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Car Forum / Toyota / Toyota Cars / July 2008Any way to keep the 12 v outlets ON on my Sienna?
I love my 07 Sienna van...but....the interior 12 volt outlets go off when the key goes off. I know the reason ( to prevent battery run down if something is plugged in)...but...I would far rather take a chance on leaving something plugged in and running down the battery..over..having my Garmin GPS and my external XP radio go dead EVERY single time I jump out of the car for a few minutes. The battery back-up in each of those devices doesn't last long enough. Any ideas or suggestions appreciated. I did read the manual but couldn't find any re-programming or other fix. thanks, Rich >I love my 07 Sienna van...but....the interior 12 volt outlets go > off when the key goes off. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Any ideas or suggestions appreciated. I did read the manual but couldn't > find any re-programming or other fix. thanks, Rich You'd have to cut the wires from those outlets and reroute them to a constant hot power source, being sure to buy and install an inline fuse in the new power line. The old wires feeding the outlets would, of course, need to be safely terminated so they didn't short out against some metallic part under the dash. Electrical tape is a lame solution for any of this work, in case that was the first thing that came to mind. Only crimp connectors are appropriate and there are no exceptions. If this sounds like a daunting task, you may want to pay a reputable mechanic or car audio installer to do it for you. What happens to the GPS or radio when their backup batteries die? Do these devices lose all their memory settings? >>I love my 07 Sienna van...but....the interior 12 volt outlets go >> off when the key goes off. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > What happens to the GPS or radio when their backup batteries die? Do these > devices lose all their memory settings? Cutting wires is usually not a good thing, especially when all you have to do is unplug the connector from the back of the receptacle. Crimp connectors, while acceptable is some applications, are not always the best solution. Scotch lock connectors are also acceptable, and a soldered and insulated connection is the best.  SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) >>>I love my 07 Sienna van...but....the interior 12 volt outlets go >>> off when the key goes off. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > the best solution. Scotch lock connectors are also acceptable, and a > soldered and insulated connection is the best. Sorry, Ray. As much as I love you, you're wrong. Crimps, applied with the right tool, are always best, and there are no exceptions. No debate is possible. Scotchlocks in a pinch. Solder is good, but the insulation leaves too many things to chance if an amateur is doing the work. Heat shrink? Sure, if the installer knows enough to check for sharp points on the soldered connection. Many don't. Because the OP asked the question, we already know a lot. > Sorry, Ray. As much as I love you, you're wrong. Crimps, applied with the > right tool, are always best, and there are no exceptions. No debate is [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Because the OP asked the question, we already know a lot. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree ;-) SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) >> Sorry, Ray. As much as I love you, you're wrong. Crimps, applied with the >> right tool, are always best, and there are no exceptions. No debate is [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I guess we'll have to agree to disagree ;-) No. You're wrong. But, have a beer. Right over there ------> in the fridge. I could dangle your entire house from a properly installed crimp connection. >>> Sorry, Ray. As much as I love you, you're wrong. Crimps, applied with >>> the right tool, are always best, and there are no exceptions. No debate [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I could dangle your entire house from a properly installed crimp > connection. Why would someone cut a factory wire harness and install even a properly installed crimp connection when all you have to do is unplug the connector from the receptacle? How many people have the proper crimpers for insulated and uninsulated crimp connectors? How many people know there is even a difference? SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) >>>> Sorry, Ray. As much as I love you, you're wrong. Crimps, applied >>>> with the right tool, are always best, and there are no exceptions. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > crimpers for insulated and uninsulated crimp connectors? How many > people know there is even a difference? I think the operative phrase here is "proper crimp connection". How many people know how to do that? I've seen way too many crimps that were badly done (dirty, loose, badly formed, insulation caught under the crimp, too much pressure, etc...). Welding is the best type of body repair. But a bad weld can be dangerous. Anybody can weld, but how many can weld /properly/? SignatureTegger >>>> Sorry, Ray. As much as I love you, you're wrong. Crimps, applied with >>>> the right tool, are always best, and there are no exceptions. No debate [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > insulated and uninsulated crimp connectors? How many people know there is > even a difference? If he'd asked, I would've given him a link to a nice crimper tool. He'd have a good reason to buy another tool. More tools are always a good thing, and this one would be useful for electrical work around the house, too. > If he'd asked, I would've given him a link to a nice crimper tool. I'd like that link. I have a feeling my two crimping tools aren't very good. I can't make a "roll" type crimp like my factory connectors have. SignatureTegger >> If he'd asked, I would've given him a link to a nice crimper tool. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > "roll" type crimp like my factory connectors have. > Tegger Used to be you could buy a good one from a Mac Tool truck, but not any more. I have two of those. One is locked up with my guns, in case a household helper loses the other one. :-) If I were going to buy one today, it would be this, from Panduit, who also makes the best crimp connectors I've ever used: http://www.panduit.com/search/product_details.asp?Ntt=crimping+tool&N=5000001+30 01755+&Nty=1&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&recName=CT%2D1570&Ntk=All They make others - search for "crimping tools" at the site. >>> If he'd asked, I would've given him a link to a nice crimper tool. >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > They make others - search for "crimping tools" at the site. The tool in the link is for NON-insulated crimp sleeves. The OP would need insulated crimp sleeves. I have a Klein crimp tool for non-insulated crimp sleeves that makes a nice rolled crimp. Klein tools are available at electrical supply houses. SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) >>>> If he'd asked, I would've given him a link to a nice crimper tool. >>> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > crimp sleeves that makes a nice rolled crimp. Klein tools are available > at electrical supply houses. Ooops. You're right. But anyway, Panduit makes one. The principal's the same. A good tool will have a channel for the connector to sit in, and a tooth to help shape the crimp when squeezed. Can't just be those lame-a.s tools with a flat blade. >>> If he'd asked, I would've given him a link to a nice crimper tool. >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > They make others - search for "crimping tools" at the site. Ah, Panduit. I never thought of them. I'll bet those tools aren't your $3.99 specials, either. Thanks. SignatureTegger >>>> If he'd asked, I would've given him a link to a nice crimper tool. >>> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Thanks. No, but you wouldn't want a cheap crimper anyway, especially if you sometimes use crimps for house wiring. (Building code allows that in some locales) >> Ah, Panduit. I never thought of them. I'll bet those tools aren't >> your $3.99 specials, either. > > No, but you wouldn't want a cheap crimper anyway, especially if you > sometimes use crimps for house wiring. (Building code allows that in > some locales) My whole point here is /get away/ from those cheap "$3.99 special" crimpers, which is why I asked here. I've already got two of those and neither is worth the metal they're made of. At least now I have some idea what a good crimper looks like, which I did not know before. SignatureTegger >>> Ah, Panduit. I never thought of them. I'll bet those tools aren't >>> your $3.99 specials, either. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > At least now I have some idea what a good crimper looks like, which I did > not know before. I think it was Ray who mentioned Klein tools, and I *might* have seen their crimpers at Home Depot, in the display case they keep locked (the good stuff). Worth a look. As long as it's got the channel into which the crimp sits, and the tooth on the opposite side, you're in good shape. Then, pay the big money for some Panduit connectors and you'll be happy. I've used them for car & boat installations and found they don't deteriorate for many years. Use heat shrink tubing around them for exposed applications. > I think it was Ray who mentioned Klein tools, and I *might* have seen > their crimpers at Home Depot, in the display case they keep locked [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > they don't deteriorate for many years. Use heat shrink tubing around > them for exposed applications. I'm going to check out Home Depot tomorrow and see what they've got. Thanks. SignatureTegger >> I think it was Ray who mentioned Klein tools, and I *might* have seen >> their crimpers at Home Depot, in the display case they keep locked [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I'm going to check out Home Depot tomorrow and see what they've got. > Thanks. Don't buy their crimps, though. Panduit sells through electronics distributors. It might be a pain in the a.s to obtain their stuff, but it's worth it. Hint: If you look through the plastic sleeve of the crimp, you'll see a seam in the metal part inside. Make sure the tooth of the crimping tool hits the side opposite that seam. In other words, when you place the crimp into the channel of the tool, that seam should be at the bottom. Try one the wrong way, and then take a close look at the results, which will be self-explanatory. > Panduit sells through electronics > distributors. It might be a pain in the a.s to obtain their stuff, but [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > bottom. Try one the wrong way, and then take a close look at the > results, which will be self-explanatory. Electrosonic is a retailer