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What kind of dealer maintance is required, in order to keep the vehicle in warranty, and will the maintance cost eat up what you save at the pump with the 48mpg (city) claimed by the manufacture. Thanks Tom > What kind of dealer maintance is required, in order to keep the vehicle in > warranty, and will the maintance cost eat up what you save at the pump with > the 48mpg (city) claimed by the manufacture. > > Thanks > Tom Oil changes and tire rotations ever 5K miles. That's about it, up to 60K miles. >> What kind of dealer maintance is required, in order to keep the vehicle in >> warranty, and will the maintance cost eat up what you save at the pump with [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Oil changes and tire rotations ever 5K miles. That's about it, up to > 60K miles. And then? >>> What kind of dealer maintance is required, in order to keep the >>> vehicle in warranty, and will the maintance cost eat up what you save [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > And then? RTFM, WBMS. >>>> What kind of dealer maintance is required, in order to keep the >>>> vehicle in warranty, and will the maintance cost eat up what you save [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > RTFM, WBMS. Don't have one. Won't have one. >>>>> What kind of dealer maintance is required, in order to keep the >>>>> vehicle in warranty, and will the maintance cost eat up what you save [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Don't have one. Won't have one. Why Not? Why Not? See Danny Who Wants to Know's suggestion: http://smg.toyotapartsandservice.com/guides.php?v=14&y=2008&int_id=1 >>>>>> What kind of dealer maintance is required, in order to keep the >>>>>> vehicle in warranty, and will the maintance cost eat up what you save [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >http://smg.toyotapartsandservice.com/guides.php?v=14&y=2008&int_id=1 Nothing past 120,000? I guess you just take it to the junk yard?  SignatureScott in Florida The savings in fuel won't even pay the premium you paid when you bought the car. Assume for a moment that you made a choice between a Prius and another car that is the same size and offers the same utility. The Prius would cost more, but you save at the pump. You will need to save about 150,000 miles just to cover the increased price that the Prius commands. > What kind of dealer maintance is required, in order to keep the vehicle > in warranty, and will the maintance cost eat up what you save at the pump > with the 48mpg (city) claimed by the manufacture. > > Thanks > Tom > The savings in fuel won't even pay the premium you paid when you bought > the car. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > more, but you save at the pump. You will need to save about 150,000 miles > just to cover the increased price that the Prius commands. But *only* if you usually buy a car which costs less than a Prius. (Enough of a difference to offset the gas savings the Prius would provide.) If a person would otherwise purchase a Camry - or its equivalent, spending $21K or more, then it's a different story, & the Prius is economically worth your while. Cathy >> What kind of dealer maintance is required, in order to keep the vehicle >> in warranty, and will the maintance cost eat up what you save at the pump >> with the 48mpg (city) claimed by the manufacture. >> >> Thanks >> Tom Re: Prius maintance Group: alt.autos.toyota Date: Mon, Apr 21, 2008, 6:39pm From: clfrclfr@adelphiadotdashdot.net (Cathy F.) Assume for a moment that you made a choice between a Prius and another car that is the same size and offers the same utility. The Prius would cost more, but you save at the pump. You will need to save about 150,000 miles just to cover the increased price that the Prius commands. But *only* if you usually buy a car which costs less than a Prius. (Enough of a difference to offset the gas savings the Prius would provide.) If a person would otherwise purchase a Camry - or its equivalent, spending $21K or more, then it's a different story, & the Prius is economically worth your while. Cathy =---------------- I could also buy a corrola (great mileage and alot less $$$) even if I would otherwise buy a camry.. You're digging deep to find an exuse to compare it to a more expensive car. Kinda like some of the arguments Billary is trying to use to get elected.. CP Re: Prius maintance Group: alt.autos.toyota Date: Mon, Apr 21, 2008, 6:39pm From: Assume for a moment that you made a choice between a Prius and another car that is the same size and offers the same utility. The Prius would cost more, but you save at the pump. You will need to save about 150,000 miles just to cover the increased price that the Prius commands. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ clfrclfr@adelphiadotdashdot.net (Cathy F.) But *only* if you usually buy a car which costs less than a Prius. (Enough of a difference to offset the gas savings the Prius would provide.) If a person would otherwise purchase a Camry - or its equivalent, spending $21K or more, then it's a different story, & the Prius is economically worth your while. Cathy =---------------- I could also buy a corrola (great mileage and alot less $$$) even if I would otherwise buy a camry.. You're digging deep to find an exuse to compare it to a more expensive car. Kinda like some of the arguments Billary is trying to use to get elected.. `````````````````````````````````` I wasn't digging at all. That's just the way it pans out. A Prius is more on par w/a Camry than it is w/a Corolla, interior space-wise. And their costs are comparable - they overlap - depends on which trim level Camry you get & which pkg. on the Prius. Then add in the added mpg... Cathy I wasn't digging at all. That's just the way it pans out. A Prius is more on par w/a Camry than it is w/a Corolla, interior space-wise. And their costs are comparable - they overlap - depends on which trim level Camry you get & which pkg. on the Prius. Then add in the added mpg... Cathy --------- I admit to not knowing (lack of interest) the prius' stats (legroom, shoulder space, wheelbase etc.), but just eyeballing the vehicle and sitting in one, it looks to be a shorter, narrower wheelbase than the camry. I would imagine the ride to be less comfortable and I think I remeber the seating to be as narrow as the corolla. I doubt it has the trunk and rear leg room the camry does.. CP >I wasn't digging at all. That's just the way it pans out. A Prius is > more on par w/a Camry than it is w/a Corolla, interior space-wise. And [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I admit to not knowing (lack of interest) the prius' stats (legroom, > shoulder space, wheelbase etc.), Good, because it's obvious you're making a slew of guesses! > but just eyeballing the vehicle Eyeballing it doesn't work. It looks about the same size as a Corolla on the outside, but it's been designed/engineered really well; more spacious on the interior. Is categorized with family/mid-sized cars, not with the Corolla, Civic, etc. and > sitting in one, it looks to be a shorter, narrower wheelbase than the > camry. > > I would imagine the ride to be less comfortable and I think I remeber > the seating to be as narrow as the corolla. Its interior is wider than a Corolla's. > I doubt it has the trunk > and rear leg room the camry does.. Bzzzzt... wrong again, at least re: the leg room. I already mentioned this in another thread re: the Prius, & one I test drove. I first put the driver's seat all the way back, then sat in the back seat, behind the driver's seat. I have long legs (I always drive with the driver's seat as far back as it will go), & yet I had plenty of spare room between my knees & the back of the driver's seat. Cubic feet of cargo space (with back seats not flipped down) in the Prius vs. the Camry - I don't know; would have to look it up. OTOH, the back seats (of the Prius) flip down to a virtually flat position - not the rather awkward angle one usually gets with the 60/40 fold-down seats for pass-through from a trunk. Cathy > I admit to not knowing (lack of interest) the prius' stats (legroom, > shoulder space, wheelbase etc.), but just eyeballing the vehicle and > sitting in one, it looks to be a shorter, narrower wheelbase than the > camry. Please, either go take a look at a Prius and sit in it and drive it--or else just shut up. Because right now, you don't know sh.t about the car's size and what it compares to. > I admit to not knowing (lack of interest) the prius' stats (legroom, > shoulder space, wheelbase etc.), but just eyeballing the vehicle and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > the seating to be as narrow as the corolla. I doubt it has the trunk > and rear leg room the camry does.. It has more rear leg room than the Camry, asswipe. Do you always go around blathering about crap you know nothing about? "Charles Pisano" ... >I wasn't digging at all. That's just the way it pans out. A Prius is > more on par w/a Camry than it is w/a Corolla, interior space-wise. And [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > the seating to be as narrow as the corolla. I doubt it has the trunk > and rear leg room the camry does.. Once again we get a whole bunch of not knowing and imagining...... Tomes > > Re: Prius maintance [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > CP According to Toyota's comparison tool on its website, a base Prius costs $21,780 vs a Camry at $22,275 + DPI for a comparibly equipped Camry or $20,685 + DPI for the base LE. The Prius has automatic climate control, On-board computer and passenger air-bag shut-off. Right now, the tax rebate on the Prius is $785, so the difference in cost between a Prius and Camry is about $400. Toyota dealers may give a deeper discount to Camries than Prii, so there may be a large take-home price difference. At $3 per gallon for gas and using 1 fewer gallon of gas per hundred miles driven (e.g., if the Prius uses 2 gallons per 100 mi and the Camry 3 gallons per 100 mi), the Prius should save about $1000 worth of fuel per 33,000 miles driven, more or less. Jeff Didn't know Corolla came as a hatchback. Sorry. They are not anywhere near the same. Try again. B~ >> The savings in fuel won't even pay the premium you paid when you bought >> the car. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Cathy Cathy, Just buy the damned thing. You want one. Buy it! SignatureScott in Florida If the prius is comparable to the camry sizewise, then why have a camry hybrid? Why not a corolla hybrid (which is what the prius looks more like sizewise)..? As gas goes up (daily) They make more sense.. But I think if I get another 8 years or so out of my current camry, I'll be able to switch to something radically more effecient than even the prius...as the different technologies evolve.. Because of America's (past?) love of SUV's and all things big and powerful, fuel effecient vehicles are in their infancy, though they shouldn't be. I'd compare todays Prius to the commodore 128 computer I had in the 80's..as it relates to how these types of vehicles will evolve.. As Scott said..you know you want one..buy it.. CP > If the prius is comparable to the camry sizewise, then why have a camry > hybrid? Why not a corolla hybrid (which is what the prius looks more > like sizewise)..? > > As gas goes up (daily) They make more sense.. I disagree. They made a lot of sense long before the price of gas went up. > But I think if I get > another 8 years or so out of my current camry, I'll be able to switch to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > had in the 80's..as it relates to how these types of vehicles will > evolve.. Ford, GM, Toyota, Honda and the companies are global companies. Other countries were not so near-sighted when it came to energy regulations as the US > As Scott said..you know you want one..buy it.. > CP Because of America's (past?) love of SUV's and all things big and powerful, fuel effecient vehicles are in their infancy, though they shouldn't be. I'd compare todays Prius to the commodore 128 computer I had in the 80's..as it relates to how these types of vehicles will evolve.. --------------- Ford, GM, Toyota, Honda and the companies are global companies. Other countries were not so near-sighted when it came to energy regulations as the US ----------------- Not sure what you're saying there... (I may be confirming what you just said?) Tonight on Glenn Beck he did a piece on the 'air car'. It's set for release in late 08. And to arrive in U.S. in 2010. It gets 100 miles per gallon with a top speed of 95mph. Costs 18k and achieves that mileage with the help of compressed air.. Can't wait for Toyota's answer to this.. As I said in 8 years today's prius will be a (commador 128) gas guzzler... CP > If the prius is comparable to the camry sizewise, then why have a camry > hybrid? Why not a corolla hybrid (which is what the prius looks more > like sizewise)..? For people who like the looks of the Camry (conventional vs. different) & don't want a liftback. > As gas goes up (daily) They make more sense.. But I think if I get > another 8 years or so out of my current camry, I'll be able to switch to [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > As Scott said..you know you want one..buy it.. See my reply to him... Cathy > CP I have slow azz webtv and dialup on my comp. or I would post the legroom, wheelbase, shoulder and hip room etc. for the prius v. the camry. 'Long legs' aside, the fact that no one (with a faster connection) has done so says to me the camry is not the car the prius should be compared to ..Shut me up and post them if I'm wrong. CP "Charles Pisano" ... >I have slow azz webtv and dialup on my comp. or I would post the > legroom, wheelbase, shoulder and hip room etc. for the prius v. the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > done so says to me the camry is not the car the prius should be compared > to ..Shut me up and post them if I'm wrong. Charles, Charles, Charles..... You even replied to this post............ Here it is again <sigh>. This does get so tedious..... Tomes <snip> > OK here we go: > Prius Exterior Dimensions (in.) [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > > Tomes The corolla has nearly the same width (in and out) and length and I bet weight... The camry is longer by a foot (how is that comparable?) and wider by 4 inches. and more comfortable. Leg room is better in the prius v. the corolla because of the smaller engine. Now compare it to the corolla (including price) ...almost identical...except for $$$ Sorry I missed your previous post.. > The corolla has nearly the same width (in and out) and length and I > bet weight... The camry is longer by a foot (how is that comparable?) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Now compare it to the corolla (including price) ...almost > identical... Nope; very different vehicles. The Corolla's smaller, the exteriors are obviously different, but the interiors also look very different & the use of space is different. Nevermind that one's all gas & the other's a hybrid. Give it up - you really don't have a grip on the similarities & differences between these 3 cars. Cathy except for $$$ > Sorry I missed your previous post.. > The corolla has nearly the same width (in and out) and length and I > bet weight... "...and I bet weight..." Do you ever actually just look something up, or do you just sit there and guess at everything and then make final decisions? > The camry is longer by a foot (how is that comparable?) > and wider by 4 inches. and