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Don't Taze Me, Bro! - 25 Feb 2008 02:03 GMT Blacks don't worry about Obama's safety, but the media has told them that they do. That has to be one of the most silly stories lately. As if a people somehow have a personal relationship with a political leader, enough to "worry" about them.
I hope that no President is ever assasinated, but that story just made me laugh. As soon as it was posted, you saw the boards light up with "We are worried about Obama" posts.
This is just more proof that the media encourages everyone to feel a certain way... creating a market for stories that they can sell...
JoeSpareBedroom - 25 Feb 2008 02:05 GMT > Blacks don't worry about Obama's safety, but the media has told them that > they do. That has to be one of the most silly stories lately. As if a [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > This is just more proof that the media encourages everyone to feel a > certain way... creating a market for stories that they can sell... Spend an hour browsing messages in talk.politics.guns, and then tell me if you think there might be a reason for a black candidate to at least we wearing a kevlar vest, and maybe carrying a sidearm and several extra magazines on his belt.
There are some crazy fuckin' people in this country.
Don't Taze Me, Bro! - 25 Feb 2008 02:16 GMT > Spend an hour browsing messages in talk.politics.guns, and then tell me if > you think there might be a reason for a black candidate to at least we > wearing a kevlar vest, and maybe carrying a sidearm and several extra > magazines on his belt. I think every President has a reason to wear a vest in public. There is always an equal opportunity for psychos to try and take out a Candidate. How long do you think muslim fanatics have been hoping for a shot at the current President?
With that said, I don't worry about any Presidents safety. I don't have the time and more so do not have a personal relationship with them. Murdering them would only make them martyrs... Most of the time, the real people they worry about are the psychotic ones. The ones like those who kill for fame.
> There are some crazy fuckin' people in this country. In any country. Which is exactly my point. This media story was a non story. It is nothing we have not known about famous people and politicians for quite some time.
Simps0n - 25 Feb 2008 02:05 GMT > Blacks don't worry about Obama's safety, but the media has told them that > they do. That has to be one of the most silly stories lately. As if a people [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > This is just more proof that the media encourages everyone to feel a certain > way... creating a market for stories that they can sell... I can tell you have never been black in America.
Don't Taze Me, Bro! - 25 Feb 2008 02:18 GMT > I can tell you have never been black in America. My father is full blooded African American. My mother is caucasian. I have seen my fair share of racism growing up in Texas. With that said, no one in my family sobs at night about Obama's safety. NO ONE!
You prove a point though. The media is feeding off of the race card.
Simpson - 25 Feb 2008 02:21 GMT >> I can tell you have never been black in America. > > My father is full blooded African American. My mother is caucasian. I have > seen my fair share of racism growing up in Texas. With that said, no one in > my family sobs at night about Obama's safety. NO ONE! And your family is proxy for all blacks in America.
Got it...
> You prove a point though. The media is feeding off of the race card. witfal - 25 Feb 2008 02:24 GMT >>> I can tell you have never been black in America. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Got it... So you claim he can't understand what it is to be black in America. Then you say it doesn't matter that he is.
Got it.
You've been owned.
witfal - 25 Feb 2008 02:29 GMT >>> I can tell you have never been black in America. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Got it... So you claim that he doesn't know what it is to be black in America. Then you say it doesn't matter that he is.
Got it.
You've been owned.
Don't Taze Me, Bro! - 25 Feb 2008 02:42 GMT > And your family is proxy for all blacks in America. > > Got it... If you buy the media's diatribe that blacks sob at night about Obama's safety, then it shows what a fool you are and shows how they are using my fathers ancestors as a tool for an evolving story.
>> You prove a point though. The media is feeding off of the race card. JoeSpareBedroom - 25 Feb 2008 02:44 GMT >> And your family is proxy for all blacks in America. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > safety, then it shows what a fool you are and shows how they are using my > fathers ancestors as a tool for an evolving story. Assuming blacks are like the rest of the population, a large percentage are either too young to know why they might worry, or too wrapped up TV to have a clue about the past 50 years of U.S. history. Yawn burp pass the Fritos, ya know?
