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Don't Taze Me, Bro! - 24 Feb 2008 22:44 GMT
Some of the best news for McCain has happened this week. The New York Times
totally screwed up in their liberal rhetoric and then Nader announced he
would run.

Democrats should convince Paul to run on a 3rd party ticket.
Mark A - 24 Feb 2008 23:03 GMT
> Some of the best news for McCain has happened this week. The New York
> Times totally screwed up in their liberal rhetoric and then Nader
> announced he would run.
>
> Democrats should convince Paul to run on a 3rd party ticket.

Paul has already said he would not do that. He has to run for re-election to
the House of Representatives, so he said that he will focus on that.
MaryKate - 24 Feb 2008 23:03 GMT
Posted at 1:11 PM ET, 02/24/2008
Nader Hopes Third Presidential Run Is the Charm
By Zachary A. Goldfarb

"Consumer activist Ralph Nader today launched his third bid for the
presidency, saying he is not concerned that his candidacy could deny
the Democrats the White House in November"

Nader Hopes Third Presidential Run Is the Charm
By Zachary A. Goldfarb

Consumer activist Ralph Nader today launched his third bid for the
presidency, saying he is not concerned that his candidacy could deny
the Democrats the White House in November.

"If the Democrats can't landslide the Republicans this year, they
ought to just wrap up, close down, emerge in a different form," Nader
said. "You think the American people are going to vote for a pro-war
John McCain who almost gives an indication he's the candidate for
perpetual war?"

Many Democrats still blame Nader for costing Vice President Al Gore
the presidency in 2000, when the race was decided by a razor-thin
margin in Florida. Nader ran again in 2004 but had little impact on
the race.

Nader announced his candidacy in the same way as he did four years
ago, on NBC's "Meet the Press." He said that he was running to draw
attention to issues ignored by the major candidates in both parties:
corporate crime, worker rights, military spending and foreign policy.

"You take that framework of people feeling locked out, shut out,
marginalized and disrespected," he said. "You go from Iraq, to
Palestine to Israel, from Enron to Wall Street, from Katrina to the
bumbling of the Bush administration, to the complicity of the
Democrats in not stopping him on the war, stopping him on the tax
cuts."

Nader credited Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.), who leads the Democratic
nomination race, with being "the first liberal evangelist in a long
time." But Nader said Obama's "better instincts and knowledge have
been censored" by the demands of the campaign.

"He's leaned, if anything, toward the pro-corporate side of policy-
making," Nader said. The question is, he added, "Do you have the
fortitude to stand up against the corporate powers ... and get things
done for the American people?" Obama, he said, has also erred on
foreign policy. "He was pro-Palestinian when he was in Illinois,"
Nader said. "Now he's supporting" the Israeli government's policies,
he added.

Republican candidate Mike Huckabee, the former Arkansas governor, said
he thought Nader's run would help his party.

"I think it always would probably pull votes away from the Democrats,
not the Republicans," Huckabee said on CNN's "Late Edition." "So
naturally Republicans would welcome his entry into the race and hope
that maybe a few more will join in."

But Obama said Saturday that he was not concerned about a Nader bid.

"I think the job of the Democratic Party is to be so compelling that a
few percentage [points] of the vote going to another candidate is not
going to make any difference," the Illinois senator said.

Surrogates for Obama and Democratic rival Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton
(N.Y) said today that Nader was unlikely to make a difference in the
general election.

"I think it's a non-event," said Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano, a
supporter of Obama, on CBS's "Face the Nation." "These are primaries
and caucuses that have excited the national interest, brought
thousands and thousands of new voters in. ... They're not looking for
a third party candidate."

New Jersey Gov. Jon Corzine, a Clinton supporter, agreed with that
sentiment. He added that the real variable is whether New York Mayor
Michael Bloomberg will get into the race.

"I think that would have a major impact on the outcome of the race,
and I think it's unpredictable which side would hurt the most on
that," Corzine said on "Fox News Sunday."

The Democratic surrogates also agreed that Clinton had to win March 4
primaries in Ohio and Texas to stay competitive in the race. They
differed, however, on whether momentum was turning in her favor or
whether it was continuing to drive Obama, who has won 11 consecutive
primaries and caucuses.

"I think it's very challenging for her if she does not win both
states," Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine, an Obama supporter, said on Fox.
"She's the leader in both states in the polling now, but what we see
in the Obama campaign is really strong momentum in both Ohio and
Texas."

"Those of us who are supporters of Senator Clinton believe and feel
pretty positive about what's going to happen in Ohio and Texas. Our
read is that she's doing well. She turns that momentum around if she
does well there," Corzine said. "If she doesn't, I think she'll have
to review where she stands, and that's what the former president
talked about this week."

