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You rightwingnuts always misunderstand plain English. Nobody diminished or denigrated McSame's war record. > You rightwingnuts always misunderstand plain English. Nobody > diminished or denigrated McSame's war record. You mean, nobody except Wesley Clark, right? Okay, maybe he did not denegrate McCain's service, but he did say that McCain's service is too shallow to give him Command Experience, as if Obama somehow has some magic potion that gives him Command Experience. Obama has a complete lack of any experience, military or otherwise, that could be called upon to help him make command decisions. McCain commanded a flight squadron, was the leader in the prison camp he was held in, has been on subcommittes and commissions through his several terms in Congress. I would not expect anybody from the Obama camp to be raising military service as an issue in this campaign. There is no way in hell that Obama can come out ahead in this area, no matter how one feels about war or the military in general. There can be no dispute that McCain has the stronger record, even if you don't like where he stands. > > You rightwingnuts always misunderstand plain English. Nobody > > diminished or denigrated McSame's war record. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > McCain's service is too shallow to give him Command Experience, as if Obama > somehow has some magic potion that gives him Command Experience. Your "as if" part needs to be deleted because it was never said nor implied. Even my father, who was in Vietnam at the time Clark and McCain were, has long said that McCain's military background itself doesn't qualify him to make strategic military decisions, and the ridiculous statement he made to Tim Russert in 2002, where he predicted that a war with Iraq would be over in a matter of days, is evidence of that. > Obama has a complete lack of any experience, military or otherwise, > that could be called upon to help him make command decisions. Yet Obama was right about the Iraq war, and McCain was wrong. >> > You rightwingnuts always misunderstand plain English. Nobody >> > diminished or denigrated McSame's war record. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > he made to Tim Russert in 2002, where he predicted that a war with > Iraq would be over in a matter of days, is evidence of that. But the war with Iraq was over in a matter of days. It's the peace that turns out to be problematic. Iraqis are at war with themselves because opposing factions have differing views on how the country should be sturctured. >> Obama has a complete lack of any experience, military or otherwise, >> that could be called upon to help him make command decisions. > > Yet Obama was right about the Iraq war, and McCain was wrong. Really? >>> > You rightwingnuts always misunderstand plain English. Nobody >>> > diminished or denigrated McSame's war record. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > But the war with Iraq was over in a matter of days. Explain that to the families of 4000+ dead soldiers, you idiot. >>>> > You rightwingnuts always misunderstand plain English. Nobody >>>> > diminished or denigrated McSame's war record. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Explain that to the families of 4000+ dead soldiers, you idiot. Up yours ... >>> Even my father, who was in Vietnam at the time Clark and McCain were, >>> has long said that McCain's military background itself doesn't qualify [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Up yours ... Would you really say that to those families if any of their members said the war wasn't over? > > Even my father, who was in Vietnam at the time Clark and McCain were, > > has long said that McCain's military background itself doesn't qualify [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > But the war with Iraq was over in a matter of days. I've never heard of 90% of the combat casualties occurring after the war was "over". By your logic, WWII ended in 1942. > It's the peace that turns out to be problematic. We don't know that because the Iraq war isn't over yet. > Iraqis are at war with themselves because opposing factions > have differing views on how the country should be sturctured. Iraqis are at war with themselves because we started the war. > Obama has a complete lack of any experience, military or otherwise, > that could be called upon to help him make command decisions. > > > Yet Obama was right about the Iraq war, and McCain was wrong. > > Really? Really, but you have to be logical to understand that, logical like realizing that a war isn't over at least until almost all the killing stops. . >> You rightwingnuts always misunderstand plain English. Nobody >> diminished or denigrated McSame's war record. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > military in general. There can be no dispute that McCain has the stronger > record, even if you don't like where he stands. U. S. Grant-- great military leader, weak POUS. F.D.R-- No military experience, Great war time leader Guess ya can't judge a book by its cover. eh. >>> You rightwingnuts always misunderstand plain English. Nobody >>> diminished or denigrated McSame's war record. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Guess ya can't judge a book by its cover. eh. I'm not suggesting the McCain will be a good leader, I'm suggesting that Obama should not be point to McCain's military record as weak, and inferring at the same time that his own record is somehow strong by contrast. > >> <edspyhil...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > >>news:f455b9bb-87fd-4233-aaec-0ff9b15dac12@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Obama DIDN'T! Jeez, can't you get access to the transcript? Ed S. > "tak" <taki...@frontiernet.net> wrote in message http://securingamerica.com/node/2993 General Wesley Clark on CBS's Face the Nation with Bob Shieffer June 29. 2008 Transcript by Reg NYC Bob Schieffer: With us now from Little Rock, Arkansas Retired General Wesley Clark. He was for Hillary Clinton during the primaries. Once Hillary was out of it, he announced that he was supporting Barack Obama. And let's get right to it here, General. You heard what Senator Lieberman said. He said that Barack Obama is simply more ready to be President than, than Barack Obama. (sic) GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: Well, I think Bar- I think Joe has it exactly backwards here. I think being President is, is about having good judgment. It's about the ability to communicate. As one of the great Presidential historians Richard Newsted said, "The greatest power of the Presidency is the power to persuade." And what Barack Obama brings is incredible communication skills, proven judgment. You look at his meteoric rise in politics, and you see a guy who deals with people well, who understands issues, who brings people together and who has good judgment in moving forward. And I think what we need to do, Bob, is we need to stop talking about the old politics of left and right, and we need to pull together and move the country forward. And I think that's what Barack Obama will do for America. Bob Schieffer: Well you, you went so far as to say that you thought John McCain was, quote, and these are your words, "untested and untried," And I must say I, I had to read that twice, because you're talking about somebody who was a prisoner of war. He was a squadron commander of the largest squadron in the Navy. He's been on the Senate Armed Services Committee for lo these many years. How can you say that John McCain is un- untested and untried? General? GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: Because in the matters of national security policy making, it's a matter of understanding risk. It's a matter of gauging your opponents, and it's a matter of being held accountable. John McCain's never done any of that in his official positions. I certainly honor his service as a prisoner of war. He was a hero to me and to hundreds of thousands and millions of others in Armed Forces as a prisoner of war. He has been a voice on the Senate Armed Services Committee, and he has traveled all over the world. But he hasn't held executive responsibility. That large squadron in Air- in the Navy that he commanded, it wasn't a wartime squadron. He hasn't been there and ordered the bombs to fall. He hasn't seen what it's like when diplomats come in and say, 'I don't know whether we're going to be able to get this point through or not. Do you want to take the risk? What about your reputation? How do we handle it-' Bob Schieffer: Well- GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: ' -it publicly.' He hasn't made those calls, Bob. Bob Schieffer: Well, well, General, maybe- GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: So- Bob Schieffer: Could I just interrupt you. If- GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: Sure. Bob Schieffer: I have to say, Barack Obama has not had any of those experiences either, nor has he ridden in a fighter plane and gotten shot down. I mean- GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: Well, I don't think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be President. Bob Schieffer: Really?! GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: But Barack is not, he is not running on the fact that he has made these national security pronouncements. He's running on his other strengths. He's running on the strengths of character, on the strengths of his communication skills, on the strengths of his judgment. And those are qualities that we seek in our national leadership. Bob Schieffer: Well, let me ask you this. Senator Obama announced yesterday that he's going to Europe and to the Middle East. Most people think that he'll probably stop off in Iraq where he hasn't been in more than two years. Why now? GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: I think this is a good opportunity. It's a window of time. The Convention is late in the calendar this year, and he's got the window of time to go overseas, meet with foreign leaders. You know, we were meeting with him the other day and as he said he doesn't want to count his chickens before he, before they hatch. But he recognizes this country is in such a plight, both at home and abroad that no one can contemplate taking the office of the Presidency without having some very good ideas about what needs to be done from the get-go. There's not a learning period in this job. The next President's going to have to step right into the job. He's going to have to have the policies there. And I think Barack is taking a, a very sensible view of this by going abroad and meeting firsthand the leaders at this critical moment in, in times of America's needs abroad. Bob Schieffer: General, what do you think would be the impact, let's say on Iran, on the neighborhood around Iraq if in fact Senator Obama is elected and he does announce that he's going to bring back the troops on a specific time schedule? As Senator Lieberman said, he's totally discounting things that could happen along the way. Would he follow that schedule no matter what? GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: Well, I don't think Barack Obama is discounting things that have happened along the way. I think the critique is more like this, Bob, that the Bush administration and Joe Lieberman in the forefront have from the beginning relied excessively on military force as the answer to all the nation's security problems. And what Barack Obama understands is that military force may have to be used as a last resort, but it's not the first resort. So, let's take the case of Iraq. This administration went to a war it didn't really have to fight. Barack Obama called it like it was at the time in a speech early on before we went into Iraq. And once there, the administration relied excessively on the men and women in uniform. It failed to put in place the overarching diplomatic strategy and the regional strategy that was necessary to deal with Iraq's neighbors. It more or less invited Iranian incursions by threatening that Ira- Iran and Syria were next on the hit list in military actions and, and efforts in the region without having an effective strategy in the region. So, when we talk about troop withdrawals from Iraq, yes, I think the major muscle movement for the United States needs to be less reliance on military power and more reliance on all the other tools of U.S. power, including diplomacy. So, it's within that vein that Barack Obama is talking about pulling troops back from Iraq. It doesn't mean that he's not going to be sensitive to other actions in the region. He's going to be much more sensitive to those actions than the kind of mechanistic, militaristic response that John McCain has habitually given. What I can foresee- Bob Schieffer: Could I ask- GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: -from an Obama campaign is a regional strategy that does include dialog with all of Iraq's neighbors and in which the military component is one part of an overarching strategy to protect American interests. Bob Schieffer: Do you think that Barack Obama's going to put Hillary Clinton on the ticket? Would that be a good thing, General? GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: I'd love to see Hillary Clinton on that ticket, but- I have a lot of respect for Hillary. I've known her for a long time. I think she's an outstanding person. But I think that's a decision that, that Barack Obama himself is going to have to make, and I'm sure he's weighing that decision. Bob Schieffer: Alright. Well, General, thank you so much for being with us this morning. GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: Thank you. Bob Schieffer: Hope we can talk to you again along the way.... GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: Thank you, Bob. Wesley Clark is specifically stating that McCain's experience does not rise to the level of command experience, as if by contrast Obama has better experience. The fact is, Obama has no experience. Perhaps McCain's experience does not rise to command experience, but it's a damn sight more experience than Obama has got. One might not like the decisions that McCain has made relative to military issues, or any other issues for that matter, but there can be no dispute that McCain's experience is both broader and deeper than any experience that Obama has. On Jul 3, 1:16 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <cr...