Simpson - 25 Feb 2008 02:56 GMT >> And your family is proxy for all blacks in America. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > safety, then it shows what a fool you are and shows how they are using my > fathers ancestors as a tool for an evolving story. You're over-dramatizing people's concern.
Sobbing at night about Obama's safety?
Which medium has used anything close to that way of describing what is a rational and real concern?
>>> You prove a point though. The media is feeding off of the race card. JoeSpareBedroom - 25 Feb 2008 02:23 GMT >> I can tell you have never been black in America. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > You prove a point though. The media is feeding off of the race card. The real issue here is how many people out there dream of repeating the assassination of Martin Luther King. You know: Some out of work impotent nut job who thinks he lost his job because of someone else who's certainly black.
Don't Taze Me, Bro! - 25 Feb 2008 02:43 GMT > The real issue here is how many people out there dream of repeating the > assassination of Martin Luther King. You know: Some out of work impotent > nut job who thinks he lost his job because of someone else who's certainly > black. How many people dream of repeating the assasination of JFK and Lincoln? Many... but the point is that this is not something people worry about... or at least not enough to make a worthy story for a newspaper...
Wickeddoll® - 25 Feb 2008 03:17 GMT "Don't Taze Me, Bro!" ...
> "Simps0n" ... >> I can tell you have never been black in America. > > My father is full blooded African American. My mother is caucasian. I have > seen my fair share of racism growing up in Texas. With that said, no one > in my family sobs at night about Obama's safety. NO ONE! I believe you with the not worrying about Obama, but how can you be certain your dad is 100%? Slaves were cattle, with no identity, so their masters could do whatever they wanted, and they did. I know I'm not 100%, since my skin is way too light to be 100% African (my mother is what is known as "high yellow", herself). Maybe I misunderstood you - maybe you meant your father was mostly African, as are most blacks in the U.S.?
> You prove a point though. The media is feeding off of the race card. We can agree there.
Natalie
Jeff - 25 Feb 2008 03:30 GMT > "Don't Taze Me, Bro!" ... >> "Simps0n" ... [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > your dad is 100%? Slaves were cattle, with no identity, so their masters > could do whatever they wanted, and they did. Brings a new meaning to saying Jefferson was a father of the country, huh?
> I know I'm not 100%, since my > skin is way too light to be 100% African (my mother is what is known as > "high yellow", herself). Maybe I misunderstood you - maybe you meant your > father was mostly African, as are most blacks in the U.S.? Yet we're all 100% under the skin. And the ancestors of all us were in Africa about 50,000 years ago. So, the division into black and white is not all that important.
I think the term "African American" is silly. And why do you call someone from Kenya (like Obama's father; Stanly Obama was white)? African African?
And why is Obama considered black when his Stanley Obama was white?
Jeff
>> You prove a point though. The media is feeding off of the race card.
> We can agree there. > > Natalie JoeSpareBedroom - 25 Feb 2008 03:31 GMT >> "Don't Taze Me, Bro!" ... >>> "Simps0n" ... [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Jeff I am openly confused, and will now make popcorn.
witfal - 25 Feb 2008 03:37 GMT > I am openly confused, and will now make popcorn. Any excuse. Sheesh.
Wickeddoll® - 25 Feb 2008 03:47 GMT "Jeff" ...
>> "Don't Taze Me, Bro!" ... >>> "Simps0n" ... [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Brings a new meaning to saying Jefferson was a father of the country, huh? LOL yeah. I think Sally Hemmings was only *one* of his dalliances, frankly.
>> I know I'm not 100%, since my skin is way too light to be 100% African >> (my mother is what is known as "high yellow", herself). Maybe I [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Africa about 50,000 years ago. So, the division into black and white is > not all that important. It wouldn't be important, even if there weren't that history, but try telling that to some.
> I think the term "African American" is silly. And why do you call someone > from Kenya (like Obama's father; Stanly Obama was white)? African African? > > And why is Obama considered black when his Stanley Obama was white? > > Jeff I think that goes back to the "one-drop" rule.
Natalie
larry moe 'n curly - 25 Feb 2008 04:35 GMT > "Don't Taze Me, Bro!" ... > > > > "Simps0n" ...
