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Don't Taze Me, Bro! - 22 Feb 2008 22:29 GMT
Barring Obama does or says something that just goes beyond silly then kiss
it goodbye for Hillary.

I am in Texas. I hear the voices and the word on the street. Hillary is
done. Obama will win Texas and he will easily secure Ohio. Superdelegates
are flocking to him now.

It is an Obama vs. McCain race and I suspect McCain will do his typical
(about face) and become dirty in desperation. Obama is the next President.

I am speaking strategically. Honestly, I wish we had a better choice.
Unfortunately, these are the a.s hats we are stuck with.
dbu - 22 Feb 2008 22:35 GMT
> Barring Obama does or says something that just goes beyond silly then kiss
> it goodbye for Hillary.
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> I am speaking strategically. Honestly, I wish we had a better choice.
> Unfortunately, these are the a.s hats we are stuck with.

Because the dimmies don't play by rules, hillary will be the nominee.  I
could be wrong of course, rare, but possible.
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Don't Taze Me, Bro! - 22 Feb 2008 22:39 GMT
> Because the dimmies don't play by rules, hillary will be the nominee.  I
> could be wrong of course, rare, but possible.

Actually, the Democrats have betrayed the Clintons... 4 years ago they use
to say how great the 8 years before Bush was... and now the call is how "we
need change from the last several Presidents." It is a typical, political,
about face. The Kennedys and others are down here rooting for Obama...
Jeff - 22 Feb 2008 22:54 GMT
>> Because the dimmies don't play by rules, hillary will be the nominee.  I
>> could be wrong of course, rare, but possible.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> need change from the last several Presidents." It is a typical, political,
> about face. The Kennedys and others are down here rooting for Obama...

How have Democrats betrayed Clinton? There wasn't any type of contract
with them.

The Democrats will decide who will run on their platform for office. It
is up to Clinton to make herself relevant to the Democrats, not the
other way around.

We don't owe Obama or Clinton a thing.

Jeff
bushhelpscorporationsdestroyamerica - 22 Feb 2008 23:02 GMT
> >> Because the dimmies don't play by rules, hillary will be the nominee.  I
> >> could be wrong of course, rare, but possible.
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>
> Jeff

Obama will be the next president if the secret service does their job,
looks like they want him killed though after not checking for weapons
at his last speech.
Don't Taze Me, Bro! - 22 Feb 2008 23:28 GMT
On Feb 22, 2:54 pm, Jeff <kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Obama will be the next president if the secret service does their job,
>looks like they want him killed though after not checking for weapons
>at his last speech.

That's kind of a non story and lord knows why Drudge is hyping it up...  all
of the bottom sections and most of the top sections of reunion arena were
full by time they started letting people in without checks. You would have
to be a pretty good shot to hit a single person with a hand gun from even
the closest row of the second deck.
HarryNadds - 23 Feb 2008 02:08 GMT
On Feb 22, 5:28 pm, "Don't Taze Me, Bro!" <No1Exis...@Earth1.net>
wrote:
> On Feb 22, 2:54 pm, Jeff <kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> to be a pretty good shot to hit a single person with a hand gun from even
> the closest row of the second deck.

You might be surprised how good a pissed off Texan can be with a
pistola.
Simpson - 23 Feb 2008 02:33 GMT
> On Feb 22, 5:28 pm, "Don't Taze Me, Bro!" <No1Exis...@Earth1.net>
> wrote:
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> You might be surprised how good a pissed off Texan can be with a
> pistola.

I hear they can be pretty mean with a chain and a pickup truck... as
long as they outnumber the crippled guy in the wheelchair.
HarryNadds - 23 Feb 2008 13:34 GMT
> > On Feb 22, 5:28 pm, "Don't Taze Me, Bro!" <No1Exis...@Earth1.net>
> > wrote:
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>
> - Show quoted text -

I have a challenge for you tough guy.Drive your Volvo to
Navasota,Texas with your "Al Gore for President" ",I'm a liberal and
I'm here to take your guns"," All Texans are losers and Rednecks"
bumper stickers and meet me at the Navasota Club. Then you can go
inside and tell all the redneck,racist losers what you think of
them.Be sure and have your life insurance paid up.I'll have an
ambulance on standby. You can view the a.s kicking later on YouTube,if
you're still alive.
Kevin Cunningham - 23 Feb 2008 15:21 GMT
> > > On Feb 22, 5:28 pm, "Don't Taze Me, Bro!" <No1Exis...@Earth1.net>
> > > wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> ambulance on standby. You can view the a.s kicking later on YouTube,if
> you're still alive.

Typical red neck.  Hates jews and African-Americans but won't leave
his trailer park.

A real repug, a real coward.
HarryNadds - 23 Feb 2008 02:07 GMT
On Feb 22, 5:02 pm, bushhelpscorporationsdestroyamerica
<bushhelpscorporati...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > >> Because the dimmies don't play by rules, hillary will be the nominee.  I
> > >> could be wrong of course, rare, but possible.
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>
> - Show quoted text -

Weapons !!?? In Texas ??!! NAAAAHHHHHHHHHH  !!!!!!!!
Jeff - 23 Feb 2008 02:09 GMT
<...>

> Weapons !!?? In Texas ??!! NAAAAHHHHHHHHHH  !!!!!!!!

As long as the Vice President is not hunting in the area, he'll be safe.

Jeff
bushhelpscorporationsdestroyamerica - 23 Feb 2008 02:10 GMT
> <...>
>
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>
> Jeff

texans are losers, look at the bush family, all losers
Jeff - 23 Feb 2008 02:18 GMT
>> <...>
>>
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>
> texans are losers, look at the bush family, all losers

There have been many wonderful Texans. Unfortunately, the current
President isn't a good example. Nor all the Bush family members losers.

Jeff
dbu - 23 Feb 2008 02:26 GMT
> >> <...>
> >>
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>
> Jeff

Jeff you need a life bud.
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Hillary Clinton

beerspill@whoever.com - 23 Feb 2008 02:49 GMT
> > texans are losers, look at the bush family, all losers
>
> There have been many wonderful Texans. Unfortunately, the current
> President isn't a good example. Nor all the Bush family members losers.

Name the family member who isn't a loser, that is, has no scandals, no
dumbness.
Scott  in  Florida - 23 Feb 2008 13:41 GMT
>> > texans are losers, look at the bush family, all losers
>>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Name the family member who isn't a loser, that is, has no scandals, no
>dumbness.

Our great President George W. Bush....

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Scott in Florida

beerspill@whoever.com - 23 Feb 2008 23:11 GMT
Scott in Florida wrote:

> >> > texans are losers, look at the bush family, all losers
> >>
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>
> Our great President George W. Bush....

Wrong.  Even he admitted to a DUI conviction.

Try again.
Jeff - 23 Feb 2008 23:31 GMT
> Scott in Florida wrote:
>>>>> texans are losers, look at the bush family, all losers
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Try again.

Does Bush drink any more?

Personally, I think Bush is very smart in some respects, but doesn't
have the ability to take in new information and come to good conclusions
based on it. In this sense, I think Bush is quite Dumb.

I respect Bush for giving up alcohol after he felt it was hurting his
life. If one wishes to attack Bush, there are enough stupid things Bush
has done, like decrease the US's support of science, decrease the
oversight of drug companies by the FDA, Bush's environmental policies,
his support of a war where the vast majority of the world were against
it, his failure to respond to an obvious risk with millions of people
buying mortgages they could not afford, and his choices for attorney
general.

Jeff
Mike hunt - 23 Feb 2008 23:50 GMT
You forget to blame the President for the hurricanes, floods and tornados
LOL

>> Scott in Florida wrote:
>>>>>> texans are losers, look at the bush family, all losers
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>
> Jeff
Jeff - 23 Feb 2008 23:58 GMT
> You forget to blame the President for the hurricanes, floods and tornados
> LOL
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>>
>> Jeff

Why would one blame him for those things?

He is not responsible for them. He was responsible for responding to the
Hurricanes in the Gulf in 2005. Yet there are people who still live
there in trailers.

Jeff
Mike hunt - 24 Feb 2008 00:23 GMT
I guess it depend on ones "STATE" of mind    LOL

>> You forget to blame the President for the hurricanes, floods and tornados
>> LOL
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>
> Jeff
sharx35 - 24 Feb 2008 06:37 GMT
>> You forget to blame the President for the hurricanes, floods and tornados
>> LOL
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>
> Jeff

Talking about your family again, eh?
witfal - 23 Feb 2008 02:35 GMT
>> <...>
>>
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>
> texans are losers, look at the bush family, all losers

Stand in the middle of downtown Austin, Corpus, Abilene, or San
Antonio, and yell at the top of your voice while displaying a placard
stating your assertion, "Texans are LOSERS!!!".

