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Car Forum / Toyota / Toyota Cars / May 2008Driving a car until it dies...
I didn't think it was appropriate to hijack a thread so I started a new one. I am 26 years old and when I was 16, my dad gave me a 1985 Ford Tempo. I drove that until it died and being 16, a lot of it was stupid stuff I did. Anyway, then a few years later I got a 1991 Ford Tempo. Again, drove it until it started to have shop visits every week costing $400 or more each time. Fast forward to 2005 and I bought a USED 2002 Toyota Corolla CE. Couldn't be happier with the car. Other than minor maintenance, a tensioner pulley replacement, a new cat (thanks to me using gas cleaner all the time), a new oxygen sensor, and brakes -- nothing MAJOR has gone wrong. It consumes no noticeable amount of oil that I am aware of. It gets great gas mileage. Really, not a problem car at all... and I have driven it from Medford, OR to Fresno, CA and back more times than I can count. That's a 7 hour, 500 mile drive ONE WAY. Any way... my question is: Why don't people tend to drive vehicles into the ground? I sure as hell don't want another car payment. I have 2 years on this and I plan on KEEPING the car until the damn thing keels over. Or possibly -- sell it in 2 years for $3-5k or whatever and then hopefully have some money saved and pay cash and finance very little if at all on a newer model Toyota something or other. Just curious why most trade them in as opposed to keeping them until they die. Perhaps it's a cost thing. I would think it's more economical to drive it until it dies and/or starts costing an arm and a leg. So far, 147,000 miles and mine still runs like a champ... knock on wood. TIA, Steve >I didn't think it was appropriate to hijack a thread so I started a > new one. [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Steve Steve, most people don't drive their cars into the ground because they apparently, even if they are in debt or lease, have more MONEY than brains. We bought our 99 camry 6 cyl. brand new in May/99 and plan to keep it at least until 2016 even though we could buy practically any vehicle under 100K. >I didn't think it was appropriate to hijack a thread so I started a > new one. [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Steve 1. A lot of people can afford to buy a new car every 3-4 years. 2. Even though repairing a car is using cheaper than buying a new one, it takes time to get a car repaired. Even going to a dealer for a warranty repair is a hassle for busy people. For many people who make a good living, time is money and it is not worth the trouble. I have a 1998 Camry in excellent condition, but now I am having brake light problems, I am having some regrets about keeping it this long. I have replaced all the bulbs, the fuses, and there still is a problem (apparently in the wiring). I work 50-60 hours a week, make a very good living, and I don't have time to mess with these problems. Considering how hard I work, I want to relax during my time off. >>I didn't think it was appropriate to hijack a thread so I started a >> new one. [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > to mess with these problems. Considering how hard I work, I want to relax > during my time off. Delegate it to your wife. > Delegate it to your wife. I don't have a wife. That is why I can afford to buy a new car any time I want. But I still have my 98 Camry V6 XLE because it is almost perfect condition. Using Mobil 1 synthetic probably helps. The way the market use to work and probablly still does was a teir system. Those who could afford to get a new car every 3 years would. The rest bought used. Also, the longer you drive your car outside of your capability of getting a new one... the trade in value nose dives... many answers could go for this one i guess... vanity, capability of affording a newer model, etc > The way the market use to work and probablly still does was a teir system. > Those who could afford to get a new car every 3 years would. The rest [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > many answers could go for this one i guess... vanity, capability of > affording a newer model, etc Being able to AFFORD something..rather THINKING that you can afford something is one very common reason why so many end up in bankruptcy. Just because I can AFFORD something is a very feeble excuse for BUYING something. I buy, usually, because I NEED something, not because I necessarily simply WANT something. I could afford to buy new EVERY year..but unlike some people here I have both brains AND money, choosing to buy my 99 Camry NEW and to keep it at least 15 or so years. It still looks 98% new, BTW. > Being able to AFFORD something..rather THINKING that you can afford > something is one very common reason why so many end up in bankruptcy. Just [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > to buy my 99 Camry NEW and to keep it at least 15 or so years. It still > looks 98% new, BTW. unfortunately people like to get in debt.... >> Being able to AFFORD something..rather THINKING that you can afford >> something is one very common reason why so many end up in bankruptcy. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > unfortunately people like to get in debt.... Sadly, I just have brains. Someday I will have money so long as I keep working for it. > Just curious why most trade them in as opposed to keeping them until > they die. Because people like new cars. It's boring for some people to drive the same car for 15 years. >> Just curious why most trade them in as opposed to keeping them until >> they die. > > Because people like new cars. It's boring for some people to drive the > same car for 15 years. If you buy boring cars! ;) For the most part I always kept a car as long as it was fiscally reasonable. Problem 'was' I used to buy 'merican cars. And they died young. No longer a problem with my toyota..The longer I own my 01 camry, the more attached to it I've become. I'll be sad when I have to let go of it. I've alot of memories that are tied to this vehicle.. > For the most part I always kept a car as long as it was fiscally > reasonable. Problem 'was' I used to buy 'merican cars. And they died [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I'll be sad when I have to let go of it. I've alot of memories that are > tied to this vehicle.. I have to admit, I kinda liked having a new car every two years or so, unfortunately, it wasn't often out of choice. Usually someone would pull out in front of me at the LAST GD SECOND and leave me no place to go. But, since I had Toyotas, and since the price of gas increases on a regular basis, the most I ever lost was $500!!! So I would take the cash, buy a new Toyota and finance the rest for <$150 a month. It's actually the insurance I mind the most, since if you have a loan, you have to have collision. Of course, with a new car, it's a good idea anyway. >> For the most part I always kept a car as long as it was fiscally >> reasonable. Problem 'was' I used to buy 'merican cars. And they died [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > you have to have collision. Of course, with a new car, it's a good idea > anyway. Indeed, it is a good idea to have collision on many cars. However, we increased our collision deductible to $1,000. That really cut down the premium but still maintained protecton from the kind of expenses that would be it worthwhile to make a claim. > For the most part I always kept a car as long as it was fiscally > reasonable. Problem 'was' I used to buy 'merican cars. And they died [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I'll be sad when I have to let go of it. I've alot of memories that are > tied to this vehicle.. Well put, Charles. BUt then my 99 Camry 6 cyl. only has 120,000 kilometres on it...good for a LOT more years. "Charles Pisano" . > For the most part I always kept a car as long as it was fiscally > reasonable. Problem 'was' I used to buy 'merican cars. And they died [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I'll be sad when I have to let go of it. I've alot of memories that are > tied to this vehicle.. I tend to agree with this. I buy a vehicle because I will want to be driving it forever, as long as that is. When it costs more to fix than car payments would be , then it goes. Tomes 98 Sienna 198K miles 02 Wrangler 91K miles 07 Prius, 20K miles We expect to put a lot more miles on each of these. I guess all comes down to ones financial status. The average new vehicle buyer in the US replaces that vehicle with another new vehicle in three to four years with 45K to 60K on the clock. Those that do not by new in three to four years will replace their vehicle with a new vehicle over the next three years. Onluy arond 2% of new vehicelbuyers keep a daily driver till it dies. Those that keep them till they die must do so becasuse they can not afford another new vehicle. Same is true of used car buyers, they can not afford new vehicle. They will point to the fact vehicles cost less when they are used but that merely proves the point they can not afford new vehicles, since used cars have accumulated mileage and obviously the more mileage the sooner it will need to be repaired and the more it costs to maintain it if one expect it to start and run every time one NEEDS it to start and run. The question has to be how many of those used car buyers will choose to buy used furniture, clothing, or appliances etc. if they car afford to buy new? Ever know a person with an old car who did not buy a new car as the first thing they did when they came into money? ;) >> Just curious why most trade them in as opposed to keeping them until >> they die. > > Because people like new cars. It's boring for some people to drive the > same car for 15 years. > I guess all comes down to ones financial status. The average new vehicle > buyer in the US replaces that vehicle with another new vehicle in three to [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Ever know a person with an old car who did not buy a new car as the first > thing they did when they came into money? ;) You wouldn't happen to sell cars, would you? Something tells me you do or have. ;) In my 82+ years I built and drove race cars, help design new cars for two manufactures, sold just about any brand one can name, as well as maintained thousands of cars and trucks for others. LOL >> I guess all comes down to ones financial status. The average new vehicle >> buyer in the US replaces that vehicle with another new vehicle in three [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > You wouldn't happen to sell cars, would you? Something tells me you > do or have. ;) > Ever know a person with an old car who did not buy a new car as the first > thing they did when they came into money? ;) That minority of big lottery winners who don't eventually go bankrupt. >I guess all comes down to ones financial status. The average new vehicle >buyer in the US replaces that vehicle with another new vehicle in three to [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Ever know a person with an old car who did not buy a new car as the first > thing they