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dbu - 11 Aug 2008 15:43 GMT "Aides Say She Would Have Won Iowa if Edwards Affair was Exposed"
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"Sen. Hillary Clinton would be the Democratic presidential nominee if John Edwards had been caught in his lie about an extramarital affair and forced out of the race last year, insists a top Clinton campaign aide, making a charge that could exacerbate previously existing tensions between the camps of Clinton and Sen. Barack Obama. " --
Hachiroku ハチロク - 11 Aug 2008 16:40 GMT > "Aides Say She Would Have Won Iowa if Edwards Affair was Exposed" > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > making a charge that could exacerbate previously existing tensions > between the camps of Clinton and Sen. Barack Obama. " Too bad they can't keep their pants zipped.
At least they do it with women... (Barney Frank excluded...)
dbu - 11 Aug 2008 17:07 GMT > > "Aides Say She Would Have Won Iowa if Edwards Affair was Exposed" > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > At least they do it with women... (Barney Frank excluded...) I'm not sure if this is a blessing or a curse. Who would be easier to beat, obama or billary. --
mack - 11 Aug 2008 17:48 GMT >> > "Aides Say She Would Have Won Iowa if Edwards Affair was Exposed" >> > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > I'm not sure if this is a blessing or a curse. Who would be easier to > beat, obama or billary. Probably neither one would be easy, and lots of people would say impossible to beat, given the record of the Bush administration. A Republican would likely have to be able to walk on water and raise the dead to overcome the stigma of Bush.
badgolferman - 11 Aug 2008 19:57 GMT >>>> "Aides Say She Would Have Won Iowa if Edwards Affair was >>>>Exposed" [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >Republican would likely have to be able to walk on water and raise >the dead to overcome the stigma of Bush. By your definition that means Congress will be replaced in November also, after all they have a lower favorable rating than President Bush.
mack - 11 Aug 2008 22:09 GMT >>>>> "Aides Say She Would Have Won Iowa if Edwards Affair was >>>>>Exposed" [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > By your definition that means Congress will be replaced in November > also, after all they have a lower favorable rating than President Bush. Any congress which does nothing is a blessing (and a moneysaver). There's nothing incorrect about saying that this congress has been as worthwhile as a pinch of vinegar dust....the rusty looking stuff that sometimes is seen around the cap of an old vinegar bottle.
Hachiroku ハチロク - 12 Aug 2008 14:04 GMT >>>>>> "Aides Say She Would Have Won Iowa if Edwards Affair was >>>>>>Exposed" [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > a pinch of vinegar dust....the rusty looking stuff that sometimes is seen > around the cap of an old vinegar bottle. They pissed off the Japanese, they pissed off the Turks, they pissed off the Koreans (who they were trying to 'help' when they pissed off the Japs) and they took off instead of voting.
No, definitely *not* a blessing. They're waiting for a Democrat (they may settle for McCain) before they do anything so they can ram social and feel-good programs through unhindered. That's even worse.
Scott in Florida - 11 Aug 2008 22:35 GMT On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:40:07 -0400, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno@e86.GTS> wrote:
>> "Aides Say She Would Have Won Iowa if Edwards Affair was Exposed" >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >At least they do it with women... (Barney Frank excluded...) Barney Frank is the only 'gay' Dim?
I'd be willing to bet a half million.....
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Hachiroku ハチロク - 12 Aug 2008 14:01 GMT On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:35:26 -0400, Scott in Florida wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:40:07 -0400, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno@e86.GTS> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > I'd be willing to bet a half million..... don't start that again...
Scott in Florida - 12 Aug 2008 22:46 GMT On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:01:30 -0400, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno@e86.GTS> wrote:
>On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:35:26 -0400, Scott in Florida wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >don't start that again... why not...it was fun the first two times I won...
btw I only bet on sure things as Dougie and his guy pal found out.
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Mike hunt - 12 Aug 2008 23:55 GMT How about, I bet you your paycheck?
> On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:35:26 -0400, Scott in Florida wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > don't start that again... Hachiroku ハチロク - 13 Aug 2008 18:27 GMT > How about, I bet you your paycheck? Well, that's better!
No.
