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Stephanie - 21 May 2008 17:23 GMT I thought I'd buy an older car for cheap transportation. It turns out I bought the model that is #3 on the U.S. Most Stolen Car list ('89 Toyota Camry).
Short of installing LoJack, what do you recommend?
Is a regular audible alarm with ignition- or starter-disabler effective?
Suggestions welcome.
Thanks, Stef
mrdarrett@gmail.com - 21 May 2008 17:26 GMT > I thought I'd buy an older car for cheap transportation. It turns out I > bought the model that is #3 on the U.S. Most Stolen Car list ('89 Toyota [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Thanks, > Stef The Club should be just fine.
Michael
badgolferman - 21 May 2008 17:35 GMT > > I thought I'd buy an older car for cheap transportation. It turns > > out I bought the model that is #3 on the U.S. Most Stolen Car list [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Michael Yes, especially since it is visible and the thief will just move on to the next vehicle that looks easier. However if they seriously want that car there isn't much short of a vicious dog that will dissuade them.
Reasoned Insanity - 21 May 2008 23:59 GMT >> I thought I'd buy an older car for cheap transportation. It turns out I >> bought the model that is #3 on the U.S. Most Stolen Car list ('89 Toyota [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Michael If I wanted to steal a car with the club, I would just cut through the steering wheel and take the club off. Pretty easy and I've never even been a car thief.
hachiroku ハチロク - 22 May 2008 00:47 GMT >> The Club should be just fine. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > steering wheel and take the club off. Pretty easy and I've never even > been a car thief. That would take to long. Look at the lock on the Club. Easily defeated. I had something called The Big Stick with a cylindrical lock.
Ray O - 22 May 2008 04:28 GMT >> I thought I'd buy an older car for cheap transportation. It turns out I >> bought the model that is #3 on the U.S. Most Stolen Car list ('89 Toyota [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Michael The Club takes less than a minute to defeat. One of the guys in our office used to use one, even though everyone in the office told him that it was a waste of time and money. His Celica GTS was stolen from a mall parking lot, and when it was recovered about a week later, the thieves had stripped the car of the engine, transmission, radiator, wheels, tires, interior including carpet and Recaro-type seats, equalizer audio system, hood, fenders, rear hatch, both doors, etc. - but they put the Club back on the steering wheel.
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hachiroku - 21 May 2008 17:36 GMT > I thought I'd buy an older car for cheap transportation. It turns out I > bought the model that is #3 on the U.S. Most Stolen Car list ('89 Toyota [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Thanks, > Stef If they want the car, they're going to get it. Even in your own driveway. Now that you have a healthy dose of paranoia, here's some help:
I have an '85 Corolla GT-S. People love to steal them. After it was stolen the first time, I installed an audible alarm, a club and an ignition kill switch. As an added bonus, the alarm I installed has a pager that works up to 1/3 mile, so if the alarm goes off, I get a beep on a pager.
I also installed and aircraft type cable that serves to lock the hood in place. It's a PITA, but they can't pry the hood open and disconnect the battery or take any parts.
I also installed small roller switches in the door, so if they walk past and lift the door handle to see if the door is unlocked, it also sets the alarm off.
I also installed an ultrasonic/pressure alarm that senses glass breakage. If the pressure in the car changes due to glass breaking, it sets the alarm off.
Paranoid? Yeah...they got the car once, and even after the main alarm was installed they got in and stole my new radio. But they couldn't get the car thanks to the club and the ignition kill.
Worst case scenario: they come with a flatbed and haul your car away!
Hope that cheers you up a bit! ;)
Stephanie - 21 May 2008 19:17 GMT > I have an '85 Corolla GT-S. People love to steal them. After it was stolen > the first time, I installed an audible alarm, a club and an ignition kill > switch. As an added bonus, the alarm I installed has a pager that works up > to 1/3 mile, so if the alarm goes off, I get a beep on a pager. How often do you get waken up at night? :-)
> I also installed and aircraft type cable that serves to lock the hood in > place. It's a PITA, but they can't pry the hood open and disconnect the > battery or take any parts. Did this cable replace the original one? Or is this one in addition to the original cable?
> I also installed small roller switches in the door, so if they walk past > and lift the door handle to see if the door is unlocked, it also sets the > alarm off. How often do you get waken up at night?
> I also installed an ultrasonic/pressure alarm that senses glass breakage. > If the pressure in the car changes due to glass breaking, it sets the > alarm off. Do passing "boom boxes" get you paged?
Thanks, Stef
hachiroku ハチロク - 22 May 2008 00:59 GMT >> I have an '85 Corolla GT-S. People love to steal them. After it was >> stolen the first time, I installed an audible alarm, a club and an [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Did this cable replace the original one? Or is this one in addition to > the original cable? I looped it through the 'bail' that clicks into the hood catch, and then ran it to the tie down hook behind the bumper, and lock it with a big Master lock. So it is an extra cable.