> >> I can tell you have never been black in America. > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I believe you with the not worrying about Obama, but how can you be certain > your dad is 100%? The average black American is about 30% non-African, and just 10% of them have only African genetics.
edspyhill01@yahoo.com - 25 Feb 2008 03:42 GMT On Feb 24, 9:18 pm, "Don't Taze Me, Bro!" <No1Exis...@Earth1.net> wrote:
> > I can tell you have never been black in America. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > You prove a point though. The media is feeding off of the race card. So! Who cares. We should ignore Obama's safety because one multi- racial family doesn't care about Obama? Get a grip.
rantonrave@mail.com - 25 Feb 2008 13:27 GMT >My father is full blooded African American. My mother is caucasian. My children are aryan, according to the Nazi party, but not on their caucasian side.
wbyeats@ireland.com - 25 Feb 2008 16:13 GMT >> I can tell you have never been black in America. > >My father is full blooded African American. My mother is caucasian. I have >seen my fair share of racism growing up in Texas. With that said, no one in >my family sobs at night about Obama's safety. NO ONE! >You prove a point though. The media is feeding off of the race card. There's no such thing as a "full blooded African-American". And you are so proud of your heritage that your nym is 'Don't Taze Me Bro'. Yeah, right.
WB Yeats
edspyhill01@yahoo.com - 25 Feb 2008 02:13 GMT On Feb 24, 9:03 pm, "Don't Taze Me, Bro!" <No1Exis...@Earth1.net> wrote:
> Blacks don't worry about Obama's safety, but the media has told them that > they do. That has to be one of the most silly stories lately. As if a people [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > This is just more proof that the media encourages everyone to feel a certain > way... creating a market for stories that they can sell... During one Obama rally in Dallas the Secret Service dismantled the metal detectors one hour before Obama arrived. They allowed people to enter the rally for over an hour without being checked for weapons. The Dallas police complained but the Secret Service just ignored them.
Doesn't sound like Obama is being protected too well.
Ed S.
Don't Taze Me, Bro! - 25 Feb 2008 02:31 GMT >During one Obama rally in Dallas the Secret Service dismantled the >metal detectors one hour before Obama arrived. They allowed people to >enter the rally for over an hour without being checked for weapons. >The Dallas police complained but the Secret Service just ignored them. Ironically the "blacks worry about obama story" came out hours after Drudge posted that on his site. The SS had been letting people into the Obama ralley for 2 hours. all of the bottom teir and most of the top teir was full. That means someone who have had to hit Obama from at least 100 yards away with a hand gun... Again, another non story. If someone wanted to do this well enough and was a good shot then they would not try to sneak in to an arena with a gun. If they had planned to then they would have tried to get close...
edspyhill01@yahoo.com - 25 Feb 2008 03:40 GMT On Feb 24, 9:31 pm, "Don't Taze Me, Bro!" <No1Exis...@Earth1.net> wrote:
> <edspyhil...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > an arena with a gun. If they had planned to then they would have tried to > get close... Whether Obama is white or afican american, he is running to the Democratic party presidential nomination. I bet Hillary's and McCain's security details are not that lax. How about somebody with an automatic weapon with no stock, with a screw-on 18" - 24" barrel and a nice big clip? Spray the stage with a 100 or so 9mm slugs and somebody might hit something. And don't count on it being an amateur.
witfal - 25 Feb 2008 04:29 GMT > Whether Obama is white or afican american, he is running to the > Democratic party presidential nomination. I bet Hillary's and > McCain's security details are not that lax. How about somebody with > an automatic weapon with no stock, with a screw-on 18" - 24" barrel > and a nice big clip? Spray the stage with a 100 or so 9mm slugs and > somebody might hit something. You'd be surprised just how little is hit when using full-auto beyond 25 yards. A 100 round "clip" (should be "magazine") is pretty bulky no matter the caliber, so isn't going to make the weapon that concealable. Pros seldom use full-auto unless at very close range. It just isn't that easy to control muzzle climb. Trust me.