>> On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:35:26 -0400, Scott in Florida wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >> >> don't start that again... badgolferman - 11 Aug 2008 17:50 GMT >"Aides Say She Would Have Won Iowa if Edwards Affair was Exposed" > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >aide, making a charge that could exacerbate previously existing >tensions between the camps of Clinton and Sen. Barack Obama. " It's George W. Bush's fault, it's George W. Bush's fault!!!
tak - 11 Aug 2008 21:34 GMT >>"Aides Say She Would Have Won Iowa if Edwards Affair was Exposed" >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > It's George W. Bush's fault, it's George W. Bush's fault!!! Great going, BGM. You've seen the light.
dbu - 11 Aug 2008 22:24 GMT > >>"Aides Say She Would Have Won Iowa if Edwards Affair was Exposed" > >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > > Great going, BGM. You've seen the light. He's kidding little one. --
mack - 11 Aug 2008 23:49 GMT >> >>"Aides Say She Would Have Won Iowa if Edwards Affair was Exposed" >> >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > He's kidding little one. No s**t, Sherlock?
tak - 12 Aug 2008 00:38 GMT >>> >>"Aides Say She Would Have Won Iowa if Edwards Affair was Exposed" >>> >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > No s**t, Sherlock? You have to hand it to Dbu, he's about as good at recognizing banter as he is at understanding American Politics.
Truckdude - 12 Aug 2008 05:45 GMT >>>> >>"Aides Say She Would Have Won Iowa if Edwards Affair was Exposed" >>>> >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > You have to hand it to Dbu, he's about as good at recognizing banter as he > is at understanding American Politics. Hey! No picking on ADDbu!!
tak - 12 Aug 2008 13:04 GMT >>>>> >>"Aides Say She Would Have Won Iowa if Edwards Affair was Exposed" >>>>> >> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Hey! No picking on ADDbu!! ADHDbu?
dbu - 12 Aug 2008 14:16 GMT > >>>>> >>"Aides Say She Would Have Won Iowa if Edwards Affair was Exposed" > >>>>> >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > > ADHDbu? truk is picking his nose again. --
Wickeddoll® - 12 Aug 2008 16:31 GMT "dbu"
> "tak" > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > truk is picking his nose again. For you, Deeb:
http://cagle.com/working/080811/garymccoy.jpg
:-D Natalie
dbu - 12 Aug 2008 20:38 GMT > "dbu" > > "tak" [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > Natalie I'm a compassionate conservative and feeling rEEEally sorry for edwards, even sorryer than he is feeling. --
Wickeddoll® - 12 Aug 2008 23:03 GMT "dbu"
> "Wickeddoll®" >> > "tak" [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > I'm a compassionate conservative and feeling rEEEally sorry for edwards, > even sorryer than he is feeling. Assuming you're not being facetious, why would you feel sorry for him? I sure don't. I feel sorry for his wife.
Natalie
dbu - 12 Aug 2008 23:18 GMT > "dbu" > > "Wickeddoll®" [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > Natalie I am being somewhat flippant. --
Wickeddoll® - 12 Aug 2008 15:35 GMT "tak" ...
> "Truckdude" >>> "mack" ... [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >> > ADHDbu? I think that means, "Attention Deficit Dbu"?
Natalie
tak - 12 Aug 2008 15:52 GMT > "tak" ... >> [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Natalie Agreed. I just wanted hyperactivity included. He's so active.
Cathy F. - 12 Aug 2008 18:00 GMT > "tak" ... >> [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > I think that means, "Attention Deficit Dbu"? Attention deficit hyperactive dbu. If just ADDbu, he'd be staring off into space for most of the time instead of posting. ;-)
Cathy
> Natalie tak - 12 Aug 2008 23:49 GMT >> "tak" ... >>> [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > Cathy Good plan, Cathy, can you get some Ritalin for him?>
>> Natalie Cathy F. - 13 Aug 2008 00:32 GMT >>> "tak" ... >>>> [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] >> > Good plan, Cathy, can you get some Ritalin for him?> But the Ritalin - or Adderall - or whatever med was used - would also combat ADD, so... well, he'd still be posting instead of staring off into space. OTOH, probably not posting as often, since the fingers wouldn't feel the need to fiddle with the keyboard as much. And maybe w/more logic, since thoughts could go from their beginnings all the way to their conclusions instead of getting hi-jacked partway through.
Cathy
P.S. But all a moot point, since no, no access to the stuff. ;-)
>>> Natalie tak - 13 Aug 2008 01:07 GMT >>>> "tak" ... >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > > P.S. But all a moot point, since no, no access to the stuff. ;-) There is another possible explaintion, but no, we mustn't tamper with his self-esteem, right?
