "I don't know" and "I'm not sure".
Hachiroku ハチロク - 22 Feb 2008 00:48 GMT
>> Wow. Thanks Jack.
>>
>> See what happens when you trust the Main Stream media? That's where I
>> had heard no SoS had ever been President...
>
> You should learn how to say "I don't know" and "I'm not sure".

Why? The Liberal Media told me no SoS had ever been elected President.
Either NBC, NPR or CNN. Why should I doubt them? Why should *I* say "I
don't know", when I have been given the information from what's supposed
to be a 'reliable' source?

Looks to me like the media in this country needs a revamping if they are
to be trusted as being knowledgable.
JoeSpareBedroom - 22 Feb 2008 01:14 GMT
>>> Wow. Thanks Jack.
>>>
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> Looks to me like the media in this country needs a revamping if they are
> to be trusted as being knowledgable.

When you wrote to the news source in question, what did they say?
Hachiroku ハチロク - 22 Feb 2008 03:05 GMT
>>>> Wow. Thanks Jack.
>>>>
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>
> When you wrote to the news source in question, what did they say?

I don't remember who it was.

Wish I did...I'd remove them from the selection.
JoeSpareBedroom - 22 Feb 2008 03:07 GMT
>>>>> Wow. Thanks Jack.
>>>>>
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>
> Wish I did...I'd remove them from the selection.

Sure.
Hachiroku ハチロク - 22 Feb 2008 22:46 GMT
>>>>>> Wow. Thanks Jack.
>>>>>>
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>
> Sure.

Bite me.

I don't have to lie about anything. If I said I heard it on the
mainstream, I heard it on the mainstream. It may even have been Tim
Russert. I can't recall.

I don't have to make stuff up; the mainstream media is so stoopid just
quoting them is good enough.
dbu - 20 Feb 2008 11:35 GMT
> She has what the voters want:
>
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>
> http://www.funnyphotos.net.au/userimages/user756_1168230825.JPG

Like so many other overly qualified people, I don't think she wants the
job.
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Hillary Clinton

larry moe 'n curly - 22 Feb 2008 03:03 GMT
> Like so many other overly qualified people, I don't think she wants the job.

Other than academic jobs, for what is she overqualified?
manny@london.com - 20 Feb 2008 11:38 GMT
> She has what the voters want:
>
> she's black, so the Obama supporters will vote for her.
> She's a woman, so the Hillary supporters will vote for her.

No stereotypes there in your thinking.

> She's conservative, so the Republicans will vote for her.

As conservative as a McCain Republican, meaning no enthusiasm from the
rabid Bush/Reagan conservatives.

> Not only that, she's so HOT she makes Hillary look like:
>
> http://www.funnyphotos.net.au/userimages/user756_1168230825.JPG

Condi is so hot looking that when she walks into a room, all the guys
turn their heads toward her and think, "wow, that woman sure is
smart."  The angry chipmunk face doesn't help her either.
Hachiroku ハチロク - 20 Feb 2008 21:31 GMT
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 03:38:10 -0800, manny wrote:

>> She has what the voters want:
>>
>> she's black, so the Obama supporters will vote for her. She's a woman,
>> so the Hillary supporters will vote for her.
>
> No stereotypes there in your thinking.

It's a joke, I say, it's a *JOKE*, son!

>> She's conservative, so the Republicans will vote for her.
>
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> their heads toward her and think, "wow, that woman sure is smart."  The
> angry chipmunk face doesn't help her either.
F.H. - 20 Feb 2008 17:28 GMT
> She has what the voters want:
>
> she's black, so the Obama supporters will vote for her.
> She's a woman, so the Hillary supporters will vote for her.
> She's conservative, so the Republicans will vote for her.

Its a case of let "sleeping dogs lie."  The last thing the Republicans
want is to get their 9/11 *incompetence* (to put in mildly) back in the
news.  Like Gonzales and so many others touched by Bush and Rove, Condi
is toast.  Back to the oil business for her, and none too soon.

