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changing radiator coolant in 2004 Corolla

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observer - 12 May 2008 16:45 GMT
I guess this may be in the manual but for a 2004 Corolla, when do you
like to change the coolant and if so, do you just drain it or flush
it?  Does it really matter which?   Do you think this car with 3500
miles (low miles) needs to have either done (mostly sat in the garage
or very local driving)?

If you flush it, in the old days we just ran a water hose with the top
of the radiator open and the stem valve open at the bottom while the
engine ran, is this still the same procedure now?
observer - 12 May 2008 16:48 GMT
>I guess this may be in the manual but for a 2004 Corolla, when do you
>like to change the coolant and if so, do you just drain it or flush
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>of the radiator open and the stem valve open at the bottom while the
>engine ran, is this still the same procedure now?

Just to add to this, I talked to an auto parts manager who has a 2008
Corolla and he said normally we just top it off and do neither.
Suggestions?
manny@london.com - 12 May 2008 20:35 GMT
> >If you flush it, in the old days we just ran a water hose with the top
> >of the radiator open and the stem valve open at the bottom while the
> >engine ran, is this still the same procedure now?

Be sure the heater valve is left open.  I leave the engine turned off
and flush through the heater hoses as well as drain the radiator, then
I remove as much remaining water as possible with compressed air
(almost a necessity if you buy 50/50 premixed coolant).

> Just to add to this, I talked to an auto parts manager who has a 2008
> Corolla and he said normally we just top it off and do neither.
> Suggestions?

Yeah, don't listen to auto parts managers for advice.
Ph@Boy - 12 May 2008 21:58 GMT
> I guess this may be in the manual but for a 2004 Corolla, when do you
> like to change the coolant and if so, do you just drain it or flush
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> of the radiator open and the stem valve open at the bottom while the
> engine ran, is this still the same procedure now?

Change it as your owners manual recommends, and / or purchase an
inexpensive coolant tester and see for yourself (test when hot,
unpressurized, don't try opening the radiator cap when hot).

Hot/cold cycles on the coolant is what mostly reduces it's properties
("wears it out").
hachiroku ハチロク - 12 May 2008 22:52 GMT
>> I guess this may be in the manual but for a 2004 Corolla, when do you
>> like to change the coolant and if so, do you just drain it or flush it?
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> Hot/cold cycles on the coolant is what mostly reduces it's properties
> ("wears it out").

I usually drain the coolant out with the engine cold, and then fill with
water. And maybe some radiator flush. Then I run the engine for the
prescribed amount of time and let it cool. I mean COLD. Then I drain
again and remove one of the heater hoses (Of course, all of this is done
with the heater set to HOT). I make an 'adapter' by getting a piece of
heater hose jsut smaller than the car's heater hose, plug it into the
heater hose and turn on the water. Did I say to make sure the engine id
*COLD*? I let that run, drain the system again and then put in the
coolant/water mixture (50/50) and let the engine warm to ambient temp,
and then top off after the thermosts open, keeping an eye on it for about
20 mintues. This seems to work quite well.

A 2004 with 3,500 miles? Coolant should look new. I'd accumulate a few
more miles and bear in mind what Ted Kennedy said..er, Ph@tboy about
short trips where the engine doesn't get to operating temp...

("Ph@tboy...sorry...http://fatboy.cc/)
Tomes - 13 May 2008 00:09 GMT
"hachiroku ...
>  Ph@Boy :
>> observer :
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
> more miles and bear in mind what Ted Kennedy said..er, Ph@tboy about
> short trips where the engine doesn't get to operating temp...

What do you do with the old coolant?
Hachiroku ハチロク - 13 May 2008 00:23 GMT
> "hachiroku ...
>>  Ph@Boy :
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>>
> What do you do with the old coolant?

I leave it in big open pans for the dogs in the neighborhood! They love it
for some reason. ;)
observer - 13 May 2008 07:26 GMT
On Mon, 12 May 2008 21:52:56 GMT, hachiroku +O+A+m+/
<Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote:

>>> I guess this may be in the manual but for a 2004 Corolla, when do you
>>> like to change the coolant and if so, do you just drain it or flush it?
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
>
>("Ph@tboy...sorry...http://fatboy.cc/)

thanks for the help !!
Ph@Boy - 13 May 2008 13:43 GMT
>>> I guess this may be in the manual but for a 2004 Corolla, when do you
>>> like to change the coolant and if so, do you just drain it or flush it?
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>
> ("Ph@tboy...sorry...http://fatboy.cc/)
I liked the link Hachi! Especially the factory Olds ad. The touted
safety features, dual master cylinder, severe impact compressing
steering column. Glad they were thinking of my safety! I've done a lot
of work in the distant past on those cars. The 425ci engine was the
power plant for the original '66 Toronado when it launched.
observer - 13 May 2008 07:25 GMT
>> I guess this may be in the manual but for a 2004 Corolla, when do you
>> like to change the coolant and if so, do you just drain it or flush
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>Hot/cold cycles on the coolant is what mostly reduces it's properties
>("wears it out").