Former president Bill Clinton told a crowd in Texas last week, "If you
don't deliver for her, then I don't think she can be" the nominee.

The campaign surrogates also sparred over a series of Obama fliers
sent to voters in Ohio. Clinton charged Saturday that the two mailings
-- criticizing her views on health care and trade -- "are straight out
of Karl Rove's playbook."

"Shame on you, Barack Obama. It is time you ran a campaign consistent
with your messages in public," Clinton said.

Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm, a Clinton supporter, said on CBS that
"when flyers come out that misrepresent her position on these two
fundamental issues, I'm sure she is going to be very passionate about
it. And, I think, rightly so."

Napolitano disagreed. "The flyers use her own words. But more than
that, it was a sound of frustration to me. These are flyers that are
several weeks old," she said. "Why the timing was yesterday is
peculiar and perhaps tactical."

A number of the governors who appeared on the Sunday shows are high on
pundits' lists of potential vice presidential candidates. None was
quick to knock down the idea of being No. 2.

"I have a day job, and I support [Sen. John McCain] because I think
he'd be a great president, not because I want to be vice president,"
Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty said on Fox.

"I mean, any of us have awfully busy day jobs, and add to that we've
got four young boys back at the house. So you know, you worry about
these kinds of lightning strikes if they come your way, but you don't
worry about them until then. I mean, you focus on the job at hand,"
said South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford, another McCain supporter.

Kaine said of Obama tapping him, "[I]t's nice to be on a list. My mom
likes it if I'm on a list. But I do have a very important job at hand,
which is governing Virginia, and I want to do everything I can to help
Barack win Virginia, and I think I can do that as governor."

It took a senator to knock down the idea completely. When asked if she
were interested, Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-Tex.) flatly said, "No."

On ABC's "This Week," she added, "I would just remind you that there
were a lot of short lists in 2000, during the election, and the person
who got the vice presidency was not on any list."

Another Republican senator, Chuck Hagel (Neb.), would not commit to
supporting his party's nominee, likely to be McCain.

"[A]t the appropriate time, I'll have something to say about it," he
said on CNN.

Hagel once considered running for the presidency himself.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-talk/2008/02/nader_hopes_third_presidential.h
tml?hpid=topnews

robw - 24 Feb 2008 23:25 GMT
The Nadar run will mean nothing.

And I've worked for his campaign in the past.

You know that Bush Derangement thing?

Guess what?

> Some of the best news for McCain has happened this week. The New York Times
> totally screwed up in their liberal rhetoric and then Nader announced he
> would run.
>
> Democrats should convince Paul to run on a 3rd party ticket.
Jeff Strickland - 24 Feb 2008 23:31 GMT
Nader himself acknowledges his campaign will siphon Democrat votes. Surely
you know that ...
robw - 24 Feb 2008 23:50 GMT
No. It won't
I worked for his campaign in the past.

He can't win.

What's that Who song?

> Nader himself acknowledges his campaign will siphon Democrat votes. Surely
> you know that ...
bushhelpscorporationsdestroyamerica - 24 Feb 2008 23:51 GMT
> No. It won't
> I worked for his campaign in the past.
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>
> - Show quoted text -

obama will win anyways
Jeff Strickland - 25 Feb 2008 00:05 GMT
I do not pretend that he can win, but Nader himself acknowledges that every
vote he gets is a vote that the Democrat candidate will not get. There's no
chance Nader can win, and there's a very good chance he can make it so the
Democrat does not win either.

Nader's candidacy is a good thing for Republicans.

> No. It won't
> I worked for his campaign in the past.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>> Surely
>> you know that ...
robw - 25 Feb 2008 01:10 GMT
Did you not read what I wrote?

> I do not pretend that he can win, but Nader himself acknowledges that every
> vote he gets is a vote that the Democrat candidate will not get. There's no
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> >> Surely
> >> you know that ...
Jeff Strickland - 25 Feb 2008 03:30 GMT
Yes, you stated that Nader cannot win.

It's not about him winning, it's about him sucking votes from the Democrat
candidate.

Did you read what I wrote?

> Did you not read what I wrote?
>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>> >> Surely
>> >> you know that ...
George Grapman - 25 Feb 2008 03:31 GMT
> Yes, you stated that Nader cannot win.
>
> It's not about him winning, it's about him sucking votes from the
> Democrat candidate.
>
> Did you read what I wrote?

 Any can you understand that he had no effect on the 2004 election?

>> Did you not read what I wrote?
>>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>>> >> Surely
>>> >> you know that ...
witfal - 25 Feb 2008 03:35 GMT
> Yes, you stated that Nader cannot win.
>
> It's not about him winning, it's about him sucking votes from the
> Democrat candidate.