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/30/zelikow-interfered/
Hachiroku ハチロク - 20 Feb 2008 21:30 GMT
>> She has what the voters want:
>>
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>
> http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/30/zelikow-interfered/

Hillary doesn't have any baggage?
F.H. - 20 Feb 2008 21:46 GMT
>>> She has what the voters want:
>>>
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>
> Hillary doesn't have any baggage?

Non Sequitur, but since you bring it up, not that kind.  No one has
*that* kind except the inner circle of the Bush Admin.
Mark A - 21 Feb 2008 00:03 GMT
>> Its a case of let "sleeping dogs lie."  The last thing the Republicans
>> want is to get their 9/11 *incompetence* (to put in mildly) back in the
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>>
>> http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/30/zelikow-interfered/

Rice never worked in the oil business. She has previously served on the
board of directors for the Chevron Corporation, the Charles Schwab
Corporation, the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, the University of
Notre Dame, the International Advisory Council of J.P. Morgan and the San
Francisco Symphony Board of Governors.

Before her government service she was Stanford University 's Provost (this
is above the level of University President).

Prior to that she was professor of political science on the Stanford faculty
since 1981

It is incredible the number of lies that the left spreads about people. Have
you no shame?
F.H. - 21 Feb 2008 01:29 GMT
>>> Its a case of let "sleeping dogs lie."  The last thing the Republicans
>>> want is to get their 9/11 *incompetence* (to put in mildly) back in the
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> Rice never worked in the oil business. She has previously served on the
> board of directors for the Chevron Corporation

I see, and what business is Chevron in?  And the Bush family? And why is
a Chevron oil tanker named after her?  Does that suggest a conflict of
interest in dealing with matters of public interest?

The point really was her role in public life is "toast" because of her
first bungling, and then not owning up to, her mistakes regarding 9/11.
Mark A - 21 Feb 2008 02:14 GMT
> I see, and what business is Chevron in?  And the Bush family? And why is a
> Chevron oil tanker named after her?  Does that suggest a conflict of
> interest in dealing with matters of public interest?
>
> The point really was her role in public life is "toast" because of her
> first bungling, and then not owning up to, her mistakes regarding 9/11.

Since serving in government, Rice has not been on the Board of Directors of
Chevron or any other for-profit company. When she was on the board, she only
earned a token salary and attended a few board meetings (usually 4 meetings
per year for most boards) while also being Provost for Stanford University
(her real job). Stanford is a private university.

The Bush family is no longer in the oil business that I know of (has not
been in a long time).

Many prominent Democrats have been, or are now, on various corporate boards.

Hilary Clinton was a member of the Wal-Mart board of directors between 1986
and 1992 (a company which is a favorite whipping boy of the left). There is
no record of Hiliary objecting to any Wal-Mart corporate policies during her
board membership.

Former Georgia senator (and prominent Democrat) is currently a member of the
Chevron board.

Al Gore has been a member of the board of directors of Apple Inc. since
2003, and also serves as a Senior Advisor to Google Inc.
MaceFace - 21 Feb 2008 06:18 GMT
> F.H. wrote:
> > Its a case of let "sleeping dogs lie."  The last thing the Republicans
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Rice never worked in the oil business. She has previously served on the
> board of directors for the Chevron Corporation,

> It is incredible the number of lies that the left spreads about people. Have
> you no shame?

It's amazing how you "forgot" the main point of the story, that the
executive director of the 9/11 comission tried to get the comission's
report watered down, and many administration officials, including
Condi Rice, were involved with the effort:

"A forthcoming book by NYT reporter Philip Shenon --
'The Commission: The Uncensored History of the 9/11
Investigation' -- asserts that former 9/11 Commission
executive director Philip Zelikow interfered with the 9/11
report.

