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(OT:) We can't drill in the Gulf, let's let the Nigerians

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hachiroku - 08 May 2008 18:04 GMT
This is where touchy-feely Liberalism gets you:

Congress won't allow drilling in the Gulf of Mexico by US companies.
However, at a meeting of oil producing countries, Nigeria is inking a 100-
year lease to drill in the Gulf's oil reserves.

This makes sense, huh? A highly regulated US industry is banned from
exploring for oil with the best equipment in the world, but we're going
to allow one of the least technologically advance countries in the world
do it.

When the *HELL* are we going to vote these dimwit Democrats OUT OF OFFICE
so we can become competitive again?!
JoeSpareBedroom - 08 May 2008 19:10 GMT
> This is where touchy-feely Liberalism gets you:
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> When the *HELL* are we going to vote these dimwit Democrats OUT OF OFFICE
> so we can become competitive again?!

How do you ***KNOW*** with absolute, ironclad certainty that this is the
work of democrats?  Furthermore, it seems to be a back room business deal
that somehow gets around the rules. Provide all your information on this
issue.
hachiroku - 08 May 2008 20:03 GMT
>> This is where touchy-feely Liberalism gets you:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> deal that somehow gets around the rules. Provide all your information on
> this issue.

Watch for yourself:

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/tv/
Glenn Beck, every day at 7p and 9p ET on Headline News

How do I know it was Democrats? Who the hell else tries to drag this
country into the Stone Age?
JoeSpareBedroom - 08 May 2008 20:17 GMT
>>> This is where touchy-feely Liberalism gets you:
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> How do I know it was Democrats? Who the hell else tries to drag this
> country into the Stone Age?

There's nothing on that page related to your original message. You must've
heard about it on television. When you find an actual news story about it,
y'all come back and tell me about it.
Hachiroku ハチロク - 09 May 2008 00:16 GMT
>> Watch for yourself:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> heard about it on television. When you find an actual news story about it,
> y'all come back and tell me about it.

Once again proving you can't read, it's going to be on CNN in about 15
minutes.

If you put the bottle down NOW, you might even be able to comprehend it.

If you don't, you'll have to wait until 9 PM when it coms back on.
JoeSpareBedroom - 09 May 2008 00:42 GMT
>>> Watch for yourself:
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> If you don't, you'll have to wait until 9 PM when it coms back on.

I don't have cable TV. Find a source to corroborate Beck's story.

And by the way, if a corporation manages to skirt the law as you've
described, then that's not the news story. The story should be who in our
government was paid off to allow it to happen.
Hachiroku ハチロク - 09 May 2008 02:10 GMT
>> Once again proving you can't read, it's going to be on CNN in about 15
>> minutes.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> described, then that's not the news story. The story should be who in our
> government was paid off to allow it to happen.

What I don't know is who they're signing the lease with.
They may not be drilling in US waters.

The thing is, they are drilling in the Gulf. Or, will be.

So, instead of doing the drilling ourselves, we're going to let someone
else do the drilling and then charge us a premium price for oil we could
get ourselves. You can thank the tree huggers and the Democrats for that.

An oil field isn't usually localized, they're usually very large. We could
probably tap the same oil field from within our own waters and use the oil
to offset the prices ramped up by the Chinese. But the dunderheads that
control policy right now won't allow that, cause it might foul up the
ecology of the area.

An oil spill 200 miles out isn't much different from an oil spill 160
miles out. But, let's just go ahead and let everyone else grab it so we
can buy it back at bloated prices, and get the warm fuzzies cause WE
didn't cause an oil spill, 'K?
JoeSpareBedroom - 09 May 2008 02:14 GMT
>>> Once again proving you can't read, it's going to be on CNN in about 15
>>> minutes.
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
> can buy it back at bloated prices, and get the warm fuzzies cause WE
> didn't cause an oil spill, 'K?

We need to wait until tomorrow when some reputable news sources pick up the
story. As it stands right now, you are missing about 99% of the information
needed to discuss this issue.