did when they came into money? ;) That is all total bullshit, Mike. I drive a 99 Camry 6 cyl., bought new..only 120,000 kilometres on it. I could AFFORD to buy TEN f.cking Camry's but WHY? Is it a BLACK thing to HAVE to have a new vehicle all the time? >>> Just curious why most trade them in as opposed to keeping them until >>> they die. >> >> Because people like new cars. It's boring for some people to drive the >> same car for 15 years. "Sharx35" *snip* >Is it a BLACK thing to HAVE to have a new vehicle all the time? No, it's a keep-up-with-the-Joneses thing. Natalie > "Sharx35" > *snip* [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Natalie Which is common to ALL races, colours and creeds, sadly. Don't you mean the Johnsons? ;) > "Sharx35" > *snip* [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Natalie > Don't you mean the Johnsons? ;) careful Mike, :) > > "Sharx35" > > *snip* [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > > Natalie -- Ya' sorta like wearing lots of gold rings and stuff when we dance with white woman. >>I guess all comes down to ones financial status. The average new vehicle >>buyer in the US replaces that vehicle with another new vehicle in three to [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >>> Because people like new cars. It's boring for some people to drive the >>> same car for 15 years. > I guess all comes down to ones financial status. The average new vehicle > buyer in the US replaces that vehicle with another new vehicle in three to [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Ever know a person with an old car who did not buy a new car as the first > thing they did when they came into money? ;) Yeah, I do. I know several who decided to keep driving old cars until they much older (both the cars and the owners) rather than buy a new car when the old car was just fine. Some people do have enough sense to keep an older car for a long rather than buy new every fews just because they could afford it. These people would rather save for things like their kids' education and retirement. Jeff >>> Just curious why most trade them in as opposed to keeping them until >>> they die. >> Because people like new cars. It's boring for some people to drive the >> same car for 15 years. Thanks for helping to prove my point that people who need to save money for other things do buy new cars because they can not afford to buy new cars. >> I guess all comes down to ones financial status. The average new vehicle >> buyer in the US replaces that vehicle with another new vehicle in three [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Jeff > Thanks for helping to prove my point that people who need to save money for > other things do buy new cars because they can not afford to buy new cars. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >> >> Jeff How do people "buy new cars because they can not afford to buy new cars?" However, the people of whom I speak were able to afford new cars without even taking out a loan. They just were smart enough to realize that it is better to save money than waste it on things (like new cars) that they did not need. Jeff You sound like my wife, she doesn't get it either. My wife is 69 years old and she still collects cents off store coupons. I'm NOT talking about people who must borrow money for five, six or seven years to buy economy cars every ten years or more just to get to work, but the average NEW vehicle buyer, referred to in the original post, in the US that can afford to buy and operate the larger safer vehicles they want and need, even if they must pay for them over three or four years as they have been doing for many years. Those of use that can easily write a check for a new car every two or three years, and there are hundreds of thousands of us in the US, have no NEED to SAVE money. What we need to do is SPEND the money that our money is earning every day or at least give it to others of our choice. If we do not, we will simply turn it over to the feds, at the rate of 52%, in death taxes. I have provided for my five children and the education of my 14 grand and great-grand children. I have endowed several schools and hospitals is several states, as well as endowing a Chair at the University where I earned my engineering degree, to keep my money from going to people or places I do not want it to go, if the government gets it when I die and I have too little of it sheltered. >> Thanks for helping to prove my point that people who need to save money >> for other things do buy new cars because they can not afford to buy new [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > Jeff > You sound like my wife, she doesn't get it either. My wife is 69 years old > and she still collects cents off store coupons. I'm NOT talking about [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > they must pay for them over three or four years as they have been doing for > many years. Actually, I do get it. Just because one has money doesn't mean that one must waste money or that it is a bad idea to save money, even if that means using coupons. > Those of use that can easily write a check for a new car every two or three > years, and there are hundreds of thousands of us in the US, have no NEED to > SAVE money. Rich people can be stupid, too. > What we need to do is SPEND the money that our money is earning > every day or at least give it to others of our choice. If we do not, we > will simply turn it over to the feds, at the rate of 52%, in death taxes. If they had brain-death taxes, you would have turned it over already. > I have provided