I'll then respect your opinion.
Scott  in  Florida - 23 Feb 2008 13:42 GMT
>>> <...>
>>>
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>
>I'll then respect your opinion.

In Spanish.....

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Scott in Florida

Don't Taze Me, Bro! - 23 Feb 2008 02:37 GMT
On Feb 22, 6:09 pm, Jeff <kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Jeff
>texans are losers, look at the bush family, all losers

The Texas congress has been democrat 100 years out of the last 108 years. 3
Govorners ago, we had a very liberal woman as gov.. That's not something I
am bragging about.

The Bush family is not "Texan..." Bush himself was not born in Texas.He was
born and reared in New Haven, Connecticut. In fact, technically... Bush
spent more of his life outside of Texas than in Texas.

Daddy Bush was born in Milton, Massachusetts and Prescott Bush was born in
Columbus, Ohio... and so forth...

All three were members of Skull and Bones at Yale... which is, of course, in
New Haven Connecticut...

Ya know? Up there in the Northeast where Ted Kennedy killed a woman? Where
Geronimo's head is? Where John Kerry attended university? etc etc etc
Don't Taze Me, Bro! - 22 Feb 2008 23:25 GMT
> How have Democrats betrayed Clinton? There wasn't any type of contract
> with them.

Batrayal does not have to include a contract. Batrayal happens all of the
time in politics (on both sides).

> We don't owe Obama or Clinton a thing.
>
> Jeff

Who said "we" do? and who is "we?"
HarryNadds - 23 Feb 2008 02:06 GMT
On Feb 22, 4:39 pm, "Don't Taze Me, Bro!" <No1Exis...@Earth1.net>
wrote:

> > Because the dimmies don't play by rules, hillary will be the nominee.  I
> > could be wrong of course, rare, but possible.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> need change from the last several Presidents." It is a typical, political,
> about face. The Kennedys and others are down here rooting for Obama...

The Kennedy's are rooting for Buckwheat because he's already owned by
the Kennedy mob.I can just hear the first meeting in a smoke filled
room after the Teddy's  pet coon becomes President :YOU'RE GONNA DO
WHAT BOY???!!! SIT YO' a.s DOWN OR I'LL GET A NOOSE YOU GODDAMNED
IDIOT !! SIT DOWN BOY AND DON"T SPEAK TILL I TELL YOU TO !!!
Simpson - 23 Feb 2008 02:31 GMT
> On Feb 22, 4:39 pm, "Don't Taze Me, Bro!" <No1Exis...@Earth1.net>
> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> WHAT BOY???!!! SIT YO' a.s DOWN OR I'LL GET A NOOSE YOU GODDAMNED
> IDIOT !! SIT DOWN BOY AND DON"T SPEAK TILL I TELL YOU TO !!!

Can you put on a clown suit and some big floppy shoes and dance a little
jig for us? Your credibility needs a boost.
beerspill@whoever.com - 23 Feb 2008 02:51 GMT
> The Kennedy's are rooting for Buckwheat

Who are you voting for?
witfal - 23 Feb 2008 02:54 GMT
>> The Kennedy's are rooting for Buckwheat
>
> Who are you voting for?

Buckwheat?  How positively Scott-ian.
Sushi Fish - 23 Feb 2008 17:07 GMT
On Feb 22, 2:39 pm, "Don't Taze Me, Bro!" <No1Exis...@Earth1.net>
wrote:

> > Because the dimmies don't play by rules, hillary will be the nominee.  I
> > could be wrong of course, rare, but possible.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> need change from the last several Presidents." It is a typical, political,
> about face. The Kennedys and others are down here rooting for Obama...

Never heard of this claim before but it is what I thought. Pres
Clinton did a stellar job, but time changes and we do need someone
very new such as Obama. I think both Ms Clinton and Obama are about
equal in most issues, but Obama has what her husband has: a
charismatic public figure.  Win against Ms Clinton is tough, the rest
against McCain is a child play. Americans want changes, deep changes,
taming GOP once and for all, remove them from congress and let Green
Party or others take over, and taming excessive gov spending and
channel resources to where it matters. America can't afford to have
very opposing Dem and GOP who dominate US presidency because they just
undo what other do previously.
Hachiroku ハチロク - 22 Feb 2008 22:40 GMT
> Barring Obama does or says something that just goes beyond silly then kiss
> it goodbye for Hillary.
>
> I am in Texas. I hear the voices and the word on the street. Hillary is
> done. Obama will win Texas and he will easily secure Ohio. Superdelegates
> are flocking to him now.

Never happen. The Handlers of the Democrat party will lobby the delegates
to vote for Hillary at the DNC.

Remember. the DNC is just like a caucus. Obama won't gain the nomination
until it's announced at the convention.

Don't hold your breath...

> It is an Obama vs. McCain race and I suspect McCain will do his typical
> (about face) and become dirty in desperation. Obama is the next President.
>
> I am speaking strategically. Honestly, I wish we had a better choice.
> Unfortunately, these are the a.s hats we are stuck with.
Cathy F. - 22 Feb 2008 23:16 GMT
> Barring Obama does or says something that just goes beyond silly then kiss
> it goodbye for Hillary.
>
> I am in Texas. I hear the voices and the word on the street. Hillary is
> done.

TX is one mighty large state.  What you hear on the street is not
necessarily what someone else hears on the street in their neck of the
woods.  Kinda like me (upstate NY) saying what I hear on the street... would
not necessarily what one out in the western part of the state or down in
Westchester, or out in Queens may hear.  The contest between Hillary C. &
Barack O. is certainly looking closer than was originally thought, though.
Last night's debate was pretty much an even deal, IMO.  I'm okay with either
one snagging the win & being the nominee.

> Obama will win Texas and he will easily secure Ohio. Superdelegates are
> flocking to him now.
>
> It is an Obama vs. McCain race and I suspect McCain will do his typical
> (about face) and become dirty in desperation. Obama is the next President.

I do think either Hillary or Obama will be the next president.  Don't think
McCain can outmatch either.

> I am speaking strategically. Honestly, I wish we had a better choice.
> Unfortunately, these are the a.s hats we are stuck with.

Whereas I am happy this time that I'm still undecided between H. Clinton or
B. Obama - both strong candidates.  Each one has their wekensses &
strenghths, but with each one their strengths win out over their weknesses.
And except for the fine points, they're really quite close re: various
issues.  The Democrats put forth a solid filed this time around, & winnowing
down to the final nominee has therefore become a long, slow process.

Cathy

P.S. I trimmed outt the Rush L. & Bush ngs - couldn't stnad the though of
even x-posting to them! ;-P
dbu - 22 Feb 2008 23:30 GMT


> I do think either Hillary or Obama will be the next president.  Don't think
> McCain can outmatch either.

I know you vote Democrat so your response is understandable.  Setting
that aside why do you think Hillary or Obama will be the next president?  
Why do you think McCain cannot outmatch either?
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Don't Taze Me, Bro! - 22 Feb 2008 23:42 GMT
>> I do think either Hillary or Obama will be the next president.  Don't
>> think
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> that aside why do you think Hillary or Obama will be the next president?
> Why do you think McCain cannot outmatch either?

If I may answer. It is for various reasons that I do not think McCain can
win. Everything from his looks, his age... to his previous stances. Many
conservatives will not show up because they do not believe he is
conservative enough.

Also, no matter if true or false, many in the nation want to see some kind
of change, regardless of what that change is. I personally see the reason
for the Iraq war, but much of America is tired of it and wants it ended.
McCain making comments like there will 100 years in Iraq, does not do him
much good.

There are many reasons I cannot see him winning barring a miracle and I am
speaking only on strategic terms. I do not want any of the candidates still
running as our President... but you cannot be happy all of the time.
Sam Hill - 23 Feb 2008 14:00 GMT
>>> I do think either Hillary or Obama will be the next president.  Don't
>>> think
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>speaking only on strategic terms. I do not want any of the candidates still
>running as our President... but you cannot be happy all of the time.

Florida has 27 electoral votes, Ohio has 21.  The next states I would watch
closely are Illinois with 21 and Michigan with 17.  If the elections are
dishonest, it won't matter what the people want.  

We should be concerned about McCain loosing too.  If he does, Bush may not
leave the White House.  He'll attack Iran, declare a national emergency and
stay in his office until......?
Scott  in  Florida - 23 Feb 2008 14:21 GMT
>We should be concerned about McCain loosing too.  If he does, Bush may not
>leave the White House.  He'll attack Iran, declare a national emergency and
>stay in his office until......?  