@verizon.net> wrote: > "tak" <taki...@frontiernet.net> wrote in message http://securingamerica.com/node/2993 General Wesley Clark on CBS's Face the Nation with Bob Shieffer June 29. 2008 Transcript by Reg NYC Bob Schieffer: With us now from Little Rock, Arkansas Retired General Wesley Clark. He was for Hillary Clinton during the primaries. Once Hillary was out of it, he announced that he was supporting Barack Obama. And let's get right to it here, General. You heard what Senator Lieberman said. He said that Barack Obama is simply more ready to be President than, than Barack Obama. (sic) GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: Well, I think Bar- I think Joe has it exactly backwards here. I think being President is, is about having good judgment. It's about the ability to communicate. As one of the great Presidential historians Richard Newsted said, "The greatest power of the Presidency is the power to persuade." And what Barack Obama brings is incredible communication skills, proven judgment. You look at his meteoric rise in politics, and you see a guy who deals with people well, who understands issues, who brings people together and who has good judgment in moving forward. And I think what we need to do, Bob, is we need to stop talking about the old politics of left and right, and we need to pull together and move the country forward. And I think that's what Barack Obama will do for America. Bob Schieffer: Well you, you went so far as to say that you thought John McCain was, quote, and these are your words, "untested and untried," And I must say I, I had to read that twice, because you're talking about somebody who was a prisoner of war. He was a squadron commander of the largest squadron in the Navy. He's been on the Senate Armed Services Committee for lo these many years. How can you say that John McCain is un- untested and untried? General? GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: Because in the matters of national security policy making, it's a matter of understanding risk. It's a matter of gauging your opponents, and it's a matter of being held accountable. John McCain's never done any of that in his official positions. I certainly honor his service as a prisoner of war. He was a hero to me and to hundreds of thousands and millions of others in Armed Forces as a prisoner of war. He has been a voice on the Senate Armed Services Committee, and he has traveled all over the world. But he hasn't held executive responsibility. That large squadron in Air- in the Navy that he commanded, it wasn't a wartime squadron. He hasn't been there and ordered the bombs to fall. He hasn't seen what it's like when diplomats come in and say, 'I don't know whether we're going to be able to get this point through or not. Do you want to take the risk? What about your reputation? How do we handle it-' Bob Schieffer: Well- GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: ' -it publicly.' He hasn't made those calls, Bob. Bob Schieffer: Well, well, General, maybe- GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: So- Bob Schieffer: Could I just interrupt you. If- GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: Sure. Bob Schieffer: I have to say, Barack Obama has not had any of those experiences either, nor has he ridden in a fighter plane and gotten shot down. I mean- GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: Well, I don't think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be President. Bob Schieffer: Really?! GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: But Barack is not, he is not running on the fact that he has made these national security pronouncements. He's running on his other strengths. He's running on the strengths of character, on the strengths of his communication skills, on the strengths of his judgment. And those are qualities that we seek in our national leadership. Bob Schieffer: Well, let me ask you this. Senator Obama announced yesterday that he's going to Europe and to the Middle East. Most people think that he'll probably stop off in Iraq where he hasn't been in more than two years. Why now? GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: I think this is a good opportunity. It's a window of time. The Convention is late in the calendar this year, and he's got the window of time to go overseas, meet with foreign leaders. You know, we were meeting with him the other day and as he said he doesn't want to count his chickens before he, before they hatch. But he recognizes this country is in such a plight, both at home and abroad that no one can contemplate taking the office of the Presidency without having some very good ideas about what needs to be done from the get-go. There's not a learning period in this job. The next President's going to have to step right into the job. He's going to have to have the policies there. And I think Barack is taking a, a very sensible view of this by going abroad and meeting firsthand the leaders at this critical moment in, in times of America's needs abroad. Bob Schieffer: General, what do you think would be the impact, let's say on Iran, on the neighborhood around Iraq if in fact Senator Obama is elected and he does announce that he's going to bring back the troops on a specific time schedule? As Senator Lieberman said, he's totally discounting things that could happen along the way. Would he follow that schedule no matter what? GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: Well, I don't think Barack Obama is discounting things that have happened along the way. I think the critique is more like this, Bob, that the Bush administration and Joe Lieberman in the forefront have from the beginning relied excessively on military force as the answer to all the nation's security problems. And what Barack Obama understands is that military force may have to be used as a last resort, but it's not the first resort. So, let's take the case of Iraq. This administration went to a war it didn't really have to fight. Barack Obama called it like it was at the time in a speech early on before we went into Iraq. And once there, the administration relied excessively on the men and women in uniform. It failed to put in place the overarching diplomatic strategy and the regional strategy that was necessary to deal with Iraq's neighbors. It more or less invited Iranian incursions by threatening that Ira- Iran and Syria were next on the hit list in military actions and, and efforts in the region without having an effective strategy in the region. So, when we talk about troop withdrawals from Iraq, yes, I think the major muscle movement for the United States needs to be less reliance on military power and more reliance on all the other tools of U.S. power, including diplomacy. So, it's within that vein that Barack Obama is talking about pulling troops back from Iraq. It doesn't mean that he's not going to be sensitive to other actions in the region. He's going to be much more sensitive to those actions than the kind of mechanistic, militaristic response that John McCain has habitually given. What I can foresee- Bob Schieffer: Could I ask- GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: -from an Obama campaign is a regional strategy that does include dialog with all of Iraq's neighbors and in which the military component is one part of an overarching strategy to protect American interests. Bob Schieffer: Do you think that Barack Obama's going to put Hillary Clinton on the ticket? Would that be a good thing, General? GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: I'd love to see Hillary Clinton on that ticket, but- I have a lot of respect for Hillary. I've known her for a long time. I think she's an outstanding person. But I think that's a decision that, that Barack Obama himself is going to have to make, and I'm sure he's weighing that decision. Bob Schieffer: Alright. Well, General, thank you so much for being with us this morning. GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: Thank you. Bob Schieffer: Hope we can talk to you again along the way.... GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: Thank you, Bob. >>> I would not expect anybody from the Obama camp to be raising military >>> service as an issue in this campaign. There is no way in hell that Obama [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > inferring at the same time that his own record is somehow strong by > contrast. Huh?? When did Obama call McCain's military record weak? I've heard him praise McCain's military service, & I've heard him distance himself from Wesley Clark's comment, but have not heard him do as you just stated. (re: Clark's statement: ill-advised, IMO, but... logically, it does make sense. One can have been in the military - & served admirably, yet not have other skills necessary to be president.) Cathy >>>> I would not expect anybody from the Obama camp to be raising military >>>> service as an issue in this campaign. There is no way in hell that [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Cathy I accept your argument. I did not mean that Obama _personally_ is calling McCain's record weak. Gen. Clark is an integral part of the Obama Campaign, and should take greater care in the way he characterizes the opponent. When _anybody_ in the Obama camp says anything, the inference is that Obama by contrast is somehow superior in that regard. When the Obama Camp points to military experience, then there is an implied suggestion that Obama has some, when the fact is Obama has no military experience at all. >>>>> I would not expect anybody from the Obama camp to be raising military >>>>> service as an issue in this campaign. There is no way in hell that [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > experience, then there is an implied suggestion that Obama has some, when > the fact is Obama has no military experience at all. No, there is no implication of military experience. Why would they imply something that's clearly not true? To appeal to idiots like you who thrive on rumors? Clark is saying that leading a squadron is nowhere close to running an entire military theatre. This is true. Even McCain would agree with it. >>>>>> I would not expect anybody from the Obama camp to be raising military >>>>>> service as an issue in this campaign. There is no way in hell that [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > something that's clearly not true? To appeal to idiots like you who thrive > on rumors? Why would they appeal to me? > Clark is saying that leading a squadron is nowhere close to running an > entire military theatre. This is true. Even McCain would agree with it. That's fine to say, but when it is said in a way that sounds as if Obama has the experience that McCain lacks is simply absurd. Clark made his comments in such a way as to suggest that Obama has some sort of military experience that makes him a stronger candidate to be President. Obama _might_ be the stronger candidate, but not by virtue of his military experience. McCain might be the weaker candidate, but his military experience is clearly a strength that he has and Obama lacks. MY military experience is stronger than Obama's. I lack lots of Presidential qualities, but I have far more military experience that Obama has, and to compare my qualities to his would make me potentially the better leader. I'm not suggesting you vote for me in November, I'm only suggesting that Obama's campaign should take care when it contrasts itself against its opponent in areas where the opponent has the stronger profile. I would suggest Obama talk about domestic issues, not military ones. He and his campaign should contrast him in areas where he actually has a contrast. >> Clark is saying that leading a squadron is nowhere close to running an >> entire military theatre. This is true. Even McCain would agree with it. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > in such a way as to suggest that Obama has some sort of military experience > that makes him a stronger candidate to be President. Clark is retired, right? From what I've seen of him, we should be thankful. I think he's an example of the "Peter Principle" >>> Clark is saying that leading a squadron is nowhere close to running an >>> entire military theatre. This is true. Even McCain would agree with it. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > From what I've seen of him, we should be thankful. I think he's an example > of the "Peter Principle" Every now & then, some moron stumbles along and acts like retired military people have nothing of value to say. Why do you hate retired generals? >>>> Clark is saying that leading a squadron is nowhere close to running an >>>> entire military theatre. This is true. Even McCain would agree with it. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Why do you hate retired generals? Colin Powell is a great person, and should have been VP, if not President. His wife wouldn't let him. Stormin' Norman 'Blackhead' is an absoulte master. Wesley Clark is a media whore who will say just about anything to be quoted. You should know that from current media. Perhaps you'll find it out in a book 3 years from now... >Clark is retired, right? > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >Wesley Clark is a media whore who will say just about anything to be >quoted. You should know that from current media. If Clark were such a person, he could have advocated the pro- administration and pro-invasion policies favored by the neoconservatives and received far more exposure (and money) than by taking the internationalist position that he has. The retired 4-star generals you listed possess extensive ground combat and top-level command experience and deep knowledge of defense and international matters. Unlike John McCain, all were opposed to the Iraqi war from the beginning, which is not likely a mere coincidence. On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:31:07 -0400, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno@e86.GTS> wrote: >>> Clark is saying that leading a squadron is nowhere close to running an >>> entire military theatre. This is true. Even McCain would agree with it. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >From what I've seen of him, we should be thankful. I think he's an example >of the "Peter Principle" Colonel David Hunt ( on Howie's show now) worked for him and says he is all for.....HIMSELF.  SignatureScott in Florida > On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:31:07 -0400, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno@e86.GTS> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Colonel David Hunt ( on Howie's show now) worked for him and says he > is all for.....HIMSELF. Most successful people are to a great extent. That's how Clark became a general. You, on the other hand, were an expert at field stripping a Smith-Corona typewriter. On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:10:45 -0400, Scott in Florida wrote: >>Clark is retired, right? >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Colonel David Hunt ( on Howie's show now) worked for him and says he > is all for.....HIMSELF. LOL! You know, I haven't listened to Howie for about 2 months, and I did hear that one! On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 07:57:23 -0400, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno@e86.GTS> wrote: >On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:10:45 -0400, Scott in Florida wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >LOL! You know, I haven't listened to Howie for about 2 months, and I did >hear that one! Colonel Hunt was talking about the guy in Texas who shot (and KILLED) two illegal aliens with a shotgun. They robbed his neighbor's house and he KILLED them by shooting them in the back as they ran across his lawn. The grand jury found it justifiable! We should all do this a few times. Guess what? Crime would be non existent! SignatureScott in Florida > On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 07:57:23 -0400, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno@e86.GTS> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > We should all do this a few times. Guess what? Crime would be non > existent! And the next thing after that declare open season on traitors. Bill and Hill would be in a lot of trouble then. > On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:31:07 -0400, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno@e86.GTS> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Colonel David Hunt ( on Howie's show now) worked for him and says he > is all for.....HIMSELF. Someone needs to pull out the microscope on this Hunt and find out what his motivations are. > > On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:31:07 -0400, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno@e86.GTS> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Someone needs to pull out the microscope on this Hunt and find out what his > motivations are. agreed, we should also pull out the microscope on the rev. wright and find out what the motivations are behind him and obama. There are others of course, but we will get to that later. -- >> > On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:31:07 -0400, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno@e86.GTS> >> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >find out what the motivations are behind him and obama. There are >others of course, but we will get to that later. & it still won't do you any good. Neocons are losing. That's all that really matters. Signaturegburnore at DataBasix dot Com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- How you look depends on where you go. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gary L. 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Signaturegburnore at DataBasix dot Com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- How you look depends on where you go. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gary L. Burnore | ÝÛ³ºÝ³Þ³ºÝ³³Ýۺݳ޳ºÝ³Ý³Þ³ºÝ³ÝÝÛ³ | ÝÛ³ºÝ³Þ³ºÝ³³Ýۺݳ޳ºÝ³Ý³Þ³ºÝ³ÝÝÛ³ Official .sig, Accept no substitutes. | ÝÛ³ºÝ³Þ³ºÝ³³Ýۺݳ޳ºÝ³Ý³Þ³ºÝ³ÝÝÛ³ | ÝÛ 0 1 7 2 3 / Ý³Þ 3 7 4 9 3 0 Û³ Black Helicopter Repair Services, Ltd.| Official Proof of Purchase =========================================================================== > >> >> > On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:31:07 -0400, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno@e86.GTS> > >> >> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > There ya go. We're not losing, we've lost. You won. You will be the one to have to answer the questions next year. Have fun and enjoy the ride with obama, YOUR next president, not mine. -- >> >> >> > On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:31:07 -0400, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno@e86.GTS> >> >> >> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > >We're not losing, we've lost. Actually, the correct syntax is losing. The whitehouse isn't the only thing on the block. Now dems are going after congressional seats and state seats. > You won. I've not won anything. I'm an independent, remember? >You will be the one to have to answer the questions next year. Nah, the dems will. > Have fun and enjoy the ride with obama, YOUR next president, not mine. Hahahahahahaha. Whine on, dupe. Signaturegburnore at DataBasix dot Com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- How you look depends on where you go. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gary L. Burnore | ÝÛ³ºÝ³Þ³ºÝ³³Ýۺݳ޳ºÝ³Ý³Þ³ºÝ³ÝÝÛ³ | ÝÛ³ºÝ³Þ³ºÝ³³Ýۺݳ޳ºÝ³Ý³Þ³ºÝ³ÝÝÛ³ Official .sig, Accept no substitutes. | ÝÛ³ºÝ³Þ³ºÝ³³Ýۺݳ޳ºÝ³Ý³Þ³ºÝ³ÝÝÛ³ | ÝÛ 0 1 7 2 3 / Ý³Þ 3 7 4 9 3 0 Û³ Black Helicopter Repair Services, Ltd.| Official Proof of Purchase =========================================================================== >>>>>>> I would not expect anybody from the Obama camp to be raising >>>>>>> military service as an issue in this campaign. There is no way in [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > and his campaign should contrast him in areas where he actually has a > contrast. Clark made no implications about Obama having military experience. Just for you: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080611103900.htm >>>>> I would not expect anybody from the Obama camp to be raising military >>>>> service as an issue in this campaign. There is no way in hell that [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > I did not mean that Obama _personally_ is calling McCain's record weak. Your statement, "I'm suggesting that Obama should not be point to McCain's military record as weak" sounded like you meant Obama - personally, not someone else in his camp, to me. However, the clarification (below) does help. Gen. > Clark is an integral part of the Obama Campaign, and should take greater > care in the way he characterizes the opponent. When _anybody_ in the Obama > camp says anything, the inference is that Obama by contrast is somehow > superior in that regard. When the Obama Camp points to military > experience, then there is an implied suggestion that Obama has some, when > the fact is Obama has no military experience at all. Military service re: B. Obama is a known non-issue, so... how can there be that sort of implication? Cathy >>>>>> I would not expect anybody from the Obama camp to be raising military >>>>>> service as an issue in this campaign. There is no way in hell that [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > Cathy The moron Strickland is going to claim that Obama lied about being in the military. He was, but he claims he was not. > The moron Strickland is going to claim that Obama lied about being in the > military. He was, but he claims he was not. I never said that, or said anything that sounds like that. >> The moron Strickland is going to claim that Obama lied about being in the >> military. He was, but he claims he was not. > > I never said that, or said anything that sounds like that. But it's as absurd as most of what you say, Oakland boy. >>> The moron Strickland is going to claim that Obama lied about being in >>> the military. He was, but he claims he was not. >> >> I never said that, or said anything that sounds like that. > > But it's as absurd as most of what you say, Oakland boy. Oakland boy? Aren't you the one that just got through saying that America under Bush looks just like Germany under Hitler? Yeah, right. You need to have your meds adjusted. >>>> The moron Strickland is going to claim that Obama lied about being in >>>> the military. He was, but he claims he was not. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > You need to have your meds adjusted. I said no such thing. Read for comprehension. But wait: This would require that you have the ability to use abstraction in your thinking process. You don't. You have one more chance to figure this out, and then you have to wait for Cathy to come along and help you like an elementary school child. I'd explain it, but you need to see that another person can jump right into this conversation and understand the abstraction involved. Cathy would be that person. >>>>> The moron Strickland is going to claim that Obama lied about being in >>>>> the military. He was, but he claims he was not. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > that you have the ability to use abstraction in your thinking process. You > don't. Clearly you have no clue what you said, and my ability to abstract is flawless. The only way what you said makes any sense at all is if one surmises from your statement that America under Bush is the same as Germany under Hitler. There is no other way to take what you said as having any sense at all. > You have one more chance to figure this out, and then you have to wait for > Cathy to come along and help you like an elementary school child. I'd > explain it, but you need to see that another person can jump right into > this conversation and understand the abstraction involved. Cathy would be > that person. Don't use anybody else for a crutch. Take responsibility for what you said. Cathy is not your mother, she does not need to bail you out. >>>>>> The moron Strickland is going to claim that Obama lied about being in >>>>>> the military. He was, but he claims he was not. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > Don't use anybody else for a crutch. Take responsibility for what you > said. Cathy is not your mother, she does not need to bail you out. No, but she'll definitely bail YOU out. Natalie can also help. You'll just have to wait. >>>> The moron Strickland is going to claim that Obama lied about being in >>>> the military. He was, but he claims he was not. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >You need to have your meds adjusted. What Dougie needs is a good clock cleanin.... SignatureScott in Florida >>> The moron Strickland is going to claim that Obama lied about being in the >>> military. He was, but he claims he was not. >> >> I never said that, or said anything that sounds like that. > >But it's as absurd as most of what you say, Oakland boy. I see you have been nailed again, Dougie..... SignatureScott in Florida >>>>>> I would not expect anybody from the Obama camp to be raising military >>>>>> service as an issue in this campaign. There is no way in hell that [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > Cathy Clark's assertion is that McCain -- through his military service -- is not suitable to be The Prez. The manner in which he said it is such that he implied that Obama is better suited to be The Prez, and Clark tied the suitability to military service. If military service is the benchmark of suitability then McCain is vastly more suitable for the job than Obama will ever be. I agree that military service does not a President make, but if one is going to make the comparison between his candidate and the other candidate, his own candidate should have the qualities the other candidate lacks. Clark's comparison was wrong because his guy (Obama) has less of the qualities than McCain, and Clark says McCain is weak. The Obama campaign should say why their candidate is better, and avoid saying that the other candidate is unqualified when the qualification they point out is far more extensive than what Obama has. McCain knows command structure far better than Obama. He knows the implications of a command decision far better than Obama. McCain has lived within the command structure of the military, Obama never has. McCain is/has been on the Armed Forces Sub-Committee almost as long as he's been in the Senate. Obama, not a day. If the Obama campaign is going to make military service a benchmark of qualification, they are going to lose. This arena is perhaps Obama's weakest, and McCain's strongest. McCain might not have many strong points, but his service to our country is one of them, and one that Obama seriously lacks. Obama may have lots of strong points, but his service to country isn't among them. Clark's taking on of McCain in the manner he did it seems to smack of throwing stones around the living room of a glass house. <snip> > McCain knows command structure far better than Obama. He knows the > implications of a command decision far better than Obama. McCain has lived > within the command structure of the military, Obama never has. McCain is/has > been on the Armed Forces Sub-Committee almost as long as he's been in the > Senate. Obama, not a day. <snip> . Well here you present why Obama's skills are actually those necessary right now for America. Obama is a very successful community organizer, getting diverse sometimes conflicting groups to work together toward a common good. I believe Obama will be much more successful in the Middle East, in Africa, and in East Asia keeping the lid on conflicts, to say nothing of being able to bring diverse US groups to work together. If you think command structure is different between the military and community activist groups, do some volunteering. Ed S. ><snip> >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Well here you present why Obama's skills are actually those necessary >right now for America. Barry has NO skills necessary right now for America. >Obama is a very successful community organizer, getting diverse >sometimes conflicting groups to work together toward a common good. That is total bull sh.t! http://votepresent.com/ >I >believe Obama will be much more successful in the Middle East, in >Africa, and in East Asia keeping the lid on conflicts, to say nothing >of being able to bring diverse US groups to work together. How in the hell can you come to that conclusion? He runs away from conflict. http://votepresent.com/ >If you think command structure is different between the military and >community activist groups, do some volunteering. He failed miserably at community activist groups. >Ed S. SignatureScott in Florida On Jul 3, 6:05 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <cr...@verizon.net> wrote: <snip> > McCain knows command structure far better than Obama. He knows the > implications of a command decision far better than Obama. McCain has lived > within the command structure of the military, Obama never has. McCain > is/has > been on the Armed Forces Sub-Committee almost as long as he's been in the > Senate. Obama, not a day. <snip> . Well here you present why Obama's skills are actually those necessary right now for America. Obama is a very successful community organizer, getting diverse sometimes conflicting groups to work together toward a common good. I believe Obama will be much more successful in the Middle East, in Africa, and in East Asia keeping the lid on conflicts, to say nothing of being able to bring diverse US groups to work together. <JS> Very successful? I'm not from Chicago, but I've not heard anything that makes me think he has been "very successful" at anything. Indeed, I've not heard of anything he's done long enough to become "very successful" at doing it. He's not a "very successful" Senator, most of his votes have not been Yea or Nay, they've been "present." </JS> If you think command structure is different between the military and community activist groups, do some volunteering. <JS> Why? I would agrue that being in the military gives better Command Experience than being in the local PTA, or whipping the local homies into a lather so the go to Rev. Wright services. </JS> >On Jul 3, 6:05 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <cr...@verizon.net> wrote: ><snip> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >Very successful? I'm not from Chicago, but I've not heard anything that >makes me think he has been "very successful" at anything. I am and I have. The area he worked in most was hard hit because of plant closings. >Indeed, I've not >heard of anything he's done long enough to become "very successful" at doing >it. Because you choose not to. >He's not a "very successful" Senator, most of his votes have not been Yea or >Nay, they've been "present." You're mixing up his congressional voting record with his IL voting record where posting a present rather than yea or nay means something special. ></JS> > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >I would agrue that being in the military gives better Command Experience >than being in the local PTA, Only if you're in command. He wasn't. Signaturegburnore at DataBasix dot Com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- How you look depends on where you go. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gary L. Burnore | ÝÛ³ºÝ³Þ³ºÝ³³Ýۺݳ޳ºÝ³Ý³Þ³ºÝ³ÝÝÛ³ | ÝÛ³ºÝ³Þ³ºÝ³³Ýۺݳ޳ºÝ³Ý³Þ³ºÝ³ÝÝÛ³ Official .sig, Accept no substitutes. | ÝÛ³ºÝ³Þ³ºÝ³³Ýۺݳ޳ºÝ³Ý³Þ³ºÝ³ÝÝÛ³ | ÝÛ 0 1 7 2 3 / Ý³Þ 3 7 4 9 3 0 Û³ Black Helicopter Repair Services, Ltd.| Official Proof of Purchase =========================================================================== >>On Jul 3, 6:05 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <cr...@verizon.net> wrote: >><snip> [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Because you choose not to. That's not entirely true. I thought he looked and sounded pretty good when he first came onto the national scene after the mid-term elections back in '04. He actually had my vote until late Spring or early Summer last year. He said a few things that made me wonder about his fitness for the highest office in the land. Since then, I've not been all that impressed, and then his associations with Very Left Wing Radicals has not helped him to win me back. I've heard of his community work, but I have not heard that it was all that successful in terms of community building that I think we need. >>He's not a "very successful" Senator, most of his votes have not been Yea >>or [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > record where posting a present rather than yea or nay means something > special. What is so special about posting, Present? >> You're mixing up his congressional voting record with his IL voting >> record where posting a present rather than yea or nay means something >> special. > >What is so special about posting, Present? Quoting http://www.democrats.org/page/community/post/elizabethberry/CNPq In Illinois, when children are in the eighth grade, they are required to take a course on the State Constitution. Among other things they learn in this class that unlike Congress and the legislatures of most other states, each chamber of the Illinois Legislature requires a ''constitutional majority'' to pass a bill. The state Senate has 59 members, so it takes 30 affirmative votes. This makes a ''present'' vote the same as a no. If a bill receives 29 votes, but the rest of the senators vote ''present,'' it fails. In the Illinois Senate, there can be strategic reasons for voting ''present'' rather than simply no. A member might approve the intent of legislation, but not its scope or the way it has been drafted. A ''present'' vote can send a signal to a bill's sponsors that the legislator might support an amended version. Voting ''present'' can also be a way to exercise fiscal restraint, without opposing the subject of the bill. . ." Signaturegburnore at DataBasix dot Com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- How you look depends on where you go. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gary L. Burnore | ÝÛ³ºÝ³Þ³ºÝ³³Ýۺݳ޳ºÝ³Ý³Þ³ºÝ³ÝÝÛ³ | ÝÛ³ºÝ³Þ³ºÝ³³Ýۺݳ޳ºÝ³Ý³Þ³ºÝ³ÝÝÛ³ Official .sig, Accept no substitutes. | ÝÛ³ºÝ³Þ³ºÝ³³Ýۺݳ޳ºÝ³Ý³Þ³ºÝ³ÝÝÛ³ | ÝÛ 0 1 7 2 3 / Ý³Þ 3 7 4 9 3 0 Û³ Black Helicopter Repair Services, Ltd.| Official Proof of Purchase =========================================================================== > >> You're mixing up his congressional voting record with his IL voting > >> record where posting a present rather than yea or nay means something [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > also be a way to exercise fiscal restraint, without opposing the > subject of the bill. . ." Are you living in Ill.? Where? -- >> >> You're mixing up his congressional voting record with his IL voting >> >> record where posting a present rather than yea or nay means something [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >Are you living in Ill.? Where? I grew up in Oak Park, and it's IL, not Ill. :) Signaturegburnore at DataBasix dot Com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- How you look depends on where you go. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gary L. Burnore | ÝÛ³ºÝ³Þ³ºÝ³³Ýۺݳ޳ºÝ³Ý³Þ³ºÝ³ÝÝÛ³ | ÝÛ³ºÝ³Þ³ºÝ³³Ýۺݳ޳ºÝ³Ý³Þ³ºÝ³ÝÝÛ³ Official .sig, Accept no substitutes. | ÝÛ³ºÝ³Þ³ºÝ³³Ýۺݳ޳ºÝ³Ý³Þ³ºÝ³ÝÝÛ³ | ÝÛ 0 1 7 2 3 / Ý³Þ 3 7 4 9 3 0 Û³ Black Helicopter Repair Services, Ltd.| Official Proof of Purchase =========================================================================== > >> >> You're mixing up his congressional voting record with his IL voting > >> >> record where posting a present rather than yea or nay means something [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > I grew up in Oak Park, and it's IL, not Ill. :) Cool, are you living there now, that was the question, where are you living, not where you grew up. -- >>> You're mixing up his congressional voting record with his IL voting >>> record where posting a present rather than yea or nay means something [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >also be a way to exercise fiscal restraint, without opposing the >subject of the bill. . ." ROFLMAO The Dims explaining their empty suit Barry's 'present' votes... That is rich. SignatureScott in Florida >>>> You're mixing up his congressional voting record with his IL voting >>>> record where posting a present rather than yea or nay means something [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > >That is rich. Neocon dupe, it's factual. That you don't like it is your problem. Try this one, dupe: http://www.law.uchicago.edu/news/mikva-021608/index.html Signaturegburnore at DataBasix dot Com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- How you look depends on where you go. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gary L. Burnore | ÝÛ³ºÝ³Þ³ºÝ³³Ýۺݳ޳ºÝ³Ý³Þ³ºÝ³ÝÝÛ³ | ÝÛ³ºÝ³Þ³ºÝ³³Ýۺݳ޳ºÝ³Ý³Þ³ºÝ³ÝÝÛ³ Official .sig, Accept no substitutes. | ÝÛ³ºÝ³Þ³ºÝ³³Ýۺݳ޳ºÝ³Ý³Þ³ºÝ³ÝÝÛ³ | ÝÛ 0 1 7 2 3 / Ý³Þ 3 7 4 9 3 0 Û³ Black Helicopter Repair Services, Ltd.| Official Proof of Purchase =========================================================================== >>> You're mixing up his congressional voting record with his IL voting >>> record where posting a present rather than yea or nay means something [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > also be a way to exercise fiscal restraint, without opposing the > subject of the bill. . ." But a "present" is not a no or a yes. In a black and white world, there is either yes or no. If not yes then no. Present has the effect of no without taking a stand. I want my President to take a stand. Obama has failed in that regard. >>>> You're mixing up his congressional voting record with his IL voting >>>> record where posting a present rather than yea or nay means something [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >In a black and white world, there is either yes or no. If not yes then no. >Present has the effect of no without taking a stand. So you have a reading comprehension problem, eh? >I want my President to take a stand. So you'd want him to turn down a good idea because of the way it was written? Fool. > Obama has failed in that regard. Good. Vote for the losing candidate: Toilet McSame. Signaturegburnore at DataBasix dot Com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- How you look depends on where you go. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gary L. Burnore | ÝÛ³ºÝ³Þ³ºÝ³³Ýۺݳ޳ºÝ³Ý³Þ³ºÝ³ÝÝÛ³ | ÝÛ³ºÝ³Þ³ºÝ³³Ýۺݳ޳ºÝ³Ý³Þ³ºÝ³ÝÝÛ³ Official .sig, Accept no substitutes. | ÝÛ³ºÝ³Þ³ºÝ³³Ýۺݳ޳ºÝ³Ý³Þ³ºÝ³ÝÝÛ³ | ÝÛ 0 1 7 2 3 / Ý³Þ 3 7 4 9 3 0 Û³ Black Helicopter Repair Services, Ltd.| Official Proof of Purchase =========================================================================== >>>>> You're mixing up his congressional voting record with his IL voting >>>>> record where posting a present rather than yea or nay means something [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > So you have a reading comprehension problem, eh? But, "present" is a no vote, you said it yourself. He should vote yes or no. Present is a vite that should be reserved for a minority of instances, but Obama appears to have used that option most of the time. >>I want my President to take a stand. > > So you'd want him to turn down a good idea because of the way it was > written? Fool. Absolutely. If the idea was written poorly, then he should vote against it. >>>>>> You're mixing up his congressional voting record with his IL voting >>>>>> record where posting a present rather than yea or nay means something [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > >He should vote yes or no. Again, no, not necessarily. Signaturegburnore at DataBasix dot Com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- How you look depends on where you go. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gary L. Burnore | ÝÛ³ºÝ³Þ³ºÝ³³Ýۺݳ޳ºÝ³Ý³Þ³ºÝ³ÝÝÛ³ | ÝÛ³ºÝ³Þ³ºÝ³³Ýۺݳ޳ºÝ³Ý³Þ³ºÝ³ÝÝÛ³ Official .sig, Accept no substitutes. | ÝÛ³ºÝ³Þ³ºÝ³³Ýۺݳ޳ºÝ³Ý³Þ³ºÝ³ÝÝÛ³ | ÝÛ 0 1 7 2 3 / Ý³Þ 3 7 4 9 3 0 Û³ Black Helicopter Repair Services, Ltd.| Official Proof of Purchase =========================================================================== FOR THE RECORD, I'm not all that thrilled with the voting record of McCain either. >FOR THE RECORD, >I'm not all that thrilled with the voting record of McCain either. I join you there. but you have to remember the Supreme Court. Barry Obama would be a disaster for America on that one count alone. SignatureScott in Florida >>FOR THE RECORD, >>I'm not all that thrilled with the voting record of McCain either. > >I join you there. > >but you have to remember the Supreme Court. Yes, one does. One more neocon and women lose more rights for example. >Barry Obama would be a disaster for America on that one count alone. Barry? Should we start calling you Shirly? Or maybe we should just refer to McCain as Toilet McSame? Yeah, that's the ticket. Signaturegburnore at DataBasix dot Com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- How you look depends on where you go. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gary L. Burnore | ÝÛ³ºÝ³Þ³ºÝ³³Ýۺݳ޳ºÝ³Ý³Þ³ºÝ³ÝÝÛ³ | ÝÛ³ºÝ³Þ³ºÝ³³Ýۺݳ޳ºÝ³Ý³Þ³ºÝ³ÝÝÛ³ Official .sig, Accept no substitutes. | ÝÛ³ºÝ³Þ³ºÝ³³Ýۺݳ޳ºÝ³Ý³Þ³ºÝ³ÝÝÛ³ | ÝÛ 0 1 7 2 3 / Ý³Þ 3 7 4 9 3 0 Û³ Black Helicopter Repair Services, Ltd.| Official Proof of Purchase =========================================================================== >>>FOR THE RECORD, >>>I'm not all that thrilled with the voting record of McCain either. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Yeah, that's the ticket. Barry is his name.... SignatureScott in Florida >>>>FOR THE RECORD, >>>>I'm not all that thrilled with the voting record of McCain either. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Barry is his name.... Toilet is going to lose, neocon. Get used to it. Signaturegburnore at DataBasix dot Com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- How you look depends on where you go. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gary L. Burnore | ÝÛ³ºÝ³Þ³ºÝ³³Ýۺݳ޳ºÝ³Ý³Þ³ºÝ³ÝÝÛ³ | ÝÛ³ºÝ³Þ³ºÝ³³Ýۺݳ޳ºÝ³Ý³Þ³ºÝ³ÝÝÛ³ Official .sig, Accept no substitutes. | ÝÛ³ºÝ³Þ³ºÝ³³Ýۺݳ޳ºÝ³Ý³Þ³ºÝ³ÝÝÛ³ | ÝÛ 0 1 7 2 3 / Ý³Þ 3 7 4 9 3 0 Û³ Black Helicopter Repair Services, Ltd.| Official Proof of Purchase =========================================================================== > >>>>FOR THE RECORD, > >>>>I'm not all that thrilled with the voting record of McCain either. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Toilet is going to lose, neocon. Get used to it. Yes he will, I hope he will. I would like to see all the adult toys such as PU trucks, boats with motors, suv's, lawnmowers, leaf blowers, four wheelers, snowmobiles get the ax. They will under an Obama administration. Also, with Baracks national healthcare plan there WILL be monitoring of health habits in order to bring under control national healthcare costs, that will be a big plus, no more fat people or smokers. Obama will get us out of Iraq also, when the time is right, ;=) Rich guys and big oil look out too, as Obama will get them good, hurrah, hurrah for us little people!!! >> >>>>FOR THE RECORD, >> >>>>I'm not all that thrilled with the voting record of McCain either. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >four wheelers, snowmobiles get the ax. They will under an Obama >administration. Sorry, but no. > Also, with Baracks national healthcare plan there WILL >be monitoring of health habits in order to bring under control national >healthcare costs, that will be a big plus, no more fat people or >smokers. Yawn. Signaturegburnore at DataBasix dot Com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- How you look depends on where you go. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gary L. Burnore | ÝÛ³ºÝ³Þ³ºÝ³³Ýۺݳ޳ºÝ³Ý³Þ³ºÝ³ÝÝÛ³ | ÝÛ³ºÝ³Þ³ºÝ³³Ýۺݳ޳ºÝ³Ý³Þ³ºÝ³ÝÝÛ³ Official .sig, Accept no substitutes. | ÝÛ³ºÝ³Þ³ºÝ³³Ýۺݳ޳ºÝ³Ý³Þ³ºÝ³ÝÝÛ³ | ÝÛ 0 1 7 2 3 / Ý³Þ 3 7 4 9 3 0 Û³ Black Helicopter Repair Services, Ltd.| Official Proof of Purchase =========================================================================== In article <globalwarming-09EDA1.18113204072008@comcast.dca.giganews.com>, > > >>>>FOR THE RECORD, > > >>>>I'm not all that thrilled with the voting record of McCain either. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > Rich guys and big oil look out too, as Obama will get them good, hurrah, > hurrah for us little people!!! Yes, just look how slim and trim Barack is. He will be the model for America to slim down and cut out your nasty habits. Stop using coal and oil, they are bad for us. Obama will show us the way. Go Barack, go. In article <carpenterareus-2F0A12.18454104072008@comcast.dca.giganews.com>, > In article > <globalwarming-09EDA1.18113204072008@comcast.dca.giganews.com>, [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > America to slim down and cut out your nasty habits. Stop using coal and > oil, they are bad for us. Obama will show us the way. Go Barack, go. obama can't find himself out of the bathroom let alone "showing us the way" . What a dnc idiot you are. -- > In article > <carpenterareus-2F0A12.18454104072008@comcast.dca.giganews.com>, [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > obama can't find himself out of the bathroom let alone "showing us the > way" . What a dnc idiot you are. You had better hope you are wrong about that one! >In article ><carpenterareus-2F0A12.18454104072008@comcast.dca.giganews.com>, [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] >obama can't find himself out of the bathroom let alone "showing us the >way" . Yet he's going to win in the fall because Toilet McSame can't win. Funny, that. Signaturegburnore at DataBasix dot Com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- How you look depends on where you go. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gary L. Burnore | ÝÛ³ºÝ³Þ³ºÝ³³Ýۺݳ޳ºÝ³Ý³Þ³ºÝ³ÝÝÛ³ | ÝÛ³ºÝ³Þ³ºÝ³³Ýۺݳ޳ºÝ³Ý³Þ³ºÝ³ÝÝÛ³ Official .sig, Accept no substitutes. | ÝÛ³ºÝ³Þ³ºÝ³³Ýۺݳ޳ºÝ³Ý³Þ³ºÝ³ÝÝÛ³ | ÝÛ 0 1 7 2 3 / Ý³Þ 3 7 4 9 3 0 Û³ Black Helicopter Repair Services, Ltd.| Official Proof of Purchase =========================================================================== >McCain knows command structure far better than Obama. He knows the >implications of a command decision far better than Obama. McCain has lived >within the command structure of the military, Obama never has. McCain is/has >been on the Armed Forces Sub-Committee almost as long as he's been in the >Senate. Obama, not a day. The president doesn't select individual targets or direct the movements of individual platoons, but I'm afraid McCain has just enough military knowledge to convince himself he's a better strategic thinker than the Joint Chiefs are, which could get us into trouble, one day. The only thing McCain understands better than Obama is how difficult war is, but he didn't act that way when he voted for the Iraqi war. >>McCain knows command structure far better than Obama. He knows the >>implications of a command decision far better than Obama. McCain has lived [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >difficult war is, but he didn't act that way when he voted for the >Iraqi war. Barry Obama ran away from hard votes.... http://votepresent.com/ SignatureScott in Florida >>McCain knows command structure far better than Obama. He knows the >>implications of a command decision far better than Obama. McCain has lived [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > difficult war is, but he didn't act that way when he voted for the > Iraqi war. I think that McCain understands the command structure and is able to work within it. He understands that there is much to know and that he can't possibly know it all, and therefore must have Joint Chiefs that each know their piece inside and out. To be fair, I would suggest that Obama also knows this. I'm not sitting here selling McCain as the better man for the job. All I'm doing is pointing out that Obama's campaign staff (Wesley Clark in particular) needs to tread lightly around painting McCain as unqualified through his military service, especially since McCain has military experience and Obama does not. > I'm not sitting here selling McCain as the better man for the job. All I'm > doing is pointing out that Obama's campaign staff (Wesley Clark in > particular) needs to tread lightly around painting McCain as unqualified > through his military service, especially since McCain has military > experience and Obama does not. True. (and it is not even necessary) Everyone should sit back and just let JMac keep on switching positions and contradicting himself. It will all work out on its own without ever needing to mention military experience at all. On Jul 4, 3:19 am, "rantonr...@mail.com" <rantonr...