  'According to the book, Zelikow had failed to inform the
   commission at the time he was hired that he was
   instrumental in helping Condoleezza Rice set up Bush's
   National Security Council in 2001. Some panel staffers
   believe Zelikow stopped them from submitting a report
  depicting Rice's performance prior to 9/11 as "amount[ing]
  to incompetence.'

"After completing his work with the 9/11 Commission,
Zelikow was hired by Condoleezza Rice as Counselor
at the State Department. He resigned from that position in
late 2006. In 1995, Rice and Zelikow co-authored a book
entitled, 'Germany Unified and Europe Transformed.'"

It is incredible the number of lies that the right defends about the
right. Have you no shame?  Apparently not.
Mark A - 21 Feb 2008 08:07 GMT
> It's amazing how you "forgot" the main point of the story, that the
> executive director of the 9/11 comission tried to get the comission's
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> It is incredible the number of lies that the right defends about the
> right. Have you no shame?  Apparently not.

I don't consider the New York Times to be either reliable, or objective, in
their reporting or analysis.

9/11 Report watered down? What does that mean? You mean some people objected
to attempts by biased members of the commission to blame Bush for 9/11 in
the report? In that case, watered down actually means "make the report more
accurate and objective, and not partisan."

You want some truth about 9/11? The 9/11 plot was conceived right after Bill
Clinton tried to kill on Osama bin Laden on August 20, 1998. Clinton
attacked two locations, but failed to kill bin Laden, and Clinton never
tried again. The reason for the attack was to draw attention away from the
Monica Lewinski scandal, since Clinton had just  finished testifying before
the Office of Independent Counsel and the grand jury on August 17, 1998.

Bob Kerry, a former Democratic senator and 9/11 commission member, said,
"The most important thing the Clinton administration could have done would
have been for the president, either himself or by going to Congress, asking
for a congressional declaration to declare war on al-Qaeda, a
military-political organization that had declared war on us."

Senator Kerry's viewpoint above was not included in the commission report.
The 9/11 commission report was watered-down to protect Clinton and not blame
him for the 9/11 attack by bin Laden. How come liberals don't round up all
the people who watered-down the report to protect Clinton?
JoeSpareBedroom - 21 Feb 2008 15:00 GMT
>> It's amazing how you "forgot" the main point of the story, that the
>> executive director of the 9/11 comission tried to get the comission's
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
> I don't consider the New York Times to be either reliable, or objective,
> in their reporting or analysis.

For you to trust the book, who would've had to write it? In other words,
name some sources or authors you would trust, if they presented the EXACT
SAME INFORMATION.
Mark A - 21 Feb 2008 23:41 GMT
> For you to trust the book, who would've had to write it? In other words,
> name some sources or authors you would trust, if they presented the EXACT
> SAME INFORMATION.

Information can be taken out of context. It was easy to blame both Clinton
and Bush, any many Democrats "watered-down" the report with respect to
Clinton's culpability. It is not unreasonable for Republicans to do a quid
pro quo and refuse to lay the blame on Bush.

The report should have been a non-partisan review of the 9/11 tragedy,
unfortunately there are always scum who want to use the death of 3000 people
to blame everything on Bush (when it is easy to make the case that Clinton
had much greater culpability). Those who tried to make the report
non-partisan should not be criticized (as was done in the New York Times
book), they should be cheered.
JoeSpareBedroom - 22 Feb 2008 01:15 GMT
>> For you to trust the book, who would've had to write it? In other words,
>> name some sources or authors you would trust, if they presented the EXACT
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> non-partisan should not be criticized (as was done in the New York Times
> book), they should be cheered.

Again:

For you to trust the book, who would've had to write it? In other words,
name some sources or authors you would trust, if they presented the EXACT
SAME INFORMATION.
Mark A - 22 Feb 2008 02:56 GMT
> Again:
>
> For you to trust the book, who would've had to write it? In other words,
> name some sources or authors you would trust, if they presented the EXACT
> SAME INFORMATION.