Cathy F. - 13 Aug 2008 01:14 GMT >>>>> "tak" ... >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > There is another possible explaintion, but no, we mustn't tamper with his > self-esteem, right? Right.
Cathy
Truckdude - 12 Aug 2008 16:56 GMT >>>>>> >>"Aides Say She Would Have Won Iowa if Edwards Affair was Exposed" >>>>>> >> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >> > ADHDbu? Could be, but we really can't tell if his is hyperactive or not. OTOH, he has removed all doubt about the attention deficit disorder.
dbu - 12 Aug 2008 11:53 GMT > >>> >>"Aides Say She Would Have Won Iowa if Edwards Affair was Exposed" > >>> >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > You have to hand it to Dbu, he's about as good at recognizing banter as he > is at understanding American Politics. I don't banter. This is serious stuff. --
Cathy F. - 12 Aug 2008 00:51 GMT >> >>"Aides Say She Would Have Won Iowa if Edwards Affair was Exposed" >> >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > He's kidding little one. No kidding. Guess what? So was tak.
Cathy
badgolferman - 12 Aug 2008 02:04 GMT > > It's George W. Bush's fault, it's George W. Bush's fault!!! > > > Great going, BGM. You've seen the light. I'm glad you see GWB has so much power that he has the Democrats wrapped around his finger.
tak - 12 Aug 2008 02:09 GMT >> > It's George W. Bush's fault, it's George W. Bush's fault!!! >> > >> Great going, BGM. You've seen the light. > > I'm glad you see GWB has so much power that he has the Democrats > wrapped around his finger. Sorry, BGM, but there's not THAT much light.
"I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - US President James Madison
Mike hunt - 12 Aug 2008 00:40 GMT If the Dims expect to take over the Presidency in 2009 the super delegates better make sure Clinton is their nominee. No way is Nobama going to beat McCain come November he is already falling behind in polls of likely voters. If Nobama is the nominee he will take down the Congress and Senate with him.
> "Aides Say She Would Have Won Iowa if Edwards Affair was Exposed" > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > making a charge that could exacerbate previously existing tensions > between the camps of Clinton and Sen. Barack Obama. " dbu - 12 Aug 2008 11:50 GMT > If the Dims expect to take over the Presidency in 2009 the super delegates > better make sure Clinton is their nominee. No way is Nobama going to beat > McCain come November he is already falling behind in polls of likely voters. > If Nobama is the nominee he will take down the Congress and Senate with him. I figured that the billary would have a better chance than barrack hussain.
Beware the ides of October, LOL.
> > "Aides Say She Would Have Won Iowa if Edwards Affair was Exposed" > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > making a charge that could exacerbate previously existing tensions > > between the camps of Clinton and Sen. Barack Obama. " --
Jeff Strickland - 12 Aug 2008 03:14 GMT > "Aides Say She Would Have Won Iowa if Edwards Affair was Exposed" > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > making a charge that could exacerbate previously existing tensions > between the camps of Clinton and Sen. Barack Obama. " That's probably true if not just a little bit disingenuous. Bill Clinton himself would never have become 42 if there was media exposure of his escapades.
I don't get why the Clintons would be at odds with Obama over the antics of Edwards. Clinton (perhaps) should be mad at Edwards, but not at Obama.
Jeff - 12 Aug 2008 21:21 GMT > > "Aides Say She Would Have Won Iowa if Edwards Affair was Exposed" > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > I don't get why the Clintons would be at odds with Obama over the antics of > Edwards. Clinton (perhaps) should be mad at Edwards, but not at Obama. Obama lost someone who could campaign for him. After all, Edwards, for now, is damaged goods. Of course, the more people campaigning for him, the more likely Obama will win.
Jeff
Scott in Florida - 12 Aug 2008 22:56 GMT > Of course, the more people campaigning for him, >the more likely Obama will win. 'Gawd Damn America' preacher?
How about his terrorist buddies?
How about anybody from his past.
I think you are wrong.
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Jeff Strickland - 13 Aug 2008 03:17 GMT >> Of course, the more people campaigning for him, >>the more likely Obama will win. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I think you are wrong. I only _hope_ he is wrong.
I pray that the voters understand the real agenda of the Obama Camp. His wife has never been proud of being American, until now. Barak and the Mrs. were married by a guy that hates America. Barak worked closely for years with a guy that hates America. What other conclusion could one arrive at than Barak hates America. If he hates America, why does he want to be President of these United States. Surely, it can't be because he loves America. At the very best, his history is that he tolerates America.