You will now disagree. But, you need to explain the following:  If "Nigeria"
drills for oil, it's not "Nigeria" doing the drilling. It's one of several
companies which do the work. At least two of those companies are American.
So, the law must say that they can't drill in certain places if it's on
their own behalf, but they *can* drill in those places if it's on behalf of
a foreign government.

Is that what you're saying?
Hachiroku ハチロク - 09 May 2008 02:55 GMT
>> An oil spill 200 miles out isn't much different from an oil spill 160
>> miles out. But, let's just go ahead and let everyone else grab it so we
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> the story. As it stands right now, you are missing about 99% of the
> information needed to discuss this issue.

Not really.

Why aren't US companies drilling for oil in the Gulf? Let's
discuss that, eh?

Who cares if it's Nigeria, South Africa, China or Timbuktu?
In other words, WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?!?!?!
Why aren't *WE* drilling for oil right in our own friggin back yard?!?!

Lay off the bottle so I don't have to hit you over the head next time!
Reasoned Insanity - 09 May 2008 14:58 GMT
>>> An oil spill 200 miles out isn't much different from an oil spill 160
>>> miles out. But, let's just go ahead and let everyone else grab it so we
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Lay off the bottle so I don't have to hit you over the head next time!

Personally, I don't care that it's Nigeria that supposedly wants to drill
for oil in our gulf. What pisses me off is that anyone is doing it besides
the US. Thanks dims, you keep us dependant on foreign oil so much I see that
you are no different than Bush. That's right. I'm outright accusing dims of
being in bed with big oil just as much as Bush's family is. They are no
different from one another.
JoeSpareBedroom - 09 May 2008 15:01 GMT
>>>> An oil spill 200 miles out isn't much different from an oil spill 160
>>>> miles out. But, let's just go ahead and let everyone else grab it so we
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> dims of being in bed with big oil just as much as Bush's family is. They
> are no different from one another.

All presidents as far back as Nixon have been too closely linked with the
oil biz, and more importantly, with the Arabs. But, Hach's point is
different. He's saying it bothers him that environmental regs keep Chevron
from drilling in certain places, but if Nigeria gains rights to drill in
those places, it will be Chevron doing it for them. So, that's why I said
there's information missing here. His theory makes no sense. But, he might
be right. We'll find out if & when he comes up with more information.
hachiroku ハチロク - 09 May 2008 16:55 GMT
>>>>> An oil spill 200 miles out isn't much different from an oil spill
>>>>> 160 miles out. But, let's just go ahead and let everyone else grab
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
> But, he might be right. We'll find out if & when he comes up with more
> information.

Like I said, Joe, it doesn't matter who's doing the drilling (as far as
the company actually doing the drilling) the output is going to go to
someone who will gladly sell it back to us at top dollar.

Let's say there's 4B BBL under the Gulf. If Gulf were drilling in the
Gulf, they could offer the oil to US customers at $65 a BBL and still
make a tidy sum from it. Since you now have the second biggest oil
consumer (maybe the biggest, but not for much longer) paying half the
price, the world oil market will come back in line. Especially if you
start putting the oil on the market for less than $120 BBL. Let's say you
sell it domestically for $65 BBL, and to foreign interests at $75 BBL.
THis will cause everyone in the oil industry to rethink and adjust
accordingly.

Ah, but the Democrqats don't like that! A duck might get oily. Yeah, a
tragedy, for sure. but in the grand scheme of things, they'll make more
ducks.
JoeSpareBedroom - 09 May 2008 17:25 GMT
>>>>>> An oil spill 200 miles out isn't much different from an oil spill
>>>>>> 160 miles out. But, let's just go ahead and let everyone else grab
[quoted text clipped - 49 lines]
> tragedy, for sure. but in the grand scheme of things, they'll make more
> ducks.

This is the last time I'm going to tell you:  You do not have enough
information about this Nigerian deal you invented. You're using this lack of
information to invent a convoluted story involving environmental rules.
You're doing this because you *needed* to concoct something.

As of two hours ago, there's still nothing on Beck's web page about this.
Nothing on any major news sites, nothing recent via google.

Show me some reliable information about your story, or be quiet.
hachiroku ハチロク - 09 May 2008 17:39 GMT
>> Like I said, Joe, it doesn't matter who's doing the drilling (as far as
>> the company actually doing the drilling) the output is going to go to
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> This is the last time I'm going to tell you:  You do not have enough
> information about this Nigerian deal you invented.