It is not a question of "presenting the exact same information." It is a
question of interpretation and presenting the facts in context and having a
balanced view. Since I happen to know the facts in this case, anyone who
suggests that making the report non-partisan is somehow "watering down" the
report to favor only Bush, is distorting the truth (since the Dems
watered-down the culpability of Clinton also).

So what you and the New York Times (and others) may see as watering-down, is
an attempt to be non-partisan on both sides, and to address the problems
going forward rather than looking for a scapegoat for the 9/11 tragedy.
Those who did that should be praised, instead of skewered.
JoeSpareBedroom - 22 Feb 2008 03:01 GMT
>> Again:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> problems going forward rather than looking for a scapegoat for the 9/11
> tragedy. Those who did that should be praised, instead of skewered.

The author of the book in question HAPPENS TO BE a NYT reporter. The NYT did
not publish the book, nor did the NYT vet the information.
Mark A - 22 Feb 2008 03:43 GMT
> The author of the book in question HAPPENS TO BE a NYT reporter. The NYT
> did not publish the book, nor did the NYT vet the information.

The fact that the NYT hired him as a reporter, speaks both for the reporter
and the NYT.
JoeSpareBedroom - 22 Feb 2008 07:19 GMT
>> The author of the book in question HAPPENS TO BE a NYT reporter. The NYT
>> did not publish the book, nor did the NYT vet the information.
>
> The fact that the NYT hired him as a reporter, speaks both for the
> reporter and the NYT.

What other excuses do you pull out of your a.s for refusing to read books of
any kind?
larry moe 'n curly - 22 Feb 2008 03:24 GMT
> > Again:
> >
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> report to favor only Bush, is distorting the truth (since the Dems
> watered-down the culpability of Clinton also).

Not even Clinton watered-down his responsibility:  "I tried to get
Osama bin Laden, and I failed".

And remember that when the FBI finally concluded that al Qaeda was
behind the bombing of the USS cole, after GW Bush took office, he
never ordered any retaliation for it.  GW Bush never made any
proactive measures against al Qaeda.
JoeSpareBedroom - 22 Feb 2008 03:29 GMT
>> > Again:
>> >
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> never ordered any retaliation for it.  GW Bush never made any
> proactive measures against al Qaeda.

Here's an interesting source which backs up what you just said. Fox News,
the balanced source.

My question is related to Usama bin Ladin. I'm sure with all the military
intelligence that we have, they know where he and his deputies are. Why is
that we have not killed them, What has become of the military leadership in
this country? - Joseph, former military intelligent

Col. Hunt: Joseph, in 2005, Rumsfeld canceled such a mission. You are right
we do know, but we lack the political guts/will to do the right thing. Bin
Laden being alive all these years is a massive mistake - which is a mistake
we have made.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,289476,00.html
Mark A - 22 Feb 2008 04:07 GMT
> Here's an interesting source which backs up what you just said. Fox News,
> the balanced source.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,289476,00.html

Fox News frequently (more often than other networks) presents commentators
with differing opinions, even those on the left. There are Democrats in the
military who will say anything to embarrass Republicans, such as Gen. Wesley
Clark who ran for President as a Democrat in 2004.

Do we know where bin Laden is located (assuming he is alive)? Yes, probably
95% chance he is Pakistan.

Do we know where in Pakistan he is? Not exactly, we only know what region he
is in.

Can we kill bin Laden with the info we know about his probable location?
Only if we drop multiple nuclear bombs on Pakistan killing ten's of millions
of people.

Can we send troops into Pakistan to do door to door searches. Pakistan is a
sovereign nation, and an ally (at the moment), and such a move would not be
tolerated by Pakistan, the UN, or anyone of our other allies.
JoeSpareBedroom - 22 Feb 2008 07:21 GMT
>> Here's an interesting source which backs up what you just said. Fox News,
>> the balanced source.
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> Do we know where in Pakistan he is? Not exactly, we only know what region
> he is in.

At the period described by Hunt, we ***DID*** know where AQ operatives were
located. We knew enough to have special forces people actually loaded onto
aircraft and ready to go.