Now there is a good idea.

A hell of a lot better than the three choices we have now.....

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Jeff - 22 Feb 2008 23:43 GMT
>  
>> I do think either Hillary or Obama will be the next president.  Don't think
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> that aside why do you think Hillary or Obama will be the next president?  
> Why do you think McCain cannot outmatch either?

I have a great deal of respect for McCain. He has shown outstanding
leadership ability when he was in the Navy. However, I don't think his
policies are appropriate. He, like Clinton, voted to let Bush go into
Iraq. And he backed the war far more than Clinton did. I also think his
economic policy of continuing the deficit is not a good one, either.

I didn't think Bush could outmatch Kerry and Edwards, either. But he
did. My opinion is that Americans do not go out and seek accurate
information about what is going on. In March 2003, only 35% of Americans
correctly perceived that most people were opposed to going to war with
Iraq. In May 2003, 22% thought Iraq used chemical or biological weapons
against US troops. In Sept. 2003, 24% of Americans thought the US had
evidence of WMD in Iraq. And, last year, 33% thought that Saddam Hussein
was personally involved in the WTC attacks. (Iraq never used chemical or
biological weapons against the US, the US found no WMDs, and Hussein
never was personally involved in the 9/11 attacks.)

Americans seem to be duped by the news of the moment, but rarely look at
the big picture when choosing leaders. IMHO, it is because of this that
Americans didn't choose a leader because he was a good leader, but
whatever the whim is.

Likely, relatively few Americans will look closely at the issues and
candidates before voting this November. That applies whether Obama,
Clinton or McCain wins.

Jeff
Don't Taze Me, Bro! - 22 Feb 2008 23:45 GMT
> Americans seem to be duped by the news of the moment,

The News has congress and the President sounding like the offspring of
Hitler...
Jeff - 22 Feb 2008 23:50 GMT
>> Americans seem to be duped by the news of the moment,
>
> The News has congress and the President sounding like the offspring of
> Hitler...

Depends on which news you  here.

People who listened to primarily Fox news had at least 1 false belief
about the Iraq war while less 1/4 of those who listened to NPR or PBS
had a false belief about the Iraq war.

My reference is  "Getting Duped" by Yvonne Raley and Robert Talisse in
the Feb/March issue of "Scientific American Mind." p16-17.

www.sciammind.com is the website (but I don't know what you need to
access the article - I have the print version).
wbyeats@ireland.com - 23 Feb 2008 00:12 GMT
>>> Americans seem to be duped by the news of the moment,
>>
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>about the Iraq war while less 1/4 of those who listened to NPR or PBS
>had a false belief about the Iraq war.

Gee, I wonder why? Maybe because of the civilized dialogue which
exists on the Lehrer Report? Maybe because of the accurate reporting
on Frontline? But most likely due to the education and intelligence
level of the watchers/listeners of PBS/NPR vs. Fox. Ya think?

WB Yeats
Proud supporter of KQED since the mid-60's
HarryNadds - 23 Feb 2008 02:10 GMT
On Feb 22, 6:12 pm, wbye...@ireland.com wrote:

> >>> Americans seem to be duped by the news of the moment,
>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> WB Yeats
> Proud supporter of KQED since the mid-60's

 NPR ?? Now THAT's an unbiased news report if there ever was one
(snicker-snicker).
beerspill@whoever.com - 23 Feb 2008 02:59 GMT
>   NPR ?? Now THAT's an unbiased news report if there ever was one
> (snicker-snicker).

What are some specific examples of their bias?
witfal - 23 Feb 2008 03:05 GMT
>> NPR ?? Now THAT's an unbiased news report if there ever was one
>> (snicker-snicker).
>
> What are some specific examples of their bias?

I won't even try to answer that.

Google is your friend:  NPR +bias
beerspill@whoever.com - 23 Feb 2008 23:30 GMT
> >> NPR ?? Now THAT's an unbiased news report if there ever was one
> >> (snicker-snicker).
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Google is your friend:  NPR +bias

Got mostly hysterical "NPR sucks"-type hits.  OTOH Wiki, which can't
be any worse than them, said:

"In a December 2005 column run by NPR ombudsman and former Vice
President Jeffrey Dvorkin denied allegations that NPR relies heavily
on conservative think-tanks.[13] In his column, Dvorkin listed the
number of times NPR had cited experts from conservative and liberal
think tanks in the previous year. However, according to MediaMatters,
the numbers he reported indicate an overwhelmingly conservative bias.
His own tally showed that 63% of NPR experts from think tanks came
from from right-leaning organizations while only 37% came from left-
leaning organizations."   http://mediamatters.org/items/200512150013

Another one of the calmer hits, FAIR - Fairness and Accuracy In Media,
said:

"Despite the commonness of such claims, little evidence has ever been
presented for a left bias at NPR , and FAIR's latest study gives it no
support. Looking at partisan sources--including government officials,
party officials, campaign workers and consultants--Republicans
outnumbered Democrats by more than 3 to 2 (61 percent to 38 percent).
A majority of Republican sources when the GOP controls the White House
and Congress may not be surprising, but Republicans held a similar
though slightly smaller edge (57 percent to 42 percent) in 1993, when
Clinton was president and Democrats controlled both houses of
Congress. And a lively race for the Democratic presidential nomination
was beginning to heat up at the time of the 2003 study.

Partisans from outside the two major parties were almost nowhere to be
seen, with the exception of four Libertarian Party representatives who
appeared in a single story (Morning Edition , 6/26/03).

Republicans not only had a substantial partisan edge, individual
Republicans were NPR 's most popular sources overall, taking the top
seven spots in frequency of appearance. George Bush led all sources
for the month with 36 appearances, followed by Defense Secretary
Donald Rumsfeld (8) and Sen. Pat Roberts (6). Senate Majority Leader
Bill Frist, Secretary of State Colin Powell, White House press
secretary Ari Fleischer and Iraq proconsul Paul Bremer all tied with
five appearances each.

Senators Edward Kennedy, Jay Rockefeller and Max Baucus were the most
frequently heard Democrats, each appearing four times. No
nongovernmental source appeared more than three times. With the
exception of Secretary of State Powell, all of the top 10 most
frequently appearing sources were white male government officials."
www.fair.org/index.php?page=1180

NPR's anti-Israel bias:  http://tinyurl.com/2cpner

NPR's pro-Israel bias:  www.counterpunch.org/pace04062007.html
Jeff - 23 Feb 2008 23:35 GMT
Perhaps the problem is that as people become better informed with NPR
and PBS, they become liberal after learning the truth.

Look at how uniformed some of the conservatives are. One made a comment
about a type of coal mining that showed he had total ignorance of what
was being talked, but never figured it.

Jeff
Mike hunt - 23 Feb 2008 23:47 GMT
Most of us never took you to be a conservative.   LOL

> Perhaps the problem is that as people become better informed with NPR and
> PBS, they become liberal after learning the truth.
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>
> Jeff
Jeff - 23 Feb 2008 23:56 GMT
> Most of us never took you to be a conservative.   LOL
>
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>>
>> Jeff

Mike, you're a piece of work. You made a comment that mines in
Pennsylvania were not on the mountain tops when we were discussing
mining in the Appalachia region, which one could quickly determine goes
from New York State to Mississippi. In addition, a quick google search
determines that mountaintop mining is common in some parts of WV and
other states.

You're not only a prime example of a conservative who is uninformed,
you're an example a conservative who has shown an inability to
assimilate new information or an unwillingness to learn new information
or both.

In fact, your recent post about brakes indicates an inability to
concentrate long enough to comprehend a paragraph.

Jeff
Mike hunt - 24 Feb 2008 00:45 GMT
DUH as one would expect you have not idea what you are talking about.   The
coal in not in the mountains, the mountains are, for the most part, bed
rock.  The Appalachian Mountains, which were once higher than the hymalias
were eroded away beginning millions of years ago and up till the last Ice
age.   There is NO coal below the red-shale and the red-shale is above the
bed rock.. The coal lies in about seven different veins, generally
hundredsof feet below a valley that has coal, not all have coal.  While the
mountain curve up and over the coal veins curve down and up between the
red-shale outcroppings

    LOL

>> Most of us never took you to be a conservative.   LOL
>>
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>
> Jeff
Jeff - 24 Feb 2008 03:28 GMT
> DUH as one would expect you have not idea what you are talking about.   The
> coal in not in the mountains, the mountains are, for the most part, bed
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>>
>> Jeff

The mountains are still being eroded away. Erosion did not stop with the
ice age.

