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Car Forum / Toyota / Toyota Cars / August 2008{OT:} What part of this family do you not identify with
What part of this family can you not identify with? How different is this family from your family? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRnhSnVR8s4 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080826/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_obama_wife > What part of this family can you not identify with? How different is > this family from your family? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRnhSnVR8s4 > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080826/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_obama_wife Unfortunately, the people who *should* take your message to heart, concern themselves more with the things that truly matter in an election, will never see what your point actually is, and even if they do, they'll ignore it - too stubborn. I have conceded many points on McCain, including defending Madonna's unfair attack on them, but if I say anything positive about Obama, it's because he's black. Total and utter bullshit. Natalie > > What part of this family can you not identify with? How different is > > this family from your family? [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Natalie I will say biden has a nice set of teeth. -- >>> What part of this family can you not identify with? How different is >>> this family from your family? [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > I will say biden has a nice set of teeth. I hope he didn't plagiarize those too.. > > In article <g90srh.48...@news.evilcabal.org>, > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > - Show quoted text - How's your buzzing cheapo harmon kardon stereo sounding? Still using those milk crate shelving? >>>> What part of this family can you not identify with? How different is >>>> this family from your family? [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >I hope he didn't plagiarize those too.. He did plagiarize his hair......  SignatureScott in Florida >> What part of this family can you not identify with? How different is >> this family from your family? [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Natalie You should, by now, realize your opinion is valued here much higher than that, Nat. We know better. "Hachiroku" Wickeddoll® wrote: >>> What part of this family can you not identify with? How different is >>> this family from your family? [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > You should, by now, realize your opinion is valued here much higher than > that, Nat. Thanks, but you're certainly not who I meant. Natalie > We know better. > What part of this family can you not identify with? How different is > this family from your family? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRnhSnVR8s4 > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080826/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_obama_wife I'm not a Harvard educated lawyer. My wife is not an Ivy League graduate. My children have to work during the summer. Should I continue? Stop pushing how much of a 'normal' person Obama is, Ed. It makes you look cheap, and Barack's 'story' is pretty far from reality. > > What part of this family can you not identify with? How different is > > this family from your family? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Stop pushing how much of a 'normal' person Obama is, Ed. It makes you look > cheap, and Barack's 'story' is pretty far from reality. Well, we are where I wanted to be. If you had studied harder you could have gotten into college. If you were willing to work harder while in school you could have gone to an Ivy league college. If you worked harder you'd have a better job. Let's apply the NeoCon principals fairly. Nice try to attempt to sneak in the "elitist" bullshit. BUT, that wasn't what I was asking. I'm talking about the the human touchy-feely stuff like love and support and respect and caring. You had that from your parents, right? You give that to your family, right? >> I'm not a Harvard educated lawyer. >> My wife is not an Ivy League graduate. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > principals fairly. Nice try to attempt to sneak in the "elitist" > bullshit. LOL! What do you mean, "attempt"? I thought I did quite an excellent job of pointing out how elitist the Obamas are! You're trying to compare them to the 'average' US family. They are NOT! They are now among the privleged, and have been for some time. Trying to pass them off as an average family is ludicrous. Nice try though, but some of us saw through the bullshit. BTW, I went to an exclusive New England prep school and to a small but very good New England College. I also went Pre Law for a very short time. Nowhere near Obama's level, but I did ok. And as far as 'working harder', I was Dean's List for 5 semesters with a 3.8 GPA . > >> I'm not a Harvard educated lawyer. > >> My wife is not an Ivy League graduate. [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Wll bully for you, you elitist New England prep school and New England college graduate. But your approach is to deny other people what you had. >> >> I'm not a Harvard educated lawyer. >> >> My wife is not an Ivy League graduate. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > college graduate. But your approach is to deny other people what you > had. Huh? What the f.ck are you talking about? You are a prime example of what's wrong with the Democrat party. You want to hand everything to everyone. Maybe I was lucky because I had a few bucks to go to good schools, but I earned almost all of it. The Prep school had a clause, if you lived in town you went free. And it didn't cost a lot to live there at all. Anyone could have moved there at that time since housing prices were low. Then I went to a junior college and got a degree. That got me some buy, and then I went to trade school. That with the degree got me some decent jobs, and that got me some better jobs with tuition reimbursement. I didn't graduate from College until I was 38. Nothing extraordinary or elitist about it at all. I used what I had for brains and made the best of the situations. Anyone else could have done the same if they wanted to. Just because some don't doesn't mean that *I* have to carry them or provide for them. I got a little help from my family but not a great deal. What I did, *I* did. All it takes is the desire, the gumption and the creativity. And that got me into three Fortune 500 companies, and two of those were Fortune *TEN* companies. I didn't carry my own kids; I'm not carrying anyone else's. And as an aside, my daughter graduated from a two year school as a Physical Therapist, and got a job with a hospital that provides...tuition reimbursement. > >> >> I'm not a Harvard educated lawyer. > >> >> My wife is not an Ivy League graduate. [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Right into your canned rant about giving stuff away. Yada yada yada. Bloviate on. >> >> >> I'm not a Harvard educated lawyer. >> >> >> My wife is not an Ivy League graduate. [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > Right into your canned rant about giving stuff away. Yada yada yada. > Bloviate on. Here, reread what you wrote: >> > college graduate. But your approach is to deny other people what you >> > had. Now, tell me how I 'deny other people' of what I have. I worked for what I had. No one handed it to me. > >> >> >> I'm not a Harvard educated lawyer. > >> >> >> My wife is not an Ivy League graduate. [quoted text clipped - 76 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Here we go again. >> > Right into your canned rant about giving stuff away. Yada yada yada. >> > Bloviate on. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Here we go again. ANSWER THE QUESTION! WHERE did I say I would deny anyone anything I had? If they have the gumption, they can do at least as well. Why should I just GIVE them anything? What have you had given to you, Ed? > >> > Right into your canned rant about giving stuff away. Yada yada yada. > >> > Bloviate on. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > If they have the gumption, they can do at least as well. Why should I just > GIVE them anything? What have you had given to you, Ed? Can't follow this into the maze. >> >> > Right into your canned rant about giving stuff away. Yada yada >> >> > yada. Bloviate on. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Can't follow this into the maze. Bullshit response. Did I expect anything else? You're the one who pointed the way into the maze. Now you can't back up what you said. How typical. Need help getting out of that corner, Wonder Woman? >> >> I'm not a Harvard educated lawyer. >> >> My wife is not an Ivy League graduate. My children have to work [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > college graduate. But your approach is to deny other people what you > had. Hmmmm....no reply to the end of this sub-thread. Once again, we see how, if you question a Democrat on his party or his party's beliefs and ideals, he comes back with personal attacks. Amazing, it only took a couple of responses this time. When asked a question to support his rants (Obamas are an average family, and how did I deny anyone anything) it comes back with attacks on me personally. Seems all Democrats do this when they say something they can't support. Now, Ed, a challenge: instead of coming back at me personally, how about answering the questions I posed to you. Think you can do it? I have my doubts. My bet is we'll get another "Here we go again" or a rant about how I deny things to the deserving. Good luck >>> >> I'm not a Harvard educated lawyer. >>> >> My wife is not an Ivy League graduate. My children have to work [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > Good luck Seems I was wrong. Ed didn't come back with a personal attack this time. He came back with a shrug. You started it, you said I would deny people what I have, but when put on the spot you don't have an answer. Bullshit right from the start. >>> I'm not a Harvard educated lawyer. >>> My wife is not an Ivy League graduate. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > They are now among the privleged, and have been for some time. Trying to > pass them off as an average family is ludicrous. **Good, then we can expect you to be curiously quiet about McCain being your average guy with the average family, and privileges. > Nice try though, but some of us saw through the bullshit. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > And as far as 'working harder', I was Dean's List for 5 > semesters with a 3.8 GPA . > >>> I'm not a Harvard educated lawyer. > >>> My wife is not an Ivy League graduate. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > **Good, then we can expect you to be curiously quiet about McCain being your > average guy with the average family, and privileges. Or Obamas 1.5 million dollar house bought with dirty money from a convicted felon. -- > In article <2s_sk.25$fJ4...@fe109.usenetserver.com>, > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > - Show quoted text - No, Stupid. He bought the house from the owners. He bought part of the neighbor's yard property to increase the size of his yard for his kids. All bought at market value. Try to get things right once in awhile. >> In article <2s_sk.25$fJ4...@fe109.usenetserver.com>, >> [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > kids. All bought at market value. Try to get things right once in > awhile. Wrong: In June 2005, in what Obama now describes as a "boneheaded" mistake, Obama and Rezko's wife bought adjacent properties on Chicago's South Side, closing the deals on the same day. Seven months later, wanting a bigger yard for his $1.65 million house, Obama bought a slice of the Rezko property for $104,500. After news of the deal broke last month in the Chicago Tribune, Obama said he had erred by creating the appearance that Rezko had done him a favor by selling him a portion of the lot. For the first time since he entered the national spotlight, the 45-year-old freshman senator found himself on the defensive, discussing a personal decision he had come to regret. Somewhere I saw it said the 'slice' of land bought was about 1/3 of the Rezko property. Rezko's wife paid $625,000 for the property, Obama paid $104,000 for almost a third. Doesn't quite add up, does it? > >> In article <2s_sk.25$fJ4...@fe109.usenetserver.com>, > [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Well if a house was on the other 2/3 - Duh! You are not rational! >> Somewhere I saw it said the 'slice' of land bought was about 1/3 of the >> Rezko property. Rezko's wife paid $625,000 for the property, Obama paid [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Well if a house was on the other 2/3 - Duh! You are not rational! There was no house, it was an open lot. And, how is that not rational? You've stopped making sense, Ed. One-third of $625,000 is $208333. Why would someone buy something at full-book asking price and then sell it short? >>> In article <2s_sk.25$fJ4...@fe109.usenetserver.com>, >>> [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > Rezko property. Rezko's wife paid $625,000 for the property, Obama paid > $104,000 for almost a third. Doesn't quite add up, does it? It was a 10 foot wide slice that was one sixth, not one third, of the Rezko property. The $104,500 that Obama paid was proportional to its size. > >>> In article <2s_sk.25$fJ4...@fe109.usenetserver.com>, > [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > - Show quoted text - We could take Hachi to the physical properties and he would still not change his mind. >> >>> In article <2s_sk.25$fJ4...@fe109.usenetserver.com>, >> [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > We could take Hachi to the physical properties and he would still not > change his mind. unfortunately, that's not what I saw. The Chicago Sun, I think it was. >>>>>> In article <2s_sk.25$fJ4...@fe109.usenetserver.com>, >>>>>>>>>> I'm not a Harvard educated lawyer. [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > unfortunately, that's not what I saw. The Chicago Sun, I think it was. Well the only article on the Chicago Sun Times website that I can find that references the the size of Obama's slice of the lot says it's one sixth: http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/595915,CST-NWS-obama10.article About six months later, Obama expanded his property when he paid Rezko $104,500 for one-sixth of the vacant lot. So I would suggest that your recollection of "one third" is mistaken. > >>>>>> In article <2s_sk.25$fJ4...@fe109.usenetserver.com>, > >>>>>>>>>> I'm not a Harvard educated lawyer. [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Facts and reality will not sway Hachi. >> LOL! What do you mean, "attempt"? I thought I did quite an excellent job >> of pointing out how elitist the Obamas are! [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > **Good, then we can expect you to be curiously quiet about McCain being your > average guy with the average family, and privileges. Wouldn't ever attempt it. Just like Ed shouldn't have... > >> LOL! What do you mean, "attempt"? I thought I did quite an excellent job > >> of pointing out how elitist the Obamas are! [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Wouldn't ever attempt it. Just like Ed shouldn't have... hatching roachie, rave on catshit, somebody will cover you. >> >> LOL! What do you mean, "attempt"? I thought I did quite an excellent job >> >> of pointing out how elitist the Obamas