Bush, for all of his faults, loves his country.
McCain has several things I don't agree with, but he loves America. Always has, and always will.
The Number One requirement to be Prez is love of country. Obama falls short.
Cathy F. - 13 Aug 2008 03:21 GMT >>> Of course, the more people campaigning for him, >>>the more likely Obama will win. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > with a guy that hates America. What other conclusion could one arrive at > than Barak hates America. Glaringly obvious answer: That he loves the USA & wants it to improve - both on the home front & in the eyes of the rest of the world!
Cathy
If he hates America, why does he want to be
> President of these United States. Surely, it can't be because he loves > America. At the very best, his history is that he tolerates America. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > The Number One requirement to be Prez is love of country. Obama falls > short. Jeff Strickland - 13 Aug 2008 03:38 GMT >>>> Of course, the more people campaigning for him, >>>>the more likely Obama will win. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Cathy First, my apologies, I spelled Barack' name incorrectly several times.
Second, if I was running for Prez, I'd make it clear to everybody and anybody that I think America is the greatest place in the entire universe, and that I want to make it even better. I'd make damn sure my beloved wife sid not make the gaffe that Michelle made. I'd not hang out with people that explicitly make a point of hating all that I love.
Maybe it's just me ...
Wickeddoll® - 13 Aug 2008 05:14 GMT "Jeff Strickland" ...
> "Cathy F." ... >>> >>> "Scott in Florida" <jeff.utz@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Maybe it's just me ... It's just you.
:-) Seriously, I get what you're saying, but to say you think the U.S. is the greatest place in the world *right now* would be disingenuous to me. There is a whole lot that needs fixing before we can say that with pride - and honesty, I'm sorry to say.
Natalie
dbu - 13 Aug 2008 10:47 GMT > "Jeff Strickland" ... > > [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > Natalie What country on earth would you rather live in? --
Wickeddoll® - 13 Aug 2008 16:29 GMT "dbu"
>> "Jeff Strickland" ... >> > [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > > What country on earth would you rather live in? Oh, come on. All countries have problems, but to just keep saying "America's the best" is like not admitting the Emperor has no clothes.
Natalie
badgolferman - 13 Aug 2008 13:16 GMT >Seriously, I get what you're saying, but to say you think the U.S. is >the greatest place in the world *right now* would be disingenuous to >me. There is a whole lot that needs fixing before we can say that >with pride - and honesty, I'm sorry to say. I wonder why people are beating down the doors to get into our country if our country isn't the standard bearer.
Despite what most lefties think national pride is at the heart of what makes one a real citizen. Right or wrong in policies, I believe the USA is the greatest country in the world. I hope citizens of other countries feel the same way about their homelands too. Frankly patriotic songs bring a tear to my eye over any hymn I've heard in church.
Wickeddoll® - 13 Aug 2008 16:35 GMT "badgolferman" ...
>>Seriously, I get what you're saying, but to say you think the U.S. is >>the greatest place in the world *right now* would be disingenuous to [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > patriotic songs bring a tear to my eye over any hymn I've heard in > church. That we *were* the greatest country in the world makes it hurt all that more that the Shrub has managed to ruin that rep. Please don't equate wealth with greatness. There are plenty of rich a.sholes around.
Dbu asked where else I would like to live - well, that's not what you do when you see a problem. You try your damnedest to fix it, if you really care about it. It is no more unpatriotic to say America needs work, than to say: I love my little Echo, but rather than get a new car, I plan to get it detailed, have parts replaced and otherwise bring it back to its former glory.
I wouldn't give up on America any more easily than I'd give up the Echo.
Natalie
Jeff Strickland - 13 Aug 2008 17:04 GMT > "Jeff Strickland" ... >> [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > Natalie I live in the best town in the valley where I live. We have problems with traffic, and we could use more retail and industry, but we are the best community to live in. Most of our issues relative to traffic come from poor planning on the part of the County before the City incorporated.
My point is, one does not go around dissing the same entity they seek to lead. Sure, America has stuff to fix, but even with our shortcomings, we are the country to live in.
I see no problem with, "I love America, and think we can be even better!" Indeed, that is the message I _want_ to be hearing.
But, Obama has a wife that says, this place sucks -- until now, when my husband might be the leader -- and the Obama's preacher says, this place sucks, and Obama's close friends say, this place sucks. Barack Obama has surrounded himself with a complete chorus, all singing the same tune. It is not a stretch to think he believes in the song, this place sucks. Assuming he believes the song, I don't want him leading the nation.