> And don't count on it being an amateur. What you've outlined is exactly that.
edspyhill01@yahoo.com - 25 Feb 2008 04:54 GMT > On 2008-02-24 19:40:26 -0800, "edspyhil...@yahoo.com" > <edspyhil...@yahoo.com> said: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > What you've outlined is exactly that. . .
> A 100 round "clip" (should be "magazine") Well, Excuuuse mee. ;-)
> It just isn't that easy to control muzzle climb. Trust me. So I guess firing an auto weapon (doesn't have to be full auto) held sideways with one hand steadying the barrel which is now being recoiled to the right or left is unheard of in your militia?
And with all the lunatics passing through Blackwater we have a dirth of trained shooters roaming the streets of America?
witfal - 25 Feb 2008 05:29 GMT >> A 100 round "clip" (should be "magazine") > > Well, Excuuuse mee. ;-) No problem. A common mistake.
>> It just isn't that easy to control muzzle climb. Trust me. > > So I guess firing an auto weapon (doesn't have to be full auto) held > sideways with one hand steadying the barrel which is now being > recoiled to the right or left is unheard of in your militia? Try it. Get back to me on how that works for you. :-)
> And with all the lunatics passing through Blackwater we have a dirth > of trained shooters roaming the streets of America? A dearth of shooters isn't the problem. The laws of physics apply to everyone.
larry moe 'n curly - 25 Feb 2008 04:46 GMT > Whether Obama is white or afican american, he is running to the > Democratic party presidential nomination. I bet Hillary's and > McCain's security details are not that lax. How about somebody with > an automatic weapon with no stock, with a screw-on 18" - 24" barrel > and a nice big clip? Spray the stage with a 100 or so 9mm slugs and > somebody might hit something. And don't count on it being an amateur. What professional has ever tried to kill a US president or presidential candidate in the US? .I think they've all been amateurs, although professionals would have probably carried out the assassination of FDR if the Business Plot (many rich families were behind it, including some DuPonts and Bushes) hadn't been foiled.
edspyhill01@yahoo.com - 25 Feb 2008 03:45 GMT On Feb 24, 9:31 pm, "Don't Taze Me, Bro!" <No1Exis...@Earth1.net> wrote:
> <edspyhil...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > an arena with a gun. If they had planned to then they would have tried to > get close... I heard about it Friday on a radio talkshow before it was on Dredge
Wickeddoll® - 25 Feb 2008 03:14 GMT "Don't Taze Me, Bro!"
> Blacks don't worry about Obama's safety, but the media has told them that > they do. That has to be one of the most silly stories lately. As if a [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > This is just more proof that the media encourages everyone to feel a > certain way... creating a market for stories that they can sell... Personally, I'm more worried about my children's safety, with all the random shootings in this country.
I don't believe Obama is in any more danger than any other politician.
Natalie
JoeSpareBedroom - 25 Feb 2008 03:24 GMT > "Don't Taze Me, Bro!" >> Blacks don't worry about Obama's safety, but the media has told them that [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Natalie I'm in upstate NY. I once returned from a boy scout trip, following another dad, a black cop. He said "We can push the speed a little. I'll just flash the shield if we get pulled over. But, NOT IN BROOME COUNTY!" Why? KKK has it tentacles in the sheriff's department and the state police in that neck of the woods.
On a lighter note, George Carlin, explaining more of everything:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dcr8dm9Prkk
Don't Taze Me, Bro! - 25 Feb 2008 03:29 GMT > Personally, I'm more worried about my children's safety, with all the > random shootings in this country. > > I don't believe Obama is in any more danger than any other politician. > > Natalie agreed
edspyhill01@yahoo.com - 25 Feb 2008 03:48 GMT On Feb 24, 10:14 pm, "Wickeddoll®" <wickeddollnofeckingspam1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Don't Taze Me, Bro!" > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Natalie You are being naive. Obama is in more danger because the threatens the corporate oligarchy in America. Doesn't matter what race he is. JFK & RFK were white, MLK was black.
Wickeddoll® - 25 Feb 2008 04:09 GMT <edspyhill01@yahoo.com> "Wickeddoll®" wrote:
> "Don't Taze Me, Bro!" > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Natalie You are being naive. Obama is in more danger because the threatens the corporate oligarchy in America. Doesn't matter what race he is. JFK & RFK were white, MLK was black.