are! [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > hatching roachie, rave on catshit, somebody will cover you. I don't need anyone to 'cover' me. I don't spout the party line hook, line and sinker. If I think a Republican is an a.shole, I say he's an a.shole. It's just there aren't as many Republican a.sholes as there are Democratic ones. > >> >> LOL! What do you mean, "attempt"? I thought I did quite an excellent job > >> >> of pointing out how elitist the Obamas are! [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Why does every conversation take you to the same disappointments and abandonments that you project on everyone else? >> >> >> LOL! What do you mean, "attempt"? I thought I did quite an excellent job >> >> >> of pointing out how elitist the Obamas are! [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Why does every conversation take you to the same disappointments and > abandonments that you project on everyone else? Because I'm a realist? This is not a good time for America, and neither party has the solution. Obama sure isn't it, he's just more of the same. I like McCain, but there are very few Republicans/Conservatives who do. Eight years ago he was my first choice, but they gave it to Bush II, who I thought wasn't fit to lead the country then, and I was proved correct. The party pushed Bush into it, and we lost. McCain hasn't been pushed into it, the people selected him as the candidate. You Democrats should try it! I don't care WHAT party the Messiah should come from, just give me someone to BELIEVE in!!!! American politics hasn't done that for quite a while, and it seems the Democrats don't care about leading the country, as long as they can beat the Republicans. Um, and there are a lot more Democratric a.sholes than Republican a.sholes. I'm not talking about the rank-and-file, I'm talking the 'leadership'. Geeze, don't take it personally, eh? > BTW, I went to an exclusive New England prep school and to a small but > very good New England College. I also went Pre Law for a very short time. > Nowhere near Obama's level, but I did ok. > > And as far as 'working harder', I was Dean's List for 5 > semesters with a 3.8 GPA . So intellectually, you're the opposite of Joe Biden. Exactly what white collar crime were you charged with? >> BTW, I went to an exclusive New England prep school and to a small but >> very good New England College. I also went Pre Law for a very short time. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Exactly what white collar crime were you charged with? I'd tell you, but I'd have to kill you... ;P > BUT, that wasn't what I was asking. I'm talking about the the human > touchy-feely stuff like love and support and respect and caring. You > had that from your parents, right? You give that to your family, > right? Sure did. And I taught them to help their fellow man, not be *too* critcal, and to do the right thing. And I did it as a Conservative without all the touchy-feely bullcrap. > > BUT, that wasn't what I was asking. I'm talking about the the human > > touchy-feely stuff like love and support and respect and caring. You [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > And I did it as a Conservative without all the touchy-feely bullcrap. Oh right, you did it without your parents spending a buck. Look in the mirror. Stop projecting your dislike of your "horrible" life on others. You had more than 80% of the rest of America had yet you are still unhappy and miserable. Maybe we'll have a pity party for you, but you are too dour to invite. >> > BUT, that wasn't what I was asking. I'm talking about the the human >> > touchy-feely stuff like love and support and respect and caring. You [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > still unhappy and miserable. Maybe we'll have a pity party for you, > but you are too dour to invite. Huh? What the f.ck are you talking about? I think perhaps you should just shut your f.cking mouth instead of telling me how bad I have it. You and in2dadark both have your f.cking heads up your a.ses. You think you can project how things are, but in the end you're f.cking clueless. >> On Aug 26, 3:45 pm, Hachiroku ???? <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote: >>> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > your a.ses. You think you can project how things are, but in the end > you're f.cking clueless. OOOOOOOOOOOhhhh. Struck a nerve, Hachi? With your privileges and your education, why are you driving a series of beaters then? and why do you shove your children out the door at 18 (you say you don't 'carry' them). It sounds like you gave your daughter an occasional bit of pocket change, but let her take care of the major expenses of education. You certainly are able to do one thing....fly off the handle with anyone who's in the least critical of you and your lifestyle. >>> On Aug 26, 3:45 pm, Hachiroku ???? <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > occasional bit of pocket change, but let her take care of the major expenses > of education. I didn't 'shove' anyone out the door. I told them they could stay as long as they wanted. My kids had everything they wanted to a point, had good childhoods, and went to private schools as long as they wanted. > You