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...is how much I paid to fill my 10-gallon tank today! This summer, I plan to like, *never* drive, despite my great mileage in my 2000 Echo. (about 37/40 MPG) I always use premium, despite the cost (we're talking a very small difference overall) Good thing I work from home. I saw a guy filling up a mini-van, and looking at the numbers on *my* pump. He looked envious. LOL Natalie  Signaturehttp://www.wegrokspock.net > ...is how much I paid to fill my 10-gallon tank today! Wow! You really let the tank get low. > This summer, I plan > to like, *never* drive, despite my great mileage in my 2000 Echo. (about > 37/40 MPG) I always use premium, despite the cost (we're talking a very > small difference overall) One thing about the "premium" is that it also takes more energy to make than the regular gasoline. Unless your car needs it, it is a waste of money. Some people will say they are treating the car to the "better" fuel. Cars don't care. They don't have a brain. If you want to make a treat for something, give a dog a doggie treat. The cost difference was about 30 cents per gallon. About $3 a tank. > Good thing I work from home. > > I saw a guy filling up a mini-van, and looking at the numbers on *my* pump. > > He looked envious. I put about 15 gallons in my 14.5 gallon tank. The price went up between fill-ups (I figured I might as well fill the tank after my trip, too, because it will go up again before the weekend). Jeff > LOL > > Natalie >> ...is how much I paid to fill my 10-gallon tank today! > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > fuel. Cars don't care. They don't have a brain. If you want to make a > treat for something, give a dog a doggie treat. I'm with Jeff on this one. Get the Regular gas and buy the dog an ice cream cone. >>> ...is how much I paid to fill my 10-gallon tank today! >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I'm with Jeff on this one. Get the Regular gas and buy the dog an ice > cream cone. I hope the dog doesn't have lactose intolerance. ;-) Funny, when I was writing that, I thought about getting a dog an ice cream, too. "Jeff" ... ... >>>> ...is how much I paid to fill my 10-gallon tank today! >>> >>> Wow! You really let the tank get low. No, I didn't - it had a little less than a quarter tank left. >>>> This summer, I plan to like, *never* drive, despite my great mileage in >>>> my 2000 Echo. (about 37/40 MPG) I always use premium, despite the cost [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >>> fuel. Cars don't care. They don't have a brain. If you want to make a >>> treat for something, give a dog a doggie treat. I don't have a dog, but I was told by someone on a car board that the additives in the "better" fuel keep the car running cleaner? >> I'm with Jeff on this one. Get the Regular gas and buy the dog an ice >> cream cone. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Funny, when I was writing that, I thought about getting a dog an ice > cream, too. woof Natalie I filled my F150 yesterday for $72.00. That's a tad over 300 miles, that works out to $0.24 per mile. > "Jeff" ... > ... [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Natalie > I filled my F150 yesterday for $72.00. That's a tad over 300 miles, that > works out to $0.24 per mile. My Contour is about $0.11 per mile (30 mpg more or less). I might be getting a 2003 Civic hybrid - around 45 mpg, so that $0.11 goes down to about $0.08 per mile. >> "Jeff" ... >> ... [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >> >> Natalie > "Jeff" ... > ... >>>>> ...is how much I paid to fill my 10-gallon tank today! >>>> Wow! You really let the tank get low. I thought it was 10 gallons at 3.499 per gallon. By ten gallons, I assumed that was the capacity of the tank, not just the amount that you put in, although I have already added more gas to my tank than the capacity of the tank (hint: some fuel ended up in the filler neck). > No, I didn't - it had a little less than a quarter tank left. >>>>> This summer, I plan to like, *never* drive, despite my great mileage in [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I don't have a dog, but I was told by someone on a car board that the > additives in the "better" fuel keep the car running cleaner? I heard that too. But, it's not true. It is oil company marketing to get you to part with more money. There really is no advantage to using the higher octane fuel. Even Dr. Magliozzi and his brother on Car Talk (I saw them on Nova last night, too) concur. >>> I'm with Jeff on this one. Get the Regular gas and buy the dog an ice >>> cream cone. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Natalie "Jeff" ... >> ... >>>>>> ...is how much I paid to fill my 10-gallon tank today! [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > although I have already added more gas to my tank than the capacity of the > tank (hint: some fuel ended up in the filler neck). The tank is 10-gallon total, but it wasn't empty. *snip* Natalie snip > > I don't have a dog, but I was told by someone on a car board that the > > additives in the "better" fuel keep the car running cleaner? > > I heard that too. But, it's not true. Google "Top Tier Gasoline" for a list of clean fuels in all grades. It is oil company marketing to get > you to part with more money. There really is no advantage to using the > higher octane fuel. Even Dr. Magliozzi and his brother on Car Talk (I > saw them on Nova last night, too) concur. A mechanic told me that prolonged use of high octane fuel in a car designed to run on 87 can harm devices like the EGR valve. Use of Premium in high performance engines is another matter; it DOES make a difference. > I don't have a dog, but I was told by someone on a car board that the > additives in the "better" fuel keep the car running cleaner? You could always buy me an ice cream cone. "Jeff Strickland" ... > "Wickeddoll®" ... >>>>> >> I don't have a dog, but I was told by someone on a car board that the >> additives in the "better" fuel keep the car running cleaner? > > You could always buy me an ice cream cone. *tossing Jeff a Baskin gift card* Natalie > ...is how much I paid to fill my 10-gallon tank today! This summer, I > plan to like, *never* drive, despite my great mileage in my 2000 Echo. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Natalie It was closer to $80 for our Lexus and Sequoia :-( Take it from Ray... Save your money and use regular. Premium is a waste in the Echo. SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) >> ...is how much I paid to fill my 10-gallon tank today! This summer, I >> plan to like, *never* drive, despite my great mileage in my 2000 Echo. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Take it from Ray... Save your money and use regular. Premium is a waste > in the Echo. Sorry, Ray! Said it before: using 93 Octane in my Tercel got me 6 MPG more than 89 Octane, and actually cost $225 LESS over the period I owned the car! (Um, this doesn't work with the Mazda. 89 Octane works the best) >>> ...is how much I paid to fill my 10-gallon tank today! This summer, I >>> plan to like, *never* drive, despite my great mileage in my 2000 Echo. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > (Um, this doesn't work with the Mazda. 89 Octane works the best) Tercels were not normal cars anyway ;-) SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) >>>> ...is how much I paid to fill my 10-gallon tank today! This summer, I >>>> plan to like, *never* drive, despite my great mileage in my 2000 Echo. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >> > Tercels were not normal cars anyway ;-) Man, I miss that car! (Esp @ $3.49/gal...) But not when the roof is off! ;) "Ray O" .. > "Wickeddoll®" ... >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Take it from Ray... Save your money and use regular. Premium is a waste > in the Echo. Thanks! What type of vehicles should use it? Natalie > Thanks! What type of vehicles should use it? > > Natalie Engines that are designed to use regular or premium will likely get better gas mileage with premium (no guarantee that it will completely offset the higher price of premium). How can you tell if your engine is designed to use regular or premium? If the owners manual says you will get better horsepower with premium, but lists the minimum octane as regular, then it is usually designed to use either regular or premium. I believe this applies to most Toyota V6 engines, but not sure about 4 cylinder engines (never owned a Toyota 4 cylinder). Of course, some cars are designed to use only premium, but I don't know if any Toyotas are among these (Lexus and other luxury car brands have some). Personally, I use mid-grade in my Camry V6, unless the weather is very cold, in which case I use regular (premium burns cooler). "Mark A" ... > "Wickeddoll®" . >> Thanks! What type of vehicles should use it? [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Personally, I use mid-grade in my Camry V6, unless the weather is very > cold, in which case I use regular (premium burns cooler). Ah. Thanks Natalie <snipped> >> Take it from Ray... Save your money and use regular. Premium is a waste >> in the Echo. > > Thanks! What type of vehicles should use it? > > Natalie The simple answer is if the owner's manual recommends premium, use it, otherwise, use regular. Gasoline engines compress the air/fuel mixture, and then the spark plug ignites the mixture, forcing the piston down, which turns the crankshaft, which turns the transmission, which turns the driveshaft, which turns the wheels. If you squeeze the air/fuel