Boy, are you thick. WHO CARES WHO is getting the output?! I don't care if
it's your Auntie Grizelda! The fact is, *WE'RE* not getting it!

Is it really that hard a concept to grasp?

The deal with Nigeria hasn't been inked yet, but there are plenty of
references to Venezuela and China drilling in the Gulf. They're drilling
in reserves shared between the US and Mexico.

The Truth is out there.
JoeSpareBedroom - 09 May 2008 17:49 GMT
>>> Like I said, Joe, it doesn't matter who's doing the drilling (as far as
>>> the company actually doing the drilling) the output is going to go to
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
>
> The Truth is out there.

Now I understand what's happening here. Beck had no solid sources. He
expressed opinion (or outrage), and you are turning it into "facts".

Besides Venezuela & China drilling in our reserves, who else drills there?
Hachiroku ハチロク - 09 May 2008 19:40 GMT
>> Boy, are you thick. WHO CARES WHO is getting the output?! I don't care
>> if it's your Auntie Grizelda! The fact is, *WE'RE* not getting it!
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> Besides Venezuela & China drilling in our reserves, who else drills
> there?

Wow. Are you sure your name isn't Dense?

Beck said that there are talks going on about having Nigeria drill in the
Gulf for oil. It's not yet a done deal.

*I* said there are plenty of people drilling in the Gulf for oil. Out of
them, we're about the least. This is because of the blockades put up by
Congress.

See, Joe, the real point of this post was the blockades put up for
Domestic oil exploration by Congress, and if we don't get the oil, others
will. Following along so far?

Now, if you care to discuss this, be my guest. If you're just going to
keep up the subterfuge, I suggest you just STFU.
JoeSpareBedroom - 09 May 2008 19:54 GMT
>>> Boy, are you thick. WHO CARES WHO is getting the output?! I don't care
>>> if it's your Auntie Grizelda! The fact is, *WE'RE* not getting it!
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> them, we're about the least. This is because of the blockades put up by
> Congress.

Here's where you need to provide legislative details, not generalizations.
Give me either the formal names of the legislation, or the the bill numbers.
I know your generalizations are coming from TV and/or radio, but we need
details. Reality, in other words.

> See, Joe, the real point of this post was the blockades put up for
> Domestic oil exploration by Congress, and if we don't get the oil, others
> will. Following along so far?
>
> Now, if you care to discuss this, be my guest. If you're just going to
> keep up the subterfuge, I suggest you just STFU.

The republicans, led by a boy from the oil biz, had 4 years in which to
overturn the environmental regs you're bitching about. I wonder why they
didn't do that. It would've been easy for them.
Hachiroku ハチロク - 09 May 2008 21:46 GMT
>> *I* said there are plenty of people drilling in the Gulf for oil. Out
>> of them, we're about the least. This is because of the blockades put up
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> the the bill numbers. I know your generalizations are coming from TV
> and/or radio, but we need details. Reality, in other words.

You're kidding, right?

>> See, Joe, the real point of this post was the blockades put up for
>> Domestic oil exploration by Congress, and if we don't get the oil,
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> overturn the environmental regs you're bitching about. I wonder why they
> didn't do that. It would've been easy for them.

The laws were passed in 2006. Let's see, who was controlling Congress in
2006...
JoeSpareBedroom - 09 May 2008 21:47 GMT
>>> *I* said there are plenty of people drilling in the Gulf for oil. Out
>>> of them, we're about the least. This is because of the blockades put up
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> The laws were passed in 2006. Let's see, who was controlling Congress in
> 2006...

No, I'm not kidding. You just said the laws were passed in 2006, so you *DO*
have a bit of detail about the laws. But, you can't name them. Who told you
"2006"?

More information.
Hachiroku ハチロク - 10 May 2008 03:39 GMT
>> The laws were passed in 2006. Let's see, who was controlling Congress in
>> 2006...
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> More information.

Let me guess, you don't have a computer, either.