> Can we kill bin Laden with the info we know about his probable location?
> Only if we drop multiple nuclear bombs on Pakistan killing ten's of
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> a sovereign nation, and an ally (at the moment), and such a move would not
> be tolerated by Pakistan, the UN, or anyone of our other allies.

Did you just say the "sovereign nation" is a reason to not go after someone?

Did you really say that?

Yes, or no?
witfal - 22 Feb 2008 07:23 GMT
> Can we send troops into Pakistan to do door to door searches. Pakistan is
>> a sovereign nation, and an ally (at the moment), and such a move would not
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Yes, or no?

Popcorn time.
JoeSpareBedroom - 22 Feb 2008 07:26 GMT
>> Can we send troops into Pakistan to do door to door searches. Pakistan is
>>> a sovereign nation, and an ally (at the moment), and such a move would
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Popcorn time.

I'm tellin' ya....I'm seeing a Sopranos method for getting straight answers
out of some of the twats who come up with these theories. What went on in
some of these people's homes to make them totally unable to understand the
cockamamie things that came out of their own mouths?
Mark A - 23 Feb 2008 04:59 GMT
> Did you just say the "sovereign nation" is a reason to not go after
> someone?
>
> Did you really say that?
>
> Yes, or no?

Depends on whether you know for sure exactly where bin Laden is, or you (and
the colonel who is blowing smoke) just have a "hunch" of general location.
Clinton "knew" where bin Laden was, and what we got was a failed
assassination attempt that culminated in the 9/11 attacks.

No, you cannot invade Pakistan just because you have a hunch of the general
area where bin Laden is located. Pakistan has nuclear weapons and they can
deliver them.

Of the tens of thousands of US military officers, there is always a few
egomaniacs who come out of the woodworks and claim they (and US government)
knew where bin Laden is located. The are lying.
Mark A - 22 Feb 2008 03:57 GMT
> Not even Clinton watered-down his responsibility:  "I tried to get
> Osama bin Laden, and I failed".
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> never ordered any retaliation for it.  GW Bush never made any
> proactive measures against al Qaeda.

Clinton only tried to get bin Laden on one (and only one) day (although he
bombed two targets at the same time). Just coincidently (or maybe not a
coincidence) it was right after his grand jury testimony in the Monica
Lewinsky case, and one suspects (because he never went after bin Laden
again) that the assassination attempt was for the purpose of drawing
attention away from the scandal.
Scott  in  Florida - 22 Feb 2008 13:06 GMT
>And remember that when the FBI finally concluded that al Qaeda was
>behind the bombing of the USS cole, after GW Bush took office, he
>never ordered any retaliation for it.  GW Bush never made any
>proactive measures against al Qaeda.

ROFLMAO

You are nuts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Scott in Florida

larry moe 'n curly - 22 Feb 2008 03:16 GMT
> > For you to trust the book, who would've had to write it? In other words,
> > name some sources or authors you would trust, if they presented the EXACT
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> unfortunately there are always scum who want to use the death of 3000 people
> to blame everything on Bush

The 9/11 comission was headed by Democrat Lee Hamilton and Republican
James Baker.  Baker was Secretary of State during the real President
George Bush administration and has been a close friend to the Bush
family.  So what did Baker do to make the 9/11 report partisan against
Bush?

> (when it is easy to make the case that Clinton had much greater culpability).

Nonsense -- highly partisan, ignorant, unthinking nonsense.  The
Clinton administration warned GW Bush, in Jan. 2001, that al Qaeda was
the #1 terrorist threat, but just after Richard Clarke finished saying
this in his briefing, Condoleezza Rice presented her own briefing in
which she told GW Bush that the #1 terrorist threat was Iraq.  GW
Bush's own intelligence people told him, almost a month before the
9/11 attacks, "Bin Laden Determined to Attack in the US", but he did
nothing to stop him.