mixture enough, the heat generated by the compression will cause the mixture to ignite on its own, a condition called pinging or knocking. Premium fuel has more octane, which raises the temp at which the mixture will ignite on its own (it does not burn cooler). High performance engines have higher compression and so require premium fuel. Diesels do not have spark plugs and rely on compression to ignite the fuel, which is why they often sound like they are knocking. Engines that have really advanced timing also require premium fuel, but modern engines have a knock sensor to dial back the timing, which is why a lot of cars that require premium fuel can get away with regular. SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) > The simple answer is if the owner's manual recommends premium, use it, > otherwise, use regular. Not so simple. The Toyota user manuals I have seen (for the two Camrys I have owned) say that the minimum fuel required is regular (actually specified as a certain octane level), but that higher octane fuel can be used to achieve better horsepower. Such engines are designed to run on regular or premium (or obviously mid-grade). Some engines are designed to only use regular. > Premium fuel has more octane, which raises the temp at which the mixture > will ignite on its own (it does not burn cooler). Excuse me. Premium fuel results in more efficient combustion (assuming the engine is designed to use it) and thus generates less heat for a given horsepower. Heat is a byproduct of combustion, and a measure of inefficiency. <snipped> > Premium fuel has more octane, which raises the temp at which the mixture >> will ignite on its own (it does not burn cooler). [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > horsepower. Heat is a byproduct of combustion, and a measure of > inefficiency. Check out these articles: http://www.straightdope.com/columns/041008.html http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=fact-or-fiction-premium-g http://www.automedia.com/High_Octane_Fuel/ccr20050501ok/1 Note that all of the articles mention that premium fuel resists knocking better than regular and that the premium fuel burns more slowly. None mention that premium generates less heat because the BTU content in regular and premium is the same. SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) > Check out these articles: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > regular and premium is the same. > Ray O The main thrust of the 3 articles your provided links for is to convince people that if your engine is designed for regular gas, there is no benefit of using premium and you should stick to regular. That sounds OK. But at no point did any of the articles address the situation found in most Toyota V6 engines, which are specifically designed to run on regular OR premium, and according to the Toyota owners manual, the engine will deliver more horsepower with premium. The articles only focused on engines that were designed to run only on regular, concluding (rightly so) that it would be a waste to use premium in these vehicles. In fact, one article actually says that one could use regular even if the engine is designed for premium, so that pretty much throws into doubt everything else in the article. Here is the exact quote: "Even if you have a super-performance sportster with a big "91 ONLY" sticker on the gas cap, no harm will likely come if 87 is added by mistake." Now this "may be" true for some engines spec'ed to use premium, but certainly not all engines, and it is very poor advice. If your engine is designed to use premium only, that is what should be used. Regarding my original point about an engine running cooler on premium (or "not cooler" in your opinion), you seem to playing games with the facts. Look at this way--if a Toyota V6 engine delivers more horsepower with premium as Toyota claims (my dealer actually made me sign an acknowledgement of this fact when I took delivery of my V6 Camry), then for a given vehicle speed, less fuel will be used because the premium delivers more horsepower for the same amount of fuel. And since (as you said above) premium and regular have the same BTU content, then less heat will be generated with premium assuming that the vehicle is traveling the same speed as it would be with regular fuel. This is what the magic of higher octane does. It makes the fuel burn slower to deliver more power and better mileage (assuming that the engine is designed to take advantage of the higher octane). Since premium gas burns slower than regular at the same vehicle speed, there is less heat generated as a byproduct of combustion using premium fuel. BTW. Most of us who had cars (especially cars that were not so new) in the "old days" before electronic ignitions and fuel injection knew that engine knock is much more likely to occur on a very hot day, compared to a cold day. And we also know that engine knock can be reduced or eliminated by using higher octane fuel. >> Check out these articles: >> [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > certainly not all engines, and it is very poor advice. If your engine is > designed to use premium only, that is what should be used. Very true. > Regarding my original point about an engine running cooler on premium (or > "not cooler" in your opinion), you seem to playing games with the facts. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > burns slower than regular at the same vehicle speed, there is less heat > generated as a byproduct of combustion using premium fuel. Engines that can produce more horsepower when using premium but can still run on regular do so because the ECM is programmed to advance the ignition timing more aggressively. Advancing timing more aggressively can lead to knocking. Modern vehicles have knock sensors, and if the sensor detects pinging or knocking, the ECM retards the ignition timing until the knocking stops. Since premium fuel resists knocking better than regular, the ignition timing can be advanced more before it has to start retarding the timing. In other words, the higher horsepower comes from the advanced timing, not cooler combustion. SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) "Ray O" ... > "Mark A"... >>> Check out these articles: [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > In other words, the higher horsepower comes from the advanced timing, not > cooler combustion. OK, now I'm confused again. Sounds like premium or mid-grade would still be better, even in my little car? Natalie > OK, now I'm confused again. Sounds like premium or mid-grade would still > be better, even in my little car? > > Natalie It doesn't hurt, but it doesn't help either. If the manual calls for 91 octane, then you can cause problems by using 87. But if the manual calls for 87, you don't get and benefit from using 91. High octane is needed to prevent combustion primarily caused by heat and compression. High octane gas takes more of an ignition source than what can result from compression. A high compression engine can produce enough heat and pressure to result in the fuel mixture igniting too early, high octane helps to prevent this. Your Echo has a relatively low compression engine, therefore ignition from heat and compression is not going to happen, therefore you do not need to spend the money to keep it from happening. Let's say you had a truck or van that could accomodate pulling a trailer, and you were planning on a trip pulling up long grades in the summer heat. In this instance, you might notice the engine making noises caused by the fuel mixture being ignited earlier than it is designed for due to a combination of heat, compression inside the motor, and the load. You would combat this by using the higher octane fuel. Ray will say this is a sign of engine trouble, and it could be. It can also be a sign of other things that can't be fixed other than to use a higher grade of gasoline. Since the higher grade of gas is cheaper and easier to do than finding a repair center for repairs that are likely to be costly, I would suggest that the conditions are causing trouble that better gas can solve, and forget about seeking a mechanic. In any case, your Echo does not benefit from high octane gas, regular suits if just fine. Back to my illustration, if you were taking a trip in the Echo and had it loaded to the gills with stuff, your piece of mind might be a good enough reason to use premium gas. I'd suggest that reverting to regular for the drive around town before heading home wold be good for the pocket book -- better for the pocket book than the premium fuel is for the car. "Jeff Strickland" ... > "Wickeddoll®" ... >> [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > drive around town before heading home wold be good for the pocket book -- > better for the pocket book than the premium fuel is for the car. Ah, thanks. :-D Natalie > It doesn't hurt, but it doesn't help either. > > If the manual calls for 91 octane, then you can cause problems by using > 87. But if the manual calls for 87, you don't get and benefit from using > 91. I suspect that the Echo calls for 87 (regular) octane, but many Toyota V6 engines are specifically designed to run on regular or premium, with better horsepower with premium (and therefore better fuel economy). So the correct answer is to look at the users manual, and see if calls for: 1. Regular 2. Premium 3. Regular or Premium > OK, now I'm confused again. Sounds like premium or mid-grade would still > be better, even in my little car? > > Natalie What car and engine do you have? "Mark A" ... > "Wickeddoll®" ... >> OK, now I'm