Here's an intersting page:
http://www.procarcare.com/icarumba/resourcecenter/encyclopedia/ icar_resourcecenter_encyclopedia_anti-theft1.asp
Unfortunately, I had the wheel locks removed from the car about 12 days before they stole it, so they got the factory alloys, too. If you have alloys, get wheel locks. DON'T LOSE THE 'KEY'!!!
>> I also installed small roller switches in the door, so if they walk >> past and lift the door handle to see if the door is unlocked, it also >> sets the alarm off. > > How often do you get waken up at night? I was an electronics tech for 20 years, and install all my alarms myself. I adjusted the sensitivity of the shock sensor so wind and cats jumping on the car doesn't set it off.
On the rest of them, there isn't any shock sensor. I live in a very 'safe' neighborhood; so safe I didn't lock the driver's door on my '89 Mazda...until someone stole the XM receiver last year...
> >> I also installed an ultrasonic/pressure alarm that senses glass >> breakage. If the pressure in the car changes due to glass breaking, it >> sets the alarm off. > > Do passing "boom boxes" get you paged? No. This has to be a change in pressure inside the cabin, so wind, etc doesn't set it off.
> Thanks, > Stef larry moe 'n curly - 21 May 2008 18:20 GMT > Short of installing LoJack, what do you recommend? > > Is a regular audible alarm with ignition- or starter-disabler effective? A person who sells lots of vehicles from his home said he uses steering wheel locks.
In Nogales, AZ, which is next to Nogales, Sonora, Mexico, fleet owners use ignition or starter disablers. A starter disabler is the safer of the two because if something goes wrong with an ignition disabler while you're driving, the car can stall.
In the mean time, consider pulling the starter circuit fuse when you park.
Ph@Boy - 21 May 2008 18:25 GMT > I thought I'd buy an older car for cheap transportation. It turns out I > bought the model that is #3 on the U.S. Most Stolen Car list ('89 Toyota [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Thanks, > Stef Others have mentioned the "Club" theft deterrent. This device is really easy for most thieves to get around. It takes about five seconds. They clip or saw the steering wheel rim in one spot with bolt cutters or a battery saw, spread the steering rim, and slide the "Club" off. Really fast for them, and that is exactly what they like; speed. I've seen this done to cars many times over.
Remember that this is a twenty year old car and even the parts to a chop shop look not too attractive.
I would suggest a simple under hood battery cable disconnect (some I've seen are keyed). Cheap, effective, and most important, takes the intruder time to get around.
I know that there are many more methods to disable a car, but you just need a cheap and simple (easy for you to activate and deactivate) solution that takes thieves time to figure it out and saves you aggravation.
Good Luck!
Stephanie - 21 May 2008 19:12 GMT > Remember that this is a twenty year old car and even the parts to a chop > shop look not too attractive. That's what I thought, but in 2006 it was the third-most stolen car in America. It may have declined a few steps on this year's list, but that's still a lot of risk to think about.
Stef
hachiroku ハチロク - 22 May 2008 01:10 GMT >> Remember that this is a twenty year old car and even the parts to a >> chop shop look not too attractive. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Stef Parts are getting scarce, and with scrap at an all time high, people are scraping them rather than stripping parts, so the ones on the street are targets.
Retired VIP - 21 May 2008 21:06 GMT >I thought I'd buy an older car for cheap transportation. It turns out I >bought the model that is #3 on the U.S. Most Stolen Car list ('89 Toyota [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Thanks, >Stef This is a 20 year old car! Are you sure you want to spend a bunch of money just to slow down a car thief? If you are that concerned or if you live in a neighborhood where a 20 year old car is desirable, buy full coverage insurance on the car and be done with it. If the car is stolen, replace it with one that isn't such a car thief magnet.
ransley - 21 May 2008 21:09 GMT > I thought I'd buy an older car for cheap transportation. It turns out I > bought the model that is #3 on the U.S. Most Stolen Car list ('89 Toyota [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Thanks, > Stef It was heavily stolen , many years ago, now they are all rusted out and have 300000000 miles on them, whats it worth, 800, its not a real target anymore, think, its about 20 years old and needs everything.
Stephanie - 21 May 2008 22:11 GMT > It was heavily stolen , many years ago, now they are all rusted out > and have 300000000 miles on them, whats it worth, 800, its not a real > target anymore, think, its about 20 years old and needs everything. 2006... #3 most stolen car...
hachiroku - 22 May 2008 20:40 GMT >> It was heavily stolen , many years ago, now they are all rusted out >> and have 300000000 miles on them, whats it worth, 800, its not a real >> target anymore, think, its about 20 years old and needs everything. > > 2006... #3 most stolen car... That's the most recent year stats are available. I looked...