> Those who tried to make the report  non-partisan should not be criticized
> (as was done in the New York Times book), they should be cheered.

Unfortunately the people who did try to make the report partisan,
including the White House and the 9/11 comission's Republican
executive director (the person who ranked just below the
comissioners), succeeded and whitewashed some of the administration's
faults.
JoeSpareBedroom - 22 Feb 2008 03:25 GMT
>> > For you to trust the book, who would've had to write it? In other
>> > words,
[quoted text clipped - 40 lines]
> comissioners), succeeded and whitewashed some of the administration's
> faults.

I wonder where Rice gets her information from. Hmmm......guess who's still
reading bedtime stories to Washington insiders?

"By all credible accounts, the source of this dubious tale was Manucher
Ghorbanifar, an Iranian arms dealer who used middle-men and cut-outs to
create the appearance of several sources. Ghorbanifar played a key role in
the Iran-Contra scandal that threatened to take down the Reagan
administration, in which the U.S. sold arms to Iran and diverted the
proceeds to Nicaraguan militants.

While the various threads of the larger story of Ghorbanifar and his
intelligence peddling began in December of 2001, meetings in Paris in 2003
are far more important in illustrating -- as a microcosm -- the larger
difficulties faced in untangling the facts relating to global intelligence
trafficking."
Mark A - 22 Feb 2008 03:53 GMT
> Nonsense -- highly partisan, ignorant, unthinking nonsense.  The
> Clinton administration warned GW Bush, in Jan. 2001, that al Qaeda was
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> 9/11 attacks, "Bin Laden Determined to Attack in the US", but he did
> nothing to stop him.

Clinton is the one who tried to assassinate bin Laden on one (and only one)
occasion, and then never went after him again. The failed attempt against
bin Laden is what caused him to launch the 9/11 attacks. If you are going to
assassinate someone, if you fail, you can reasonably expect revenge. For the
remaining 2 years in office, Clinton did nothing against bin Laden or al
Qaeda. Clark is a crybaby who was passed over for job he wanted in the Bush
administration.

> Unfortunately the people who did try to make the report partisan,
> including the White House and the 9/11 comission's Republican
> executive director (the person who ranked just below the
> comissioners), succeeded and whitewashed some of the administration's
> faults.

How is that possible, considering all the Dems you mentioned on the
commission. The reason is that the Clinton administration was more culpable
than Bush, and everyone agreed to concentrate on what needs to be done in
the future, rather than look for a scapegoat.

Considering that Bush was only in office for less than 9 months on
9/22/2001, and Clinton was president for 8 years before that, it is absurd
to blame 9/11 on Bush. As you probably recall, the terrorists entered the US
and started flight training long before Bush took office. Once the plan was
set into motion (after the failed assassination attempt on bin Laden), and
the terrorists entered the US, killing bin Laden would not have prevented
the attack.
sharx35 - 21 Feb 2008 05:25 GMT
>> She has what the voters want:
>>
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> news.  Like Gonzales and so many others touched by Bush and Rove, Condi is
> toast.  Back to the oil business for her, and none too soon.

Unlike so many strident, dried-up LIEbrawl biatches, Condie is wet enough to
NOT need "oil", i.e. lubricant.

> http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/30/zelikow-interfered/
witfal - 21 Feb 2008 05:38 GMT
> Unlike so many strident, dried-up LIEbrawl biatches, Condie is wet enough to
> NOT need "oil", i.e. lubricant.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjKui1nt5N0
sharx35 - 21 Feb 2008 06:17 GMT
>> Unlike so many strident, dried-up LIEbrawl biatches, Condie is wet enough
>> to
>> NOT need "oil", i.e. lubricant.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjKui1nt5N0

Well, he made his bed..
witfal - 21 Feb 2008 06:19 GMT
>>> Unlike so many strident, dried-up LIEbrawl biatches, Condie is wet enough
>>> to
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>
> Well, he made his bed..