It's fairly easy to find. Go have a look.
JoeSpareBedroom - 10 May 2008 09:30 GMT
>>> The laws were passed in 2006. Let's see, who was controlling Congress in
>>> 2006...
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> It's fairly easy to find. Go have a look.

You invented a fairy tale based on what you heard from a TV pundit.

You hate it when I ask the question "Who told you to say that?". But this
thread is a perfect example of how foolish it is to repeat what you've been
told without having complete information to defend what you say.

You are embarrassed, and you should be.
Hachiroku ハチロク - 10 May 2008 15:19 GMT
>>>> The laws were passed in 2006. Let's see, who was controlling Congress
>>>> in 2006...
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> You are embarrassed, and you should be.

HAHAHAHAHA! Why am I embarrassed? I did some research and found there are
PLENTY of people other than us drilling in the Gulf.

And I also remember from my daus of reading the WSJ every day the bullshit
the Democrats put in place to stop US companies from drilling in the Gulf.

There are some, but they were Gradfathered in and can't plant any new rigs.

But if you keep thinking you know more than me, go right ahead. I don't
mind.

Please don't respond unless you want to discuss what's going on in the
Gulf. As usual, since you know nothing about the topic, but chose to
respond anyway, you go after me and my sources instead of finding some of
you own, and get totally off-topic.

Use Google. It really works.
JoeSpareBedroom - 10 May 2008 15:54 GMT
>>>>> The laws were passed in 2006. Let's see, who was controlling Congress
>>>>> in 2006...
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
>
> Use Google. It really works.

Without the names and/or numbers of the laws, everything you have said, and
everything you plan on saying next is vapor. Useless. A vain attempt to
cover your a.s.
Hachiroku ハチロク - 11 May 2008 03:12 GMT
>> Please don't respond unless you want to discuss what's going on in the
>> Gulf. As usual, since you know nothing about the topic, but chose to
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> and everything you plan on saying next is vapor. Useless. A vain attempt
> to cover your a.s.

As usual, you have nothing to add. You don't even bother to try to prove
what I'm saying is wrong. Bye.
JoeSpareBedroom - 11 May 2008 13:02 GMT
>>> Please don't respond unless you want to discuss what's going on in the
>>> Gulf. As usual, since you know nothing about the topic, but chose to
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> As usual, you have nothing to add. You don't even bother to try to prove
> what I'm saying is wrong. Bye.

You're right. I have nothing to say about this because I don't have the
information needed to comment in detail.

But neither do you. And I never would've made such a comment without first
looking up the legislation I was referring to so other people could see it.

Remember that next time you wake up in the morning and think "It's a great
day to say something stupid."
Mike hunt - 11 May 2008 17:28 GMT
Apparently you do that every day    LOL

"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:lfBVj.87239

> Remember that next time you wake up in the morning
> and  think "It's a great day to say something stupid."
JoeSpareBedroom - 11 May 2008 17:29 GMT
Go back to sleep, Uncle Jemima.

> Apparently you do that every day    LOL
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>> Remember that next time you wake up in the morning
>> and  think "It's a great day to say something stupid."
manny@london.com - 11 May 2008 22:44 GMT
> Remember that next time you wake up in the morning
> and  think "It's a great day to say something stupid."

> > Apparently you do that every day    LOL

> Go back to sleep, Uncle Jemima.

Joe, you don't exactly help your cause when you write things like
that.
JoeSpareBedroom - 11 May 2008 22:48 GMT
>> Remember that next time you wake up in the morning
>> and  think "It's a great day to say something stupid."
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Joe, you don't exactly help your cause when you write things like
> that.

Haven't you seen Hunt's video?
http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/play.shtml?mea=2584
hachiroku ハチロク - 11 May 2008 18:21 GMT
>> As usual, you have nothing to add. You don't even bother to try to
>> prove what I'm saying is wrong. Bye.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Remember that next time you wake up in the morning and think "It's a
> great day to say something stupid."