confused again. Sounds like premium or mid-grade would still [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > What car and engine do you have? Echo (2000) VVti Natalie > "Ray O" ... <snipped> > OK, now I'm confused again. Sounds like premium or mid-grade would still > be better, even in my little car? > > Natalie Possibly, but very unlikely, especially if you don't floor the gas pedal when the light turns green. Echos and Scions are going to programmed with a bias towards fuel economy instead of performance, so regular will do just fine. SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) "Ray O" <... > "Wickeddoll®".. > <snipped> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Echos and Scions are going to programmed with a bias towards fuel economy > instead of performance, so regular will do just fine. Danke :-) Natalie > "Ray O" <... >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Natalie You're welcome! SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) > In other words, the higher horsepower comes from the advanced timing, not > cooler combustion. > > Ray O At no time did I ever say, nor did I ever imply, that additional horsepower comes from cooler combustion. Besides sidestepping your post that I refuted, you are now trying to completely make up quotes, and then refute them, in order to make your own wrong answers look less conspicuous. >> In other words, the higher horsepower comes from the advanced timing, not >> cooler combustion. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > At no time did I ever say, nor did I ever imply, that additional > horsepower comes from cooler combustion. Sorry, I misunderstood or mis-interpreted your post then. It seems like you have a tendency to be offended when I post information tht is contrary to what you believe. It is not my intention to offend - I just try to set the record straight regardless of who the poster is. > Besides sidestepping your post that I refuted, you are now trying to > completely make up quotes, and then refute them, in order to make your own > wrong answers look less conspicuous. I re-read my posts, and they do not contain any incorrect information or wrong answers other than my apparent mis-interpretation of your post about the horsepower and cooler combustion. I have had the benefit of having taken the technician courses that explain how the vehicles are programmed and the reason why the engineers design things the way they do. I used to be the person that dealer service departments called when they couldn't fix a car, and in all of the cars I looked at, I can only recall three instances where I had to pass the car on to a field technical specialist to fix. (Two of them were diesels, which I have no experience with). I kind of miss the challenge of fixing problem cars and I'll admit that I getting a little rusty but fortunately, the principles behind how cars work have not changed. I don't like paying for repairs or maintenance any more than anyone else, so I try to share that knowledge and experience here. SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) >>> In other words, the higher horsepower comes from the advanced timing, not >>> cooler combustion. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >I don't like paying for repairs or maintenance any more than anyone else, so >I try to share that knowledge and experience here. Your contributions are very much appreciated, Ray. You saved our Wicked Gal a bunch of money on gas and me some cussin' while trying to put hoses on my Corolla. Not to mention all the others you help. Now back to irritating the liberals on here (and a pseudo conservative with two imaginary Marine friends)... SignatureScott in Florida <snipped> > Your contributions are very much appreciated, Ray. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > with > two imaginary Marine friends)... Thanks for the words of encouragement! Good luck on your crusade! SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) "Scott in Florida" "Ray O" wrote: >>"Mark A" <... >>> "Ray O" ... [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > Not to mention all the others you help. What Scott said! Not only do you give us great advice, you do so with class and courtesy. > Now back to irritating the liberals on here (and a pseudo conservative > with > two imaginary Marine friends)... You're on your own there, Scott... Natalie > You're on your own there, Scott... Ain't that the truth. Too bad I can't personally introduce him to either of my Marine acquaintances. The sarge would be most entertaining. He's only about 5'10". ;-) More than enough. >> You're on your own there, Scott... > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >The sarge would be most entertaining. He's only about 5'10". ;-) >More than enough. ROFLMAO I own