So are you worried about Obama or Hillary having their own Ross Perot?
Jeff Strickland - 25 Feb 2008 03:57 GMT
>> Yes, you stated that Nader cannot win.
>>
>> It's not about him winning, it's about him sucking votes from the
>> Democrat candidate.
>
> So are you worried about Obama or Hillary having their own Ross Perot?

What, me worry?

I'm not worried in the least. I'm just pointing out a fact. Every vote that
Nader gets is a vote that the Dems did not get. If the election is close, it
could make a diffference.
witfal - 25 Feb 2008 04:34 GMT
>>> Yes, you stated that Nader cannot win.
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> that Nader gets is a vote that the Dems did not get. If the election is
> close, it could make a diffference.

As it did in 1992 with Perot bleeding away Bush 41 votes.  Exactly.
robw - 25 Feb 2008 18:40 GMT
Sorry, but I don't think you're going to see Ralph cause any harm.

The Artsist/Muse and I have worked his campaign in the past. We got the
phone call to see if we would help now. We declined. The girl on the phone
said she was running into this a great deal.

Face it, his supporters are few and the college age kids don't even know who
he is.

> Yes, you stated that Nader cannot win.
>
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> >> >> Surely
> >> >> you know that ...
George Grapman - 25 Feb 2008 01:16 GMT
> I do not pretend that he can win, but Nader himself acknowledges that
> every vote he gets is a vote that the Democrat candidate will not get.
> There's no chance Nader can win, and there's a very good chance he can
> make it so the Democrat does not win either.
>
> Nader's candidacy is a good thing for Republicans.

  4 years ago he did give the Republicans a single state and there is
no reason to think that will change.

>> No. It won't
>> I worked for his campaign in the past.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>>> Surely
>>> you know that ...
bushlyed - 25 Feb 2008 10:38 GMT
> I do not pretend that he can win, but Nader himself acknowledges that every
> vote he gets is a vote that the Democrat candidate will not get. There's no
> chance Nader can win, and there's a very good chance he can make it so the
> Democrat does not win either.
>
> Nader's candidacy is a good thing for Republicans.

That's the only reason bush ever got "elected" in the first place

So you guys had to count on trickery

Meanwhile, oh brave bush supporter Jeffy baby, why isn't your cowardly
chickenshit chickenhawk a.s in Iraq fighting for the man you believe
in so
Jeff Strickland - 25 Feb 2008 16:42 GMT
On Feb 24, 7:05 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <cr...@verizon.net> wrote:
> I do not pretend that he can win, but Nader himself acknowledges that
> every
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Nader's candidacy is a good thing for Republicans.

That's the only reason bush ever got "elected" in the first place

So you guys had to count on trickery

Meanwhile, oh brave bush supporter Jeffy baby, why isn't your cowardly
chickenshit chickenhawk a.s in Iraq fighting for the man you believe
in so

<JS>
Because I'm too old, they won't let me.

How come your chickenshit a.s is not fighting for your country? How come
freedom and liberty are good for you, but too good for the people of Iraq?
Why don't you want them to have what you have? After all, yoiu think I
should give all of my stuff to the central pile so it can be redistributed
to people that don't have enough.

You want to redistribute the wealth when it is safe for you to do so, but
you do not want to redistribute when things get ugly. I get it finally, you
are for conditional redistribution, where the condition is your personal
comfort.

Do not dare to question my committment to my stand until you can show that
your own stand is committed. I have no conditions on my committment.
a.shole.

You are the lowest scum in the pond, hiding behind a screen name.
</JS>
P.O.W. - 25 Feb 2008 19:18 GMT
> That's the only reason bush ever got "elected" in the first place
>
> So you guys had to count on trickery

voter fraud was a bigger factor in the stolen "election"
and look at how many post n this thread.
Ralph is still creating excitement.
and no , he is not going to win.
but, he will bring up subjects the "man" doesn't want to air.

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when you believe the only tool you have is a hammer.
problems tend to look like nails.

Peter Principle - 25 Feb 2008 18:07 GMT
>Nader himself acknowledges his campaign will siphon Democrat votes. Surely
>you know that ...

And you really think we'll miss those dozen votes, do you? You keep
praying, rightard, and we'll keep laughing.

Nader himself is a f.cking loon, loon. Nobody gives a skinny rat's a.s
what he says.

Besides, since when did you rightards ever believe a word he said?

The fact is Obama will beat George W. McCain in a LANDSLIDE. But I
suppose when stupid rightard fantasies are all you have, stupid rightard
fantasies are all you have.

Enjoy, rightard!