for my five children and the education of my 14 grand and > great-grand children. I have endowed several schools and hospitals is > several states, as well as endowing a Chair at the University where I earned > my engineering degree, to keep my money from going to people or places I do > not want it to go, if the government gets it when I die and I have too > little of it sheltered. Good. >>> Thanks for helping to prove my point that people who need to save money >>> for other things do buy new cars because they can not afford to buy new [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] >> >> Jeff > > Just curious why most trade them in as opposed to keeping them until > > they die. > > Because people like new cars. It's boring for some people to drive the > same car for 15 years. But even the newest cars are boring on public roads. >> Just curious why most trade them in as opposed to keeping them until >> they die. > > Because people like new cars. It's boring for some people to drive the > same car for 15 years. Maybe. But I do NOT consider it BORING to have NO debts and a net worth of approx. ONE MILLION DOLLARS, thanks to NOT continually buy new ever year or two or three. In article <127736f8-c955-47e8-9425-8a0e149d8bdf@d19g2000prm.googlegroups.com>, > Any way... my question is: > > Why don't people tend to drive vehicles into the ground? Marketing. People feel good thinking that they can afford to buy the newest car. My dad went to lunch yesterday with a guy who buys two new Chevy vehicles per year, one for him and one for his wife. He keeps the cars a year and trades them in for new ones. Every year. Figure those Chevies lose $6K in value the moment they're driven off the lot. This guy is paying $12K/year for the privilege of getting a new car every year. This is his entertainment or something. It makes him feel good. No so, I run two daily drivers, a luxury car and a sporty car. I buy a new vehicle every year to replace the one that is two years old. I replaced my luxury '06 in September of '07 with an '08, at a total cost of $7,500. I have on order a '09 sporty convertible that will be replace my '07 sporty convertible in early June, at a total drive home price of $6,200. I have been doing that for many years as well. Some of the increased cost is reflected in the rise in new car prices of around $1,200 in two years, on average. If one bought a new $30,000 vehicle today it will cost him nearly $40,000 plus interest to replace it in ten years as well as a lot in normal maintenance costs. It will cost him as much, or more, per year over ten years than the $3,000 to $3,500 it is costing me per year to drive new cars. The only expense I have in two years is three oil changes and one inspection. ;) > In article > <127736f8-c955-47e8-9425-8a0e149d8bdf@d19g2000prm.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > lot. This guy is paying $12K/year for the privilege of getting a new > car every year. > I have on order a '09 sporty convertible that will be replace my '07 > sporty convertible in early June, An old fat guy in a sports car and on a second wife -- could you be any more cliche? You're jealous. I'm 6'4" and at 285 Lbs. I'll likely out live my second wife as well LOL >> I have on order a '09 sporty convertible that will be replace my '07 >> sporty convertible in early June, > > An old fat guy in a sports car and on a second wife -- could you be > any more cliche? > I have on order a '09 sporty convertible that will be replace my '07 > sporty convertible in early June, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > You're jealous. I'm 6'4" and at 285 Lbs. You're at least 50 lbs. overweight, fat guy. Don't lie and say it's muscle at rest. >> I have on order a '09 sporty convertible that will be replace my '07 >> sporty convertible in early June, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >You're at least 50 lbs. overweight, fat guy. Don't lie and say it's >muscle at rest. Closer to 80 pounds overweight or 14 inches too short. 204 is upper end of normal for 6'4". Closer to 80 pounds overweight or 14 inches too short. 204 is upper end of normal for 6'4". -------------- Nah.. I'm a life and health insurance broker and he's almost preferred on some companys tables. 260 is about the top end for preferred at his height. So, given his age ...I'd say live it up...but I don't think we need to tell him that ...he does...LOL Like I said your're jealous. ;) >> I have on order a '09 sporty convertible that will be replace my '07 >> sporty convertible in early June, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > You're at least 50 lbs. overweight, fat guy. Don't lie and say it's > muscle at rest. > I have on order a '09 sporty convertible that will be replace my '07 > sporty convertible in early June, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > You're at least 50 lbs. overweight, fat guy. Don't lie and say it's > > muscle at rest. > Like I said your're jealous. ;) Like you've said, over and over here, you're senile and drunk. Like you, this character also thinks everybody is jealous of her: http://youtube.com/watch?v=sKZpIH90CXI > If one bought a new $30,000 vehicle today it will cost him nearly $40,000 > plus interest to replace it in ten years Ummmmm..."plus interest"? Where the f.ck do you come up with THAT one? Oh, I see--in YOUR world, absolutely NO ONE bothers to SAVE money for something he wants or is going to need. How's that mortgage coming, Mike? I write check to pay for my cars, however few buyers have that option. As too mortgages, I own both of my homes in Pennsylvania as well as the one on the Outer Banks and in Key West ;) >> If one bought a new $30,000 vehicle today it will cost him nearly $40,000 >> plus interest to replace it in ten years [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > How's that mortgage coming, Mike? > In article > <127736f8-c955-47e8-9425-8a0e149d8bdf@d19g2000prm.