Ray O - 22 May 2008 04:32 GMT >I thought I'd buy an older car for cheap transportation. It turns out I > bought the model that is #3 on the U.S. Most Stolen Car list ('89 Toyota [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Thanks, > Stef Put dents in the hood, doors, bumpers, and trunk lid - it won't be so attractive to thieves for parts.
Audible alarms are generally not very effective, especially in urban areas where blaring alarms are commonplace.
A starter disabler can be effective, but they also tend to cause no-start conditions. The best bet is to park the car in well lit areas.
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ransley - 22 May 2008 18:20 GMT On May 21, 10:32 pm, "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:
> >I thought I'd buy an older car for cheap transportation. It turns out I > > bought the model that is #3 on the U.S. Most Stolen Car list ('89 Toyota [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Ray O > (correct punctuation to reply) There you go, take a hammer and some spray paint, then thieves will be to embarrased to drive it, or paint it pink and flouescent green with some big nascar numbers. But who is going to bother a 20yr old car anyway. Forget the club, cutting a wheel takes 30 seconds, a better one locks the break pedal to the center hub. Better yet get a real Bear trap.
Esther & Fester Bestertester - 22 May 2008 18:33 GMT > But who is going to bother a 20yr old car anyway. From the original post:
>>> It turns out I >>> bought the model that is #3 on the U.S. Most Stolen Car list ('89 Toyota >>> Camry). It's not stolen to change the plates and drive around. It's stolen because there's so many Camrys still on the road that need parts (body parts, engines, trans, etc.). The steal them and strip them. LOTS of them.
> Forget the club, cutting a wheel takes 30 seconds, a better > one locks the break pedal to the center hub. What's "the center hub"?
FBt
hachiroku - 22 May 2008 20:39 GMT >> Forget the club, cutting a wheel takes 30 seconds, a better >> one locks the break pedal to the center hub. > > What's "the center hub"? Sterring wheel hub
ransley - 23 May 2008 19:20 GMT > I thought I'd buy an older car for cheap transportation. It turns out I > bought the model that is #3 on the U.S. Most Stolen Car list ('89 Toyota [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Thanks, > Stef I have the same model and I just thought they were to old to steal here they are all rusted from salt, maybe im wrong, a lock is made that goes over the brake pedal and over the center hub of your steering wheel which is better than the club, Im sure there is a low amp wire you could tap to put in a hidden switch, there is a device that goes over the ignition key and locks around the steering collumn, that might be good.
mrdarrett@gmail.com - 23 May 2008 22:00 GMT > I thought I'd buy an older car for cheap transportation. It turns out I > bought the model that is #3 on the U.S. Most Stolen Car list ('89 Toyota [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Thanks, > Stef Can you park it in your home garage?
Or is this for when you park it at work, going shopping, ???
Michael
Mike hunt - 23 May 2008 23:40 GMT Most likely it is a way to collect from one insurance company, since the sludged up engines in the 89 are no longer covered by the extended warranty ;)
> I thought I'd buy an older car for cheap transportation. It turns out I > bought the model that is #3 on the U.S. Most Stolen Car list ('89 Toyota > Camry). mrdarrett@gmail.com - 23 May 2008 23:56 GMT The '89 had sludge issues?!!
Michael
> Most likely it is a way to collect from one insurance company, since the > sludged up engines in the 89 are no longer covered by the extended warranty [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > bought the model that is #3 on the U.S. Most Stolen Car list ('89 Toyota > > Camry). Hachiroku ハチロク - 24 May 2008 05:46 GMT On Fri, 23 May 2008 15:56:53 -0700, mrdarrett wrote:
> The '89 had sludge issues?!! No.
> Michael > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> > buy an older car for cheap transportation. It turns out I bought the >> > model that is #3 on the U.S. Most Stolen Car list ('89 Toyota Camry). Mike hunt - 24 May 2008 19:58 GMT You are correct Toyota never refers to their problem as a sludge problem. In 2003 Toyota extended the warranty for engines "Exhibiting Gelling" as they called it, on several '98 to '03 modes to eight years, unlimited mileage WOF.
The extend warranty authorizes dealerships to "clean, repair and replace engine so effected." The change in the head, to basically the one used prior to 98 and the switch to synthetic oil has apparently alleviated the problem for owners of '03 and up and put it off for those with a '98 to '03 that only got a cleaning
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> On Fri, 23 May 2008 15:56:53 -0700, mrdarrett wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >> Michael mack - 26 May 2008 20:03 GMT best idea to keep from getting your car stolen.....
Park it in a better neighborhood.
Charles Pisano - 24 May 2008 00:00 GMT For some odd reason this thread reminds me of the service station owner who attaches his restroom key to a cinder block.... CP
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