---
Welcome to reality. Enjoy your visit. Slow thinkers keep right.
------
Why are so many not smart enough to know they're not smart enough?

http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf
© 1999 by the American Psychological Association
December 1999 Vol. 77, No. 6, 1121-1134

Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own
Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments

Justin Kruger and David Dunning
Department of Psychology
Cornell University

ABSTRACT:
...the authors found that participants scoring in the bottom quartile
on tests of humor, grammar, and logic grossly overestimated their test
performance and ability. Although their test scores put them in the
12th percentile, they estimated themselves to be in the 62nd.
Jeff Strickland - 25 Feb 2008 19:55 GMT
>>Nader himself acknowledges his campaign will siphon Democrat votes. Surely
>>you know that ...
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Besides, since when did you rightards ever believe a word he said?

Why would I care what Nader says? He'll take votes away from the Dem
candidate, not the Rep candidate.

> The fact is Obama will beat George W. McCain in a LANDSLIDE. But I
> suppose when stupid rightard fantasies are all you have, stupid rightard
> fantasies are all you have.

As much as I think you are right -- Obama is likely to win -- I do not think
he will win by the landslide you suggest.

Indeed, I see a repeat of both 2000 and 2004 where it can come down to
several precincts in a state. Brace yourself.
Scott in Florida - 25 Feb 2008 19:59 GMT
>>>Nader himself acknowledges his campaign will siphon Democrat votes. Surely
>>>you know that ...
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>Indeed, I see a repeat of both 2000 and 2004 where it can come down to
>several precincts in a state. Brace yourself.

Can't blame the Democratic counties in Florida.

We now have both electronic and paper voting at the same time!

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Scott in  Florida

Don't Taze Me, Bro! - 24 Feb 2008 23:56 GMT
> The Nadar run will mean nothing.
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Guess what?

Don't be so sure... Nader can take an entire percent or two in some swing
states and his followers are ridiculously faithful like Ron Paul fans.
bushhelpscorporationsdestroyamerica - 24 Feb 2008 23:57 GMT
On Feb 24, 3:56 pm, "Don't Taze Me, Bro!" <No1Exis...@Earth1.net>
wrote:

> > The Nadar run will mean nothing.
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Don't be so sure... Nader can take an entire percent or two in some swing
> states and his followers are ridiculously faithful like Ron Paul fans.

obama's movement reminds me of RFK, as long as racists dont kill him,
he will win
Don't Taze Me, Bro! - 25 Feb 2008 00:00 GMT
>obama's movement reminds me of RFK, as long as racists dont kill him,
>he will win

RFK was killed by a Palestinian...
turk - 25 Feb 2008 00:31 GMT
>> The Nadar run will mean nothing.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Don't be so sure... Nader can take an entire percent or two in some swing
> states and his followers are ridiculously faithful like Ron Paul fans.

Nader got .3% of the vote last election.  He was a factor in 2000 with just
over 2% and allowed the GOP to be close enough to steal the election.  He
was a joke in 2004.  He'll be a non-entitiy in 2006.  I know you fucktard
neocons are clinging to any hope you can get, but Obama is the next
President of the United States.  Your children are done playing in the White
House.  Time for the adults to come in and start cleaning up the mess.

Get over it.

turk
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"You know one thing I've learned, is it's easier to tear a country down than
it is to rebuild a country," --GW, Feb. 21, 2008

Scott in Florida - 25 Feb 2008 00:58 GMT
> Time for the adults to come in and start cleaning up the mess.

ROFLMAO....

The Magic Negro is an adult?

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Scott in  Florida

turk - 25 Feb 2008 01:08 GMT
>> Time for the adults to come in and start cleaning up the mess.
>
> ROFLMAO....
>
> The Magic Negro is an adult?

I can tell you're very mature.  I think your KKK meetings are stunting your
intellectual growth.  Or maybe you're just one of those special children.

turk
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"You know one thing I've learned, is it's easier to tear a country down than
it is to rebuild a country," --GW, Feb. 21, 2008

Scott in Florida - 25 Feb 2008 01:09 GMT
>>> Time for the adults to come in and start cleaning up the mess.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>turk

Oh?

Where did the story about Barak the Magic Negro come from?

don't tell me it was a LIBERAL.....

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Scott in  Florida

George Grapman - 25 Feb 2008 01:17 GMT
>> Time for the adults to come in and start cleaning up the mess.
>
> ROFLMAO....
>
> The Magic Negro is an adult?

  As opposed to Bush who never accomplished anything on his own.
dbu - 25 Feb 2008 01:49 GMT
> >> Time for the adults to come in and start cleaning up the mess.
> >
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> >
>    As opposed to Bush who never accomplished anything on his own.

Nor did clintoon for that matter, except Monica.
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Hillary Clinton

George Grapman - 25 Feb 2008 02:37 GMT
>>>> Time for the adults to come in and start cleaning up the mess.
>>> ROFLMAO....
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Nor did clintoon for that matter, except Monica.