Espy
So you're saying he's doomed because he represents breaking up the old boy network?
That seems far-fetched to me. The Kennedys had already ruffled feathers long before JFK and & RFK were in office.
MLK was fighting a tide in a country that had barely begun to recognize civil rights for all Americans. They were in an entirely different time, different situations.
Obama wouldn't have had a snowball's chance in hell of winning, had he lived during that time.
Natalie
JoeSpareBedroom - 25 Feb 2008 04:14 GMT > <edspyhill01@yahoo.com> > "Wickeddoll®" [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > Natalie Within days of being elected, Obama will be firmly latched onto the corporate nipple like every other president. And, like all the candidates, he's already on the dole from corporate contributors.
edspyhill01@yahoo.com - 25 Feb 2008 04:47 GMT On Feb 24, 11:09 pm, "Wickeddoll®" <wickeddollnofeckingspam1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> <edspyhil...@yahoo.com> > "Wickeddoll®" [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Well, princess, we ain't talking about Obama running THEN, are we?
Wickeddoll® - 25 Feb 2008 04:54 GMT <edspyhill01@yahoo.com>
> "Wickeddoll®" > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Well, princess, we ain't talking about Obama running THEN, are we?
Espy
If you're going to be insulting, we don't have to talk at all.
Natalie
edspyhill01@yahoo.com - 25 Feb 2008 04:57 GMT On Feb 24, 11:54 pm, "Wickeddoll®" <wickeddollnofeckingspam1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> <edspyhil...@yahoo.com> > [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Well there you go.
Simpson - 25 Feb 2008 04:59 GMT > On Feb 24, 11:54 pm, "Wickeddoll®" > <wickeddollnofeckingspam1...@yahoo.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > Well there you go. No... there *you* go.
haha... you got served!
JoeSpareBedroom - 25 Feb 2008 05:02 GMT On Feb 24, 11:54 pm, "Wickeddoll®" <wickeddollnofeckingspam1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> <edspyhil...@yahoo.com> > [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Well there you go.
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She gave you THE LOOK, and you can't even see her. But it worked.
edspyhill01@yahoo.com - 25 Feb 2008 05:16 GMT > <edspyhil...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 77 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Look at you guys, how cute, like big brothers. So touching, chivalrous, even. Hey, your girl bowed out and headed for the door. That's YOUR girl.
Simpson - 25 Feb 2008 05:27 GMT >> <edspyhil...@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > chivalrous, even. Hey, your girl bowed out and headed for the door. > That's YOUR girl. She cleaned your clock. Take it like a man.
edspyhill01@yahoo.com - 25 Feb 2008 11:59 GMT > edspyhil...@yahoo.com wrote: > >> <edspyhil...@yahoo.com> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > > - Show quoted text - . .
> She cleaned your clock. In the bizarro world of Usenet/Google. In the real world it was boo hoo, I'm not talking to you. You all live in the virtual world too much. Try to get out amongst real people and have face to face discussions.
JoeSpareBedroom - 25 Feb 2008 13:06 GMT On Feb 25, 12:02 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborea...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> <edspyhil...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 87 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Look at you guys, how cute, like big brothers. So touching, chivalrous, even. Hey, your girl bowed out and headed for the door. That's YOUR girl.
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Hey...I'm just watching the show, like a sports commentator.
Mike hunt - 25 Feb 2008 16:48 GMT Why would anybody think that? Why do some people seem to think "Corporations" are generally bad? Such thinking makes no sense. Incorporating is what makes it possible for a company to grow, generally buy issuing stock, bought mostly by insurance companies, trusts, pension plans, and individuals who "own" the Corporation.
Were we better off when only the "rich" owned big companies? Did we forget the "Robber Barons" of old? Henry Ford realized if people were going to be able to purchase his cars they need money. That is why he started his "Five dollar day" to raise the wag standard for all Americans. More importantly today Corporations employ more people at higher wages than the average small business they sell to and employ people of all races. Why would they want to hold down the customer's ability to obtain wealth?
