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(OT:) Verizon pulled the plug today...

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Hachiroku ハチロク - 25 Jun 2008 00:12 GMT
If all you people posting kid porn here had stopped when asked, this
wouldn't have happened! Geeze!

Boy talk about throwing the baby out with the bath water...
Moe - 25 Jun 2008 12:56 GMT
> If all you people posting kid porn here had stopped when asked, this
> wouldn't have happened! Geeze!
>
> Boy talk about throwing the baby out with the bath water...

 It was a company decision to save money.  The bottom line for each
quarter is what counts.
 Yesterday after on hold for 20 minutes waiting for a real person I
canceled my mother's subscription to the Sunday news.  I had called to
get it straightened out but after 15 minutes on hold we had decided to
chancel it.   My point is how much advertising companies spend to get a
customer then how often they seem to go out of their way to piss the
customer off with poor customer service.  I've got better things to do
than sit around with a phone in my ear, and mom is past 80 and can't
even hold the phone that long.  She also got a letter from a bank about
some stock she had and it must have been in font 8 size.   I could
barely read it and she certainly couldn't.
 And DOW chemical raised prices 25% yesterday, and steel and iron were
raised 90% by some companies.   Get ready for more inflation coming down
the pike.
mack - 25 Jun 2008 21:17 GMT
> Hachiroku ???? wrote:
>> If all you people posting kid porn here had stopped when asked, this
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> raised 90% by some companies.   Get ready for more inflation coming down
> the pike.

And this was apparently after a 20% increase in prices only seven weeks ago.
Three guesses what most of their products are made from.   Black gooey
stuff.
If the price of oil keeps skyrocketing, look for failures in a lot of
businesses that depend on it, like airlines.  Oddly, Southwest is NOT
charging for checked bags, probably because they wisely bought options on
petroleum long ago, and pay a lower price for it evidently.
dbu - 25 Jun 2008 21:21 GMT
> Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
> > If all you people posting kid porn here had stopped when asked, this
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> raised 90% by some companies.   Get ready for more inflation coming down
> the pike.

Have you tried to open some of these food packages?  Every package
except coffee, needs a tool to open.  Some even after opening the outer
package needs extra ordinary dexterity and I can't imagine how someone
with arthritis could hope to open some of these packages.  I have called
the toll free number on some of them and asked if they actually used the
stuff themselves.
--
SMS - 25 Jun 2008 21:29 GMT
>> If all you people posting kid porn here had stopped when asked, this
>> wouldn't have happened! Geeze!
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>  Yesterday after on hold for 20 minutes waiting for a real person I
> canceled my mother's subscription to the Sunday news.

I called our local paper (San Jose) last week to put my delivery on a
vacation hold. The recording kept saying "due to an emergency, we are
unable to answer your call." For the life of me, I couldn't figure out
what the emergency was, but this went on for two days. Finally I called
a different number at the paper, not the 800 number and found out what
the emergency was. It was the flooding in Iowa. Subscription services
for the San Jose Mercury News are handled in Iowa.
Mike hunt - 25 Jun 2008 23:01 GMT
Aren't you lucky you got to talk to somebody in India?    LOL

"SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
> I called our local paper (San Jose) last week to put my delivery on a
> vacation hold. The recording kept saying "due to an emergency, we are
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> emergency was. It was the flooding in Iowa. Subscription services for the
> San Jose Mercury News are handled in Iowa.
Scott  in  Florida - 26 Jun 2008 13:28 GMT
>> Hachiroku ???? wrote:
>>> If all you people posting kid porn here had stopped when asked, this
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>the emergency was. It was the flooding in Iowa. Subscription services
>for the San Jose Mercury News are handled in Iowa.

Don't you have enough illegals in California to handle it there?

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SMS - 26 Jun 2008 13:35 GMT
Scott in Florida wrote:

>>> Hachiroku ???? wrote:
>>>> If all you people posting kid porn here had stopped when asked, this
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Don't you have enough illegals in California to handle it there?

It's a totally automated system, so no one needs to be hired to handle it.
Hachiroku ハチロク - 27 Jun 2008 18:45 GMT
>> Don't you have enough illegals in California to handle it there?
>
> It's a totally automated system, so no one needs to be hired to handle it.

They would gladly do the jobs only machines are willing to do!
Hachiroku ハチロク - 27 Jun 2008 18:39 GMT
> I called our local paper (San Jose)

This explains a *LOT*!
jor - 25 Jun 2008 14:51 GMT
> If all you people posting kid porn here had stopped when asked, this
> wouldn't have happened! Geeze!
>
> Boy talk about throwing the baby out with the bath water...

I think it is remarkable that any ISP still provides Usenet access. I
have been lurking and commenting on discussion groups since the 2400
baud modem days but I don't know a soul that has even heard of Usenet.
To most people, the www is synonymous with the Internet. I'm just
thankful that Usenet is still around!
jor
Tomes - 25 Jun 2008 19:50 GMT
"jor" ...
>  Hachiroku :
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Usenet is still around!
> jor

I agree with you jor.  I tell folks that I find stuff out and try to help
other folks out on Usenet and they have no idea what I am talking about.
Tomes - from the BBS days
Hachiroku ハチロク - 27 Jun 2008 18:39 GMT
>> I think it is remarkable that any ISP still provides Usenet access. I have
>> been lurking and commenting on discussion groups since the 2400 baud modem
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> other folks out on Usenet and they have no idea what I am talking about.
> Tomes - from the BBS days

I was using the BBS' from home and Usenet from work back in the late 80's.