 A Rhodes scholar from a poor family who left office with a booming
economy and a surplus as opposed to a man whose entire life was based on
family connections and failed business enterprises who gave us record
deficits, a downward economy and a war that he can no longer even explain.
  I understand, unable to defend Bush you can only whine about a blow job.
dbu - 25 Feb 2008 10:28 GMT
> >>>> Time for the adults to come in and start cleaning up the mess.
> >>> ROFLMAO....
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> deficits, a downward economy and a war that he can no longer even explain.
>    I understand, unable to defend Bush you can only whine about a blow job.

Oh hogwash.  His old man was a used car salesman.  Bubba is a chip off
the old block.
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"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."

Hillary Clinton

George Grapman - 25 Feb 2008 14:55 GMT
>>>>>> Time for the adults to come in and start cleaning up the mess.
>>>>> ROFLMAO....
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> Oh hogwash.  His old man was a used car salesman.  Bubba is a chip off
> the old block.
 And his father abandoned the family at an early age. Tell us what Bush
ever did without family connections. Then tell us what shape the economy
was in in 2000 the condition it is now in.
Scott in Florida - 25 Feb 2008 17:27 GMT
>>>>>>> Time for the adults to come in and start cleaning up the mess.
>>>>>> ROFLMAO....
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>ever did without family connections. Then tell us what shape the economy
>was in in 2000 the condition it is now in.

The economy in 2000 was entering a recession.

The economy today is just fine....slowing down a bit....but just fine.

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Scott in  Florida

George Grapman - 25 Feb 2008 17:37 GMT
>>>>>>>> Time for the adults to come in and start cleaning up the mess.
>>>>>>> ROFLMAO....
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> The economy today is just fine....slowing down a bit....but just fine.

  If it is doing fine why do we need an economic stimulus package? Why
are there record deficits? Why are real wages down?
Scott in Florida - 25 Feb 2008 18:05 GMT
>>>>>>>>> Time for the adults to come in and start cleaning up the mess.
>>>>>>>> ROFLMAO....
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>   If it is doing fine why do we need an economic stimulus package? Why
>are there record deficits? Why are real wages down?

because the Democrats are in charge of the purse.....

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Scott in  Florida

George Grapman - 25 Feb 2008 18:11 GMT
>>>>>>>>>> Time for the adults to come in and start cleaning up the mess.
>>>>>>>>> ROFLMAO....
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
> because the Democrats are in charge of the purse.....

 Really, who controlled congress and the presidency for 4 years
starting in 2003? How many balanced budgets did Bush submit?
Scott in Florida - 25 Feb 2008 18:22 GMT
>>>>>>>>>>> Time for the adults to come in and start cleaning up the mess.
>>>>>>>>>> ROFLMAO....
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>  Really, who controlled congress and the presidency for 4 years
>starting in 2003? How many balanced budgets did Bush submit?

The Republicans.

Tell us what the Democrats have done to balance the budget since they took
charge?

hint....NOTHING.

...and why was the budget balanced during Klintoon?

Republicans in Congress.

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Scott in  Florida

George Grapman - 25 Feb 2008 18:27 GMT
>>>>>>>>>>>> Time for the adults to come in and start cleaning up the mess.
>>>>>>>>>>> ROFLMAO....
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
> Tell us what the Democrats have done to balance the budget since they took
> charge?

 But it was the Republicans who made an issue over deficits. Reagan ran
on a platform of balancing the budget yet never submitted one. From 1980
to 2000 their platforms called for balanced budgets but they dropped
that plank in 2004 when they could no longer blame a Democratic congress
or president.

> hint....NOTHING.
>
> ...and why was the budget balanced during Klintoon?
>
> Republicans in Congress.
Gary DeWaay - 27 Feb 2008 03:20 GMT
Scott in Florida's at JustAskl@verizon.net wisdom:  


> >  Really, who controlled congress and the presidency for 4 years
> >starting in 2003? How many balanced budgets did Bush submit?
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> hint....NOTHING.

Have there been any Dem spending bills that HAVEN'T been filibustered or
vetoed?

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- Gary

dbu - 25 Feb 2008 17:28 GMT
> >>>>>> Time for the adults to come in and start cleaning up the mess.
> >>>>> ROFLMAO....
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> ever did without family connections. Then tell us what shape the economy
> was in in 2000 the condition it is now in.

The economy damn sure wasn't because of bubba.  He sat on his a.s, ate
big mac's and little sweet interns, smiled a lot, made some speeches and
played cards late at night.  He's a bum.
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"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."

Hillary Clinton

Simpson - 25 Feb 2008 17:30 GMT
>>>>>>>> Time for the adults to come in and start cleaning up the mess.
>>>>>>> ROFLMAO....
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> big mac's and little sweet interns, smiled a lot, made some speeches and
> played cards late at night.  He's a bum.