Then I'll post something you would.
edspyhill01@yahoo.com - 09 May 2008 19:40 GMT
> >> Like I said, Joe, it doesn't matter who's doing the drilling (as far as
> >> the company actually doing the drilling) the output is going to go to
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -

How did YOU find out?  Who told YOU?  Where did YOU read this?
Hachiroku ハチロク - 09 May 2008 21:47 GMT
>> Boy, are you thick. WHO CARES WHO is getting the output?! I don't care
>> if it's your Auntie Grizelda! The fact is, *WE'RE* not getting it!
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> How did YOU find out?  Who told YOU?  Where did YOU read this?

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/tv/
JoeSpareBedroom - 09 May 2008 21:54 GMT
>>> Boy, are you thick. WHO CARES WHO is getting the output?! I don't care
>>> if it's your Auntie Grizelda! The fact is, *WE'RE* not getting it!
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> http://www.glennbeck.com/content/tv/

As of this morning, there was NOTHING on his site about the story you're
telling. Stop posting that link. Show me at least one reputable source for
the story.
Nza - 12 May 2008 00:53 GMT
> "hachiroku ????" <Tru...@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 63 lines]
>
> Show me some reliable information about your story, or be quiet.

See, this is the type of fricking bone-headed liberal-minded welfare-
receiving communism-wanting thinking that has put America into the
fricking TOILET!    "Oh, you can't prove it with a citation, even
though it's obvious every time I spend one fricking cent, so I'm going
to fight you tooth and nail so I can feel good being the devil's
advocate."

f.ck THE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE!
JoeSpareBedroom - 12 May 2008 02:20 GMT
>> "hachiroku ????" <Tru...@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
>>
[quoted text clipped - 83 lines]
>
> f.ck THE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE!

Hey Einstein:  You should've read the whole thread. As it turns out, he was
100% wrong.

1) He referred to legislation that HURT our ability to go looking for more
oil in the Gulf. As it turns out, the legislation in question ALLOWS more
exploration. Here's it's official title:
S.3711 Title: A bill to enhance the energy independence and security of the
United States by providing for exploration, development, and production
activities for mineral resources in the Gulf of Mexico, and for other
purposes.

2) He claimed Democrats were behind an effort to prevent increased oil
exploration in the Gulf. In fact, the opposite it true. Most Senate
Democrats voted for the bill. The House version was even *more* suppportive
than the Senate version.

So, shut the f.ck up, moron.
Nza - 12 May 2008 02:50 GMT
> >> "hachiroku ????" <Tru...@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 101 lines]
>
> So, shut the f.ck up, moron.

Hey a.shole, f.ck you
JoeSpareBedroom - 12 May 2008 02:53 GMT
>> >> "hachiroku ????" <Tru...@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
>>
[quoted text clipped - 134 lines]
>
> Hey a.shole, f.ck you

That's exactly the response I'd expect from a child. A real man would say
"Sorry, I didn't realize that he'd posted lies. My mistake."
Nza - 12 May 2008 02:54 GMT
> >> "Nza" <the...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 141 lines]
> That's exactly the response I'd expect from a child. A real man would say
> "Sorry, I didn't realize that he'd posted lies. My mistake."

No it's more like:   i choose not to believe the tripe that you
believe.

Thank you, cock.
JoeSpareBedroom - 12 May 2008 02:58 GMT
>> >> "Nza" <the...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
[quoted text clipped - 172 lines]
>
> Thank you, cock.

Is this a lie?
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:SN3711:
manny@london.com - 12 May 2008 20:39 GMT
> > Show me some reliable information about your story, or be quiet.
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> to fight you tooth and nail so I can feel good being the devil's
> advocate."

Would it be better to rely more on gut feelings and hunches rather
than facts, especially after several beers?
hachiroku ハチロク - 09 May 2008 16:49 GMT
>>> We need to wait until tomorrow when some reputable news sources pick
>>> up the story. As it stands right now, you are missing about 99% of the
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> outright accusing dims of being in bed with big oil just as much as
> Bush's family is. They are no different from one another.

No doubt about it. They say they're helping the Greenies, but it's all
just more of the same.

I think it's a backhanded method of punishing the oil companies, but it's
the American oil consumer that's taking the punishment.

But, let's keep electing the Pelosis and the Reids and the Clintons. Does
us a world of good.