Thanks, I'll do that.
Ray O - 13 May 2008 05:56 GMT
>I guess this may be in the manual but for a 2004 Corolla, when do you
> like to change the coolant and if so, do you just drain it or flush
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> of the radiator open and the stem valve open at the bottom while the
> engine ran, is this still the same procedure now?

I believe that the engine coolant (not "radiator" coolant) is the pink
Toyota Super Long Life coolant, and the maintenance schedule just calls for
checking its quantity and condition until replacement is needed.

Use a coolant tester, available at auto parts stores, to check the freeze
protection, and also look at the coolant to see if it is translucent.  If
the freeze protection rises above -20 F or it starts to look murky, replace
it with Toyota Super Long Life coolant.  Do not mix the coolant with
aftermarket green-yellow coolant because the coolant starts to look murky
right away.

As long as you replace it before it starts to look really rusty, a drain and
refill should be sufficient.
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observer - 13 May 2008 07:25 GMT
>>I guess this may be in the manual but for a 2004 Corolla, when do you
>> like to change the coolant and if so, do you just drain it or flush
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>As long as you replace it before it starts to look really rusty, a drain and
>refill should be sufficient.

Thanks Ray for the advice.   I guess I messed up on the terminology
but at least you knew what I meant.   To be fair tho, I think "some"
did you this terminology in the 60's or 70's but regardless I agree
with you !!    thanks for the advice !!
Ray O - 13 May 2008 07:46 GMT
>>>I guess this may be in the manual but for a 2004 Corolla, when do you
>>> like to change the coolant and if so, do you just drain it or flush
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> did you this terminology in the 60's or 70's but regardless I agree
> with you !!    thanks for the advice !!

You are welcome.

The coolant is referred to as "engine coolant" because the coolant is
cooling the engine.  The radiator is cooled by the air that passes through
it, so "radiator coolant" would be air.

By the way, I believe that the Toyota Super Long Life coolant comes
pre-mixed from the factory so you don't have to worry about using distilled
water or getting the incorrect concentration.
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observer - 13 May 2008 11:43 GMT
>>>>I guess this may be in the manual but for a 2004 Corolla, when do you
>>>> like to change the coolant and if so, do you just drain it or flush
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
>cooling the engine.  The radiator is cooled by the air that passes through
>it, so "radiator coolant" would be air.

You are right of course.  

>By the way, I believe that the Toyota Super Long Life coolant comes
>pre-mixed from the factory so you don't have to worry about using distilled
>water or getting the incorrect concentration.

That's good to know.   Shoot I was just there at the dealership
yesterday (first time in years) to do a safety recall on one of my
Corollas and could have saved a trip.  Oh well, next time.

By the way, in my case I don't need to worry about -20F around here as
it rarely goes below 30F (Texas) in winter so I'd probably want 0
degrees for safety but more likely I'll look at the color.
Appreciate your help again Ray, thank you.
hachiroku - 13 May 2008 21:43 GMT
>>By the way, I believe that the Toyota Super Long Life coolant comes
>>pre-mixed from the factory so you don't have to worry about using
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> degrees for safety but more likely I'll look at the color. Appreciate
> your help again Ray, thank you.

If you haven't bought it yet, try you're local CarQuest dealer. For some
reason they are selling it for about $5 less than Toyota, but it's not
prediluted (which means you're not paying for water!)
observer - 14 May 2008 11:54 GMT
>>>By the way, I believe that the Toyota Super Long Life coolant comes
>>>pre-mixed from the factory so you don't have to worry about using
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>reason they are selling it for about $5 less than Toyota, but it's not
>prediluted (which means you're not paying for water!)

Thank you for the tip... I'll check that out !!
Ray O - 14 May 2008 03:19 GMT
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> By the way, in my case I don't need to worry about -20F around here as
> it rarely goes below 30F (Texas) in winter so I'd probably want 0
> degrees for safety but more likely I'll look at the color.
> Appreciate your help again Ray, thank you.

Ironically, the -20 F protection level also means that you have better
protection against overheating.  A higher freezing temp means that the
coolant is diluted and is more likely to overheat.
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observer - 14 May 2008 11:53 GMT
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>
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>protection against overheating.  A higher freezing temp means that the
>coolant is diluted and is more likely to overheat.

Excellent point.  I completely forgot about that (shame on me).  
Thank you Ray or as the younger generation would say.... you're the
man.

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