In Western PA, the Main Bituminous Field covers a huge section of
western PA, as well as parts of WV and OH. The coal is in pretty flat beds.

In Eastern PA, the coal is folder more. As you can see in Fig. of this
publication from the Commonwealth
(http://www.dcnr.state.pa.us/topogeo/education/coal/es7.pdf), the coal
beds are folded and broken more in eastern PA.

If I am incorrect, explain why the are blowing the tops of the mountains
in WV and other places in the Appalachian mountains. You're making an
argument of why they shouldn't be mining at the tops of the mountains.
Yet, they are finding coal there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountaintop_mining
http://www.ilovemountains.org

Again, you're wrong. I would say you were mistaken, but when the
information is handed to you, and you don't either read it or you are
unable to comprehend it, mistaken is not the correct word.

It goes back to my old comment: You're better off keeping your mouth
shut and letting us think you are a fool than open it and leaving no doubt.

Once again, you leave no doubt.

Jeff
Scott  in  Florida - 24 Feb 2008 03:58 GMT
>Perhaps the problem is that as people become better informed with NPR
>and PBS, they become liberal after learning the truth.
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>
>Jeff

No thinking person is ever a liberal.......

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wbyeats@ireland.com - 23 Feb 2008 15:18 GMT
>On Feb 22, 6:12 pm, wbye...@ireland.com wrote:
>>
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>  NPR ?? Now THAT's an unbiased news report if there ever was one
>(snicker-snicker).

A perfect example of the bottom dwelling ignoramuses who watch Fox.
NPR/PBS is the most nonpartisan broadcaster in the media, and is the
network most trusted by the US population for accurate reporting. Look
it up, Bozo.

WB Yeats
badgolferman - 23 Feb 2008 16:42 GMT
> A perfect example of the bottom dwelling ignoramuses who watch Fox.
> NPR/PBS is the most nonpartisan broadcaster in the media, and is the
> network most trusted by the US population for accurate reporting.

Is this the same network that is funded by the government?  The same
government that always has strings attached when handing out money?
That same government that is always trying to expand itself and get
more money from the common person?

Wasn't there a report in the last year or so where NPR admitted to a
liberal bias?

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support of Paul." ~ George Bernard Shaw

sharx35 - 24 Feb 2008 06:38 GMT
>>On Feb 22, 6:12 pm, wbye...@ireland.com wrote:
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
>
> WB Yeats

Best get YOUR drugs adjusted: NPR/PBS is chockfull of lefties.
wbyeats@ireland.com - 24 Feb 2008 15:32 GMT
>>>On Feb 22, 6:12 pm, wbye...@ireland.com wrote:
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>
>Best get YOUR drugs adjusted: NPR/PBS is chockfull of lefties.

If you say so. But you just go ahead and watch Fox along with the
other barbarians and mental midgets. What's the matter - PBS use words
you can't understand?

WB Yeats
Hal Womack 3-dan - 24 Feb 2008 18:54 GMT
OF LOVE AND HATRED IN THEIR RIGHT PLACES;
FURTHER ON BE ABLE TO DISTINGUISH PAUL WOLFOWITZ FROM MUHAMMAD ALI

By Hal Womack 3-dan

http://www.flickr.com/photos/halwomack/
http://www.myspace.com/halwomack

Harry Nadds above in this thread may speak for hissef and his mutt
pissing on the garbage can in the alley behind the Navasota Club but
what's
the poop with the pop of nearby Flatonia or, likewise, of Shiner, the
next town down? Threatening to beat up an outnumbered stranger, now
what kind of Southren hospitality's that supposed to be, anyway?
Besides being a declaration of intellectual bankruptcy and, being that
this's the vasty spaciousness of the Usenet rather than FTF in the
bar, really a .sig for Walter Mitty's idiot son.

Then along comes one Kevin Cunningham to harry ol' Nadds for what he
ain't done in the passage quoted, namely, trying to incite hatred
against "jews"
[sic] and "African-Americans" or, as they are more commonly known in
the back of the bus, niggers. Whereas KC's thumbing his nose at
presumably poor white folk who live in trailer parks.
So KC belongs to the River Oaks Country Club over there by Westheimer
Road or does that have too many "Repugs" like Ron Paul, for example?

Duty calls me shrilly this Sunday morning but I'll stay to preach just
a bit
over these two buffoons, if this label may be stuck on here WADRT or
"With All Due Respect To" the parties involved: Whoever did first say
"hate the sin and love the sinner" ? I'd really like to know. 'Tis a
bit hard, I believe, to nail down the _locus classicus_ for this
homely injunction. The word "sin" has a highly subjective meaning for
many believers of various sects,
like shaking your johnson more than three times at the urinal or
eating pork chops. Boy, we got billions against the chops! Of which
me, I'm very fonda myself.

So we should love everbody including even the very worst like
--now, Dear Reader, what names would _you_ stick in here?
I'll go with the Clintons, Bushes, Sulzbergerz (yo, there in Flatonia,
think "NYT"), Chief Rabbi Yona Metzger of Israel and like that, dig ?
Usually that phrase "tough love"s a sign of a definite turd in the
soup bowl, spiritually speaking. Comes up when the bozo Prod
preacher's telling the parents to lock up their  teenager in the loony
bin and dose him with Thorazine to keep him off dee evil Weed. This
here at hand be the only kind of case   coming to mind where "tough
love" fits true. Lock up all these
murdering sons of bitches so we can show 'em how we love'm.

In the last two decades alone the Demublicans, under the misguidance
of the Jews, have foully slain some 9,000,000
[nine million] people in Iraq and Afghanistan alone, leaving
out Lebanon, Palestine, Colombia, McClennan County and the rest of the
Planet. That's according to our best available estimates. This
proposition utterly serious and requires great personal strength to
wrap one's mind around it. Got integrity?

Of the national groups in this country, the Jews are by far the most
likely effectively to support such atrocities whereas the blacks and
Latinos oppose them and normal alias "gentile" whites in the middle,
with many bought off by the Pentagon's money machine.
....................................................................

Protocol: Top posting 'cause that way makes most sense to me
and placing the reply at the bottom of the thread as it appears on my
Google newsreader. BTW does some friendly expert want to recommend a
better newsreader aka Usenet access tool,
especially for posting, then I'm all ear.

===============================
Alpha =
Newsgroups: alt.autos.toyota, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics,
alt.politics.bush, tx.politics
From: HarryNadds <hoofhearte...@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 05:34:15 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sat, Feb 23 2008 5:34 am
Subject: Re: Hillary is done... Obama will win!

Alpha =
> I have a challenge for you tough guy.Drive your Volvo to
> Navasota,Texas with your "Al Gore for President" ",I'm a liberal and
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> ambulance on standby. You can view the a.s kicking later on YouTube,if
> you're still alive.

Beta = {Typical red neck.  Hates jews and African-Americans but won't
leave
his trailer park.

A real repug, a real coward.}

Beta =
Newsgroups: alt.autos.toyota, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics,
alt.politics.bush, tx.politics
From: Kevin Cunningham <sms...@mindspring.com>
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 07:21:41 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sat, Feb 23 2008 7:21 am
Subject: Re: Hillary is done... Obama will win!

=========================================
On Feb 24, 7:32 am, wbye...@ireland.com wrote:

> ><wbye...@ireland.com> wrote in message
> >news:k4e0s35ubhlh676qr6jsb5am84duon3h8l@4ax.com...
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>
> WB Yeats

================================
Hot Links:

Abir Aramin, age 9, murdered by the Jews
on Tuesday, January 16, 2007, her picture:
http://tinyurl.com/2l6ogh
An Israeli mother, a Jewess, comments on the story:
http://tinyurl.com/3amvos
http://www.rafahtoday.org/
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_h3P7POHnJc
...............................................................

Here's the link to what I wrote on the eve of SonnaBush's (fronting
for Aerial Shaboom) invasion of Iraq:
http://tinyurl.com/2xcvdo

(The tag end of the piece was stuck on rather roughly by the HANDSTAND
editor & could profit from a bit of pruning.)

If any reader can find another article from that critical moment which
has better stood the test of time, will she please be so kind as to
tell me about it?
...........................................................................
For Susan Abulhawa's new novel of Palestine, SCAR OF DAVID (2006)
http://www.scarofdavid.com/blog/index.php?page_id=5
OR
http://tinyurl.com/2n77bo
...................................................................

http://www.americanfreepress.net/

FINAL JUDGMENT by Michael Collins Piper, first published in 1994 and
now in its 6th edition, lays out the Jewish background to the JFK hit
in >600 fascinating pages (which badly need editing, evenso --attn:
M&W).