Wickeddoll® - 13 Aug 2008 17:14 GMT "Jeff Strickland"...
> "Wickeddoll®" >>> "Cathy F." ... [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > is not a stretch to think he believes in the song, this place sucks. > Assuming he believes the song, I don't want him leading the nation. Good points, all. I was taking the meaning to be: "How dare you say anything's wrong with America!"
Natalie
Jeff Strickland - 13 Aug 2008 17:31 GMT > "Jeff Strickland"... >> [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] > > Natalie Lots of stuff is wrong, and Obama can point them all out. But his message has been (as articulated by those around him), this place sucks. Indeed, Obama himself came dangerously close, just a couple of days ago, to telling a child that, this place sucks.
It's fine to say that there's stuff to fix, but it's wrong to say that this place sucks.
Wickeddoll® - 13 Aug 2008 18:06 GMT "Jeff Strickland"
>>> "Wickeddoll®" >>>>> "Cathy F." ... [quoted text clipped - 82 lines] > It's fine to say that there's stuff to fix, but it's wrong to say that > this place sucks. Agreed.
Natalie
Scott in Florida - 13 Aug 2008 11:38 GMT >>>>> Of course, the more people campaigning for him, >>>>>the more likely Obama will win. [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > >Maybe it's just me ... No it is not just you.....
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dbu - 13 Aug 2008 11:46 GMT > >>>>> Of course, the more people campaigning for him, > >>>>>the more likely Obama will win. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > > No it is not just you..... What barrack hussain means is fix it to the way HE wants it. I'm not sure what it means and that makes me concerned about barrack hussain.
It's funny how these folks think the U.S. needs fixing, but they don't want to move to anywhere else. I guess there is no better place to live. If there is I'd like to hear about it. I'm talking about overall good place to live all things considered. --
Scott in Florida - 13 Aug 2008 11:56 GMT >> >>>>> Of course, the more people campaigning for him, >> >>>>>the more likely Obama will win. [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] >live. If there is I'd like to hear about it. I'm talking about overall >good place to live all things considered. Dims hate America.
We are doing the world a favor by keeping them here where they can be beaten down in elections....
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Truckdude - 13 Aug 2008 09:56 GMT >>> Of course, the more people campaigning for him, >>>the more likely Obama will win. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > The Number One requirement to be Prez is love of country. Obama falls > short. "Listening" to you repug rant reminds of something I heard a few years ago: Republican love America like a toddler loves his mommy. Democrats love America like a man or woman loves their spouse.
Scott in Florida - 13 Aug 2008 11:39 GMT >>>> Of course, the more people campaigning for him, >>>>the more likely Obama will win. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >Republican love America like a toddler loves his mommy. Democrats love >America like a man or woman loves their spouse. You mean like Edwards 'loves' his wife?
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badgolferman - 13 Aug 2008 13:19 GMT >"Listening" to you repug rant reminds of something I heard a few >years ago: Republican love America like a toddler loves his mommy. >Democrats love America like a man or woman loves their spouse. This may be true. It explains why so many Democrats "divorce" their country and have affairs with France.
Scott in Florida - 13 Aug 2008 13:36 GMT >>"Listening" to you repug rant reminds of something I heard a few >>years ago: Republican love America like a toddler loves his mommy. >>Democrats love America like a man or woman loves their spouse. > >This may be true. It explains why so many Democrats "divorce" their >country and have affairs with France. LOL...well said
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Wickeddoll® - 13 Aug 2008 16:37 GMT "badgolferman"...
>>"Listening" to you repug rant reminds of something I heard a few >>years ago: Republican love America like a toddler loves his mommy. >>Democrats love America like a man or woman loves their spouse. > > This may be true. It explains why so many Democrats "divorce" their > country and have affairs with France. Out of protest against Bush, Alec Baldwin, Kim Basinger, Johnny Depp and Barbra Streisand all said they'd leave if he was elected.
Depp was the only one who made good on that, and moved to France.
Phony show-biz twits...
Natalie
Truckdude - 13 Aug 2008 18:34 GMT >>"Listening" to you repug rant reminds of something I heard a few >>years ago: Republican love America like a toddler loves his mommy. >>Democrats love America like a man or woman loves their spouse. > > This may be true. It explains why so many Democrats "divorce" their > country and have affairs with France. The meaning sailed right over the toddlers' heads.......as expected.
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