@mail.com> wrote: > >McCain knows command structure far better than Obama. He knows the > >implications of a command decision far better than Obama. McCain has lived [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > difficult war is, but he didn't act that way when he voted for the > Iraqi war. Or voted against Vets on every bill. >On Jul 4, 3:19 am, "rantonr...@mail.com" <rantonr...@mail.com> wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Or voted against Vets on every bill. Cite... You libs have come up with another winner Big Eared Empty Suit Barry Obama and HAVE to make up charges. Remember John the traitor Kerry Al Bore and now Big Eared Empty Suit Barry Obama They are three of a kind Losers SignatureScott in Florida > >On Jul 4, 3:19 am, "rantonr...@mail.com" <rantonr...@mail.com> wrote: > >> [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Losers Good nickname for him, big ears, LOL -- >> >On Jul 4, 3:19 am, "rantonr...@mail.com" <rantonr...@mail.com> wrote: >> >> [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > >Good nickname for him, big ears, LOL How about Dumbo? SignatureScott in Florida Scott in Florida wrote: > Big Eared Empty Suit Barry Obama Big eared, monkey faced George Bush. In article <1e4318a4-0cae-41d0-9988-cf61be4e30b2@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, > Scott in Florida wrote: > > > Big Eared Empty Suit Barry Obama > > Big eared, monkey faced George Bush. I take it you're a big-ear guy? How about a big gut too, LOL -- In article <1e4318a4-0cae-41d0-9988-cf61be4e30b2@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, > Scott in Florida wrote: > > > Big Eared Empty Suit Barry Obama > > Big eared, monkey faced George Bush. But I think obama's got bigger ears. That is why he will be elected. People like big ears. -- "dbu" >> Scott in Florida wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > But I think obama's got bigger ears. That is why he will be elected. > People like big ears. Oh, come on, Deeb. I know you're way more intelligent than that. :-P Natalie > "dbu" > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Natalie Like a trout rising from the stream to an artificial fly, Natalie, LOL. I just knew sooner or later I'd get a rise out of you. I hope you had a nice weekend. -- "dbu" > "Wickeddoll®" >> > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Like a trout rising from the stream to an artificial fly, Natalie, LOL. *reel sound* > I just knew sooner or later I'd get a rise out of you. It's not easy, but it happens... > I hope you had a nice weekend. Thanks, but not really. I'm swigging GoLytely, in preparation for my repeat colonoscopy tomorrow. (they found precancerous polyps last year). Here's a tip for anyone (non-diabetic) who has to endure this: Put a teaspoon of sugar into every 8 ounces of the stuff, use a straw, and pinch your nose. I suppose a diabetic could use Splenda, or some other artificial sweetener.(smell is a *much* bigger part of eating and drinking than one might think). *raising the GoLytely glass* um...cheers. :-P Natalie >"dbu" >> "Wickeddoll®" [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > >Natalie The procedure isn't bad it's the damned prep! I hope all works out ok. SignatureScott in Florida "Scott in Florida" < "Wickeddoll®" >>"dbu" >>>> >> > Big Eared Empty Suit Barry Obama [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > I hope all works out ok. Thanks! Yeah, I've had it before - the drugs make you feel quite nice, actually LOL I figure no matter how trying the prep is, it beats colon cancer. Natalie >"Scott in Florida" < > "Wickeddoll®" [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > >Natalie My new doctor suggests taking a whole aspirin as a preventative for colon cancer. He has suggested I up my dose from 'baby' to full, while watching the bleeding. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/05/070523181650.htm SignatureScott in Florida > >"Scott in Florida" < > > "Wickeddoll®" [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/05/070523181650.htm I've been taking an aspirin and simivastatin every day for years. -- "dbu", , "Wickeddoll®" >> >>>>> >> > Big Eared Empty Suit Barry Obama >> >>>>> >> [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > > I've been taking an aspirin and simivastatin every day for years. But a full dose (325 mg) is significantly different from the 81 mg baby aspirin. Natalie > "dbu", > , "Wickeddoll®" [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > > Natalie That's what I take, 325 mg. Lately with my arm/shoulder problem I've been hitting the IBU quite a bit. -- "dbu" > "Wickeddoll®" >> >> >>>>> >> > Big Eared Empty Suit Barry Obama [quoted text clipped - 78 lines] > That's what I take, 325 mg. Lately with my arm/shoulder problem I've > been hitting the IBU quite a bit. Does your doc know you're doing that? I was always taught never to mix NSAIDs (non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs) Natalie > "dbu" > > "Wickeddoll®" [quoted text clipped - 84 lines] > > Natalie Yes. The Zocor (simivastatin) is for my cholesterol problem. I don't take aspirin if I take IBUprofen, in a day. IBU thins the blood too. -- "dbu" <, > "Wickeddoll®" >> >> >> >>>>> >> > Big Eared Empty Suit Barry Obama [quoted text clipped - 92 lines] > Yes. The Zocor (simivastatin) is for my cholesterol problem. I don't > take aspirin if I take IBUprofen, in a day. IBU thins the blood too. Er... I know that. I was just hoping *you* did. Natalie > "dbu" <, > > "Wickeddoll®" [quoted text clipped - 97 lines] > > Natalie My blood flows like water, LOL. -- >> "dbu" <, >> > "Wickeddoll®" [quoted text clipped - 110 lines] > > My blood flows like water, LOL. Ah, that explains it. > >> "dbu" <, > >> > "Wickeddoll®" [quoted text clipped - 112 lines] > > Ah, that explains it. Explains what? Never mind. -- >> >> "dbu" <, >> >> > "Wickeddoll®" [quoted text clipped - 122 lines] > > Explains what? Never mind. your brain issues > >> >> "dbu" <, > >> >> > "Wickeddoll®" [quoted text clipped - 124 lines] > > your brain issues They're pretty damn good aren't they. I'm firing on all 16 cylinders and going like hell. -- >> >> >> "dbu" <, >> >> >> > "Wickeddoll®" [quoted text clipped - 137 lines] > They're pretty damn good aren't they. I'm firing on all 16 cylinders > and going like hell. "like" or "to"? lol! > >> >> >> "dbu" <, > >> >> >> > "Wickeddoll®" [quoted text clipped - 140 lines] > > "like" or "to"? lol! You a smart-a.s. Are you ready to give up your pickup truck for a roller skate? -- >> >> >> >> "dbu" <, >> >> >> >> > "Wickeddoll®" [quoted text clipped - 158 lines] > > Are you ready to give up your pickup truck for a roller skate? Already have. I have been driving a Honda Fit since March. 33 to 36 mpg buddy! > >> >> >> >> "dbu" <, > >> >> >> >> > "Wickeddoll®" [quoted text clipped - 162 lines] > Already have. I have been driving a Honda Fit since March. 33 to 36 mpg > buddy! I'm glad for you. How do you like it? How's the ride and did you get rid of that pickup truck. You're getting 8 mpg better than I am with my 04 Sienna. -- >> >> >> >> >> "dbu" <, >> >> >> >> >> > "Wickeddoll®" [quoted text clipped - 176 lines] > rid of that pickup truck. You're getting 8 mpg better than I am with my > 04 Sienna. Great little car! I bought it when I saw the writing on the wall re: gas prices. I got it for invoice from the same guy my wife bought her Accord from last winter. Now the dealers want over MSRP for them and are getting it! BTW it is a Honda Fit Sport automatic in Blackberry Pearl. I opted for the auto because the auto vs. manual mpg difference is negligible. I am amazed at how smooth, quiet, and peppy it is for a little car. It is very roomy inside and has amazing seating/cargo configurations. I am getting a little tired of my fellow drivers however. I already have one hell of a door bang on the passenger side rear door and someone put several scratches on the drivers side corner of my rear bumper apparently trying to parallel park behind me. Grrrrrr.... Still have the pickup, though I only take it out for a spin every couple of weeks to keep the juices flowing. > >> >> >> >> >> "dbu" <, > >> >> >> >> >> > "Wickeddoll®" [quoted text clipped - 193 lines] > Still have the pickup, though I only take it out for a spin every couple of > weeks to keep the juices flowing. Good!! While getting my sienna's oil changed at the Toyota dealer I happened into the showroom and spotted the Scion, which is a boxy looking thing. I opened the door and was immediately impressed with the room and comfort of the seats. With the back seats folded down I could almost lay down and take a snooze. Very nice vehicle. Don't know how the gas milage is, but I'd almost bet it's better than my Sienna at 25-28 mpg. I'm concerned about the ride, with the short WB. -- "Truckdude" > Great little car! I bought it when I saw the writing on the wall re: gas > prices. I got it for invoice from the same guy my wife bought her Accord [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Still have the pickup, though I only take it out for a spin every couple > of weeks to keep the juices flowing. I thought the mileage on that car would be much better than my Echo, but it's worse? My Echo gets about 34-37 city, and hovers around 40 highway. Why is the Fit so much lower? Natalie > Already have. I have been driving a Honda Fit since March. 33 to 36 mpg > buddy! I'm a bit interested in this... my mother might get a new car, to replace her '00 (Subaru Impreza wagon). She'd stopped at the Honda dealership & said she loved the CR-V. Based on what sort of preferences she has, I got her a slew of brochures (my father's always bought their cars, & she admits to knowing nothing about car purchasing) for the Toyota Matrix & RAV4, Honda Fit & CR-V, Subaru Outback... After I looking through the brochures, she thought maybe the Fit was up her alley - good MPG prob. had something to do with it. But the main thing she wants - besides wagon/hatchback styling, is that driver's position be up high. My Corolla sits fairly high & so I know the Matrix does, but how about the Fit?? Cathy > > Already have. I have been driving a Honda Fit since March. 33 to 36 mpg > > buddy! [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Cathy I hope to buy a 2009 Honda Fit. When I looked at one a few months ago I felt like I sat higher than in my 1998 Accord. On Jul 9, 8:02 pm, "Cathy F." <clfrc...@adelphiadotdashdot.net> wrote: > "Truckdude" <sh...@thedeecider.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Cathy I hope to buy a 2009 Honda Fit. When I looked at one a few months ago I felt like I sat higher than in my 1998 Accord. Okay, thanks. Cathy On Jul 9, 8:02 pm, "Cathy F." <clfrc...@adelphiadotdashdot.net> wrote: > "Truckdude" <sh...@thedeecider.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Cathy I hope to buy a 2009 Honda Fit. When I looked at one a few months ago I felt like I sat higher than in my 1998 Accord. For me it was all about timing and beating the rush. I had considered waiting for the '09 too, but back in March there was not a rush for small cars yet, and they were already predicting the gas prices we have now. Who knows how much the price will be for a new model, in addition to the high demand for small cars in general. BTW, I do sit higher in my Fit than in my wife's '07 Accord. > On Jul 9, 8:02 pm, "Cathy F." <clfrc...@adelphiadotdashdot.net> wrote: >> "Truckdude" <sh...@thedeecider.com> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > high demand for small cars in general. BTW, I do sit higher in my Fit > than in my wife's '07 Accord. Thanks. That's 2 "yes, it sits higher" replies, which would keep it in the potential running. Cathy >> Already have. I have been driving a Honda Fit since March. 33 to 36 mpg >> buddy! [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > wagon/hatchback styling, is that driver's position be up high. My Corolla > sits fairly high & so I know the Matrix does, but how about the Fit?? Clarification: My '04 Corolla, that is. The previous ones didn't. Cathy >> Already have. I have been driving a Honda Fit since March. 33 to 36 mpg >> buddy! [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Cathy I replaced a 98 Camry with a 2008 Honda Fit. Feels like I'm sitting higher in the Fit, could just be the extra greenbacks in my wallet when I leave the gas pump. 10.8 gallon tank & 32+ MPG 60-40 hwy-city. MPG still improving with 3700 miles on the car. Really like the fact that it's standard package included all the options that were extra in the Yaris that I looked at. Bob >>> Already have. I have been driving a Honda Fit since March. 