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Car Forum / Toyota / Toyota Cars / May 2008I think I found the error when I'm working on cars...
other than even starting in the first place ;) I think it has more to do with my language. The kids next door get a real vocabulary lesson when I'm working on a car. I think the problem is, when I'm trying to do something and I say "God damn it!", he *DOES* and it makes it ten times worse. Next time I think I'll try "God bless it!" and see what happens! :) > other than even starting in the first place ;) > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > :) You're probably not holding your mouth just right when you say it. >> other than even starting in the first place ;) >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> > You're probably not holding your mouth just right when you say it. As someone told me, I'm using the wrong language to boot. I need to have Ray drill me in Japanese 'explitives'... >> Hachiroku ???? wrote: >>> other than even starting in the first place ;) [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > I need to have Ray drill me in Japanese 'explitives'... I use English when I'm working on cars...  SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) >>> You're probably not holding your mouth just right when you say it. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> > I use English when I'm working on cars... But the problem is, we have Japanese cars. One of the mechanics I have said, they don't understand English, so he learned a few choice words in Japanese for when he works on Toyotas and Hondas... >>>> You're probably not holding your mouth just right when you say it. >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > said, they don't understand English, so he learned a few choice words in > Japanese for when he works on Toyotas and Hondas... I don't think that there is a large vocabulary in Japanese for situations when things don't go quite right when working on cars, or if there is, I never learned it. On the other hand, my American vocabulary got lots of use when trying to get the rusty bolts off of the transmission pan on a '97 Escort - there is no transmission pan drain plug, all of the bolts were pretty corroded, most were obstructed by a cross member, you have to unbolt the transmission mount and raise the engine and transmission, and then try to remove the pan while it is full of fluid without dumping it all over the place. What I thought was a half hour job turned out to be around 6 hours, and I'm not really done because I probably should do someting about the pan bolt that snapped off. SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) >>>>> You're probably not holding your mouth just right when you say it. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >was a half hour job turned out to be around 6 hours, and I'm not really done >because I probably should do someting about the pan bolt that snapped off. Why didn't you just suck the fluid out thru the fill tube? SignatureScott in Florida Scott in Florida wrote: >>>>>> You're probably not holding your mouth just right when you say it. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Why didn't you just suck the fluid out thru the fill tube? If he needed to replace the filter, that wouldn't help. However some of the Ford trannies don't have filters - not sure about the Escort. Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with the letter 'x') > Scott in Florida wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > If he needed to replace the filter, that wouldn't help. However some of > the Ford trannies don't have filters - not sure about the Escort. It's based on Mazda mechanicals, and the Japanese are smart enough to use screens, as Ray found out! > Bill Putney > (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address > with the letter 'x') >>>>>> You're probably not holding your mouth just right when you say it. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Why didn't you just suck the fluid out thru the fill tube? I purchased a transmission filter at the same time I got the ATF before I crawled under the car to see the setup and didn't realize what I was up against. I figured "how hard can it be?" Besides, I don't have a fluid sucker outer because I've never had a reason to get one, but I will the next time the fluid needs changing! Now that I know that the filter is just a screen and there is no real reason to change it unless the transmission is toast, I'll probably just drain and refill through the fill tube. BTW, changing the ATF fixed the slippage and shift shock. SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) >>>>>>> You're probably not holding your mouth just right when you say it. >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] >toast, I'll probably just drain and refill through the fill tube. BTW, >changing the ATF fixed the slippage and shift shock. I fixed a lot of Escort problems by changing to my little '92 Corolla Wagon. Now I don't have to worry about: 1. Transmission failure THREE times in 180,000 miles 2. Timing belt breaking at 55,000 miles twice 3. Air Conditioning breaking at LEAST yearly 4. Burning LOTS of oil at the end. Escort = Piece Of sh.t SignatureScott in Florida On Sat, 10 May 2008 21:36:28 -0400, Scott in Florida wrote: > I fixed a lot of Escort problems by changing to my little '92 Corolla > Wagon. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > 1. Transmission failure THREE times in 180,000 miles 2. Timing belt > breaking at 55,000 miles twice How did you hit 55,000 miles twice? On Sun, 11 May 2008 02:11:44 GMT, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote: >On Sat, 10 May 2008 21:36:28 -0400, Scott in Florida wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >How did you hit 55,000 miles twice? It is damned hard in an Escort....LOL Should have said every 55,000.... SignatureScott in Florida On Sat, 10 May 2008 22:26:24 -0400, Scott in Florida wrote: >>On Sat, 10 May 2008 21:36:28 -0400, Scott in Florida wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Should have said every 55,000.... Must use the same belt (type) as my older Subaru. Guy said change it every 50,000, since it's only slightly bigger than a fan belt. On Sun, 11 May 2008 02:53:15 GMT, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote: >On Sat, 10 May 2008 22:26:24 -0400, Scott in Florida wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >Must use the same belt (type) as my older Subaru. Guy said change it every >50,000, since it's only slightly bigger than a fan belt. When I got my Toyota Wagon, it had 65,000 on it and I was NERVOUS! The mechanic at the dealership told me not to worry, toys were good for 80 or 90k. I've adopted a 65K interval for my changes. The Ford on the other hand was just like clockwork at the 55K mark. SignatureScott in Florida <snipped> > I fixed a lot of Escort problems by changing to my little '92 Corolla > Wagon. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Escort = Piece Of sh.t We've only had the Escort for a couple of months, but it is the same model year and has about the same mileage (135K) as our Avalon. I don't know that much about the Escort's maintenance and repair history, but we got it from a friend. Here's what I've noticed so far: Paint and upholstery in the Escort and Avalon are in roughly the same condition. Both front doors on the Escort sag slightly when open; the rear doors are fine. There is no door sag on the Avalon. The rear strut mount bushings on the Escort are making a groaning noise when going over bumps and will need replacement to fix the noise. The front strut mount bushings on the Avalon made a rattling noise that was fixed by replacement. When we got new tires for the Escort, the tire place said it needed ball joints. I have not checked to see if this is true or not. Other than the struts, the Avalon's steering and suspension is all original and in good condition. There were 7 bulbs out in the Escort when we got it - both license plate bulbs, the CHMSL bulb, a backup light bulb, the dome light bulb, the shift console bulb, and a dashboard bulb. The only bulb I have replaced in the Avalon is one of the CHMSL bulbs. Changing the transmission fluid in the Avalon is a LOT easier than in the Escort. The Avalon's 4 speed transmission shifts more smoothly than the Escort 3 speed, but that may be more because the Avalon is more upscale than the entry level Escort than due to age. The shift lever on the Avalon is a lot easier to move than in the Escort. I don't know if the Escort's shifter is difficult to move because of age or if that is normal. Changing the oil and filter is easy on both cars. According to Gates web site, the Escort has a timing chain, while the Avalon has a belt. My son told me today that the AC doesn't work very well in the Escort - I'll have to see what's up with that. It may need a charge or he may just be used to the frigid air from the Avalon's AC. For the 2 months or so that we have had it, the Escort has been OK, and the price was right. SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) ><snipped> >> [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] >For the 2 months or so that we have had it, the Escort has been OK, and the >price was right. Air bad on an Escort? ROFL..... I pulled into my Air Conditioning shop. He had completely rebuilt my Toyota system. He did a quick check and it had not leaked a bit in two years. I apologized for buying a Toyota and not doing much business with him. He laffed and said 'there are plenty of American cars to keep me busy'. SignatureScott in Florida >><snipped> >>> [quoted text clipped - 79 lines] > He laffed and said 'there are plenty of American cars to keep me > busy'. Most of the theoretical advice I dish out here is based on past experience - I was getting a little rusty under the hood. If the Escort turns out to be repair-intensive, I'll at least keep in practice :-) SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) >>><snipped> >>>> [quoted text clipped - 83 lines] >I was getting a little rusty under the hood. If the Escort turns out to be >repair-intensive, I'll at least keep in practice :-) Stand by for a brush up course....LOL SignatureScott in Florida <snipped> >>Most of the theoretical advice I dish out here is based on past >>experience - [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Stand by for a brush up course....LOL Thanks... My son just informed me that the Escort is becoming "hard to start." I guess we'll take it out and find out what's up with that. SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) ><snipped> >>>Most of the theoretical advice I dish out here is based on past [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >My son just informed me that the Escort is becoming "hard to start." I >guess we'll take it out and find out what's up with that. I'm sure you are up for it... Actually, it would be a great idea to pick him up an old Corolla. At least they stay fixed....LOL SignatureScott in Florida >><snipped> >>>>Most of the theoretical advice I dish out here is based on past [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Actually, it would be a great idea to pick him up an old Corolla. At > least they stay fixed....LOL Well, they could pick up a Corolla if they want to pay for it, all I've invested in the Escort so far are tires, a battery, a bunch of bulbs, a transmission screen, and some ATF. By the way, I tried starting the Escort 5 times, caught every time. SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) >>><snipped> >>>>>Most of the theoretical advice I dish out here is based on past [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >By the way, I tried starting the Escort 5 times, caught every time. Starter....hmmmmm My Escort starter only failed once in 190,000.... ...and the igniter was a 'known' problem and mine failed, too... I miss all the mechanics I had to have in my book while owning American iron....well not really, but I did have quite a stable. SignatureScott in Florida >>>><snipped> >>>>>>Most of the theoretical advice I dish out here is based on past [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > I miss all the mechanics I had to have in my book while owning > American iron....well