ya, Witty.... SignatureScott in Florida >> You're on your own there, Scott... > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >The sarge would be most entertaining. He's only about 5'10". ;-) >More than enough. Why don't you introduce them to my cop son that is out in your area.. He would LOVE to meet ya.... SignatureScott in Florida > "Scott in Florida" > "Ray O" [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > > Natalie Natalie, you are always welcome! I guess the Boy Scout leader/teacher in me sneaks out every so often ;-) SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) > Sorry, I misunderstood or mis-interpreted your post then. It seems like > you have a tendency to be offended when I post information tht is contrary > to what you believe. It is not my intention to offend - I just try to set > the record straight regardless of who the poster is. I don't get offended when you post information contrary to mine. I do get offended when you misquote me, then refute my misquoted statement, and meanwhile ignore the part of my post that proves you are wrong. >> Sorry, I misunderstood or mis-interpreted your post then. It seems like >> you have a tendency to be offended when I post information tht is [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > offended when you misquote me, then refute my misquoted statement, and > meanwhile ignore the part of my post that proves you are wrong. I apologize for offending you, and as I said before, if I misquoted, it was not intentional and I apologize for that. Intentional mis-quotes or twisting someone's quote diminishes one's credibility, as does frequent posting of incorrect information without acknowledging an error when one is pointed out. I hope that I've built up some credibility here over the years, so I try not to toss it away. SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) > ...is how much I paid to fill my 10-gallon tank today! This summer, I > plan to like, *never* drive, despite my great mileage in my 2000 Echo. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Natalie $48.95 for the Supra (7 gallons 93, 6 gallons 89 for ~91 Octane) >> ...is how much I paid to fill my 10-gallon tank today! This summer, I >> plan to like, *never* drive, despite my great mileage in my 2000 Echo. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >$48.95 for the Supra (7 gallons 93, 6 gallons 89 for ~91 Octane) I'll trade ya - it's been averaging $105 for the E-250 if I let it get down to the vapors (under 1/8) before filling up. That's at Van Nuys Costco which is the cheapest good gas around, $3.73.9 yesterday. 34 gallon tank. An Echo would be wonderful - till I tried to balance a 12-foot trestle ladder (200#) 12' and 10' A-ladders and a 24' extension ladder on the roof. The ladders would stick out past the bumpers at both ends, and then there's the effect of wind resistance... If I got really desperate, my FJ-62 is about the smallest vehicle that I could work out of and actually accomplish something. --<< Bruce >>-- >>> ...is how much I paid to fill my 10-gallon tank today! This summer, I >>> plan to like, *never* drive, despite my great mileage in my 2000 Echo. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > --<< Bruce >>-- Holy Cow! Buy Firefly's '83 Tercel Wagon, and skip the AC installation. He's near you, and the guy I got my Tercel Wagon from was using it for house painting. Had the Safari rack and everything! > > "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in messag > > news:t6QPj.7360$XY1.484@trndny03.. > > Wickeddoll® wrote [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > > This summer, I plan to like, *never* drive, despite my grea mileage i > > my 2000 Echo. (about 37/40 MPG) I always use premium, despit the cos > > (we're talking a very small difference overall > > > > One thing about the "premium" is that it also take more energy to mak > > than the regular gasoline. Unless your car needs it, it is waste o > > money. Some people will say they are treating the car to th "better > > fuel. Cars don't care. They don't have a brain. If you want t make > > treat for something, give a dog a doggie treat > > > Jeff Strickland wrote > > I'm with Jeff on this one. Get the Regular gas and buy the dog a ice cream > cone While hubby is out bustin' his hump, she's 'workin' fro home (on the toyota ng) and pumpin' primium into he [i:7129f4366c]echo[/i:7129f4366c]! LMA I'm always glad to come on line and see these fine examples o 'merican womanhood who remind me it's better to throw my money on th courthouse steps than to get married in this country. At least tha way you don' have to deal with the constant need for attention. C "Fla/Pa" ... > > > "Jeff" <... > > > Wickeddoll® wrote: [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > CP You