Actually, it does more of a world of good for the foreign oil producers.
edspyhill01@yahoo.com - 09 May 2008 19:38 GMT
> >>> We need to wait until tomorrow when some reputable news sources pick
> >>> up the story. As it stands right now, you are missing about 99% of the
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -
.
.
> But, let's keep electing the Pelosis and the Reids and the Clintons. Does
> us a world of good.

I am actively working to get MORE Democrats in office across the
nation.  If the US Oil Companies would invest a few bucks back into
improving safety and delivery we would trust them.
Hachiroku ハチロク - 09 May 2008 21:44 GMT
>> But, let's keep electing the Pelosis and the Reids and the Clintons.
>> Does us a world of good.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> If the US Oil Companies would invest a few bucks back into improving
> safety and delivery we would trust them.

So you trust Chinese and Nigerians to do a better job of Conservation?
Nza - 12 May 2008 02:53 GMT
> >>> We need to wait until tomorrow when some reputable news sources pick
> >>> up the story. As it stands right now, you are missing about 99% of the
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
>
> Actually, it does more of a world of good for the foreign oil producers.

Let's just bend over and let them take everything.   It is what the
framers of the constitution and the dec. of independence wanted,
right?   that's what all the devil's advocates want.   Let's go ahead
and believe it.   Freedom is overrated.   Let's argue against it,
Corolla!
Hachiroku ハチロク - 12 May 2008 04:40 GMT
>> Actually, it does more of a world of good for the foreign oil producers.
>
> Let's just bend over and let them take everything.   It is what the
> framers of the constitution and the dec. of independence wanted, right?  
> that's what all the devil's advocates want.   Let's go ahead and believe
> it.   Freedom is overrated.   Let's argue against it, Corolla!

At least someone understands the point of the original post without 100
replies of explanation!! Yee Haaa!

Of course, you're not a Liberal. Some of them need extra help...
Learning Richard - 11 May 2008 13:48 GMT
> Glenn Beck

Man, you seem so smart, then you go and quote this stupid right wing
nut megalojunkie.

What would you do if Exxon polluted Cape Cod with a catastrophic oil
spill?

> How do I know it was Democrats?

Yeah that's the question.

> Who the hell else tries to drag this
> country into the Stone Age?

Conservatism \Con*serv"a*tism\, n. [For conservatism.]
  The disposition and tendency to preserve what is established;
  opposition to change; the habit of mind; or conduct, of a
  conservative.

Well, certainly most Americans who consider themselves "Conservative"
are also Republicans.

See the above definition, especially the reference to "opposition to
change"... which political party has all of the dinosaurs who want to
keep doing business the old fashioned way?

I don't trust Exxon to be responsible _enough_ to go digging under the
earth (somewhere off the coast of Africa in this case, I presume) for
more oil safely.

Are you telling me that you do trust Exxon or Gulf or Shell or BP or
any other oil company be safe?   Does your recovering a.shole friend
Glenn Beck trust the nice Big Oil companies?
JoeSpareBedroom - 11 May 2008 14:08 GMT
>> Glenn Beck
>
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
> any other oil company be safe?   Does your recovering a.shole friend
> Glenn Beck trust the nice Big Oil companies?

Maybe we can finally put this to bed. As usual, Hach didn't do his research.
I got impatient and did it for him.

Senate bill S.3711 passed on August 1, 2006. The vote was 71 yea, 25 nay, 4
not voting. Contrary to Hach the idiot's theory, plenty of Democrats voted
*for* the bill. These left-wing unfair unbalanced untrustworthy sources have
all the information:

http://senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congres
s=109&session=2&vote=00219#position

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:SN3711:

The biggest limitation is drilling near the coast of Florida. Guess who
insisted on that limitation *originally*. See below.
Bill Details
Specifically prohibited: drilling within 100-125 miles of the coastline of
the State of Florida. Half of the lease revenue goes into the federal
general fund; half is disbursed to Gulf states and states eligible for Land
and Water Conservation Fund monies.

According to the Congressional Budget Office, royalties are estimated at
$1.55 billion over the first 10 years. From 1982 - 2001, the US collected
$110.4 billion from onshore and offshore leases.