I still find Usenet moew useful than the WWW a lot of the time. That's why
I'm so miffed Verizon caved.
Scott  in  Florida - 28 Jun 2008 00:48 GMT
On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:56:39 -0400, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno@e86.GTS>
wrote:

>>> I think it is remarkable that any ISP still provides Usenet access. I have
>>> been lurking and commenting on discussion groups since the 2400 baud modem
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>I still find Usenet moew useful than the WWW a lot of the time. That's why
>I'm so miffed Verizon caved.

I was using an acoustical modem integrated into a keyboard, Honda
generator for power and a telephone booth in the middle of nowhere in
Arizona to communicate with the VAX back at the company in Florida .

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Hachiroku ハチロク - 28 Jun 2008 05:03 GMT
On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:48:00 -0400, Scott in Florida wrote:

> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:56:39 -0400, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno@e86.GTS>
> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> generator for power and a telephone booth in the middle of nowhere in
> Arizona to communicate with the VAX back at the company in Florida .

LOL! I was using the VAX at work to get on Usenet...

FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN:
   I was happier then and I had nothin'. We used to
live in this tiny old house with great big holes in the roof.

SECOND YORKSHIREMAN:
   House! You were lucky to live in a house! We used to live
in one room, all twenty-six of us, no furniture, 'alf the floor was
missing, and we were all 'uddled together in one corner for fear of
falling.

THIRD YORKSHIREMAN:
   Eh, you were lucky to have a room! We used to have to live in t'
   corridor!

FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
   Oh, we used to dream of livin' in a corridor! Would ha' been a palace
   to us. We used to live in an old water tank on a rubbish tip. We got
   woke up every morning by having a load of rotting fish dumped all over
   us! House? Huh.

FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN:
   Well, when I say 'house' it was only a hole in the ground covered by a
   sheet of tarpaulin, but it was a house to us.

SECOND YORKSHIREMAN:
   We were evicted from our 'ole in the ground; we 'ad to go and live in
   a lake.

THIRD YORKSHIREMAN:
   You were lucky to have a lake! There were a hundred and fifty of us
   living in t' shoebox in t' middle o' road.

FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
   Cardboard box?

THIRD YORKSHIREMAN:
   Aye.

FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
   You were lucky. We lived for three months in a paper bag in a septic
   tank. We used to have to get up at six in the morning, clean the paper
   bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down t' mill, fourteen
   hours a day, week-in week-out, for sixpence a week, and when we got
   home our Dad would thrash us to sleep wi' his belt.

SECOND YORKSHIREMAN:
   Luxury. We used to have to get out of the lake at six o'clock in the
   morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of 'ot gravel, work twenty hour
   day at mill for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would thrash us
   to sleep with a broken bottle, if we were lucky!

THIRD YORKSHIREMAN:
   Well, of course, we had it tough. We used to 'ave to get up out of
   shoebox at twelve o'clock at night and lick road clean wit' tongue. We
   had two bits of cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at mill
   for sixpence every four years, and when we got home our Dad would
   slice us in two wit' bread knife.

FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN:
   Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night half an
   hour before I went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work
   twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission
   to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad and our mother would
   kill us and dance about on our graves singing Hallelujah.

FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
   And you try and tell the young people of today that ..... they won't
   believe you.

ALL:
   They won't!
CharlesTheCurmudgeon - 28 Jun 2008 06:47 GMT
VAX?  the machine DEC came out with after the PDP-11?  We had a VAX 11-750
in college.  Had two 468 MB drives, big as washtubs.   14 inch platters.
And the head of the department had a PDP-8 in storage.

Now I've got an obsolete laptop running Win98 and it has 256 times the ram,
100 times the speed and 3 times the hard drive.

And a company machine with 4000 times the ram, 3000 times the speed and 220
times bigger hard drive, but then it's all for nought because I'm running
VISTA, the Windows ME of the new millenium.

Charles the Curmudgeon
Vash the Stampede - 28 Jun 2008 11:55 GMT
> VAX?  the machine DEC came out with after the PDP-11?  We had a VAX 11-750
> in college.  Had two 468 MB drives, big as washtubs.   14 inch platters.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Charles the Curmudgeon

I started my computing carreer on a PDP 11/03, and then moved to VAXs in
the 80's.
Also worked with IBM 360s and 370s, but they weren't as 'user friendly'
(read: *hackable*) as the Digital stuff!  ;)

I set my Process Name on the VAX to HAX VAX, since they knoew better than
to give me an account. Didn't matter...