I don't EVEN want to have that image in my head.
sharx35 - 21 Feb 2008 06:27 GMT
>>>> Unlike so many strident, dried-up LIEbrawl biatches, Condie is wet
>>>> enough
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>
> I don't EVEN want to have that image in my head.

Or, Bill and Monica.  Take your pick.
witfal - 21 Feb 2008 06:32 GMT
>>> Well, he made his bed..
>>
>> I don't EVEN want to have that image in my head.
>
> Or, Bill and Monica.  Take your pick.

AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wickeddoll® - 20 Feb 2008 17:40 GMT
"Hachiroku" <...
> She has what the voters want:
>
> she's black, so the Obama supporters will vote for her.

*snip*

Not all blacks are voting for him.

:-P

Natalie
dbu - 20 Feb 2008 18:26 GMT
> "Hachiroku" <...
> > She has what the voters want:
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>
> Natalie

And not all women are voting for hillary.
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Scott  in  Florida - 20 Feb 2008 22:41 GMT
>"Hachiroku" <...
>> She has what the voters want:
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>
>Natalie

There are some 'thinking' blacks.....

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Wickeddoll® - 20 Feb 2008 23:07 GMT
"Scott in Florida"
"Wickeddoll®"
wrote:

>>"Hachiroku" <...
>>> She has what the voters want:
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>
> There are some 'thinking' blacks.....

And an equal amount of "unthinking" whites....

:-P

Natalie
Scott  in  Florida - 20 Feb 2008 23:28 GMT
>"Scott in Florida"
> "Wickeddoll®"
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>
>Natalie

Agreed.....

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F.H. - 20 Feb 2008 23:50 GMT
Scott in Florida wrote:

>> "Scott in Florida"
>> "Wickeddoll®"
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>
> Agreed.....

Getting shallow around here.
witfal - 21 Feb 2008 03:10 GMT
Some puke-bag racist said:  There are some 'thinking' blacks.....

> And an equal amount of "unthinking" whites....

Good show.  What a condescending prick.

Hey, Natalie, guess what?  SOME blacks can think.

Apparently better than some cracker-a.s racist in Florida.
JoeSpareBedroom - 21 Feb 2008 03:14 GMT
> Some puke-bag racist said:  There are some 'thinking' blacks.....
>>
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>
> Apparently better than some cracker-a.s racist in Florida.

Hey - where's the money you owe me, anyway?
witfal - 21 Feb 2008 03:24 GMT
>> Hey, Natalie, guess what?  SOME blacks can think.
>>
>> Apparently better than some cracker-a.s racist in Florida.
>
> Hey - where's the money you owe me, anyway?

The bank rejected the currency.  Said they'd never heard of "quatloos".
JoeSpareBedroom - 21 Feb 2008 03:29 GMT
>>> Hey, Natalie, guess what?  SOME blacks can think.
>>>
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>
> The bank rejected the currency.  Said they'd never heard of "quatloos".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4jIpJSGL3c
witfal - 21 Feb 2008 03:44 GMT
>>>> Hey, Natalie, guess what?  SOME blacks can think.
>>>>
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>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4jIpJSGL3c

Okay, okay.  If I ever get to Rochester, breakfast or lunch or dinner is on me.

Preferrably with several beers attached to either of the latter two.
Scott  in  Florida - 21 Feb 2008 13:02 GMT
>>>>> Hey, Natalie, guess what?  SOME blacks can think.
>>>>>
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>
>Preferrably with several beers attached to either of the latter two.

Now that is a picture!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The circle jerker's having beers together!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ROFLMAO

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larry moe 'n curly - 21 Feb 2008 15:37 GMT
Scott in Florida wrote:

> Now that is a picture!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> The circle jerker's having beers together!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And you're screaming in delight because of it.  You'll probably soak
your pillow in beer so you can dream of them, night after night.
witfal - 21 Feb 2008 15:53 GMT
> Scott in Florida wrote:
>
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> And you're screaming in delight because of it.  You'll probably soak
> your pillow in beer so you can dream of them, night after night.