have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about. My husband and I *both* busted our a.ses when we were younger, but now he's an executive (Air Force Officer), and I gave up nursing to do medical transcription editing for a voice-activated system. I'll be turning 50 soon (so will hubby). We've *earned* a less hectic life. For the record, I work on my laptop for most of the day, then clean house the other part of the day. I pop in here only when I need a break from medical jargon. I assure you, we both give each other only as much attention as we want. You might want to ask what someone does with their day, before making assumptions. I'm just saying. Try not to be bitter. It makes you look pitiful. Natalie > You have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about. > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Natalie Nat, don't you just love these folks (I use the term "folks" because if I didn't, I'd use a term meaning the orifice in the vicinity of the gluteous maximus) who make these ASSumptions about people they don't know? I wouldn't give this cretin the time of day, let alone tell him what your occupation is. (Or tell him that you spend your days in front of the laptop sending out Nigerian spam letters to suckers, and have made $14 million so far this year.) : - ) cheers, Mack "mack" ... > "Wickeddoll... >> You have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > cheers, Mack Bwahahaha! Natalie > "Fla/Pa" ... >> [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > Natalie Nat, don't rationalize with this muttonhead... "hachiroku" , Wickeddoll® wrote: >> "Fla/Pa" ... >>> [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > > Nat, don't rationalize with this muttonhead... He/she/it sounds eerily similar to a couple of other posters here; might be a new nickname. Natalie >> Nat, don't rationalize with this muttonhead... >> > He/she/it sounds eerily similar to a couple of other posters here; might > be a new nickname. > > Natalie I know who you mean, but, they're at least somewhat intelligent... "hachiroku" Wickeddoll® wrote: >>> Nat, don't rationalize with this muttonhead... >>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I know who you mean, but, they're at least somewhat intelligent... If you say so... :-) Natalie I paid about 34 to fill mine... Makes me wonder about the days when it would have been 17... oh well heard smaller cars are selling like hot cakes now > ...is how much I paid to fill my 10-gallon tank today! This summer, I > plan to like, *never* drive, despite my great mileage in my 2000 Echo. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Natalie > I paid about 34 to fill mine... > > Makes me wonder about the days when it would have been 17... oh well > > heard smaller cars are selling like hot cakes now. I've been riding my mountain bike to the gym. No gas use whatsoever. <g> "witfal" < >, "Don't Taze Me, Bro!" <> >> I paid about 34 to fill mine... [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > No gas use whatsoever. <g> Except when you eat burritos. Natalie >> I paid about 34 to fill mine... >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > No gas use whatsoever. <g> Don't forget that there is oil that goes into making the tires. Not to mention the oil that lubricates the chain. You can't totally escape oil. Jeff >>> I paid about 34 to fill mine... >>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > You can't totally escape oil. Not even with the keyboard you used to type this. >>>> I paid about 34 to fill mine... >>>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Not even with the keyboard you used to type this. Or powering the computers and servers that sent you this message. >>>>> I paid about 34 to fill mine... >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> > Or powering the computers and servers that sent you this message. Or the eyeglasses you used to READ the message before hitting "send". "witfal" Jeff < said: "Don't Taze Me, Bro!" >>>>>> I paid about 34 to fill mine... >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Or the eyeglasses you used to READ the message before hitting "send". OK, guys we get it.... LOL Natalie >>> I paid about 34 to fill mine... >>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Jeff Well, sure... you cannot totally escape it, lol.. but we can cut 99% of our use of it, and that's enough. I've just paid $125 to fill mine up. UK gallons though. Wish I lived your side of the pond ! Dave G >...is how much I paid to fill my 10-gallon tank today! This summer, I plan >to like, *never* drive, despite my great mileage in my 2000 Echo. (about [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Natalie "Dave G via CarKB.com"... > I've just paid $125 to fill mine up. UK gallons though. Wish I lived your > side of the pond ! > > Dave