The Senate bill differs dramatically from the House version, which is more
liberal. The House would open all shores to oil drilling unless a state
objects.

Back Story
Area 181, about 1.5 million acres of this plan, was first proposed for
drilling in 1997. In 2001, the Bush Administration backed off a plan that
would come within 10 miles of the Florida coast, in part because brother Jeb
(Governor of Florida) objected. From a 2001 press release:

 "We have listened and worked carefully with officials and affected
citizens around the 181 lease area. The outcome is a balanced and common
sense proposal," said [Interior] Secretary [Gale] Norton. "Our modified 181
area has been adjusted from 5.9 million acres to 1.5 million. The adjusted
area is at least 100 miles from any portion of the Florida coast. For
example, it's northern border is more than 100 miles from Pensacola, Florida
and the eastern edge is 285 miles from the shores of Tampa Bay.
From 1954 - 1990, the federal government leased 63,512,799 acres in four
regions -- Alaska, the Atlantic, the Gulf of Mexico, and the Pacific. The
first production was in the Gulf of Mexico. In 1990, 25% were producing oil
and gas.

From 1982 - 2000, the Department of Interior has managed ocean leases that
generated more than 10.9 billion barrels of domestic oil and 133 trillion
cubic feet of gas; 97% came from the Gulf of Mexico. The oil data is at the
most optimistic end of estimates from the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.

Perspective
The area contains a quarter of the lowest estimate of reserves in the
controversial Arctic National Wildlife Reserve. So this new area will
provide no more than one percent of our current daily consumption.
Mike hunt - 11 May 2008 17:38 GMT
Sound pretty good to me, considering the current daily consumption in the US
is 40 million barrels a DAY!

I remember when the Dims and the environuts were saying the same crap while
fighting the idea to drill the North Slope the  LOL

> The area contains a quarter of the lowest estimate of reserves in the
> controversial Arctic National Wildlife Reserve. So this new area will
> provide no more than one percent of our current daily consumption.
Hachiroku ハチロク - 12 May 2008 03:08 GMT
> From 1982 - 2000, the Department of Interior has managed ocean leases that
> generated more than 10.9 billion barrels of domestic oil and 133 trillion
> cubic feet of gas; 97% came from the Gulf of Mexico. The oil data is at
> the most optimistic end of estimates from the Arctic National Wildlife
> Refuge.

Wow. You actually came up with something except obfuscation for once.

So why are they leasing the areas to foriegners?
JoeSpareBedroom - 12 May 2008 03:18 GMT
>> From 1982 - 2000, the Department of Interior has managed ocean leases
>> that
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> So why are they leasing the areas to foriegners?

Because it's legal.
Hachiroku ハチロク - 12 May 2008 04:36 GMT
>>> From 1982 - 2000, the Department of Interior has managed ocean leases
>>> that
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Because it's legal.

That helps us a lot.
JoeSpareBedroom - 12 May 2008 04:58 GMT
>>>> From 1982 - 2000, the Department of Interior has managed ocean leases
>>>> that
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> That helps us a lot.

Better question:  How are we able to decide who drills in international
waters?
Mike hunt - 11 May 2008 17:30 GMT
Learning Little Richard, where do you thing we would be WITHOUT those big
oil companies?     LOL

>> Glenn Beck
>
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
> any other oil company be safe?   Does your recovering a.shole friend
> Glenn Beck trust the nice Big Oil companies?
Hachiroku ハチロク - 12 May 2008 03:04 GMT
>> Glenn Beck
>
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
> other oil company be safe?   Does your recovering a.shole friend Glenn
> Beck trust the nice Big Oil companies?

I believe he does. I sure think they're better able to handle any 'erros'
than Nigerians or Chinese.

They also have to live here and pay for any pollution. Thing the Nigerians
or the Chinese would stick around?
Nza - 12 May 2008 03:20 GMT
> >> Glenn Beck
>
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
> They also have to live here and pay for any pollution. Thing the Nigerians
> or the Chinese would stick around?

The Chinese are already responsible for most of the "air pollution" on
the West Coast anyway..

What would be different?   Let's let the Chinese do us over!    Hell,
Carter already gave them control of both ends of the Panama Canal....
just because he's a fuckwad...