within reach of me. Here are their Panduit crimping tools: <http://www.e-sonic.com/acc/products.aspx?command=parameter&groupid=&brand=&brand name=&VendorGroup=&type=keyword&text=crimp+tool&part=&categoryID=5DB00D91-20CF-4 4C0-85D6-632317649603&categoryname=Crimping+Tool&groupname=Terminals> Which of these would you recommend for general-purpose automotive use? SignatureTegger >> Panduit sells through electronics >> distributors. It might be a pain in the a.s to obtain their stuff, but [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Which of these would you recommend for general-purpose automotive use? Jeez! $300-ish for some of those crimpers? Those are all compound tools, meaning they've got complicated innards which make the crimps easier to squeeze. If you were doing that kind of work all day long, it would be worth that kind of money to avoid hand fatigue. I have something like this. http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?P65=&tool=all&item_ID=15632&group_ID=797 &store=snapon-store&dir=catalog But, it says it's good for 14 to 22 gauge crimps. Take a look at the Panduit site and see what wire size the yellow barrel crimps are meant for. The wire that fits the yellow crimp is not uncommon in cars, especially if you're running power lines for car stereo amplifiers. If the Panduit site says the yellow crimps are for 14 or 16 gauge, then that Snap-On crimper should do the trick. You don't have to find a Snap-On dealer to buy it. Order it directly. Someone else here mentioned Klein crimpers, but I just checked all the tools at their site. None are designed correctly. >>> Panduit sells through electronics >>> distributors. It might be a pain in the a.s to obtain their stuff, but [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > Someone else here mentioned Klein crimpers, but I just checked all the > tools at their site. None are designed correctly. What about these?http://www.kleinconnection.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product2_10001_10001_-1 _12923_14931 SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) >>>> Panduit sells through electronics >>>> distributors. It might be a pain in the a.s to obtain their stuff, but [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > What about > these?http://www.kleinconnection.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product2_10001_10001_-1 _12923_14931 It might be, but it's impossible to tell from the web site. Why? Because the pictures were taken with someone's cell phone. Not possible to see enough detail. Stay tuned. I have to photograph some stuff for eBay later today. I'll do a nice close-up of my crimping tool. Then, Tegger will know exactly what to shop for, if he doesn't want to buy the Snap-On tool mentioned above. <snsipped> >> Someone else here mentioned Klein crimpers, but I just checked all the >>> tools at their site. None are designed correctly. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > exactly what to shop for, if he doesn't want to buy the Snap-On tool > mentioned above. I like the Snap-On ones you had pictured, and I prefer Snap-On tools in general if I think the tools will get more than one or two uses. I got the Klein crimpers from my brother-in-law the electrical contractor, and we used them to crimp the ground wires when we wired the house addition. I can't remember the last time I've had to actually splice electrical wiring on a Toyota, and I soldered and heat-shrinked a repair on my son's T-bird. I used different crimpers when I wired up a handsfree charger/cradle for an old cell phone, and ended up removing the wiring when we changed phones. SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) > <snsipped> > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I like the Snap-On ones you had pictured, and I prefer Snap-On tools in > general if I think the tools will get more than one or two uses. If the tool performs one of its tasks badly, it doesn't matter that it can also perform some other task well. It's not enough to simply squeeze a crimp flat, especially for wires in a car or boat where there's vibration. >> <snsipped> >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > also perform some other task well. It's not enough to simply squeeze a > crimp flat, especially for wires in a car or boat where there's vibration. You're preaching to the choir when it comes to tools ;-) I don't mind multi-function tools that perform one of its tasks poorly as long as it performs the task that I purchased it for well and I either don't need to perform the other tasks at all or I have another tool that performs the task well. For example, this all-in-one stripper/crimper/screw cutter http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00993800000P?vName=Tools&keyword=wire+s tripper doesn't crimp well, but it does a nice job of cutting small screws, which is what I purchased it for. SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) > It might be, but it's impossible to tell from the web site. Why? > Because the pictures were taken with someone's cell phone. Not > possible to see enough detail. Stay tuned. I have to photograph some > stuff for eBay later today. I'll do a nice close-up of my crimping > tool. Then, Tegger will know exactly what to shop for, if he doesn't > want to buy the Snap-On tool mentioned above. This is all getting slightly bewildering. I had no idea buying a crimper could get so complicated. If you had a picture of what you consider well-designed for general