33 to 36 >>> mpg [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Really like the fact that it's standard package included all the > options that were extra in the Yaris that I looked at. Thanks for the info. Cathy > Bob >>> Already have. I have been driving a Honda Fit since March. 33 to 36 >>> mpg [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Bob -Yeah, I actually feel a little bit of pity for the SUV owner pumping gas on the other side of the pump. - I found it amazing how much mpg increased after the first 3000 miles. - Power windows, remote keyless entry, and all the cargo/passenger room! "Scott in Florida" "Wickeddoll®" >>>>"dbu" >>>>>> >> > Big Eared Empty Suit Barry Obama [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/05/070523181650.htm That may work, but then you have other problems with aspirin, such as excessive blood thinning and (in my case) stomach problems. Natalie > "dbu" >> I hope you had a nice weekend. > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > :-P Oh, yum.... Good luck with the procedure tomorrow. I didn't mind the clean-out process quite as much as I thought I would. What I really did mind was going w/out food (Jell-O & Popsicles do -not- count as food!) for 30 hours! People had recommended, "Schedule it for early-to-mid morning, so you don't have to go hungry any longer than necessary. Except the doctor I had my appt. with doesn't even start colonoscopies until 12:30 (I think he does all office calls in the mornings), & they were running behind by over 2 hours the day I had mine... Cathy > Natalie "Cathy F." ... > "Wickeddoll®"... >> "dbu" [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Cathy Yeah, mine only does them in the afternoon, too. I'm dying to sink my teeth into some real food, but I'll be good! Natalie > "Cathy F." ... >> >> "Wickeddoll®"... >>> *raising the GoLytely glass* >>> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Yeah, mine only does them in the afternoon, too. I'm dying to sink my > teeth into some real food, but I'll be good! Yeah, the alternative of still not being properly prepped... :-( I brought a Baggie of snacks in my purse to eat as soon as I woke up. (I figured they'd have something to snack on during recovery, but the something turned out to be those little cellophane wrapped packs of 2 saltine crackers... which didn't quite cut it!) Cathy "Cathy F."... > "Wickeddoll®" > >>>> *raising the GoLytely glass* [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Cathy Well I drank about a half gallon of it today. I'm gonna have to polish the rest off in the morning (not what they wanted me to do). I just couldn't chug anymore of it down without barfing. Natalie >"Cathy F." ... >> [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > >Natalie Just think how damned good that first meal will be! SignatureScott in Florida "Scott in Florida" "Wickeddoll®" >>>"Cathy F." ... >>>> "dbu" [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Just think how damned good that first meal will be! Big, greasy Wendy's Double burger. Natalie > "Scott in Florida" > "Wickeddoll®" [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > Natalie with or without bacon and cheese? -- "dbu" >> "Scott in Florida" >> >>>"Cathy F." ... [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > with or without bacon and cheese? Actually, I opted for a Jersey Mike's Big Kahuna: http://www.jerseymikes.com/menu.asp But since I barfed up the apple juice they gave me post-procedure, I'll have to wait a bit before I tear into it. :-P Natalie > "dbu" > > [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > > Natalie I envy you, but I don't eat any fast foods. Would not make much sense to eat stuff that makes cholesterol go up when I'm trying to keep it down with meds. BTW, I do work out every day, run, walk for a total of five plus miles and watch what I eat. Been doing this for years. My father had his first heart attack at age 49. It runs in the family. I want to be around for a few more years to keep jsb busy. -- "dbu" > "Wickeddoll®" < >> >> "Scott in Florida" [quoted text clipped - 73 lines] > father had his first heart attack at age 49. It runs in the family. I > want to be around for a few more years to keep jsb busy. Smart man. I don't eat fast food very often, but after existing on Jell-O, popsicles and apple juice the past couple of days, I want something sinful. Hyperlipidemia is one of the few metabolic disorders I *don't* have. :-P Natalie >"Scott in Florida" > "Wickeddoll®" [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > >Natalie AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Good job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Every time I go to St Petersburg, I stop at Skyway Jack's for a 'Jack' burger. EXCELLENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SignatureScott in Florida > "dbu" > > "Wickeddoll®" [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > Natalie Ugly stuff, but good tip. Is it fleet stuff? I hope everything goes ok. I had one of those ten years ago and I'm due again, but I'm delaying it. Everytime I go to mychart it ding-dongs with a red reminder. -- "dbu" >> >> >> Scott in Florida wrote: >> >> >> [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > delaying it. Everytime I go to mychart it ding-dongs with a red > reminder. My doctor is a little OCD about prep. I had to drink a 10-oz bottle of magnesium citrate, a gallon of GoLytely, and 4 Dulcolax tablets! Why not just put C-4 up my butt? :-P Natalie > My doctor is a little OCD about prep. I had to drink a 10-oz bottle of > magnesium citrate, a gallon of GoLytely, and 4 Dulcolax tablets! OMG - you were supposed to drink all of that - about 17 glassfuls - in one evening?!? No wonder you couldn't finish it! My prep was split between the evening before & the morning of, & although I don't remember how many glassfuls - each "x" minutes apart - were prescribed, it wasn't nearly as much as what you were supposed to down. (Different stuff, too.) But it was still difficult to get it all down without feeling like throwing up. Cathy "Cathy F." ... > "Wickeddoll®" ... > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Cathy Was it "NuLytely"? That's what I actually drank, and I did it the way *you described*. I just couldn't get it all down last night. After a while, the sugar stopped making it palatable, so I hit on another idea, that I wish I'd thought of yesterday: Put "ReaLemon" into it. Yes, that makes it more bitter, but it also changes the consistency from being slimy to more like water. It occured to me that the taste of it wasn't the problem; it was the texture of it (like I was swallowing someone else's spit). I downed the rest of it *very* quickly this morning. *hits self on forehead* Should have thought of that sooner! :-P Natalie, still doing the toilet tango > "Cathy F." ... >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> too.) But it was still difficult to get it all down without feeling like >> throwing up. > Was it "NuLytely"? That's what I actually drank, and I did it the way > *you described*. I just couldn't get it all down last night. After a [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Should have thought of that sooner! No, mine was a little bottle of Fleet that was mixed a tiny bit at a time into a cup of water - or soda. I used soda... ginger ale or 7-Up, IIRC? (So I can see where adding the sugar & lemon juice to your concoction would help.) It didn't taste too horrible, but was slightly slimy. More to the point, was more & more disgusting - & terribly filling - as one drank each succeeding cupful. > :-P > > Natalie, still doing the toilet tango As long as the tango music's finished before your appt. ;-P Cathy >>> "Wickeddoll®" ... >>> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > the point, was more & more disgusting - & terribly filling - as one drank > each succeeding cupful. Ewwww Fleet Phospho-Soda?! That stuff made me gag even more! *Nothing* made that crap taste any better! >> :-P >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Cathy Nope, I was pooping up until I was wheeled into the procedure room. He found 8 polyps, so I'm waiting to see if any of them are cancerous. *sigh* Natalie >> No, mine was a little bottle of Fleet that was mixed a tiny bit at a time >> into a cup of water - or soda. I used soda... ginger ale or 7-Up, IIRC? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Ewwww Fleet Phospho-Soda?! Yeah, I think so. Sounds right. Clear stuff, small bottle. Undiluted, it must be horrible. Mixed a tad (.5 oz??) at a time, in a cup of soda (pop), was okay. The first cup of the stuff was fine, the second... getting a bit 'old' but still not too awful, by the 3rd or 4th cups - after the prescribed too-short intervals of time since the last downings of the stuff, I really wasn't too enthused about it... ;-) That stuff made me gag even more! *Nothing* > made that crap taste any better! >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> >> As long as the tango music's finished before your appt. ;-P > Nope, I was pooping up until I was wheeled into the procedure room. Not my idea of fun.... He > found 8 polyps, so I'm waiting to see if any of them are cancerous. > > *sigh* He snipped them all out, right? Hopefully, they'll all be benign; but if not, at least they're history/gone/out of there. Cathy > >>> "Wickeddoll®" ... > >>> [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > Natalie Eight in one year?? What is causing this? -- "dbu"... >> "Cathy F." >> >>> [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > > Eight in one year?? What is causing this? I wish I knew. He only found 2 last year, that were precancerous. I could use some prayers. Natalie >"dbu"... >> [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] > >Natalie You have them.... SignatureScott in Florida "Scott in Florida" "Wickeddoll®" >>"dbu"... >>>> "Cathy F." [quoted text clipped - 76 lines] > > You have them.... Thanks! Natalie > "dbu"... > > [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] > > Natalie You can count on me. I pray, we've been though the cancer thing twice here in this household. We are like the timex watch and I pray you will be too. -- "dbu" > "Wickeddoll®" >> >> "Cathy F." [quoted text clipped - 83 lines] > here in this household. We are like the timex watch and I pray you will > be too. Thanks, the sequel! Natalie > "dbu" > >> >> > [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > > Natalie The mag. cit. isn't as bad as the Fleet stuff. -- "dbu" > "Wickeddoll®" >> >> >> > [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > > The mag. cit. isn't as bad as the Fleet stuff. Oh hell, no - Fleet's Phospho-Soda is HEINOUSLY nasty-tasting. There's apparently not a damned thing you can do to keep if from being extremely bitter-tasting. Natalie >"dbu" >>> >> > [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > >Natalie He has you do it from the top end........ SignatureScott in Florida "Scott in Florida" "Wickeddoll®" >>"dbu" >>>> >> > [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > > He has you do it from the top end........ *backing away slowly...no sudden moves* Natalie >"dbu" >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Oh, come on, Deeb. I know you're way more intelligent than that. Hardly. Signaturegburnore at DataBasix dot Com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- How you look depends on where you go. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gary L. Burnore | ÝÛ³ºÝ³Þ³ºÝ³³Ýۺݳ޳ºÝ³Ý³Þ³ºÝ³ÝÝÛ³ | ÝÛ³ºÝ³Þ³ºÝ³³Ýۺݳ޳ºÝ³Ý³Þ³ºÝ³ÝÝÛ³ Official .sig, Accept no substitutes. | ÝÛ³ºÝ³Þ³ºÝ³³Ýۺݳ޳ºÝ³Ý³Þ³ºÝ³ÝÝÛ³ | ÝÛ 0 1 7 2 3 / Ý³Þ 3 7 4 9 3 0 Û³ Black Helicopter Repair Services, Ltd.