How do you say "I will serve if you spare my pathetic life" in
Chinese?
I think a lot of people will need to learn how to say that.

Personally, I will go out "clinging to my guns and my religion."

Go ahead, I dare anyone to take my guns.
Hachiroku ハチロク - 12 May 2008 04:38 GMT
>> I believe he does. I sure think they're better able to handle any
>> 'erros' than Nigerians or Chinese.
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Go ahead, I dare anyone to take my guns.

Not me, I'm a coward!

Not only that, but we send money to them by the barrel. In November the
BBC reported the Chinese Government had a surplus of $1.3T. And that they
were spednding it on building up the military. YEAH! I want to send them
MORE MONEY!!!
edspyhill01@yahoo.com - 08 May 2008 21:22 GMT
> This is where touchy-feely Liberalism gets you:
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> When the *HELL* are we going to vote these dimwit Democrats OUT OF OFFICE
> so we can become competitive again?!

You mean we can stop North and South American companies from drilling
oil in the Gulf but we can't stop Nigeria?  Sounds like a sweetheart
deal between Bush, Cheny, and Nigeria.
JoeSpareBedroom - 08 May 2008 21:29 GMT
On May 8, 1:04 pm, hachiroku <Tru...@ae86.GTS> wrote:
> This is where touchy-feely Liberalism gets you:
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> When the *HELL* are we going to vote these dimwit Democrats OUT OF OFFICE
> so we can become competitive again?!

You mean we can stop North and South American companies from drilling
oil in the Gulf but we can't stop Nigeria?  Sounds like a sweetheart
deal between Bush, Cheny, and Nigeria.

=========================

I don't suppose the deal could've involved golf course negotiations
involving any of the biggest corporate players in Nigeria, like Mobil,
Chevron and Shell.
edspyhill01@yahoo.com - 08 May 2008 21:48 GMT
> <edspyhil...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> involving any of the biggest corporate players in Nigeria, like Mobil,
> Chevron and Shell.

Of COURSE not!
Mike hunt - 08 May 2008 22:52 GMT
Still talking stupid again   LOL

> On May 8, 1:04 pm, hachiroku <Tru...@ae86.GTS> wrote:
>> This is where touchy-feely Liberalism gets you:
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> involving any of the biggest corporate players in Nigeria, like Mobil,
> Chevron and Shell.
JoeSpareBedroom - 08 May 2008 23:35 GMT
You drunken old twat. Nigeria's government does nothing but collect
kickbacks from the oil business. Their government would be barely involved
with negotiating drilling arrangements in the Gulf. That would be done by
the companies who'll actually do the work. Those companies know how much
they need to kick back to the Nigerians.

> Still talking stupid again   LOL
>
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>> involving any of the biggest corporate players in Nigeria, like Mobil,
>> Chevron and Shell.
Don't Taze Me, Bro! - 09 May 2008 22:21 GMT
> This is where touchy-feely Liberalism gets you:
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> When the *HELL* are we going to vote these dimwit Democrats OUT OF OFFICE
> so we can become competitive again?!

It's cheaper... no tax to pump it through nigeria...
JoeSpareBedroom - 09 May 2008 22:24 GMT
>> This is where touchy-feely Liberalism gets you:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> It's cheaper... no tax to pump it through nigeria...

.....which should point Hach right back to my comment about agreements made
on golf courses.
hachiroku ハチロク - 11 May 2008 18:23 GMT
>>> This is where touchy-feely Liberalism gets you:
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> .....which should point Hach right back to my comment about agreements
> made on golf courses.

Yeah, but by whom?
JoeSpareBedroom - 11 May 2008 18:30 GMT
>>>> This is where touchy-feely Liberalism gets you:
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> Yeah, but by whom?

As of this moment, that's an unimportant detail.

What's important is that your fairy tale from your original post has been
blown to pieces. The legislation you described does NOT make it harder for
American companies to drill in the Gulf - it makes it easier. The bill
passed, and most Democrats voted ***FOR*** the bill.

You need to check what you hear from idiots like Beck, lest you also appear
to be an idiot.

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