Jackie Robinson proved that whites would pay money to see a good "performer" albeit an athlete, actor, musician etc. Where would our black performer be if whites and corporations did not purchase their services?
We hear politicians so often telling us they will not bow to the "special Interests." Which "special interest?" Your employer or your Union, Move On, Green Peace, NBC or Fox, GM or a foreign corporation, the environuts of those that want reasonable environmental laws that do not force your employer off shore or out of business? Those that want you to pay the "costs" of your special interest or somebody else's?
If so may white Americans are willing to "employ" a black man as their President can NASCAR be far behind? LOL
> On Feb 25, 12:02 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborea...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> <edspyhil...@yahoo.com> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> > > "Wickeddoll®" >> > > wrote:
>> > > You are being naive. Obama is in more danger because the threatens >> > > the corporate oligarchy in America. Doesn't matter what race he is. >> > > JFK & RFK were white, MLK was black. Jeff - 25 Feb 2008 17:49 GMT > Why would anybody think that? Why do some people seem to think > "Corporations" are generally bad? Such thinking makes no sense. > Incorporating is what makes it possible for a company to grow, generally buy > issuing stock, bought mostly by insurance companies, trusts, pension plans, > and individuals who "own" the Corporation. Corporations are owned by stockholders. They are responsible first to their stockholders, not their costumers.
Look at the way drug companies give gifts to doctors, so they will prescribe their drugs. And the way drug companies don't release negative clinical studies or negative information about their drugs that could help patients and doctors make better decisions. There is a good reason why drug companies and insurance companies are almost always for-profit companies and not non-profit organizations: so they can make money for their stockholders.
Look at the way companies blow off mountain tops in West Virgina to get at the coal. They aren't doing it this way because it is good for the environment!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6462-2004Aug16.html
(And please don't tell us that coal is found only in the valleys. That may be true in Eastern PA, but the geology is different in WV and other places where they do mountaintop mining.)
> Were we better off when only the "rich" owned big companies? The rich own most of the companies. The richest 1% of the people own about 1/3 of the wealth of this country. The poorest 50% of the country own 3% of the wealth of this country.
> Did we forget > the "Robber Barons" of old? Henry Ford realized if people were going to be > able to purchase his cars they need money. That is why he started his "Five > dollar day" to raise the wag standard for all Americans. From wikipedia:
"Ford astonished the world in 1914 by offering a $5 per day wage, which more than doubled the rate of most of his workers. The move proved extremely profitable; instead of constant turnover of employees, the best mechanics in Detroit flocked to Ford, bringing in their human capital and expertise, raising productivity, and lowering training costs. Ford called it "wage motive." The company's use of vertical integration also proved successful when Ford built a gigantic factory that shipped in raw materials and shipped out finished automobiles."
Ford didn't increase the wage to increase the income of Americans. He did it because he thought it would decrease worker turnover. Decreasing worker turnover improves profitability.
http://www.michigan.gov/hal/0,1607,7-160-17451_18670_18793-53441--,00.html
> More importantly > today Corporations employ more people at higher wages than the average small > business they sell to and employ people of all races. Why would they want > to hold down the customer's ability to obtain wealth? Gee, that's why Wal-Mart pays it workers $100 per hour, and pays its suppliers twice the going rate for their goods and services. That's why US companies never outsource call centers and software engineering jobs to India, too. ;-)
> Jackie Robinson proved that whites would pay money to see a good "performer" > albeit an athlete, actor, musician etc. Actually, the Harlem Globe Trotters did that before Robinson. Although they are original from the midwest, they called themselves the Harlem Globe Trotters so people would know that their local team would be playing a black team.
> Where would our black performer be > if whites and corporations did not purchase their services? McDonalds?
Unfortunately, most famous black people are athletes or other performers. Most black kids won't go on to become professional athletes. Maybe one in 10,000 will. That means of the 600,000 black kids in NYC schools today, only 60 or so will become black athletes. There are some good role models in science, like Ben Carson, who was the youngest ever division chief at Johns Hopkins (pediatric neurosurgery) and Erich Jarvis of Duke university (brain research), but not enough.