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > This is his entertainment or something. It makes him feel good. What shitty values and a sad, superficial life he appears to have. They have more dollars then sense. >I didn't think it was appropriate to hijack a thread so I started a >new one. [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > >Steve : ... Most people do what they do, but I agree with you, we should not tie up our self-image in new cars. They are utility items, expensive ones at that. So buy a good one, take care of it, and get the most out of it. > Most people do what they do, but I agree with you, we should not tie up > our self-image in new cars. > > They are utility items, expensive ones at that. So buy a good one, take > care of it, and get the most out of it. Women judge men by the car they drive. Not only the type but how old it is. That is a simple fact of life. >> Most people do what they do, but I agree with you, we should not tie up >> our self-image in new cars. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Women judge men by the car they drive. Not only the type but how old it > is. That is a simple fact of life. Where were all those women when I got a new car every 3 months?  SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) > Where were all those women when I got a new car every 3 months? You were too busy accumulating merit badges. >> Where were all those women when I got a new car every 3 months? > > You were too busy accumulating merit badges. Nope, I was already too old to earn merit badges by that time. SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) I'm 82 but since I started driving Mustang GT convertibles I have been picking up some really young stuff all the time. You should have seen the white babe I picked up the other day, she could not have been a day over 55 ;) >>> Most people do what they do, but I agree with you, we should not tie up >>> our self-image in new cars. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Where were all those women when I got a new car every 3 months? >I didn't think it was appropriate to hijack a thread so I started a > new one. [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Steve Well, Steve, you should consider that you don't mind driving an older car, and the guy in the next lane would rather drive a newer car. Some people look at a car as mere transportation, others look at it as a status symbol or even a fashion statement. Look at it this way too ... If you bought a new car and were faced with a payment of $400 (or whatever) for 72 months (or whatever). OR, you got hooked up with a lease with the same payment. In the lease, you make the same payment for 72 months, but get a different car after 24 or 36 months. For the same monthy expense, you get a two or three different cars over the same term. At the end, you have nothing to show for the money you spent, but because you had new cars through the term, odds are that you had no maintenance costs either. Some people are attracted to this sort of thing, you apparently are not. For the record, I have a '94 BMW, a '97 Ford, a '93 Mazda, an '81 Jeep, and my daughter drives an '00 BMW. So, as a practical matter, I am more like you that the person that wants to drive new cars all of the time. >>I didn't think it was appropriate to hijack a thread so I started a >> new one. [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > and my daughter drives an '00 BMW. So, as a practical matter, I am more > like you that the person that wants to drive new cars all of the time. Jeff, are ALL those vehicles registered AND insured? Is your insurance company aware of all the drivers who use each vehicle? If so, you must have one humongoue insurance premium!! > I didn't think it was appropriate to hijack a thread so I started a new > one. [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Steve I drove my GTS into the ground; one of these days I'll get the ambition (and the money) to do the body work and drive it into the ground again. I think it has to do more with boredom, among other factors. One factor is, how much money do I want to put into a car? I got a Celica from a guy for $250, it was an '85 and I bought it in 2003. I drove it for 2 years, and then the amount of repairs would have exceeded the value of the car. Too bad, because I had just put a motor from a '91 truck into it and it ran great. It was 50/50. Of course, by this time I had the Supra, a more valuable car in much better shape mechanically, so the effort went to that. That car I will probably keep 'refurbishing', since it is in good shape and the value keeps increasing, thanks to kids buying them up on eBay as soon as they come up... As far as boredom, the Corolla GTS was a car I really wanted, and it ran great, looked good and didn't cost much for over 20 years. It was everything I wanted in a car, and still is. The Tercel I had was a good car and got great mileage, but I sold it to get the Supra. If the Supra hadn't come up I would probably still be driving it, it was a great car, but not quite what I wanted. Now the Scion...except for the seating position, it's every bit the car the GTS was/is, and perhaps moreso. It's comfortable, I just don't 'love' the seating position; it certainly is /fast/ and I like the looks. I think this car will be around for a long time. But it also came with a payment, which I don't really want. If a 'deal' comes up (say, a 2002-3 Camry with ~50,000 for <$6,000, and it does happen) then the Scion may be gone just to get rid of the payment. A Celica would be even better... I've run my last 4 cars "into the ground", basically, but, since I keep my cars in such good shape I get top dollar when I do trade them in. >I didn't think it was appropriate to hijack a thread so I started a > new one. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Why don't people tend to drive vehicles into the ground? After several years, the cars here (NE - upstate NY) tend to rust, due to the winter road conditions - salt, etc. The engine could be *great*, but the body's eventually another story. So... I keep my cars an avg. of 6 years - it's in very good condition at that point, but if I kept it longer, would have to start to pay big-time for upkeep of the car's body. IOW, I tend to get rid of my cars while there's still enough value to count towards a good portion of a down payment on the next car & wghile it's still inexpensive to maintain, before it *really* starts to depreciate - on an even steeper downhill slide. That allows me to drive each car loan-free for at least 2 years. Not ideal, but semi-reasonable; gives some breather space bwtween loans. Cathy I sure as > hell don't want another car payment. I have 2 years on this and I > plan on KEEPING the car until the damn thing keels over. Or possibly [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Steve >>I didn't think it was appropriate to hijack a thread so I started a >> new one. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Cathy And I thought the only reason I live in Calif. is that I like my wardrobe choice to be, t-shirt, t-shirt and sweatshirt, or t-shirt and jacket. The occasional t-shirt, sweatshirt, and jacket when the sun does not shine is another option. Of course, the options for my feet are sandals (flip flops mostly) or shoes, or shoes with socks, runs the limit there. A whole new reason is that I can drive old cars that have the distinction of _being_ old cars. >>>I didn't think it was appropriate to hijack a thread so I started a >>> new one. [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > another option. Of course, the options for my feet are sandals (flip flops > mostly) or shoes, or shoes with socks, runs the limit there. Whereas, unless a person's lucky enough to have a huge walk-in closet where everything can be kept, we have to switch all of our clothing over 2x/year - spring (after it starts to warm up) & fall - after shorts & sandals aren o longer an option. A good time to weed out stuff, though. > A whole new reason is that I can drive old cars that have the distinction > of _being_ old cars. True of anywhere in the south, I assume. Also noticed it in the UK. No rust on the cars, not even the old ones. Cathy >And I thought the only reason I live in Calif. is that I like my wardrobe >choice to be, t-shirt, t-shirt and sweatshirt, or t-shirt and jacket. nekkid from the waist down? SignatureScott in Florida >>And I thought the only reason I live in Calif. is that I like my wardrobe >>choice to be, t-shirt, t-shirt and sweatshirt, or t-shirt and jacket. > > nekkid from the waist down? Well, no. I've been known to wear shorts with my t-shirt, sweatshirt, and jacket. I wear that get up with flip flops too. >>>And I thought the only reason I live in Calif. is that I like my wardrobe >>>choice to be, t-shirt, t-shirt and sweatshirt, or t-shirt and jacket. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Well, no. I've been known to wear shorts with my t-shirt, sweatshirt, and >jacket. I wear that get up with flip flops too. LOL...I figured... SignatureScott in Florida >>I didn't think it was appropriate to hijack a thread so I started a >> new one. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Cathy Not buying new cars every few years but buying new and driving car into ground is yet another reason why I was able to retire from FULL time work at the AGE OF 42. But, hell, if you wanna work until Hell freezes over, so you can continually buy new cars, more power to you...you keep the economy going, I guess. > I sure as >> hell don't want another car payment. I have 2 years on this and I [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> >> Steve > Why don't people tend to drive vehicles into the ground? I sure as > hell don't want another car payment. I have 2 years on this and I > plan on KEEPING the car until the damn thing keels over. Or possibly > -- sell it in 2 years for $3-5k or whatever and then hopefully have > some money saved and pay cash and finance very little if at all on a > newer model Toyota something or other. I think most people buy a new car every 2-6 years mostly for fashion or status reasons. I don't see any reason to change cars unless the old one gets into a big wreck, has an expensive breakdown, or if the new models are significantly better. Maybe that's why my wife and I are only in our early 30s but, despite our modest income, don't really have to work any more. >> Why don't people tend to drive vehicles into the ground? I sure as >> hell don't want another car payment. I have 2 years on this and I [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > are only in our early 30s but, despite our modest income, don't really > have to work any more. L M and C....you hit the nail on the head!! |
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