more comfortable. You've never sat in a Prius. How can you know if anything else is "more comfortable"? > 'Long legs' aside Cathy has long legs?! Damn, I'd like to see that! >> 'Long legs' aside > > Cathy has long legs?! Damn, I'd like to see that! Yes, I do; wear "tall" jeans - 34". But... you'll have to make do with your imagination. ;-P Cathy >>> 'Long legs' aside >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Cathy He will....LOL You have him going..... SignatureScott in Florida >>>> 'Long legs' aside >>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > You have him going..... I know - heh, heh... <eg> Cathy >>>>> 'Long legs' aside >>>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Cathy You're EVIL! BOTH of you!!! >>>>> 'Long legs' aside >>>> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> >> Scott in Florida A dirty mind is a terrible waste! ;P >>>>>> 'Long legs' aside >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > A dirty mind is a terrible waste! ;P A dirty mind is a terrible THING TO waste. A good man is hard to find, a hard man is good to find. (not that you are either or that I am looking ...) > A good man is hard to find, a hard man is good to find. (not that you > are either or that I am looking ...) For sure. You're too busy breast-feeding. >>>> He will....LOL >>>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > A dirty mind is a terrible THING TO waste. LOL! No, I knew what I was saying... >>> 'Long legs' aside >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Cathy WHOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOO! I have a 31" inseam! Someone to look up to! >>>> 'Long legs' aside >>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > WHOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOO! I have a 31" inseam! Someone to look up to! " 'Scuse me miss. How far do those legs go up? " "All the way to the top." >>>>> 'Long legs' aside >>>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > "All the way to the top." Just wha I was thinking... :P >> If the prius is comparable to the camry sizewise, then why have a camry >> hybrid? Why not a corolla hybrid (which is what the prius looks more [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > >> CP Oh, screw all that! Just go buy the damn thing already! And, STEP ON THE GAS!!! Even driving like a fiend you'll do better than a Corolla. And, BTW, if you missed my other post, a Tercel booking at $2400 when I sold it in 2004 for $1200 (to buy the Supra) is now worth $3400 according to KBB. Your fuel-efficient Corolla goes up in value as the price of gas increases. They always have... >>> As Scott said..you know you want one..buy it.. >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Just go buy the damn thing already! I wish... easier said than done. > And, STEP ON THE GAS!!! Even driving like a fiend you'll do better than a > Corolla. No fear there; I have never been a slow driver. > And, BTW, if you missed my other post, a Tercel booking at $2400 when I > sold it in 2004 for $1200 (to buy the Supra) is now worth $3400 according > to KBB. Your fuel-efficient Corolla goes up in value as the price of gas > increases. Come resale/trade-in time, works for me... Cathy > They always have... >>>> As Scott said..you know you want one..buy it.. >>> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Come resale/trade-in time, works for me... I would say soon. Prices will probably peak (both for gas and your lightly used Corolla) somewhere around the 4th of July. You know what they say: strike while the iron is hot. The price of a new Prius is fixed, but the price of your Corolla is variable. Go to http://www.kbb.com to get a Private Party value. It's probably worth more than you think. Now, about those legs... > Cathy > >> They always have... > > In articl <20275-480EA1D6-853@storefull-3275.bay.webtv.net> > > pisanochas@webtv.net (Charles Pisano) wrote > > > > The corolla has nearly the same width (in and out) and lengt and > > bet weight.. > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Do you ever actually just look something up, or do you just si there > and guess at everything and then make final decisions Geez I don't know ...do I? Now how do they compare... Corolla and prius are almost identical. Except if you try to sell your prius at about saaaayy...75k miles. Replacing a battery in one costs 4k plus labor...!!! Someon considering buying a used prius (POS) v. a comparable *(yes the are!!) corolla will pick the corolla every time if they can read.. Vehicle Comparison 2008 Toyota Prius Touring 4dr Hatchback (1.5L 4cyl gas/electric hybrid CVT) 2009 Toyota Corolla S 4dr Sedan (1.8L 4cyl 4A) change change Pricing Prius Corolla MSRP $23,370 $17,150 Invoice $21,447 $15,520 National True Market Value (TMV®) Price $22,84 customize $17,15 customize Local Dealer Price Local Dealer Price Local Dealer Price Free Price Quotes Get a Free Quote on this 2008 Toyota Prius Get Free Quote on this 2009 Toyota Corolla Handling Prius Corolla Turning Circle 34.1 ft. 35.6 ft. Hauling Prius Corolla Max. Towing Capacity Not Published 1500 lbs. <----can't tow with prius. EPA Mileage Estimates Prius Corolla City 48 mpg. 27 mpg. Highway 45 mpg. 