automotive use, that would be nice. SignatureTegger >> It might be, but it's impossible to tell from the web site. Why? >> Because the pictures were taken with someone's cell phone. Not [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > If you had a picture of what you consider well-designed for general > automotive use, that would be nice. Give me an hour. I'll post a picture. >> It might be, but it's impossible to tell from the web site. Why? >> Because the pictures were taken with someone's cell phone. Not [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > If you had a picture of what you consider well-designed for general > automotive use, that would be nice. Picture #1 - The business end of the crimp tool. 3 grooves, 1 for each crimp size http://s27.photobucket.com/albums/c197/ancientangler/?action=view¤t=P30800 35.jpg Picture #2 - With a barrel crimp in place http://s27.photobucket.com/albums/c197/ancientangler/?action=view¤t=P30800 36.jpg The tooth at the top The rest of the tool looks pretty much like the one at the Snap-On site. Some crimpers may have grooves & teeth that are more squared off, but as long as you're using the right size crimp that the grooves, the results will be equally good. Here's one that's got marginally decent grooves & teeth. Why they couldn't take it one step further and make it perfect will remain a mystery: http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=77615-273-104CGV&l page=none This one only has one groove size. Probably not the one you need at the moment - it's made for electricians. http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=42523-75198-D2139N ECR&lpage=none Get the Snap-On tool. > Picture #1 - The business end of the crimp tool. 3 grooves, 1 for each > crimp size [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > off, but as long as you're using the right size crimp that the > grooves, the results will be equally good. What's the brand name of the tool in your photos? It looks like the important thing is the point on the tooth. Here's a picture of a tool I've been using for 25 years: <http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/misc/crimper.JPG> It's similar to yours, but has rounded teeth. This tool often just squishes the metal instead of folding it inwards. > Get the Snap-On tool. You mean this one? <http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?P65=&tool=all&item_ID=15632&group_ID=797 &store=snapon-store&dir=catalog> SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ >> Picture #1 - The business end of the crimp tool. 3 grooves, 1 for each >> crimp size [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > It's similar to yours, but has rounded teeth. This tool > often just squishes the metal instead of folding it inwards. Mine's from Mac Tools. I searched their site and they have nothing like it any more. I even tried the model number printed on mine. Nothing. It's ridiculous. Crimpers aren't like women's clothing. They shouldn't go in & out of style. If the Snap-On site allows returns for a full refund, that might be the way to go. Or, get the name of a local dealer (the guys with the tool trucks), see if they have one of the tools in stock, bring some crimps and give the tool a try. > If the Snap-On site allows returns for a full refund, that might be > the way to go. Or, get the name of a local dealer (the guys with the > tool trucks), see if they have one of the tools in stock, bring some > crimps and give the tool a try. Thanks. There's a Snap-On truck guy who lives near me. SignatureTegger >> If the Snap-On site allows returns for a full refund, that might be >> the way to go. Or, get the name of a local dealer (the guys with the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > There's a Snap-On truck guy who lives near me. If that doesn't work, I think the next step is to call Panduit or a local distributor. I can't believe they don't have an inexpensive tool with the right shaped teeth & grooves. This is nuts. >>> If the Snap-On site allows returns for a full refund, that might be >>> the way to go. Or, get the name of a local dealer (the guys with the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > local distributor. I can't believe they don't have an inexpensive tool > with the right shaped teeth & grooves. This is nuts. It's partly me, I'm sure. Haven't got off my butt to...just...go get the damned thing. SignatureTegger >I love my 07 Sienna van...but....the interior 12 volt outlets go > off when the key goes off. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Any ideas or suggestions appreciated. I did read the manual but couldn't > find any re-programming or other fix. thanks, Rich There are 2 possible approaches to what you are trying to achieve. The easiest one would be to use a slide-in fuse terminal tap on the load side of the dome light fuse and power an additional 12 volt receptacle mounted under the dashboard somewhere. By tapping the load side of the fuse, the receptacles are protected by the dome light fuse. This leaves the original wiring and receptacles intact and the modification is very easily removed. The other possible approach is similar, but instead of mounting an additional 12 volt receptacle, you unplug the wire harness from the back of one of the factory receptacles and use an insulated female spade crimp connector wired to the tapped fuse on the back of the factory receptacle. SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) Ray, thanks for the help. From what I've found (using your first suggestion) does this device appear to be the right choice?? http://www.autotoys.com/x/catalog/FUSE_TAP_ATC_SPADE_LARGE_p_2095.html As I understand it, I plug this device in ( probably using an unused fuse receptacle since I don't have --heated seats--- etc. ) ... I now would prefer running the wire to a new double cigarette plug receptacle ( leaving the original factory receptacles alone)... Where do I safely run the other side of the female cigarette receptacle wiring to? I presume it goes to "ground" somewhere. What might be the best place to lift a screw, put a round terminal on the wire, and then replace the screw?? thanks Rich p.s. Is the Sienna a negative or positive grounded vehicle...