Gosh.  I miss all the good posts.
larry moe 'n curly - 21 Feb 2008 00:20 GMT
> She has what the voters want:
>
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>
> http://www.funnyphotos.net.au/userimages/user756_1168230825.JPG

Buttaface, buttaface...

The big problem with Rice is that she's just plain incompetent and has
demonstrated no understanding of foreign policy, not even in regards
to Russia, her field of specialty.  Even the Israelis hold her in such
low regard that her name has come to mean doing lots of busy work but
accomplishing nothing.   Rice is like a very smart music professor
who's tone deaf and can barely sing or play a musical instrument.

Her future is as the head of the Hoover Institute.
JoeSpareBedroom - 21 Feb 2008 00:22 GMT
>> She has what the voters want:
>>
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>
> Her future is as the head of the Hoover Institute.

Ouch!   :-)
dbu - 21 Feb 2008 00:28 GMT
> >> She has what the voters want:
> >>
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>
> Ouch!   :-)

larrymoe is the site crackpot.
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JoeSpareBedroom - 21 Feb 2008 00:35 GMT
>> >> She has what the voters want:
>> >>
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>
> larrymoe is the site crackpot.

Yeah. He's the guy who confronts you with more facts and cites than anyone
else here. Crackpot indeed.

Tell me what he meant by his reference to "Hoover Institute".  C'mon. Teach
me something.
dbu - 21 Feb 2008 00:39 GMT
> >> >> She has what the voters want:
> >> >>
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> Tell me what he meant by his reference to "Hoover Institute".  C'mon. Teach
> me something.

But he has no facts.  That's what's so troubling.
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JoeSpareBedroom - 21 Feb 2008 00:41 GMT
>> >> >> She has what the voters want:
>> >> >>
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>
> But he has no facts.  That's what's so troubling.

Ignoring the facts he provides you with will not make them cease to exist.
Sorry.

And something else:  It wouldn't matter anyway. Do you remember why?  I'm
going to help you remember, and then, as always, you will vanish from the
discussion.

YOU DO NOT READ.  Do you need help remembering the stupid reasons you've
given in the past? Here they are:

1) You have eye problems.
2) All authors are biased.
3) Authors only write for the money they get paid, so they can't be trusted.
dbu - 21 Feb 2008 00:53 GMT
> >> >> .
> >> >> >
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> 2) All authors are biased.
> 3) Authors only write for the money they get paid, so they can't be trusted.

LOL.  jsb you cite some weak and improbable reasons.  I take your post
to be grasping again.  Maybe gasping would be better.  

What's your next leader?  Maybe I'll respond if I'm humored enough, but
more likely I'll go and paint the rest of the evening.
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JoeSpareBedroom - 21 Feb 2008 00:54 GMT
>> >> >> .
>> >> >> >
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> LOL.  jsb you cite some weak and improbable reasons.  I take your post
> to be grasping again.  Maybe gasping would be better.

Are you talking about the reasons you don't read?

> What's your next leader?  Maybe I'll respond if I'm humored enough, but
> more likely I'll go and paint the rest of the evening.

McCain
larry moe 'n curly - 21 Feb 2008 13:30 GMT
> But he has no facts.  That's what's so troubling.

Why shouldn't Rice eventually become of the Hoover Institute?  She was
the chief academic officer of Stanford, and that think tank is located
at Stanford.
larry moe 'n curly - 21 Feb 2008 13:23 GMT
> > >> She has what the voters want:
> > >>
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>
> larrymoe is the site crackpot.

And Scott is your lover whenever you can't find your pet goat.

What has Rice done well in foreign policy?  AFAIKT, keeping GW Bush
from invading Iran is her only success.
Hachiroku ハチロク - 21 Feb 2008 02:26 GMT
>>> She has what the voters want:
>>>
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>
> Ouch!   :-)

REALLY!!
 
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