35 mpg. <-----I'll bet I'd get 40+ in a coroll here even in the winter.. Priuse sucks in the cold. Range in Miles Prius Corolla City 571 mi. 356 mi. Highway 536 mi. 462 mi. Fuel Data Prius Corolla Fuel Tank Capacity 11.9 gal. 13.2 gal. Fuel Type regular unleaded regular unleaded Exterior Prius Corolla Length 175 in. 178.7 in. <------corolla is longer ...do you smel what i'm cookin. Width 67.9 in. 69.3 in. <-----corolla is wider.. or can't you read.. Height 58.7 in. 57.7 in. Weight 2932 lbs. 2822 lbs. Wheel Base 106.3 in. 102.4 in. Ground Clearance 5.6 in. 5.8 in. Interior Prius Corolla Front Headroom 39.1 in. 38.8 in. Rear Headroom 37.3 in. 37.2 in. Front Shoulder Room 55 in. 54.8 in. Rear Shoulder Room 52.9 in. 54.6 in. Front Hip Room 51 in. 53 in. <-----corolla beats it! Rear Hip Room 51.6 in. 43.9 in. Front Leg Room 41.9 in. 41.7 in. <-----Hello?? Rear Leg Room 38.6 in. 36.3 in. Maximum Luggage Capacity 14.4 cu. ft. 12.3 cu. ft. Maximum Seating 5 I think he's got a point. Looks like she was obviously fishing with that long legs comment. I guess if you're going to fish, might as well be where the fish are.. > I think he's got a point. Looks like she was obviously fishing with > that long legs comment. I guess if you're going to fish, might as well > be where the fish are.. What are you talking about? It helps if you leave some of the message in so we can tell what you are talking about. Well, it would help if you make intelligent comments. Jeff >> I think he's got a point. Looks like she was obviously fishing with >> that long legs comment. I guess if you're going to fish, might as well [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Jeff OK. we were talking about Cathy's lags and fishnets... >>> I think he's got a point. Looks like she was obviously fishing with >>> that long legs comment. I guess if you're going to fish, might as well [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > OK. we were talking about Cathy's lags and fishnets... Lags? LAGS!!???!!! >>>> I think he's got a point. Looks like she was obviously fishing with >>>> that long legs comment. I guess if you're going to fish, might as well [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Lags? LAGS!!???!!! Sorry! LEGS!!! LEGS!!! >>>>> I think he's got a point. Looks like she was obviously fishing with >>>>> that long legs comment. I guess if you're going to fish, might as well [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Sorry! LEGS!!! LEGS!!! That's better. ;-) But I absolutely refuse to wear fishnets - BTDT too many years ago, when they - & other patterned stockings - were popular in the early/mid-60's. You'll have to make do with one of those lamps or else pure imagination. ;-P Cathy >>> Lags? LAGS!!???!!! >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > they - & other patterned stockings - were popular in the early/mid-60's. > You'll have to make do with one of those lamps or else pure imagination. ;-P Spoilsport. >>>> Lags? LAGS!!???!!! >>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Spoilsport. ;-P Cathy >>>> Lags? LAGS!!???!!! >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Spoilsport. Really... >> Sorry! LEGS!!! LEGS!!! > > That's better. ;-) > > But I absolutely refuse to wear fishnets - BTDT too many years ago, when > they - & other patterned stockings WHOOOOO HOOOOOO!!!! <THUD!> >>> Sorry! LEGS!!! LEGS!!! >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > <THUD!> Ha! Good; maybe when you wake up you'll have selected amnesia, & forget to bug Natalie & me. ;-) Cathy >>>> Sorry! LEGS!!! LEGS!!! >>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Ha! Good; maybe when you wake up you'll have selected amnesia, & forget to > bug Natalie & me. ;-) Uh, you're joking, right? >>>>> Sorry! LEGS!!! LEGS!!! >>>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Uh, you're joking, right? The Lingerie Cam is always at the ready... >>>> Sorry! LEGS!!! LEGS!!! >>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Cathy I wouldn't count on that! ;P (Nutz...I was looking for a comic in the Sunday funnies from when I was a kid about a circus, and one of the characters was a voluptuous tightrope walker named Legs Akimbo...It was another 5 years (when I was 13) that I found out what 'akimbo' meant...) >>>>>> I think he's got a point. Looks like she was obviously fishing with >>>>>> that long legs comment. I guess if you're going to fish, might as [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Cathy Fishnets are often damn sexy. They are very flattering to many shapes of leg. FEMALE leg. Ditto for darker shades of almost anything that can be put on the female leg. Black leggings, yes!!!!!!!!! > I think he's got a point. Looks like she was obviously fishing with > that long legs comment. I guess if you're going to fish, might as well > be where the fish are.. Somebody say Fishnets?!?!?!?! > Somebody say Fishnets?!?!?!?! Buy yourself one of those "A Christmas Story" leg lamps. http://www.emerchandise.com/product/LTACS0002/s.gSmWCwlw Cathy >> Somebody say Fishnets?!?!?!?! > > Buy yourself one of those "A Christmas Story" leg lamps. > http://www.emerchandise.com/product/LTACS0002/s.gSmWCwlw > > Cathy I got told if I even