(See the AFP site above also for the moving letter of 29 November 2006
from Mahmoud Ahmadinejad,
President of the Islamic Republic of Iran, directly addressed to
"Noble Americans" --maybe your local jewspaper forgot to pass it along
to you?)

On the AFP site linked above I just now (Tuesday 071211)
found the following Michael More out-take from Sicko about a certain
northern country:
http://tinyurl.com/23zgxu
.....................................................................

Five Principal Joojingo or "JJ" resources:
1.  http://www.aipac.org/
2. The Bronfmen @ http://www.acbp.net/
3. http://www.jinsa.org/home/home.html
4. http://www.adl.org/
5. http://www.hasbara.co.il/

Four Righteous Jewish Antidotes:
1. http://www.ostrovskyfineart.com/index.htm
2. http://www.nkusa.org/index.cfm
3. http://www.israelshamir.net/
4. http://tinyurl.com/3c9jm8 OR
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/08/18/136217
........................................................

US Alliance Afghan Genocide -
Six Million Excess Deaths?

By Dr Gideon Polya

08 November, 2007 Countercurrents.org

http://tinyurl.com/36ylq2                        OR

http://www.countercurrents.org/polya081107.htm

..........................................................................

All rise,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRvVzaQ6i8A
http://www.counterpunch.org/dolby04032007.html
This clip was the first time I ever saw Marvin Gaye perform. The word
in my mind = "composure".
..........................................................................
Kidz Today:
A) Iron Maiden The Trooper By Gauchos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_4aGXTHo7w&mode=related&search
B) The Impeach Bush Club Parade
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4606006427048738351
...............................................................
Flag of USrael:
http://www.nogw.com/images/inminds.jpg
http://www.ussliberty.org/
http://www.aztlan.net/women_martyrs.htm
http://www.jewwatch.com/
http://margaritaville.com/
[cartoon panel]
http://tinyurl.com/2kyyc9                                  OR
http://www.miqel.com/images_1/random_image/r1/get-your-war-on2.gif
.............................................
http://www.hizbollah.org/
http://tinyurl.com/2r3stp
http://peyote.com/gardening-pictures/peyote.jpg
http://tinyurl.com/3dlhhb
http://www.currentissues.tv/
http://www.waco93.com/
("Nadine Eats Pizza in Ramallah")
http://www.israelshamir.net/Contributors/Contributor47.htm
http://tinyurl.com/yqd75d                  (Akaber Zaid)
http://www.counterpunch.org/levy03272006.html
http://vcnv.org/
http://www.johnpilger.com/page.asp?partid=1
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=491
http://www.americanempireproject.com/index.asp
http://www.lucasgray.com/video/peacetrain.html
http://www.rense.com/1.imagesD/dbaby4.jpg
http://www.nelsonmandela.org/
http://www.parnasse.com/gaia.jpg
http://www.sf911truth.org/
http://www.documentaryphotographs.com/
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html
http://www.aztlan.net/
http://www.valleyofthewolvesiraq.com/high/main.html
http://www.johnkaminski.com/
http://electronicintifada.net/new.shtml
http://dahrjamailiraq.com/index.php
http://antiwar.com/
http://www.veteransforpeace.org/
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/index.htm
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/
http://www.infowars.com/
http://english.wafa.ps/default.asp
http://www.araboo.com/site/arab-aaug-asq-9777
http://www.al-awda.org/
http://www.imemc.org/
http://www.vcnv.org/
http://www.ziopedia.org/content/view/3301/58/
http://antiwar.com/
http://www.cnionline.org/
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=
http://www.honestmediatoday.com/index.htm
http://prorev.com/indexa.htm
http://www.thankyoult.org/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1
http://www.deiryassin.org/index1.html
http://www.marwenmedia.com/index.html
http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
http://www.thehandstand.org/
http://www.malaysiasun.com/
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/
http://tinyurl.com/79t3d
http://tinyurl.com/yt4tym ("Let It Be!")

http://www.fuckinggoogleit.com/
Results 1 - 10 of about 1,150 for "free your mind, the rest will
follow".
Cathy F. - 23 Feb 2008 01:21 GMT
>> I do think either Hillary or Obama will be the next president.  Don't
>> think
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> that aside why do you think Hillary or Obama will be the next president?
> Why do you think McCain cannot outmatch either?

McCain isn't conservative enough for many conservatives, he doesn't
represent enough of a change from the present administration - esp. re: the
war in Iraq which many people want to see end, he doesn't have the charisma
nor the sort of "let's make things better!" image the others do.  He managed
to come from behind - but then the conservative/Republican field of
candidates was on the mediocre side; the others weren't strong contenders to
begin with.  Whereas the Democrats tend to feel this time around that not
only do they have one strong possibility, they actually have two who are
worthy of being the nominee.  (And many had felt three - when John Edwards
was still in the mix.)  And though it's not a major sticking point since he
appears to be in good health with lots of energy, there's McCain's age; he's
considerably older than the others - a possible second term in the future
would bring him up to ~80.

Cathy
dbu - 23 Feb 2008 02:27 GMT
> >> I do think either Hillary or Obama will be the next president.  Don't
> >> think
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> Cathy

You need to stop watching or at the least quit believing the TV media.
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Cathy F. - 23 Feb 2008 04:41 GMT
>> >> I do think either Hillary or Obama will be the next president.  Don't
>> >> think
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>
> You need to stop watching or at the least quit believing the TV media.

So, what acc. to you, is false in what I put forth as the reasons?  And
then, how would you know if they're false?  And why should I believe you?

You'll likely make up some non-answer that will only serve to make the
discussion go around in cicrcles. BTDT w/you.  Too many times.

Cathy
Don't Taze Me, Bro! - 22 Feb 2008 23:38 GMT
>> Barring Obama does or says something that just goes beyond silly then
>> kiss it goodbye for Hillary.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> would not necessarily what one out in the western part of the state or
> down in

Indeed, but you get a feel for how your state votes and over time you get an
idea of how things come to pass. I think as far as registered Democrats go
that Obama will win by a very large margin. We will see if my guess comes to
pass March 4th.
Cathy F. - 23 Feb 2008 01:22 GMT
>>> Barring Obama does or says something that just goes beyond silly then
>>> kiss it goodbye for Hillary.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> go that Obama will win by a very large margin. We will see if my guess
> comes to pass March 4th.

Overall NY votes Democrat.  But many upstate vote Republican.

Cathy
Scott  in  Florida - 23 Feb 2008 00:43 GMT
>I trimmed outt the Rush L. & Bush ngs - couldn't stnad the though of
>even x-posting to them! ;-P

Oh....the truth bothers you?

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Cathy F. - 23 Feb 2008 01:24 GMT
>>I trimmed outt the Rush L. & Bush ngs - couldn't stnad the though of
>>even x-posting to them! ;-P
>
> Oh....the truth bothers you?

Idiocy bothers me.

Cathy
Scott  in  Florida - 23 Feb 2008 01:59 GMT
>>>I trimmed outt the Rush L. & Bush ngs - couldn't stnad the though of
>>>even x-posting to them! ;-P
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>Cathy

What does Rush say that isn't the truth?

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dbu - 23 Feb 2008 02:28 GMT
> >>I trimmed outt the Rush L. & Bush ngs - couldn't stnad the though of
> >>even x-posting to them! ;-P
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Cathy

Bothers who?  You??
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Cathy F. - 23 Feb 2008 04:43 GMT
>> >>I trimmed outt the Rush L. & Bush ngs - couldn't stnad the though of
>> >>even x-posting to them! ;-P
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Bothers who?  You??

Huh?  Yeah, me.  Who the hell else would it be if I'm the one who answered
the question with the pronoun "me"?

Cathy
Wayne - 22 Feb 2008 23:49 GMT
> Barring Obama does or says something that just goes beyond silly then kiss
> it goodbye for Hillary.
>
> I am in Texas. I hear the voices and the word on the street. Hillary is
> done. Obama will win Texas and he will easily secure Ohio. Superdelegates
> are flocking to him now.

The voices on the street....are they speaking spanish.  IOW, can HiLIARy
pull out the hispanic vote?  I think she still has a chance, because the
rules for her are just "guidelines".
Wickeddoll® - 23 Feb 2008 00:44 GMT
"Don't Taze Me, Bro!" > Barring Obama does or says something that just goes
beyond silly then kiss
> it goodbye for Hillary.
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> I am speaking strategically. Honestly, I wish we had a better choice.
> Unfortunately, these are the a.s hats we are stuck with.