And in spite of all that, he's still more popular than Junior.

Go figure...
Scott in Florida - 25 Feb 2008 17:35 GMT
>>>>>>>>> Time for the adults to come in and start cleaning up the mess.
>>>>>>>> ROFLMAO....
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
>Go figure...

Who he HELL cares about popularity?

LIBERALS....

Billy Bob Blow Job Klintoon was a joke of a prez....

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Scott in  Florida

George Grapman - 25 Feb 2008 17:39 GMT
>>>>>>>>>> Time for the adults to come in and start cleaning up the mess.
>>>>>>>>> ROFLMAO....
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>
> Billy Bob Blow Job Klintoon was a joke of a prez....

  Which was worse, lying about sex or lying about a war.
  Bush in 2003- We found WMDs
  Cheney in 2006-There were no WMDs.
Scott in Florida - 25 Feb 2008 18:06 GMT
>>>>>>>>>>> Time for the adults to come in and start cleaning up the mess.
>>>>>>>>>> ROFLMAO....
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
>   Bush in 2003- We found WMDs
>   Cheney in 2006-There were no WMDs.

Who was impeached?

If Bush lied...impeach him....

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Scott in  Florida

George Grapman - 25 Feb 2008 18:13 GMT
>>>>>>>>>>>> Time for the adults to come in and start cleaning up the mess.
>>>>>>>>>>> ROFLMAO....
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
>
> Who was impeached?

 What was the verdict in the impeachment trial? After years of
investigating Whitewater,filegate ,travelgate and Vince Foster what did
Ken Starr report.
 By the way, thanks for that great explanation of why Cheney said the
WMDs that Bush said were found never existed.

> If Bush lied...impeach him....
Scott in Florida - 25 Feb 2008 18:24 GMT
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time for the adults to come in and start cleaning up the mess.
>>>>>>>>>>>> ROFLMAO....
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>
>  What was the verdict in the impeachment trial?

Only because the Democrats voted as a block....not guilty.

We KNOW he was guilty.

Tell us why George W. Bush has not been impeached.

To hear you liberals he should be in prison.


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George Grapman - 25 Feb 2008 18:39 GMT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time for the adults to come in and start cleaning up the mess.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ROFLMAO....
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
>
> Only because the Democrats voted as a block....not guilty.

 So why were there less than 50  guilty votes on several charges when
Republicans had a majority?

> We KNOW he was guilty.

 Guilty of lying about consensual sex. Care to tell us what Ken Starr
reported about Whitewater, filegate,travelgate and Vince Foster after
years and millions of dollars?

> Tell us why George W. Bush has not been impeached.
>
> To hear you liberals he should be in prison.
Simpson - 25 Feb 2008 17:41 GMT
>>>>>>>>>> Time for the adults to come in and start cleaning up the mess.
>>>>>>>>> ROFLMAO....
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>
> Billy Bob Blow Job Klintoon was a joke of a prez....

But no one can dispute that Junior has provided us with more laughs than
any other president in US history:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0TnqUlB4Gg&feature=related
Scott in Florida - 25 Feb 2008 18:07 GMT
>>>>>>>>>>> Time for the adults to come in and start cleaning up the mess.
>>>>>>>>>> ROFLMAO....
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>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0TnqUlB4Gg&feature=related

He is a close second to Billy Bob Blow Job Klintoon.

The real difference is George W. Bush is a great President.

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George Grapman - 25 Feb 2008 18:16 GMT
>>>>>>>>>>>> Time for the adults to come in and start cleaning up the mess.
>>>>>>>>>>> ROFLMAO....
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>
> The real difference is George W. Bush is a great President.

   Yes, he responded to 9/11 by invading a country a country that had
no connection to that attack.
  His administration said the war would be over in months, we would be
welcomed as liberators and oil revenues would pay for the war.
 He gave us record deficits.
 Your only response to these things are whining about a blow job.
Gary DeWaay - 27 Feb 2008 03:23 GMT
Scott in Florida's at JustAskl@verizon.net wisdom:  


> >And in spite of all that, he's still more popular than Junior.
> >
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>
> Billy Bob Blow Job Klintoon was a joke of a prez....

..sez a 33 percenter.  How many elections do you guys plan on winning with
67 percent of the country standing in line in freezing weather waiting to
vote against you?

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George Grapman - 25 Feb 2008 17:38 GMT
>>>>>>>> Time for the adults to come in and start cleaning up the mess.
>>>>>>> ROFLMAO....
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> big mac's and little sweet interns, smiled a lot, made some speeches and
> played cards late at night.  He's a bum.