When I used to go to national science meetings, I noticed that the rooms were awfully white.
> We hear politicians so often telling us they will not bow to the "special > Interests." Which "special interest?" Your employer or your Union. , Move > On, Green Peace, NBC or Fox, GM or a foreign corporation, the environuts of > those that want reasonable environmental laws that do not force your > employer off shore or out of business? Those that want you to pay the > "costs" of your special interest or somebody else's? Protecting the land the gives us oxygen and food does not make one a nut.
> If so may white Americans are willing to "employ" a black man as their > President can NASCAR be far behind? LOL NASCAR has Bill Lester in the truck series. However, the France family, which controls NASCAR is white, as is Mike Helton, the president of NASCAR.
Unfortunately, there are not many senior executives in large companies that are minorities or females. In addition, in science and engineering, there are relatively few blacks, as well.
When Minnie Lee Jones was growing up, it never occurred to her that she can become a female black doctor because she had never heard of one (it never occurred to me that I could become a female black doctor either, but that's because I am not female or black). She became the first black Surgeon General.
Jeff
>> On Feb 25, 12:02 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborea...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> <edspyhil...@yahoo.com> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >>>>> the corporate oligarchy in America. Doesn't matter what race he is. >>>>> JFK & RFK were white, MLK was black. Mike hunt - 25 Feb 2008 22:59 GMT We know you like to pick a part of every post with which you can argue but do you actually believe everything you read on the web? Are you really that slow?
The profits increased because that giant Ford, totally integrated plant that made the steel, glass and all of the parts as well as the cars, is what made it possible for Ford to meet the ever growing demand for the cars he was beginning to sell at ever declining retail prices... You might want to check the selling price of the model "T" over the years
By the way employing the best of the best tech from all around the area, at higher wages than anybody else, was how I went for from two Fleet Service shops, when I started the business, to twenty six in six eastern states when sold it twelve years later.
That's why I like good unions. They set work standards that provided me with the best most productive worker I ever employed. When the techs in our Pennsylvania shop voted to join the Machinists Union, my partner wanted out, thinking we would go broke. I had to buy him out and became sole owner. After I took over, I offered my shop in Delaware to the Union. LOL
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>> Why would anybody think that? Why do some people seem to think >> "Corporations" are generally bad? Such thinking makes no sense. [quoted text clipped - 127 lines] >>>>>> the corporate oligarchy in America. Doesn't matter what race he is. >>>>>> JFK & RFK were white, MLK was black. Jeff - 26 Feb 2008 13:20 GMT > We know you like to pick a part of every post with which you can argue but > do you actually believe everything you read on the web? Are you really that [quoted text clipped - 140 lines] >>>>>>> the corporate oligarchy in America. Doesn't matter what race he is. >>>>>>> JFK & RFK were white, MLK was black. Of course I don't believe I read on the web. For example, I believe very little of your posts. ;-)
I use other sources besides the web, like books and Science magazine. And I take media like the NY Times, NPR and Fox news with a grain of salt. They all have their own agendas.
As far as Ford's paying workers a relatively high wage, I didn't mean to imply that this was the only reason why his company was more profitable by any means. Only that by increasing his employees wages, the employees were more productive, because turnover went way down. perhaps, I should have said increase productivity instead increase profitability. Sorry if I was confusing.
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Mike hunt - 26 Feb 2008 18:01 GMT Apologies are not necessary. I have bantered back and forth enough times to have realize a long time ago that you are often easily confused, when you choose to comment on some subjects ;)
>> The profits increased because that giant Ford, totally integrated plant >> that made the steel, glass and all of the parts as well as the cars, is >> what made it possible for Ford to meet the ever growing demand for the >> cars he was beginning to sell at ever declining retail prices... You >> might want to check the selling price of the model "T" over the years .
> As far as Ford's paying workers a relatively high wage, I didn't mean to > imply that this was the only reason why his company was more profitable by [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Jeff Ralph - 25 Feb 2008 16:12 GMT > I hope that no President is ever assasinated, but.... Obama only needs to choose Hillary as a running mate to get himself assassinated (or entangled in impeachment).
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