I don't want to be 'difficult' but several people, including Ray, have
suggested that you need to check all the fuses, fusible links, and
relays, and you seem to be resisting that suggestion.  This is clearly
a pain on a Toyota since there seem to be fuses and relays all over
the place (and maybe fusible links) - but your problem could still be
as simple as a blown fuse.  Also, as Ray has suggested, maybe you are
not getting power to one of those relays that you have been working
with.  While I can understand your frustration I would think the way
to locate this problem is to proceed step by step - it would also help
if you had a wiring diagram.  I also have some doubts abt swapping
relays from a later car into an earlier car unless they you are REALLY
REALLY sure they are, in fact, the same relay.

If I had to suggest anything 'concrete' it would be that you are on
the right track but you need to be careful not to decide in advance
what your 'problem' may be and go step by step and be VERY careful.

Good luck, and let us know how you make out.

<snipped>

I am pleased that you are trying to help me, so please do not think
that I am being short with you, I am not meaning to sound that way.
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No problem, I didn't take it that way at all.  I have become used to working
with dealer service personnel who have become frustrated when working on a
problem, and most of my success came from a fresh set of eyes, a systematic
approach to problem-solving, keeping in mind that an engine needs air, fuel,
and a source of ignition to run, remembering that E = I x R, and that there
are very few one-of-a kindd problems on Toyotas.
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Yes I have checked for voltage at the fuel pump while cranking, I am
not even getting the initial voltage at the pump when I first turn the
key to Accessories.
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There should not be any voltage at the fuel pump when you turn the ignition
switch to accessory or to the on position.  The only time there should be
voltage at the fuel pump is when the engine is cranking or running.

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The check engine light never comes on, under any conditions.  It used
to when I turned the key to on without the engine running

You mentioned the EFI relay and fuse, I have checked those and they
are good.  I do feel that the ECM must have a power source that has a
fuse or something in it that is bad, because the likely hood of
putting two ECM's in with the identical problem are slim.
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The EFI main relay and fuse supply power to the ECM.  With the ignition in
the on position, make sure that both the supply and load terminals of the
EFI fuse have 12 volts.

With the ignition in the on position, make sure that the control side of the
EFI main relay socket in the junction box has 12 volts.

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The factory wire harness is not cut, it is perfectly intact.

I did find the exposed wire, and have corrected it.  But as you can
see, I am way passed being concerned about that wire, I have removed
the radio from the car.

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That is excellent news.  I have seen people cut wire harnesses, and a
problem almost always crops up some time.

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Ironically, my dad is coming to visit, and he has a 97 Toyota
Corolla.  What we plan on doing is swapping relays from his to mine
until it hopefully starts.  His an automatic, so swapping the ECM if
we were to get that far is out of the question.  But the relays should
all be the same.

I will keep you posted,

T

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OEM relays should have a part number screened somewhere on the relay case.
Make sure part numbers match before swapping.  Some relays in your car have
the same part number, so you can also swap relays from your own car.

Good luck!

On Apr 9, 12:46 am, "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:

Ray O

You are "The Man".  I figured out why the car would not start.  So let
me spell it out for you.  So my dad shows up, who by all rights is an
awesome shade tree mechanic, he swaps all of the relays that are under
the hood, checks all of the fuses; when I got home from work today he
was in the process of taking the coil off of my car to put his in, we
checked it, no good.  Then we swapped the timing module, no good.  So
I decide to start swapping the relays that are on the drivers side
kick panel, nothing.  So then when putting my dads relays back in his
drivers side kick panel, I notice that he seems to have a fuse in a
place that I do not.  Ahhhhhh, the ECU fuse is missing in my car.  So
I stick a fuse in, and wala, the car starts, DEH DEH DEH!!!!  The way
I figure it happened is like this.  When I got the spark under my
dash, I fried the Circuit Opening Relay but did not know it.  SO what
I did after the spark was assumed that I had blown a fuse.  So I
checked all of the fuses and put them back, But where I went wrong is
that when I pulled the ECU fuse out to check it, I stuck it in the
slot next to where it came from.  So after a little bit of reading the
Haynes manual I decide that I need to get a new Circuit Openening
Relay.  So I get the new relay and the car still does not start, Hmmm
must be because the ECU is not getting any power because the stinking
fuse was missing.  LOL.  I can not beleive the trouble that I put
myself through over a .99 fuse.  The plus is, that I have a bunch of
extra relays (cost $0.00) and an extra ECM (cost $47.50).  And I
learned a whole lot about my daughters car.  I would like to thank you
and the others that took time to see me through my oversight.  Thanks
guys

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Tony,

You are very welcome!  Thank you for sharing the results, and I'm glad to
hear that the car is back on the road!