 Yet his approval rating during the impeachment were higher than the
current numbers for Bush.
Scott in Florida - 25 Feb 2008 18:09 GMT
>>>>>>>>> Time for the adults to come in and start cleaning up the mess.
>>>>>>>> ROFLMAO....
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>  Yet his approval rating during the impeachment were higher than the
>current numbers for Bush.

Popularity does not measure  a President.

The future will find George W. Bush as a great President.

Billy Bob Blow Job Klintoon has already become a laffin stock.

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Scott in  Florida

George Grapman - 25 Feb 2008 18:18 GMT
>>>>>>>>>> Time for the adults to come in and start cleaning up the mess.
>>>>>>>>> ROFLMAO....
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>
> Billy Bob Blow Job Klintoon has already become a laffin stock.

  What will the deem his greatest achievement:

  A war whose only justification now is we can not leave because we are
there?
  Record deficits?
  FEMA?
  Lower real wages?

 Try to defend Bush instead of moaning about a blow job.
Scott in Florida - 25 Feb 2008 18:29 GMT
>>>>>>>>>>> Time for the adults to come in and start cleaning up the mess.
>>>>>>>>>> ROFLMAO....
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>   FEMA?
>   Lower real wages?

Oh....I see....

ROFLMAO

We had justification for going to war in Iraq.

...and oh by the way we are WINNING.

We are at war.

With war come deficits.

FEMA?

Perhaps the problem is with Democrat's lousy performance.

FEMA is NOT the first responder.

The LOCAL government is.

Tell us how the Local Democratically run states did?


What the hell does a President have to do with wages?

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Scott in  Florida

George Grapman - 25 Feb 2008 18:46 GMT
>>>>>>>>>>>> Time for the adults to come in and start cleaning up the mess.
>>>>>>>>>>> ROFLMAO....
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>
> We had justification for going to war in Iraq.

  Really? Would that be the WMDs that Bush said were found but Cheney
later said never existed? Maybe you still think Saddam was behind
9/11.Maybe you believe we invaded because Saddam tortured his people,
something Bush never mentioned before 9/11/

> ...and oh by the way we are WINNING.

 But we were told that it would be over in  months. we would be
welcomed as liberators and oil revenues would pay for the war.

> We are at war.
>
> With war come deficits.

  Nice try, the war is off budget. Remove the war and you still have a
deficit

> FEMA?
>
> Perhaps the problem is with Democrat's lousy performance.

 Oh, right, the Democrats are to blame for the ineptitude of FEMA under
Bush. They are to blame that a man with no background in  emergency
response got the job,

> FEMA is NOT the first responder.

> The LOCAL government is.
>
> Tell us how the Local Democratically run states did?

 As bad as FEMA.

>  
> What the hell does a President have to do with wages?

 You already credited Bush for a a great economy. Guess he takes credit
for the alleged positives but not for the negatives but , than again,
this is the no fault administration.
Gary DeWaay - 27 Feb 2008 03:27 GMT
Scott in Florida's at JustAskl@verizon.net wisdom:  


> We had justification for going to war in Iraq.
>
> ...and oh by the way we are WINNING.

Oh really?  How do we know?  

What benchmarks have been fulfilled Bubba-Scott?

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Scott in Florida - 27 Feb 2008 03:51 GMT
>Scott in Florida's at JustAskl@verizon.net wisdom:  
>
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>
>What benchmarks have been fulfilled Bubba-Scott?

The Generals in charge....

...or don't you believe them?

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George Grapman - 27 Feb 2008 07:44 GMT
>> Scott in Florida's at JustAskl@verizon.net wisdom:  
>>
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>
> ...or don't you believe them?

 And if they were losing would they admit it?
Scott  in  Florida - 27 Feb 2008 13:08 GMT
>>> Scott in Florida's at JustAskl@verizon.net wisdom:  
>>>
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>>
>  And if they were losing would they admit it?

Of course....

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George Grapman - 27 Feb 2008 07:44 GMT
>> Scott in Florida's at JustAskl@verizon.net wisdom:  
>>
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>
> ...or don't you believe them?

  BET you believed Westmoreland,too.
Gary DeWaay - 28 Feb 2008 05:57 GMT
Scott in Florida's at JustAskl@verizon.net wisdom:  


> >What benchmarks have been fulfilled Bubba-Scott?
>
> The Generals in charge....
>
> ...or don't you believe them?

The fulfilled benchmarks are that the generals are in charge?  

The Bush Adm. has already admitted how poorly they have done in meeting
the benchmarks.

Is a complete lack of knowledge of history AND current events a
prerequisite for being a rightie or something?

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Scott  in  Florida - 28 Feb 2008 12:39 GMT
>Scott in Florida's at JustAskl@verizon.net wisdom:  
>
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>Is a complete lack of knowledge of history AND current events a
>prerequisite for being a rightie or something?