I was absolutely stunned that my (very liberal) daughter just *hates*
Hillary!

She calls her "Hit-ler-y", like some of you do.  She apparently has one a
lot of research and says Hillary is the *last* person anyone should vote for
in November.

I'm still shocked.  If a "flaming liberal" like my daughter isn't behind
her, what does that say for her standing in the party?  Not much.

Natalie
Hachiroku ハチロク - 23 Feb 2008 01:22 GMT
> She calls her "Hit-ler-y",

I knew she was a smart girl!
Cathy F. - 23 Feb 2008 01:29 GMT
> "Don't Taze Me, Bro!" > Barring Obama does or says something that just
> goes beyond silly then kiss
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>
> Natalie

That's my only real concern, re: Hillary.  That despite my agreement with
her on most issues, & that I think she is one very smart cookie who is
well-versed & ready for virtually any situation she would come up against as
President, that she could be as divisive for the country as GWB (AKA Shrub)
has been.  Because (for a reason which rather eludes me) many people - in
the US - absolutely hate her.  OTOH, I think she would do well re: regaining
the U.S.'s standing in the eyes of the rest of the world - I don't think she
would alienate various people/countries around the globe as GWB has managed
to do.

Cathy
Jeff - 23 Feb 2008 01:30 GMT
>> "Don't Taze Me, Bro!" > Barring Obama does or says something that just
>> goes beyond silly then kiss
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
> would alienate various people/countries around the globe as GWB has managed
> to do.

While I agree with you about Hilary, I think the same is true about Obama.

Some people don't like her because she's a women. And some people don't
like her because she aggressive. Some people don't like her because she
is an aggressive woman. And some people don't like her because they
don't like her husband.

Maybe for our first female president, we should get Dr. Cheney.

Jeff

> Cathy
Wickeddoll® - 23 Feb 2008 02:12 GMT
"Jeff" ...
>> "Wickeddoll®" ...
>>> "Don't Taze Me, Bro!" > Barring Obama does or says something that just
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
>
> While I agree with you about Hilary, I think the same is true about Obama.

My husband and I were discussing how having Obama in the White House might
help our international image, which has taken a real drubbing.  How?  The
hostile (terrorist) governments may be more open to a man of color.  This
country has always been lead by white men; maybe Obama will be better
accepted.  Hillary may not, because some of those countries do not consider
women as competent leaders.  Keep in mind that when hostages are taken,
blacks and women were released.  I can't say why that is, but there ya go.

Having said that, voting for Obama based solely on his race, is just as bad
as voting *against* him for the same reason.  I haven't decided who I'm
voting for yet, but as an independent, I'm mulling them all over.

> Some people don't like her because she's a women. And some people don't
> like her because she aggressive. Some people don't like her because she is
> an aggressive woman. And some people don't like her because they don't
> like her husband.

She can't seem to win with some people.  When she's strong, she's considered
cold, when she shows emotion, she's considered a wimp.

> Maybe for our first female president, we should get Dr. Cheney.
>
> Jeff

LOL

Natalie
dbu - 23 Feb 2008 02:31 GMT
> "Jeff" ...
> >> "Wickeddoll®" ...
[quoted text clipped - 64 lines]
>
> Natalie

Obama is just another talking head.  Nothing there except for "change".  
What in hell does that mean?
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Cathy F. - 23 Feb 2008 04:37 GMT
>> "Jeff" ...
>> >> "Wickeddoll®" ...
<snipped>
>> >>> I was absolutely stunned that my (very liberal) daughter just *hates*
>> >>> Hillary!
[quoted text clipped - 52 lines]
>> considered
>> cold, when she shows emotion, she's considered a wimp.
<snipped>
>> Natalie
>
> Obama is just another talking head.  Nothing there except for "change".
> What in hell does that mean?

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

Cathy
Scott  in  Florida - 23 Feb 2008 13:51 GMT
>>> "Jeff" ...
>>> >> "Wickeddoll®" ...
[quoted text clipped - 64 lines]
>
>Cathy

That is the biggest crock of horse sh.t I've ever read.

NOTHING in there about the real reason you can spout your liberal
crap....the Military.

He is the most liberal member of the US Senate.

The Perfect Negro is a piece of sh.t.

He says NOTHING.

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dbu - 23 Feb 2008 17:15 GMT
> >>> "Jeff" ...
> >>> >> "Wickeddoll®" ...
[quoted text clipped - 75 lines]
>
> He says NOTHING.

If he gets elected you can kiss your guns goodbye

<http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=3561>

He (Obama) and Kennedy are the same when it comes to gun control.
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Mike hunt - 23 Feb 2008 18:57 GMT
Some think O'bama is Irish   ;)

>> >>> "Jeff" ...
>> >>> >> "Wickeddoll." ...
[quoted text clipped - 99 lines]
>
> He (Obama) and Kennedy are the same when it comes to gun control.
Jeff - 23 Feb 2008 19:38 GMT
> Some think O'bama is Irish   ;)

Obama's father was from Kenya.

However, going back about six generations, you will see that his great,
great,great grandfather was Falmouth Kearny, who was born in Ireland and
arrived on the ship Marmion in 1850. The family settled in Virgina
(where it is now WV) and eventually moved out west. He is also a
decendent of the McCurrys, Mackeys and Dunhams.

Obama is also of Irish descent. Stanley Obama was also of Scottish royal
descent according to Wikipedia. His mother's family has been in the US
long before the Revolutionary War.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/01/14/wusupols314.xml
http://genealogy.about.com/od/aframertrees/p/obama_four.htm

>>>>>> "Jeff" ...
>>>>>>>> "Wickeddoll." ...
[quoted text clipped - 92 lines]
>>
>> He (Obama) and Kennedy are the same when it comes to gun control.
dbu - 23 Feb 2008 20:10 GMT
> Some think O'bama is Irish   ;)

There's also a vicious rumor going around saying Obama is Swedish.
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Jeff - 23 Feb 2008 20:15 GMT
>> Some think O'bama is Irish   ;)
>  
> There's also a vicious rumor going around saying Obama is Swedish.

Why is that a rumor?

BTW, he is Scottish and a distant cousin to McCain.

He's also as white as he is black (Stanley Obama was white).

Jeff
Mike hunt - 23 Feb 2008 23:38 GMT
White people can have ancestors from a half dozen places, even of one was
black, and still be white  We are always black, no mater how many of our
ancestor were white.   On the male side my grandfather was black my father
was black but my grandmother, mother and my wife are white with white
parents, but my children and grand children are still considered to be
black.  Ever since they were young I told them to say "Native American" when
asked what race.  After all, for four gerarations were born in the US  LOL

>>> Some think O'bama is Irish   ;)
>>  There's also a vicious rumor going around saying Obama is Swedish.
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>
> Jeff
Jeff - 23 Feb 2008 23:43 GMT
> White people can have ancestors from a half dozen places, even of one was
> black, and still be white  We are always black, no mater how many of our
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>>
>> Jeff

Native American means that the ancestors were here before the settlers
arrived. Race does not mean nationality.

When asked my race, I put "human."

I have seen many people under the skin. We all look the same.

Jeff
Mike hunt - 24 Feb 2008 00:10 GMT
Really?   Are you referring to those "natives" that came over from Asia via
Russia?  If you remembered your fifth grade history or searched your
favorite wed site, you would discover this county was not called America
until after Amerigo Vespucci came here and mapped the east cost, nearly a
hundred years after the "settlers" arrived.        LOL

>> White people can have ancestors from a half dozen places, even of one was
>> black, and still be white  We are always black, no mater how many of our
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>
> Jeff
Jeff - 24 Feb 2008 00:16 GMT
> Really?   Are you referring to those "natives" that came over from Asia via
> Russia?  If you remembered your fifth grade history or searched your
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>>
>> Jeff

I apologize. I meant to say settlers from Europe.

If doesn't when they were first called "Native Americans." What matters
is that Native Americans refers to peoples who were here prior to the
arival of Europeans.
Mike hunt - 24 Feb 2008 01:16 GMT
Which "Indians" are Native Americans, the one that were here before it was
called America or after?   If their grandparents came from Asia are they
still not Native American as well?  If only those born here before the
settlers from Europe, then those born after would not be natives either,
right?     Are all those born in a country not natives?   Should my
grandchildren or I be natives of Africa or America, after four generations?
Why should my grandchildren still be classified as black when eight tenth of
their ancestor are white?   The odds are most Americans that have had
relatives in the US for more than 75 years have a black ancestors.  Why are
they not black? What business does the government have in my ancestry in any
event?