not really, but I did have quite a stable. Hey! Don't jinx me - the car is working OK now, and with prime climbing and camping season coming up and with 2 kids in college, the last thing I want to do is dump time and money into a car! SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) >> But the problem is, we have Japanese cars. One of the mechanics I have >> said, they don't understand English, so he learned a few choice words in [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > hours, and I'm not really done because I probably should do someting about > the pan bolt that snapped off. FIPG is about $12 a tube from your Toyota dealer! ;) >>> But the problem is, we have Japanese cars. One of the mechanics I have >>> said, they don't understand English, so he learned a few choice words in [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > FIPG is about $12 a tube from your Toyota dealer! ;) I'll check to see if it leaks - if it does, then I'll get the old bolt out, otherwise, it's not worth the effort. SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) Ya'll better make that Japanese with a southern accent. ;) >>>> You're probably not holding your mouth just right when you say it. >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > said, they don't understand English, so he learned a few choice words in > Japanese for when he works on Toyotas and Hondas... > Ya'll better make that Japanese with a southern accent. ;) Right, if it's a Toyota Camry, Avalon or Solara, make it a Kentucky accent, and if it's a Nissan, make it a Tennessee accent. No problem if it's a Honda, just learn a few Ohioisms. >> Ya'll better make that Japanese with a southern accent. ;) >> > Right, if it's a Toyota Camry, Avalon or Solara, make it a Kentucky > accent, and if it's a Nissan, make it a Tennessee accent. No problem if > it's a Honda, just learn a few Ohioisms. All my cars except the Legacy begin with "J" >>> Hachiroku ???? wrote: >>>> other than even starting in the first place ;) [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > I use English when I'm working on cars... I doubt if I know 10 Japanese words. I know ichiban (Number 1). I know dozo means please, but there was a slightly different pronunciation used on ships to mean "steady as she goes". I know the words for oood morning, good afternoon and good evening, but I don't know how to spell them aright. ohiogosimas, konichiwa, kombowa is how Dad used to pronounce them, but I'm sure that's not quite right. Charles (PS sometimes I tell drivers they're number one, too! <g>) >>>> Hachiroku ???? wrote: >>>>> other than even starting in the first place ;) [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > (PS sometimes I tell drivers they're number one, too! <g>) Other than yelling the occasional "Hai!" at it, I don't know what to yell at a Japanese car when I'm upset with it. I don't get upset with them often enough, I guess. Charles the Curmudgeon On Fri, 09 May 2008 21:40:17 -0500, n5hsr wrote: >>>>> Hachiroku ???? wrote: >>>>>> other than even starting in the first place ;) [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Charles the Curmudgeon Don't work on rusty old ones, I gather... > On Fri, 09 May 2008 21:40:17 -0500, n5hsr wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > Don't work on rusty old ones, I gather... I live in an apartment, I don't even really have a parking spot that I can work on them. I suspect that if I had the hood up more than a few minutes to check fluids, they might call the tow truck. This is the same goofball that converted over 300 apartments to condo after the bubble burst. Now he's raised his price from 120,000 to 150,000! And he's not getting many takers. Charles the Curmudgeon. >> I doubt if I know 10 Japanese words. I know ichiban (Number 1). I know >> dozo means please, but there was a slightly different pronunciation used [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Charles the Curmudgeon Charles reminds me of my time on R and R in Tokyo, when I was buying a new suit and having it fitted at the tailor's. I did know the word "dozo" meant please, and that morning I'd gone with a friend to the Nihon Denshin Denwa building where he'd made an overseas phone call, and figured out that it meant "Japan Telegraph and Telephone". I was in the fitting room, where the seamstresses were plying their trade at the sewing machines, when the phone rang in the other room. An employee then came into the fitting room and announced "Yoko-san, denwa dozo...." and I instantly thought "Ah, Miss Yoko is wanted on the phone please..." ......and in another instant I thought "Holy moley, I can speak Japanese!" On Fri, 09 May 2008 02:05:11 GMT, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote: >other than even starting in the first place ;) > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >:) That should work.... SignatureScott in Florida > other than even starting in the first place ;) > > I think it has more to do with my language. The kids next door get a real > vocabulary lesson when I'm working on a car. My old dog used to hide when she saw me carrying a wrench. > I think the problem is, when I'm trying to do something and I say "God > damn it!", he *DOES* and it makes it ten times worse. The new dog (I've had her for a year) was s stray. I'm pretty sure my family changed her name. I suspect it was Damn It -- as in, come here Damn It -- because whenever I mutter, "God damn it," she comes over and climbs in my lap. > other than even starting in the first place ;) > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > :) Jeremiah Wright had the same dilemma. Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with the letter 'x') >> I think the problem is, when I'm trying to do something and I say "God >> damn it!", he *DOES* and it makes it ten times worse. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Jeremiah Wright had the same dilemma. LOL! Hit that one on the head! Your thinking is correct. > other than even starting in the first place ;) > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > :)
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