Tell us how bad we are doing....

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Vandar - 25 Feb 2008 15:26 GMT
>>>>> Time for the adults to come in and start cleaning up the mess.
>>>>
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>  A Rhodes scholar from a poor family who left office with a booming
> economy

The economy was not booming when Clinton left office. It was rapidly
declining.
Baldin Lee Pramer - 25 Feb 2008 15:29 GMT
> > Time for the adults to come in and start cleaning up the mess.
>
> ROFLMAO....
>
> The Magic Negro is an adult?

Hyulk! Mega dittoes, Rush! A-hyulk!

BLP
edspyhill01@yahoo.com - 25 Feb 2008 15:55 GMT
On Feb 25, 10:29 am, Baldin Lee Pramer <baldinleepra...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> > > Time for the adults to come in and start cleaning up the mess.
>
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>
> BLP

Mega dildoes, ditto head.
Don't Taze Me, Bro! - 25 Feb 2008 01:11 GMT
>>> The Nadar run will mean nothing.
>>>
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>
> turk

What a snippy response. I personally dont like any of the candidates
running.. but if you think Nader fans are going to go away during a McCain
vs Obama extravaganza, then very well.
George Grapman - 25 Feb 2008 01:18 GMT
>>>> The Nadar run will mean nothing.
>>>>
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> running.. but if you think Nader fans are going to go away during a McCain
> vs Obama extravaganza, then very well.

   Name one state where Nader was a factor in 2004.
dbu - 25 Feb 2008 00:35 GMT
> The Nadar run will mean nothing.
>
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>
> Guess what?

Nader=crackpot.
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edspyhill01@yahoo.com - 25 Feb 2008 02:03 GMT
On Feb 24, 5:44 pm, "Don't Taze Me, Bro!" <No1Exis...@Earth1.net>
wrote:
> Some of the best news for McCain has happened this week. The New York Times
> totally screwed up in their liberal rhetoric and then Nader announced he
> would run.
>
> Democrats should convince Paul to run on a 3rd party ticket.

Looks like the Republicans will win again.  Isn't Nader some sort of
Manchurian Candidate for Democratic presidential elections?  He can't
be this clueless that he is an election spoiler.
Tom Sr. - 25 Feb 2008 15:36 GMT
Nader is running on a threadmill.

-Tom Sr.
Jeff - 25 Feb 2008 15:37 GMT
> Nader is running on a threadmill.
>
>  -Tom Sr.

Maybe we can attach a generator and let plug it into the grid to save
some oil!
Hachiroku ハチロク - 26 Feb 2008 03:11 GMT
> Some of the best news for McCain has happened this week. The New York
> Times totally screwed up in their liberal rhetoric and then Nader
> announced he would run.
>
> Democrats should convince Paul to run on a 3rd party ticket.

My God, is this man an idiot!

Here's what he said on the BBC last night about what America 'needs':

"...and organized labor. The Taft Hartley act has made it hard for
American labor to organize..."

What century is this guy in? Yeah, at one time labor movements were
needed. This is the 21st century, and, for one thing, there *IS* no labor
in the US, and for the few manufacturing jobs there are, organizing would
probably send them to China or Africa.

I have been in two unions; I have NEVER been a fan of unions, and now that
your manufacturing can be done elsewhere for pennies on the dollar, the
last thing we need is an unskilled workforce demanding more money for
something that a Kenyan, Thai or Chinese would do in a heartbeat without
question.

He was a buffoon years ago, and he still is...
Wickeddoll® - 27 Feb 2008 03:55 GMT
"Don't Taze Me, Bro!" ...
> Some of the best news for McCain has happened this week. The New York
> Times totally screwed up in their liberal rhetoric and then Nader
> announced he would run.
>
> Democrats should convince Paul to run on a 3rd party ticket.

The cartoonists are having a field day:

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Natalie
n5hsr@comcast.net - 28 Feb 2008 04:06 GMT
> Some of the best news for McCain has happened this week. The New York
> Times totally screwed up in their liberal rhetoric and then Nader
> announced he would run.
>
> Democrats should convince Paul to run on a 3rd party ticket.

At Nader's age, are we sure he's running?  Maybe he's just walking very
fast?  <g>

Go ahead Natalie, I deserve a fwap on that one.

Charles the Curmudgeon
Wickeddoll® - 28 Feb 2008 04:24 GMT
<n5hsr@comcast.net> ...

> "Don't Taze Me, Bro!" ..
>> Some of the best news for McCain has happened this week. The New York
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>
> Charles the Curmudgeon

Why should I?

I agree - the old codger needs to let go of the dream.

Natalie
 
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