>> Really?   Are you referring to those "natives" that came over from Asia
>> via Russia?  If you remembered your fifth grade history or searched your
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> that Native Americans refers to peoples who were here prior to the arival
> of Europeans.
Jeff - 24 Feb 2008 01:44 GMT
> Which "Indians" are Native Americans, the one that were here before it was
> called America or after?   If their grandparents came from Asia are they
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>> that Native Americans refers to peoples who were here prior to the arival
>> of Europeans.

Your answers are as close as your mouse:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_americans.

You ask some good questions on why some people are considered black
rather than white. Obama is half white (with Scottish Royal blood and
Irish blood); Tiger Woods half-black and half Thai. Yet most people
consider Woods black, even though looking at his face, it is easy to
spot the Thai influence.

The US gov't requires some organizations and government groups (e.g.,
public schools and colleges) that get grants to collect ethnic
information for their statistics. In addition, the gov't, private
organizations and public organizations have programs that are aimed at
underrepresented minorities and women, including Native Americans. When
one fills out an application to a college or for a job, there is no
penalty for choosing the "decline to answer" option, however, unless the
program is aimed a minorities or women.

Jeff
dbu - 24 Feb 2008 01:21 GMT
> Really?   Are you referring to those "natives" that came over from Asia via
> Russia?  If you remembered your fifth grade history or searched your
> favorite wed site, you would discover this county was not called America
> until after Amerigo Vespucci came here and mapped the east cost, nearly a
> hundred years after the "settlers" arrived.        LOL

If I recall, the first trace of humans were in what is now known as
Iraq, LOL.  

> >> White people can have ancestors from a half dozen places, even of one was
> >> black, and still be white  We are always black, no mater how many of our
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> >
> > Jeff
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Jeff - 24 Feb 2008 03:31 GMT
>> Really?   Are you referring to those "natives" that came over from Asia via
>> Russia?  If you remembered your fifth grade history or searched your
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>>>
>>> Jeff

Humans arose in Africa around 70k to 50k years ago. However, Iraq was
important in human history, because the peoples who moved out of Africa
mostly went through Iraq.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recent_single_origin_hypothesis

Jeff

Jeff
badgolferman - 26 Feb 2008 04:02 GMT
> If I recall, the first trace of humans were in what is now known as
> Iraq, LOL.

Isn't Mesopotamia where the Garden of Eden is thought to have been?
mack - 26 Feb 2008 08:15 GMT
>> If I recall, the first trace of humans were in what is now known as
>> Iraq, LOL.
>
> Isn't Mesopotamia where the Garden of Eden is thought to have been?

that was then, this is now.
dbu - 24 Feb 2008 01:19 GMT
> >> Some think O'bama is Irish   ;)
> >  
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>
> Jeff

and I'm a purple people eater.   You read too much crap on the internet
then believe it true.
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Jeff - 24 Feb 2008 03:33 GMT
>>>> Some think O'bama is Irish   ;)
>>>  
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> and I'm a purple people eater.   You read too much crap on the internet
> then believe it true.

My references:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/01/14/wusupols314.xml
http://genealogy.about.com/od/aframertrees/p/obama_four.htm
Wickeddoll® - 23 Feb 2008 20:39 GMT
"dbu"
>> Some think O'bama is Irish   ;)
>
> There's also a vicious rumor going around saying Obama is Swedish.

"To tell a family secret, my grandmother was Dutch"

Seriously, Obama's most bizarre limb on his family tree:

Cheney!

Natalie
Jeff - 23 Feb 2008 20:46 GMT
> "dbu"
>>> Some think O'bama is Irish   ;)
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>
> Natalie

That would be a bizarre limb on any Family tree, even a white man's,
like Obama's.

Jeff
Mike hunt - 23 Feb 2008 23:22 GMT
Ted Kennedy discover the day after he had indorsed him that his name was
Obama, not O'bama    ;)

> "dbu"
>>> Some think O'bama is Irish   ;)
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> Natalie
dbu - 24 Feb 2008 01:17 GMT
> Ted Kennedy discover the day after he had indorsed him that his name was
> Obama, not O'bama    ;)

Old teddy was still trying to shake off the night before, LOL  

Teddy should really think about retirement.

> > "dbu"
> >>> Some think O'bama is Irish   ;)
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> > Natalie
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dbu - 24 Feb 2008 01:15 GMT
> "dbu"
> >> Some think O'bama is Irish   ;)
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>
> Natalie

I heard about that, is it another heard it on the internet.
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Wickeddoll® - 24 Feb 2008 02:10 GMT
"dbu" ,
> "Wickeddoll®" >> >> Some think O'bama is Irish   ;)
>> >
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>
> I heard about that, is it another heard it on the internet.

Nope.

Natalie
witfal - 24 Feb 2008 02:27 GMT
>> Some knuckle dragger wrote: I heard about that, is it another heard it
>> on the internet.
>
> Nope.

Lynne Cheney admitted on MSNBC that Obama and Dick are eighth cousins.
Wickeddoll® - 24 Feb 2008 03:09 GMT
"witfal"
"Wickeddoll®"
said:

>>> Some knuckle dragger wrote: I heard about that, is it another heard it
>>> on the internet.
>>
>> Nope.
>
> Lynne Cheney admitted on MSNBC that Obama and Dick are eighth cousins.

You cut out the person that asked the question (Dbu), but I'd like to add
there were several cartoons lampooning that Obama/Cheney thing.  This was my
favorite:

http://cagle.com/working/071019/thompson.jpg

*snerk*

Natalie
witfal - 24 Feb 2008 03:13 GMT
> "witfal"
>  "Wickeddoll®"
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>
> You cut out the person that asked the question (Dbu),

No I didn't.  Look closely.

>  but I'd like to add there were several cartoons lampooning that
> Obama/Cheney thing.  This was my favorite:
>
> http://cagle.com/working/071019/thompson.jpg
>
> *snerk*

Nice.
Wickeddoll® - 24 Feb 2008 03:23 GMT
"witfal" <
"Wickeddoll®"
said:

>>  said:
>>>
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>
> No I didn't.  Look closely.

I saw the slam - that's not his name :-P

>>  but I'd like to add there were several cartoons lampooning that
>> Obama/Cheney thing.  This was my favorite:
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>
> Nice.

:-)

Natalie
witfal - 24 Feb 2008 03:27 GMT
>>> You cut out the person that asked the question (Dbu),
>>
>> No I didn't.  Look closely.
>
> I saw the slam - that's not his name :-P

It's easier to type "knuckle dragger" than "ignorant, supercilious twit".
Cathy F. - 24 Feb 2008 02:56 GMT
>> "dbu"
>> >> Some think O'bama is Irish   ;)
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>
> I heard about that, is it another heard it on the internet.

I think it's actually true, poor guy (Obama).  Could look it up...

Cathy
sharx35 - 24 Feb 2008 02:33 GMT
>> >>> "Jeff" ...
>> >>> >> "Wickeddoll®" ...
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>
> If he gets elected you can kiss your guns goodbye

And, eventually, we will kiss our a.ses good-bye as the LIEbrawls kissing
Chinese a.s will lead to China dominating the world.

> <http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=3561>
>
> He (Obama) and Kennedy are the same when it comes to gun control.
sharx35 - 24 Feb 2008 02:32 GMT
>>>> "Jeff" ...
>>>> >> "Wickeddoll®" ...
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>
> He says NOTHING.

If LIEbrawls had held sway in mid 19th century, we'd all be speaking German,
Japanese or Russian by now. If LIEbrawls regain power, we will have to learn
Mandarin and Cantonese.
Scott  in  Florida - 23 Feb 2008 13:48 GMT
>Having said that, voting for Obama based solely on his race, is just as bad
>as voting *against* him for the same reason.  I haven't decided who I'm
>voting for yet, but as an independent, I'm mulling them all over.

Did you ask your husband what the effect on our great US
Military....the Perfect Negro would have?

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Wickeddoll® - 23 Feb 2008 18:53 GMT
"Scott in Florida"
"Wickeddoll®"
wrote:

>>Having said that, voting for Obama based solely on his race, is just as
>>bad
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> Did you ask your husband what the effect on our great US
> Military....the Perfect Negro would have?

I'll answer that when you stop using that somewhat offensive phrase

Natalie
Scott  in  Florida - 23 Feb 2008 20:39 GMT
>"Scott in Florida"
> "Wickeddoll®"
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>
>Natalie

Sorry....

The phrase introduced by a liberal is Magic Negro.

My bad....

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Wickeddoll® - 23 Feb 2008 21:03 GMT
"Scott in Florida"
"Wickeddoll®"

>>>>Having said that, voting for Obama based solely on his race, is just as
>>>>bad
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>
> My bad....