| Official Proof of Purchase =========================================================================== > > U. S. Grant-- great military leader, weak POUS. > > F.D.R-- No military experience, Great war time leader [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I'm not suggesting the McCain will be a good leader, I'm suggesting that > Obama should not be point to McCain's military record as weak, He didn't. > and inferring at the same time that his own record is somehow strong by contrast. He neither inferred nor implied that. At least McCain and Obama don't think that giving up golf is a great personal sacrifice and a way to honor the troops. I'm glad this era is going to end in January. >> > U. S. Grant-- great military leader, weak POUS. >> > F.D.R-- No military experience, Great war time leader [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >personal sacrifice and a way to honor the troops. I'm glad this era >is going to end in January. I think giving up golf speaks very highly of the character of our great President George W. Bush. Do you think he should be playing golf while we are at war? or do you think he should be having sex in the Oral Office while on duty? SignatureScott in Florida > or do you think he should be having sex in the Oral Office while on > duty? Absolutely. Every single day, if it's OK with his dog. It'll keep him out of trouble. >> or do you think he should be having sex in the Oral Office while on >> duty? > >Absolutely. Every single day, if it's OK with his dog. It'll keep him out of >trouble. A little early to be on the drugs, don't ya think, Dougie? SignatureScott in Florida Scott in Florida wrote: > A little early to be on the drugs, don't ya think, Dougie? For you? Of course not. Snort away, Pip Scott. Scott in Florida wrote: > > At least McCain and Obama don't think that giving up golf is a great > > personal sacrifice and a way to honor the troops. I'm glad this era > > is going to end in January. > > I think giving up golf speaks very highly of the character of our > great President George W. Bush. That's because you're his bitch. > Do you think he should be playing golf while we are at war? The sad thing is that GW Bush probably thinks he really is making a sacrifice for the troops by not playing golf. Rich, priviledged brats can have a really warped view of the world. > or do you think he should be having sex in the Oral Office while on duty? At least he'd be working then. Reportedly, GW Bush has instead favored the White House gym for his sexual activity, and not with Laura. You have to do better, Pip Scott. > <edspyhil...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Okay, maybe he did not denegrate McCain's service, but he did say that > McCain's service is too shallow to give him Command Experience, No, Wesley Clark said his military experience did not make him better qualified for president. I have heard the full exchange at least 5 times and that was all he said. Wesley Clark has said that a few times in the past 6 months. > I would not expect anybody from the Obama camp to be raising military > service as an issue in this campaign. I was completely surprised when Kerry was swift-boated after actually serving in combat in Vietnam while Dubya was given a complete free pass for not even finishing his NG service. But the republicans always insult and denigrate vets, whether it's John Kerry, John McCain, Max Cleland, or anyone else that is a true hero. Ed S. > But the republicans > always insult and denigrate vets, whether it's John Kerry No, just idiots. Move to Massachusetts for more info on John Kerry... >Dubya was given a complete free >pass for not even finishing his NG service. Our great president George W. Bush received an honorable discharge from the Air National Guard. pssssssssssssssssst You don't receive an honorable discharge if you don't finish your obligation.... SignatureScott in Florida I'll contribute a bit to Kerry mess. I am still waiting to see his complete military record that shows how he got out of Nam in a few weeks after his "wounds". Hell, it took the Army (was the navy faster?) 5 or 6 weeks to get us with clearances "re-cleared" when we changed posts. Course I didn't drive a boat, I just did cryptography. Ron >>Dubya was given a complete free >>pass for not even finishing his NG service. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > pssssssssssssssssst You don't receive an honorable discharge if you > don't finish your obligation.... I think Kerry got an 'other than honorable' discharge. Carter upped it to honorable. Kerry is a traitor. He lied to Congress about our soldiers in Viet Nam. >I'll contribute a bit to Kerry mess. I am still waiting to see his complete >military record that shows how he got out of Nam in a few weeks after his [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> don't finish your obligation.... >> SignatureScott in Florida Scott in Florida wrote: >I think Kerry got an 'other than honorable' discharge. > >Carter upped it to honorable. His first and only discharge was honorable. >Kerry is a traitor. Something tells me your duty never involved the danger that Kerry experienced in Vietnam. Is it wrong to assume you've never been under fire? >He lied to Congress about our soldiers in Viet Nam. He told the truth but gave some people the impression that far more American soldiers were involved in war crimes than actually were. Those people should have listened more carefully, but also he should have been more considerate. And you shouldn't have lied about John Kerry, as you just did. >Scott in Florida wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> >His first and only discharge was honorable. That is not true... >>Kerry is a traitor. >> >Something tells me your duty never involved the danger that Kerry >experienced in Vietnam. Is it wrong to assume you've never been under >fire? I never went in front of Congress and lied about our troops on the front line. Kerry the traitor did. >>He lied to Congress about our soldiers in Viet Nam. >> >He told the truth but gave some people the impression that far more >American soldiers were involved in war crimes than actually were. That simply is a LIE. He lied to congress about our troops. The Swift Boat Vets told the truth and the liar did not become president. >Those people should have listened more carefully, but also he should >have been more considerate. And you shouldn't have lied about John >Kerry, as you just did. I have NEVER lied about John the traitor Kerry. SignatureScott in Florida > On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 00:28:42 -0700 (PDT), "rantonr...@mail.com" > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > I have NEVER lied about John the traitorKerry. And if you did, well :) I just spent a week in Orlando, by the way. Was I close? Doug Reese > -- > > Scott in Florida > On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 10:13:57 -0700 (PDT), "edspyhil...@yahoo.com" > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Scott in Florida Are you that naive? Let's hope it is naivete. >> On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 10:13:57 -0700 (PDT), "edspyhil...@yahoo.com" >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Are you that naive? Let's hope it is naivete. http://www.expertlaw.com/library/employment/sexual_harassment.html Honorable. The Honorable characterization is appropriate when the quality of the member's service generally has met the standards of acceptable conduct and performance of duty for military personnel, or is otherwise so meritorious that any other characterization would be clearly inappropriate. (For example, a Medal of Honor recipient would almost always receive an Honorable Discharge, unless he/she was involved in the most serious of misconduct). In the case of an Honorable Discharge, an Honorable Discharge Certificate (DD Form 256) is awarded and a notation is made on the appropriate copies of The DD Form 214/5. SignatureScott in Florida > On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 14:45:42 -0700 (PDT), "edspyhil...@yahoo.com" > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Then Bushie should not have been given an Honorable Discharge. Bushie is an elitist with severe emotional problems compounded by being coddled by his family. On Jul 3, 6:16 pm, Scott in Florida <Mov...@outa.here> wrote: > On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 14:45:42 -0700 (PDT), "edspyhil...@yahoo.com" > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Then Bushie should not have been given an Honorable Discharge. Bushie is an elitist with severe emotional problems compounded by being coddled by his family. =============== http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/Drugs/story?id=3985919&page=1 >On Jul 3, 6:16 pm, Scott in Florida <Mov...@outa.here> wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >is an elitist with severe emotional problems compounded by being >coddled by his family. That would have saved us a great deal of trouble and lives. His father should have abandoned him the first time he was arrested for drugs, then maybe he would have grown up or at least have no chance in politics. >>On Jul 3, 6:16 pm, Scott in Florida <Mov...@outa.here> wrote: >>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >drugs, then maybe he would have grown up or at least have no chance in >politics. ROFLMAO Beaten and bitter lib.... SignatureScott in Florida >On Jul 3, 6:16 pm, Scott in Florida <Mov...@outa.here> wrote: >> On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 14:45:42 -0700 (PDT), "edspyhil...@yahoo.com" [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > >http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/Drugs/story?id=3985919&page=1 That has nothing to do with it, Dougie.... SignatureScott in Florida >> On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 14:45:42 -0700 (PDT), "edspyhil...@yahoo.com" >> [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] >is an elitist with severe emotional problems compounded by being >coddled by his family. Our great President Geoge W. Bush earned and was given an honorable discharge. Period. SignatureScott in Florida >>> On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 14:45:42 -0700 (PDT), "edspyhil...@yahoo.com" >>> [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > Period. Ed Syphillis is just slipping into dementia from his disease. > Ed Syphillis is just slipping into dementia from his disease. And Charles The 50-Year-Old Virgin remains perfectly sane, as always. >>> On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 14:45:42 -0700 (PDT), "edspyhil...@yahoo.com" >>> [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > Period. "Given" is the key word. "Earned"?? Glad I wasn't drinking something.... > On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 21:07:13 -0700 (PDT), "edspyhil...@yahoo.com" > [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Keep repeating the big lie until you convince yourself Dubya served his country. He didn't. >> On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 21:07:13 -0700 (PDT), "edspyhil...@yahoo.com" >> [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] >Keep repeating the big lie until you convince yourself Dubya served >his country. He didn't. Let's see You guys have another winner on your hands.... Barry empty suit Obama and MUST bring up lies about our great president George W. Bush Your list of losers is pretty full John the traitor Kerry Al Bore and now.... Barry empty suit Obama SignatureScott in Florida > On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 20:17:11 -0700 (PDT), "edspyhil...@yahoo.com" > [quoted text clipped - 85 lines] > > - Show quoted text - . You mean: "...bring up Bush's lies..." Yes. Kerry did something you and Dubya never did - actually fought in combat and got shot at. You are still an embarrassing spokesperson for the republican party. Scott in Florida wrote: >pssssssssssssssssst You don't receive an honorable discharge if you >don't finish your obligation.... But you can put in much less than a full effort and still receive an honorable discharge. >Scott in Florida wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >But you can put in much less than a full effort and still receive an >honorable discharge. cite..... SignatureScott in Florida >>Scott in Florida wrote: >>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > cite..... Describe the type(s) of cite(s) you'd accept, and you might actually get one. > "Scott in Florida" <Mov...@outa.here> wrote in messagenews:9qbs64dv9kt0s3a9h7jk08u8sfhr24hdi5@4ax.com... > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Don't waste your time. >> You rightwingnuts always misunderstand plain English. Nobody >> diminished or denigrated McSame's war record. > > You mean, nobody except Wesley Clark, right? Maybe he meant Wesley Clark is a Nobody... >>>You rightwingnuts always misunderstand plain English. Nobody >>>diminished or denigrated McSame's war record. >> >>You mean, nobody except Wesley Clark, right? > >Maybe he meant Wesley Clark is a Nobody... Show some respect for a person who risked his life in war for your country. In article <f455b9bb-87fd-4233-aaec-0ff9b15dac12@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, > You rightwingnuts always misunderstand plain English. Nobody > diminished or denigrated McSame's war record. general fucx-up clark did, but I don't remember anyone else bringing up the subject at least on the Republican side. Kerry is the one who started it back in the last election. -- > In article > <f455b9bb-87fd-4233-aaec-0ff9b15da...@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > started it back in the last election. > -- Classic - blame the victim. Let's just repeat history. |
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