(not that it matters for what I am doing, I guess). > Ray, thanks for the help. From what I've found (using your first > suggestion) does this device appear to be the right choice?? [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > p.s. Is the Sienna a negative or positive grounded vehicle...(not that it > matters for what I am doing, I guess). Yes, the taps in your link are the ones I was describing. You can usually find them with the fuses at auto parts stores. Use a female insulated spade connector to hook on to the tab that protrudes from the tap. To install the tap, pull a fuse from an always hot fuse like the dome light and use a test light or volt meter to see which side of the fuse receptacle has 12 volts and which side is dead. Put the fuse on to the tap and install the fuse and tap so that the tap is on the side of the fuse receptacle that was dead. That way, whatever you power off of the tap is protected by the dome light fuse. Run a wire from the female spade to the center of the accessory plug receptacle. To ground the receptacle, run a wire with a fork-type connector on the end to a support screw under the dashboard, or look for a screw that already has ground wires attached. Slide the fork under the screw head and re-tighten the screw, and connect the other end of the wire to the negative side of the receptacle. On the Sienna, ground the negative side of the receptacle. Good luck! SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) Try turning on the interior lights with the interior light switch. MBMS >I love my 07 Sienna van...but....the interior 12 volt outlets go > off when the key goes off. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Any ideas or suggestions appreciated. I did read the manual but couldn't > find any re-programming or other fix. thanks, Rich If you mean the rocker switch, near the middle of the dash..that has OFF DOOR ON..that doesn't do it. Is there another one? thanks Rich > Try turning on the interior lights with the interior light switch. MBMS > If you mean the rocker switch, near the middle of the dash..that has OFF > DOOR ON..that doesn't do it. Is there another one? thanks Rich > >> Try turning on the interior lights with the interior light switch. MBMS Turning on the interior lights with the interior light switch will not power the accessory plugs in the Sienna. SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) > I love my 07 Sienna van...but....the interior 12 volt outlets go > off when the key goes off. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Any ideas or suggestions appreciated. I did read the manual but couldn't > find any re-programming or other fix. thanks, Rich Hi, Have you approached your dealer with this problem? I have a Sienna now, but my previous minivan was a Dodge Grand Caravan (ugh). The Dodge had available a simple plug-in relay to replace the existing relay to the cigarette lighter outlet, to keep the outlet "live" even with the key off. Who knows, maybe Toyota offers that too. Good luck. Mort >> I love my 07 Sienna van...but....the interior 12 volt outlets go >> off when the key goes off. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Mort Unfortunately, Toyota does not offer such a relay. SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) > I love my 07 Sienna van...but....the interior 12 volt outlets go > off when the key goes off. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Any ideas or suggestions appreciated. I did read the manual but > couldn't find any re-programming or other fix. thanks, Rich Uh, you might want to check that again. I left my spotlight plugged in on the back outlet for a long time, all the time, to recharge and keep a charge, and my battery after about a month, kept going down. A couple of times I had to jump start it. I took it to Toyo and they happily gave me a new battery. As I opened my back lid to get some stuff out while I was waiting in service, I noticed the spotlight laying in the pocket their, in the dark, and the little red light on. My keyes were in my hand. Slow trickle discharge. Oh well, a new battery. No charge,,,,,get it? no charge? He he -- >> I love my 07 Sienna van...but....the interior 12 volt outlets go >> off when the key goes off. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > >Oh well, a new battery. No charge,,,,,get it? no charge? He he My Corolla has two 12v outlets, one on the center console and the other inside the center storage compartment. BOTH are controlled by the key. As soon as I get the time, I'm going to add a third power outlet that will be hot all the time and mount it just to the left of the glove compartment. Why couldn't they have wired one of them hot? This is just another example car manufacturers holding their customers in contempt. You're too stupid to turn your lights on at night all by yourself, so we'll put an auto-on feature on them and charge everyone for it. You can't be trusted to turn off things you might plug into a power outlet so we'll take away the convenience of a 'hot all the time' outlet and control it with the key. That way, you won't run your battery down. Never mind the fact that you can't plug in a laptop with a dead battery and use it without running the engine. Some people shouldn't be allowed out without a keeper, they're too dumb to notice a car coming toward them. So we'll put a "safety feature" on all our cars called Daytime Running Lights. "If it saves just one life, it's worth the billions of dollars it will cost you." Jack (who, despite rumors to the contrary, isn't dumb) >>> I love my 07 Sienna van...but....the interior 12 volt outlets go >>> off when the key goes off. [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > Jack > (who, despite rumors to the contrary, isn't dumb) To be fair to the automakers, they do worry about being sued. What do you suppose some numbnut would do if he left something connected, and it overheated and caught the car on fire? The idiot would blame the automaker for not making the power source go cold when the vehicle was unattended. >>>> I love my 07 Sienna van...but....the interior 12 volt outlets go >>>> off when the key goes off. [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] >automaker for not making the power source go cold when the vehicle was >unattended. Already happened. Somewhere in North Carolina, two kids die in a house fire. It's found that the reason was a Honda Pilot with a cell phone charger plugged in to the aux lighter outlet that was always hot on the Pilot. It's foolish to override safety features, but it's easily done. If you simply must, at least fuse it and put in a toggle switch so you can turn it off when you're not near the vehicle. Then all you need is the brain cells to remember to turn it off. Signaturegburnore at DataBasix dot Com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- How you look depends on where you go. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gary L. 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Signaturegburnore at DataBasix dot Com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- How you look depends on where you go. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gary L. Burnore | ÝÛ³ºÝ³Þ³ºÝ³³Ýۺݳ޳ºÝ³Ý³Þ³ºÝ³ÝÝÛ³ | ÝÛ³ºÝ³Þ³ºÝ³³Ýۺݳ޳ºÝ³Ý³Þ³ºÝ³ÝÝÛ³ Official .sig, Accept no substitutes. | ÝÛ³ºÝ³Þ³ºÝ³³Ýۺݳ޳ºÝ³Ý³Þ³ºÝ³ÝÝÛ³ | ÝÛ 0 1 7 2 3 / Ý³Þ 3 7 4 9 3 0 Û³ Black Helicopter Repair Services, Ltd.| Official Proof of Purchase =========================================================================== > To be fair to the automakers, they do worry about being sued. > > What do you suppose some numbnut would do if he left something > connected, and it overheated and caught the car on fire? The idiot > would blame the automaker for not making the power source go cold > when the vehicle was unattended. Various manufacturer's have different ideas about this. My Fords all have always live 12V power points. My Nissan has one always live and two that are switched. A friend with a Buick discovered that you could change the switched outlet into an always live outlet by moving a fuse (not documented inthe owner's manual, but it was documented in the service manual). Ed >> To be fair to the automakers, they do worry about being sued. >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Ed My experience is that American brand cars and trucks have 'hot' 12 outlets while off-shore brands have switched outlets. The distinction is starting to blur a bit with off-shore cars being branded and marketed as American brands. I don't think the reason for switched outlets because of legal worries, I think it is more along the lines of corporate culture. >>> To be fair to the automakers, they do worry about being sued. >>> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > outlets because of legal worries, I think it is more along the lines > of corporate culture. Well my SO's Chrysler Van had switched outlets. And so did my friends Buick, as delivered, but it could be changed. For sure the Toyota RAV4s have switched outlets. VW Jettas have always live outlets. I don't think you can say this is a domestic/import related choice, more just corporate culture as you also suggested. It does seem to me years ago, when power points were called cigarette lighters, they were mostly always live - but it was a long time ago..... Ed >> I love my 07 Sienna van...but....the interior 12 volt outlets go >> off when the key goes off. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Oh well, a new battery. No charge,,,,,get it? no charge? He he I believe that the Sienna's accessory outlet is on a timer, where it stays hot for a few minutes after the ignition is turned off. See if the outlet is hot 10 or 15 minutes later. SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) >>> I love my 07 Sienna van...but....the interior 12 volt outlets go >>> off when the key goes off. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > hot for a few minutes after the ignition is turned off. See if the outlet > is hot 10 or 15 minutes later. There are instructions to make it always-on at "http://www.siennaclub.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=16692" at least for the 2007. |
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