G If you're coming here, do it soon, since the prices are going up soon! Natalie >>...is how much I paid to fill my 10-gallon tank today! This summer, I >>plan [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> >>Natalie > "Dave G via CarKB.com"... >> I've just paid $125 to fill mine up. UK gallons though. Wish I lived your [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Natalie Nat, five years ago we went to Ireland, and rented a tiny (but large interior-wise) Citroen C-3, which we loved. It got over 40 mpg on the highway. But each time we stopped for gas, which if I recall correctly, was about 85 cents per liter, I'd put the nozzle in the fuel filler and look away from the pump, feeling each time like "okay, I'm being raped, so relax and enjoy it!" and when the tiny tank filled up with 7 or 8 gallons, and I'd pay the equivalent of $40 or more in Euro, I'd simply roll my eyes and hand over the Mastercard for ransom. I'd hate to think what the Irish are paying these days! "mack"... > "Wickeddoll®" .. >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > I'd hate to think what the Irish are paying these days! Holy crap! And Citroens are butt-fugly to boot! Natalie > "mack"... >> "Wickeddoll®" .. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Natalie I drove an Renault R5 about 12 years ago. Nice little car. Jeff >"mack"... >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > >Natalie Maybe so, but they are comfortable.... SignatureScott in Florida > "Dave G via CarKB.com"... >> I've just paid $125 to fill mine up. UK gallons though. Wish I lived your [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > If you're coming here, do it soon, since the prices are going up soon! actually... they would take our 4 dollars a gallon any day..... heck.. they would take it at 5.50 a gallon... Come on premium gas in an Echo..? You must be single or your husband has given up trying to give you common sense advice .I guess that's why u go on line for it? Either that or he's dumb as u are.. Some people can earn all the money they want but they will never have anything because they don't know squat about managing money. I'm just sayin.. "R R" .. > Come on premium gas in an Echo..? You must be single or your husband > has given up trying to give you common sense advice .I guess that's why [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I'm just sayin.. A WebTV troll. What are the odds? Natalie I've just paid $125 to fill mine up. UK gallons though. Wish I lived your side of the pond ! Dave G >...is how much I paid to fill my 10-gallon tank today! This summer, I plan >to like, *never* drive, despite my great mileage in my 2000 Echo. (about [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Natalie > I've just paid $125 to fill mine up. UK gallons though. Wish I lived > your side of the pond ! [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> >>Natalie UK Gallons or not...*OUCH*!!! What do you drive? A Vauxhall Vetra ( General Motors ) >> I've just paid $125 to fill mine up. UK gallons though. Wish I lived >> your side of the pond ! [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >What do you drive? > ...is how much I paid to fill my 10-gallon tank today! This summer, I > plan to like, *never* drive, despite my great mileage in my 2000 Echo. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Natalie Well I've cut my driving down as much as I can. But I still paid 40.00 to fill my 50-liter Corolla tank last week. My brother has a 75-liter Previa tank. I figure he's hitting 60.00 every time he fills it. When I first got my first 50 liter tank, gas was 75.9 (1979) And NOBODY is addressing the real issue in the campaign: The ridiculously high cost of gas. Everybody's tiptoeing around it like it's a homemade Claymore. Charles the Curmudgeon > And NOBODY is addressing the real issue in the campaign: The > ridiculously high cost of gas. Everybody's tiptoeing around it like > it's a homemade Claymore. Because BOTH parties share equally in the American public getting royally f**cked over by gas prices. "witfal" <n5hsr@comcast.net> said: >> And NOBODY is addressing the real issue in the campaign: The >> ridiculously high cost of gas. Everybody's tiptoeing around it like it's >> a homemade Claymore. > > Because BOTH parties share equally in the American public getting royally > f**cked over by gas prices. Hear, hear! Natalie > "witfal" > <n5hsr@comcast.net> said: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Natalie Yes, the LIEberal Deomcrats crossed over to help McCain win, now they get mad at the Republican'ts when they return the favor to help Hillary win. So can we legally get someone to change his name to None of the Above, so we can write him in? Charles the Curmudgeon |
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