One day the Foreman came up to me and said, "If we *give* you an account,
will you stop breaking into the machine?"   ;)
CharlesTheCurmudgeon - 28 Jun 2008 22:53 GMT
>> VAX?  the machine DEC came out with after the PDP-11?  We had a VAX
>> 11-750
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> One day the Foreman came up to me and said, "If we *give* you an account,
> will you stop breaking into the machine?"   ;)

Hmmm, maybe I ought to learn how to hack into my old school.

Some of the Computer Org people wrote a program that emulated the VAX sign
on screen and stole passwords.  We also had a Fibonacci sequence program
that would bring it to its knees.  But then so would SPSS(x)

Charles the Curmudgeon
Hachiroku ハチロク - 29 Jun 2008 19:48 GMT
>>> VAX?  the machine DEC came out with after the PDP-11?  We had a VAX
>>> 11-750
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
>
> Charles the Curmudgeon

We had two campuses 5 miles apart. The remote campus used telephones with
those modem/cradle things!!!
http://www.trs-80.com/images/hw-model1-telint1x350.png

I made a paper tape of the login scripts (we had Teletypes!) and would log
in and "open terminal XXX as input"

Someone would sit down, tyoe in 'hello', which would echo on my teletype,
I would run the tape and the fun would begin...
Scott  in  Florida - 28 Jun 2008 12:14 GMT
>VAX?  the machine DEC came out with after the PDP-11?  We had a VAX 11-750
>in college.  Had two 468 MB drives, big as washtubs.   14 inch platters.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>Charles the Curmudgeon

I have resisted Vista like the plague....

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Vash the Stampede - 28 Jun 2008 11:57 GMT
On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:14:35 -0400, Scott in Florida wrote:

>>And a company machine with 4000 times the ram, 3000 times the speed and 220
>>times bigger hard drive, but then it's all for nought because I'm running
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> I have resisted Vista like the plague....

I have a 'pre-release' copy I got on the Beta test program.

My last message to M$: I never thought I'd be running a 286 again...
CharlesTheCurmudgeon - 28 Jun 2008 13:03 GMT
>>VAX?  the machine DEC came out with after the PDP-11?  We had a VAX 11-750
>>in college.  Had two 468 MB drives, big as washtubs.   14 inch platters.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> I have resisted Vista like the plague....

Vista is a piece of crap.  Even Microsoft has had to admit it's the heaviest
thing in the world.

What's the heaviest thing in the world?  A turd, even an elephant drops it.
. . . . .

Windows Vista the Turd operating system of 2008.  I've had Vista die twice
already this year and  had to work to bring the laptop back to life.

Charles the Curmudgeon
Scott  in  Florida - 28 Jun 2008 12:13 GMT
On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:51:50 -0400, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno@e86.GTS>
wrote:

>On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:48:00 -0400, Scott in Florida wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 94 lines]
>ALL:
>    They won't!

LOL....

Like sitting around bragging about the size of one's tool....

From normal to gigantic to microscopic....

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Hachiroku - 26 Jun 2008 04:08 GMT
>> If all you people posting kid porn here had stopped when asked, this
>> wouldn't have happened! Geeze!
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> thankful that Usenet is still around!
> jor

I use Usenet more than the WWW.
Less advertisements (and probably the reason it's going away...)
badgolferman - 26 Jun 2008 03:58 GMT
Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B, 6/24/2008,7:12:08 PM, wrote:

> If all you people posting kid porn here had stopped when asked, this
> wouldn't have happened! Geeze!
>
> Boy talk about throwing the baby out with the bath water...

Time for you to pull the plug on Verizon.  I did just that by leaving
my job there two weeks ago as a FiOS Network Technician.  If you think
you're being treated poorly as a customer you have no idea how the
employees get treated.  Woe to the customer who actually has a problem
that requires anything more than the standard troubleshooting.  Even
then they won't be able to speak to anyone without waiting in queues
for an hour or being spun around by the voice portal.
Goose - 27 Jun 2008 22:33 GMT
On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 02:58:30 +0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote...

>Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B, 6/24/2008,7:12:08 PM, wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>then they won't be able to speak to anyone without waiting in queues
>for an hour or being spun around by the voice portal.

Do they use the usual reboot everything but the kitchen sink approach. :)

Besides Verizon dropping alt and the other groups not in the big-8, Roadrunner
dropped Usenet completely. There might be some free news servers floating around
the Internet, but probably not very reliable and probably have posting
restrictions.

If you're looking for an alternative, might be worth checking Newsguy.com. They
have inexpensive account options if you just access the text groups and they
have a promotion running now that gives an extra fee month to Verizon customers
that sign-up.
Gary L. Burnore - 28 Jun 2008 01:09 GMT
>On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 02:58:30 +0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote...
>>
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>the Internet, but probably not very reliable and probably have posting
>restrictions.

DataBasix isn't free but it's MUCH more reliable than RR or Verizon
and has very few restrictions.

>If you're looking for an alternative, might be worth checking Newsguy.com.

Newsguy? Feh.

>They
>have inexpensive account options if you just access the text groups and they
>have a promotion running now that gives an extra fee month to Verizon customers
>that sign-up.

DataBasix will give you your second YEAR free if you sign up for a
year or your second quarter free if you sign up by the quarter and
yeah, the second month free if you go for the by-the-month version.
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