I get why they say he's "magic" since he appears to be able to get votes out
of nowhere, but that phrase emphasizes his race, which shouldn't be a huge
issue.  If he's full of empty promises, then *that's* what should be
attacked.  Even I don't get why he's doing so well.  I haven't seen anything
impressive about him, except his phenomenal popularity, so I'm with ya on
the substance issue.

Also, since his race is being a focus, if we elect him, and he's totally
screws up, the haters will have more ammunition to say why blacks shouldn't
be in office.  That really bothers me, so I hope that if he's chosen, he's
up to the challenge.  Of course the same haters probably wouldn't admit that
many past presidents were terrible, either.  I think Hillary would face the
same thing - let a woman be in charge, and look what happened, instead of
realizing that she may be better than many of her male counterparts.  I'm
not stumping for her, but I still don't think she's any worse than a lot of
them.

Natalie
witfal - 23 Feb 2008 21:15 GMT
> Also, since his race is being a focus, if we elect him, and he's totally
> screws up, the haters will have more ammunition to say why blacks shouldn't
> be in office.

At this point, Natalie, it doesn't matter if he or Hillary wins.  WHEN,
not IF, either of them screw things up even more than they are already,
there will be ammunition for the right.

I honestly hope the Dems win this time.  Not because I want one in the
WH, but McCain ain't much better.  I figure four years of Hillary or
Obama will be quite enough "enlightment" for supporters.

I'll agree with your assertion about all of them.  I can't recall a
group of more lukewarm mediocrity during any primary year of the past.  
It's got to be a fact that the best chose to not run.

If not, we're in bigger trouble than I thought.
dbu - 24 Feb 2008 01:14 GMT
> > Also, since his race is being a focus, if we elect him, and he's totally
> > screws up, the haters will have more ammunition to say why blacks shouldn't
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> not IF, either of them screw things up even more than they are already,
> there will be ammunition for the right.

Why?  Nine out of ten points he's your conservative.  Likes guns, likes
to cut taxes, etc.  Whitless I think you are typical media follower.  
You should try real hard to stop watching CNN and MSNBC and think for
yourself.  Unless you are a stealth liberal, which I think you are.  
You're not fooling anyone.  

> I honestly hope the Dems win this time.  Not because I want one in the
> WH, but McCain ain't much better.  I figure four years of Hillary or
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>
> If not, we're in bigger trouble than I thought.
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Scott  in  Florida - 24 Feb 2008 04:07 GMT
>"Scott in Florida"
>"Wickeddoll®"
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>
>Natalie

He has shown absolutely no ability to lead.

His record in the Senate is horrible.

He is unable to think well on his feet.

In short....a horrible choice.

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HarryNadds - 24 Feb 2008 17:55 GMT
On Feb 22, 8:12 pm, "Wickeddoll®"
<wickeddollnofeckingspam1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Jeff" ...
>
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>
> - Show quoted text -

PPUUUUUUUUULLLLEEEAAASSSE!!!  The only thing open to a "man of color"
are your thighs.STFU !!
beerspill@whoever.com - 23 Feb 2008 03:05 GMT
> Maybe for our first female president, we should get Dr. Cheney.

Maybe she'll put some hot lesbo action in her speeches the way she did
in her novel.

That's what really counts.
Hachiroku ハチロク - 23 Feb 2008 19:19 GMT
>  And some people don't like her because they don't
> like her husband.

And she's a PC ditz?
dbu - 23 Feb 2008 02:29 GMT
> > "Don't Taze Me, Bro!" > Barring Obama does or says something that just
> > goes beyond silly then kiss
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>
> Cathy

Hillary is only a talking head.  Her hubby, Bubba wants back in the WH
very badly.
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Cathy F. - 23 Feb 2008 04:47 GMT
>> > "Don't Taze Me, Bro!" > Barring Obama does or says something that just
>> > goes beyond silly then kiss
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> Hillary is only a talking head.  Her hubby, Bubba wants back in the WH
> very badly.

Give credit where credit's due.  She's a candidate in her own right.  I
don't care how much a person may dislike Hillary for whatever reason(s), the
woman has an abundance of brain power & knowledge.

Cathy
Scott  in  Florida - 23 Feb 2008 13:45 GMT
>Give credit where credit's due.  She's a candidate in her own right.  I
>don't care how much a person may dislike Hillary for whatever reason(s), the
>woman has an abundance of brain power & knowledge.
>
>Cathy

Then why is she losing to the Perfect Negro?

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HarryNadds - 23 Feb 2008 16:59 GMT
> On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 23:47:57 -0500, "Cathy F."
>
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>
>  Scott in Florida

He's the "Magic Negro".
Scott  in  Florida - 23 Feb 2008 20:36 GMT
>> On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 23:47:57 -0500, "Cathy F."
>>
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>
>He's the "Magic Negro".

My bad ;-)

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Hachiroku ハチロク - 23 Feb 2008 19:18 GMT
>> Hillary is only a talking head.  Her hubby, Bubba wants back in the WH
>> very badly.
>
> Give credit where credit's due.  She's a candidate in her own right.  I
> don't care how much a person may dislike Hillary for whatever reason(s),
> the woman has an abundance of brain power & knowledge.

Too bad she can't harness it and make it work for her! Look at her Health
Care plan from 16 years ago. They finally told her to Shut Up and go back
to her office.

Mrs Clinton insisted on having her office in the Office Wing, instead of
the Residence. That didn't go over very well. (Sorry, stolen from the
first episode of "Commander In Cheif"  ;)

"They" already had their bite at the apple. The best they did was move the
good jobs to India. Enough Bush/Clintons, thank you.
Hachiroku ハチロク - 23 Feb 2008 19:15 GMT
> Because (for a reason which rather eludes me) many
> people - in the US - absolutely hate her.

For all her brains, she's a Twit, and just another Good Ol' Boy...
witfal - 23 Feb 2008 20:48 GMT
>> Because (for a reason which rather eludes me) many
>> people - in the US - absolutely hate her.
>
> For all her brains, she's a Twit, and just another Good Ol' Boy...

People don't want her because she's a phony as a three dollar bill,
cannot think on her feet, and has made her ethics more than clear many
times.
Cathy F. - 23 Feb 2008 21:53 GMT
>>> Because (for a reason which rather eludes me) many
>>> people - in the US - absolutely hate her.
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> People don't want her because she's a phony as a three dollar bill, cannot
> think on her feet, and has made her ethics more than clear many times.

If that statement were true, then how on earth would one explain GWB's
elections (or sort of elections...)??

Cathy
witfal - 23 Feb 2008 21:56 GMT
>>>> Because (for a reason which rather eludes me) many
>>>> people - in the US - absolutely hate her.
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> If that statement were true, then how on earth would one explain GWB's
> elections (or sort of elections...)??

Because he conceals them all more effectively.
Cathy F. - 23 Feb 2008 23:22 GMT
>>>>> Because (for a reason which rather eludes me) many
>>>>> people - in the US - absolutely hate her.
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>
> Because he conceals them all more effectively.

Huh?  The man opens his mouth & he's blown any cover he might've had!

Cathy
witfal - 23 Feb 2008 23:55 GMT
>> Because he conceals them all more effectively.
>
> Huh?  The man opens his mouth & he's blown any cover he might've had!

I should have said "concealED".  Currently he looks as inept as I
believe her to be.

Honestly, Cathy, I just can't muster up a shred of respect for either
of them.  He's blown too many opportunities.

She can't handle interview where her handlers haven't pre-screened the
questions.

Not a tinker's damn worth of difference, and shocking for someone
touted to be so intelligent.
sharx35 - 24 Feb 2008 06:40 GMT
>>>> Because (for a reason which rather eludes me) many
>>>> people - in the US - absolutely hate her.
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>
> Cathy

It's about f.cking time that you took off your f.cking leftwing
blinders--and see Hitler for what she is--a total fraud.
sharx35 - 24 Feb 2008 06:47 GMT
>>>>> Because (for a reason which rather eludes me) many
>>>>> people - in the US - absolutely hate her.
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> It's about f.cking time that you took off your f.cking leftwing
> blinders--and see Hitler for what she is--a total fraud.HITLERY, I mean
Hachiroku ハチロク - 24 Feb 2008 00:54 GMT
>>> Because (for a reason which rather eludes me) many people - in the US -
>>> absolutely hate her.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> People don't want her because she's a phony as a three dollar bill, cannot
> think on her feet, and has made her ethics more than clear many times.

(I like mine better...)  ;)
 
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