thought of buying one of those, I'd better fix the station wagon so it can be lived in... >> Somebody say Fishnets?!?!?!?! > > Buy yourself one of those "A Christmas Story" leg lamps. > http://www.emerchandise.com/product/LTACS0002/s.gSmWCwlw > > Cathy $239!!!!! There was a story in the news about a guy who bought the house used in the movie, and then spent all his money making it look like it did in the movie. He couldn't find the lamp, so he looked into having one made. They said it would cost something like $1000 to make one, and $1500 to make 500. He had them make the 500 and started selling them (his wife was PISSED at him spending so much money to make the house over, and almost left him). The lamps were a hit, and now all he does is take orders and ship lamps all day, and makes more doing that than at his prior job. > > On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:10:14 -0400, "Cathy F. > > <clfrclfr@adelphiadotdashdot.net> wrote [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > > > Yes, I do; wear "tall" jeans - 34". But... you'l have to make do with you > > imagination. ;- > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Scott in Florid When a man wants to convey the roomyness of a vehicle they say I' 6'2" tall and fit in there just fine. When an attention ho trie to convey the same message it says I 'and I have long legs'... Lik the 'other one' she's on a male oriented discussion board lookin for attention on the computer (every day!)...Using m imagination...uh...I'm getting a picture of desperation an homlieness.. > > > On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:10:14 -0400, "Cathy F." > > > <clfrclfr@adelphiadotdashdot.net> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > computer (every day!)...Using my imagination...uh...I'm getting a picture > of desperation and homlieness... Damn, what a Gentleman... >>> The savings in fuel won't even pay the premium you paid when you bought >>> the car. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Buy it! Eventually, I may well. Right now, financially, I'm too busy driving the paid-off Corolla while dumping a hefty portion of my paycheck into my 403b & working towards paying off the mortgage - ramping up to retirement. Priorities... boring, but financially prudent. ;-) Cathy >>>> The savings in fuel won't even pay the premium you paid when you bought >>>> the car. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > >Cathy I'll be happy to help as soon as Joey pays off his debt to me! It is nice to have no car payment!!! SignatureScott in Florida > The savings in fuel won't even pay the premium you paid when you bought > the car. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > more, but you save at the pump. You will need to save about 150,000 miles > just to cover the increased price that the Prius commands. How much do you save at the pump? I had a $12,850 Tercel with an AT that got 44 MPG overall economy. And I just found out it's worth 3 times what I sold it for! (The value has gone UP $1,000 on both Kelley and NADA since I sold it...) >> What kind of dealer maintance is required, in order to keep the vehicle >> in warranty, and will the maintance cost eat up what you save at the >> pump with the 48mpg (city) claimed by the manufacture. >> >> Thanks >> Tom > The savings in fuel won't even pay the premium you paid when you bought > the car. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > cost more, but you save at the pump. You will need to save about 150,000 > miles just to cover the increased price that the Prius commands. How do you "save" miles? The list price difference between a Prius and a similarly equipped Camry 4 cyl with a manual transmission is about $2600. This should be recovered in about 70k to 100k mi, assuming that the Prius saves about 1 gallon per hundred miles. So the cost recovery time may be significantly shorted or lengthened, depending on how the car is used and how much of a premium the dealer takes on the car compared to a Camry. Jeff >> What kind of dealer maintance is required, in order to keep the >> vehicle in warranty, and will the maintance cost eat up what you save >> at the pump with the 48mpg (city) claimed by the manufacture. >> >> Thanks >> Tom >> The savings in fuel won't even pay the premium you paid when you bought >> the car. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > How do you "save" miles? The fuel to cover those miles. Sheesh! Do they have to tell you to put your zipper down and pull your penis out when you pee, or is it sufficient to just send you to the bathroom and let you figure out the rest on your own? >>> The savings in fuel won't even pay the premium you paid when you >>> bought the car. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > The fuel to cover those miles. Sheesh! That still doesn't make sense. > Do they have to tell you to put your zipper down and pull your penis out > when you pee, or is it sufficient to just send you to the bathroom and > let you figure out the rest on your own? >>>> The savings in fuel won't even pay the premium you paid when you bought >>>> the car. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > That still doesn't make sense. Do the math. Assume that the difference per mile in operating cost worked out to $0.03, for example. It would take 150,000 miles to recover the $4500 up front cost of the Prius. To put it another way, if a car got 30mpg, and a Prius costs $4500 more but gives 40mpg, it would take 150,000 miles to recover the up front cost of the Prius in fuel savings. I don't know the actual miles per gallon (and I don't care), but I can't be very far off. So in round numbers it should take 150,000 miles to recover the added cost of the Prius in fuel savings. You can adjust the extra cost and consumption rates as needed, but the result still comes out pretty close to the same. Bottom line, do not buy a Prius for the fuel savings. Buy it for other reasons and take the fuel savings as icing on the cake. >> The savings in fuel won't even pay the premium you paid when you >> bought the car. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > recovered in about 70k to 100k mi, assuming that the Prius saves about 1 > gallon per hundred miles. The Prius is similar in size to a Corolla, not a Camry, so the comparison should be made against a similarly equipped Corolla. It's all moot, since nobody buys a Prius for economic reasons. They buy them to a) use the carpool lane (but not any more), or b) because they believe that using less fuel is a good thing to do. >>> The savings in fuel won't even pay the premium you paid when you bought >>> the car. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > The Prius is similar in size to a Corolla, not a Camry, For the umpteenth time, no, it is not. Cathy so the > comparison should be made against a similarly equipped Corolla. > > It's all moot, since nobody buys a Prius for economic reasons. They buy > them to a) use the carpool lane (but not any more), or b) because they > believe that using less fuel is a good thing to do. > The savings in fuel won't even pay the premium you paid when you bought the > car. > > Assume for a moment that you made a choice between a Prius and another car > that is the same size and offers the same utility. The Prius would cost > more, It would? Do you have any actual facts to back that up? 'Cuz, it ain't true. The Prius wouldn't cost you more than a car the same size with the same utility. > The savings in fuel won't even pay the premium you paid when you bought > the car. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > more, but you save at the pump. You will need to save about 150,000 miles > just to cover the increased price that the Prius commands. Are you factoring in the thousands that states pay for those who switch to Hybrids? >> The savings in fuel won't even pay the premium you paid when you bought >> the car. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Are you factoring in the thousands that states pay for those who switch to > Hybrids? If the states paid hybrid purchasers thousands for each hybrid - along w/the Fed's tax break that was in place, I could've discounted the price diff. between a Corolla LE & a near-base Prius, & bought the Prius in '04. Would've then made sense financially. But I bought the Corolla. Because it made sense financially over the course of a projected 6-year ownership - a savings of approx. $5K. (Bring that down a little, due to the rising cost of gas since then.) Unfortunately, the tax breaks aren't huge, & AFAIK are being phased out - at least the Fed one. Cathy >>> The savings in fuel won't even pay the premium you paid when you bought >>> the car. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Cathy Speaking of... Texas has a deal going right now to phase out old cars... They pay 3 grand towards a down payment of a new car if the person relenquishes the old vehicle.... the reason is that they are trying to get emissions down or they lose federal money for highways... > Texas has a deal going right now to phase out old cars... > They pay 3 grand towards a down payment of a new car if the person > relenquishes the old vehicle.... Can you point me to some documentation for that? > What kind of dealer maintance is required, in order to keep the vehicle > in warranty, and will the maintance cost eat up what you save at the pump > with the 48mpg (city) claimed by the manufacture. > > Thanks > Tom None is required to be at the dealer as you can DIY or have any trusted shop do the maintenance just as with any other vehicle. The only things that I would have done at the dealer is the inverter coolant change as it is difficult to properly bleed the air from the system. Fortunately this only has to be done after the first 10 years/100,000 miles and every 5 years/50,000 after that. I would also have them change the brake fluid every few years as this is an item most people don't do but should since brake fluid absorbs moisture from the air. To see what needs to be done at what interval go to http://smg.toyotapartsandservice.com/guides.php?v=14&y=2008&int_id=1 and click the "NEXT > >" link to view the intervals. The only item that isn't on the list that owners recommend is changing the transaxle fluid every 60,000 miles or so. Fluid - Type - Capacity Trans fluid - Toyota WS - 4 Quarts Engine oil - 5W-30 - 3.5 Quarts Engine coolant - Toyota SLLC - 9.1 Quarts Inverter coolant - Toyota SLLC - 4? Quarts Could only find the inverter coolant capacity for the classic NHW11 not the current NHW20. Tire rotations can be gotten for free.... Changing the oil every 6 months (required to change every 6 months) saves at least 70 bucks a year... As for the fear about batteries... read the following.. How often do hybrid batteries need replacing? Is replacement expensive and disposal an environmental problem? The hybrid battery packs are designed to last for the lifetime of the vehicle, somewhere between 150,000 and 200,000 miles, probably a whole lot longer. The warranty covers the batteries for between eight and ten years, depending on the car maker. Battery toxicity is a concern, althoug today's hybrids use NiMH batteries, not the environmentally problematic rechargeable nickel cadmium. "Nickel metal hydride batteries are benign. They can be fully recycled," says Ron Cogan, editor of the Green Car Journal. Toyota and Honda say that they will recycle dead batteries and that disposal will pose no toxic hazards. Toyota puts a phone number on each battery, and they pay a $200 "bounty" for each battery to help ensure that it will be properly recycled. There's no definitive word on replacement costs because they are almost never replaced. According to Toyota, since the Prius first went on sale in 2000, they have not replaced a single battery for wear and tear. > Tire rotations can be gotten for free.... > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > longer. The warranty covers the batteries for between eight and ten years, > depending on the car maker. True > Battery toxicity is a concern, althoug today's hybrids use NiMH batteries, > not the environmentally problematic rechargeable nickel cadmium. "Nickel [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Toyota puts a phone number on each battery, and they pay a $200 "bounty" > for each battery to help ensure that it will be properly recycled. True also > There's no definitive word on replacement costs because they are almost > never replaced. According to Toyota, since the Prius first went on sale in > 2000, they have not replaced a single battery for wear and tear. Total BS here. There is a person in the Toyota-Prius Yahoo! Group called Patrick Wong that has had the traction batteries in both his Prius AND his HiHy (shorthand for Highlander Hybrid) replaced under warranty. One of my pet peeves (psychotic hatreds for George Carlin fans) is people spreading false information about a vehicle whether it be good or bad. There is someone on Y! Answers by the nickname "ProfessorPrius" that is commonly wrong about things such as the battery issue. He claims that the only one that has ever failed had a screw driven into it in an attempt to install a subwoofer. Batteries have failed there is no doubt about it but the truth is that if they were dropping dead at the rate that some people claim they are Toyota corporate would have had its pants sued off in a huge class action suit by now. I am a Prius advocate but I know that nothing is perfect. The Prius is just another car and shi...stuff happens. It is a great vehicle but it isn't a flawless gem that will never ever break. In article <EzcPj.130799$yE1.41721@attbi_s21>, "Daniel Who Wants to Know" <danielthechskid@merrychristmasi.com> wrote: > > There's no definitive word on replacement costs because they are almost > > never replaced. According to Toyota, since the Prius first went on sale in [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Patrick Wong that has had the traction batteries in both his Prius AND his > HiHy (shorthand for Highlander Hybrid) replaced under warranty. Let's see, Toyota--a massive corporation--says one thing, while some yahoo (pun intended) on a message board somewhere claims the opposite. Hmmmmm. And you choose to believe the yahoo, who's no doubt an idiot and/or is deliberately f.cking with people just for the sake of f.cking with people. > One of my > pet peeves (psychotic hatreds for George Carlin fans) is people spreading > false information about a vehicle whether it be good or bad. And you're absolutely, 100% certain that this yahoo is NOT the one spreading the false information? Do you know this yahoo personally? > There is > someone on Y! Answers by the nickname "ProfessorPrius" that is commonly > wrong about things such as the battery issue. He claims that the only one > that has ever failed had a screw driven into it in an attempt to install a > subwoofer. So now you're choosing which yahoo on the message board that you want to believe. You've decided what you want to believe, so now you go out and find "evidence" of that by lurking around in message boards populated by everyone from your grandma to psychos. When one of those yahoos on the message board says something that bolsters what you want to believe, you believe him. When another yahoo on the same board says something contrary to what you want to believe, you start calling him names. And yet, they're each nothing but some yahoo on a message board somewhere. Also, most states give massive tax rebates when you buy a hybrid... |
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