certainly are able to do one thing....fly off the handle with anyone > who's in the least critical of you and your lifestyle. That's because he and in2dadark are a couple of clueless fools. That's why. > That's because he and in2dadark You are now blubbering, or you almost said something really bad. I bet you can't keep a job because you are so abrasive, "doesn't play well with others". >> That's because he and in2dadark > > You are now blubbering, or you almost said something really bad. > > I bet you can't keep a job because you are so abrasive, "doesn't play > well with others". You're quite the Usenet psychoanalyst, aren't you? Don't quit your day job to go into private practice, you'll get sued for being a hack. No, that's not why I "can't keep a job". Most of the time it's because the jobs that I have had are sent overseas to lower-paying countries, and most of that was done under Democratic rule. But, yeah, people saying ignorant things does have a tendancy to piss me off. Your 'call for unity' was laughable. At least you got the word out to the 6 Democrats in this newsgroup. Your defense of Obama as not being an elitist, on the other hand, is a shame. Can't see the forset, eh? > >> That's because he and in2dadark > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Your defense of Obama as not being an elitist, on the other hand, is a > shame. Can't see the forset, eh? The forset, the corset, the set point. bluh bluh bluh. The same excuses. They same twisted spinning. >> >> That's because he and in2dadark >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > The forset, the corset, the set point. bluh bluh bluh. The same > excuses. They same twisted spinning. But the sad fact is, the Democratic Party is the most disjointed it has been for quite a long time, probably all the way back to Truman. People begging Hillary supporters to leave their "Hillary For President" banners at home (which they didn't...that is the ones that didn't jump ship for McCain...) All it would take is getting rid of Reid, Kennedy, Pelosi, Boxer and the other k00ks that are making the most noise, and you might have a worthy party again. Please don't say those are the people you want to unify *behind*... Of course, with the nomination of McCain, the Republican party isn't in too much better shape... >> I think perhaps you should just shut your f.cking mouth instead of telling >> me how bad I have it. You and in2dadark both have your f.cking heads up [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > With your privileges and your education, why are you driving a series of > beaters then? Oh, and that's because I want to. I get them for nothing or next to nothing, put a few dollars into them and drive them for a year or two...or more. And, who says they are 'beaters'? I get compliments on how good my Supra looks all the time. I get offers to buy it all the time, for up to 4 times the $600 I paid for it. My Mazda came from Florida and is near flawless. Not bad for $150, eh? My Subaru? Ok, it's not so swift. But it has working AWD, looks good and runs quite well. Almost as expensive as the Supra at $450. Ever think maybe I just like fixing cars? When I was a kid I used to build models. Now I put together the real thing. A lot of the other cars I have had given to me. Free. So I drive them for a while, and either sell them or scrap them for more than I paid. And along the way, I also learn a thing or two. >>> I think perhaps you should just shut your f.cking mouth instead of >>> telling [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > And along the way, I also learn a thing or two. Uh huh. Next you'll be saying that the reason you drive 15-20 year old cars is that you're "not a slave to fashion". I've lumbered for months (years?) hearing about your beaters and how much trouble they encounter, and I still wonder why you don't open your purse, let out some of the moths, and buy a good, new or recent, respectable car. It would keep your fingernails a lot cleaner, for one thing, and you might find that there's more to life than keeping your head under a hood, trying to resurrect yet another beater. But if you consider it a hobby, go ahead. One other question - isn't the insurance on this fleet of junkers eating you alive? Granted, you don't need collision, but the liability and p.d. must make a big hole in the budget, as well as the clutter of all those cars in the driveway. >>>> I think perhaps you should just shut your f.cking mouth instead of >>>> telling [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > than keeping your head under a hood, trying to resurrect yet another beater. > But if you consider it a hobby, go ahead. Guess you have forgotten the '05 Scion tC, eh? I guess I just like to have my head under a hood resurrecting old beaters. To borrow from Kenneth Grahame: "There is nothing -- absolutely nothing -- half so much worth doing as simply messing about in cars. In or out of 'em, it doesn't matter. Nothing seems really to matter, that's the charm of it. > One other question - isn't the insurance on this fleet of junkers eating you > alive? Granted, you don't need collision, but the liability and p.d. must > make a big hole in the budget, as well as the clutter of all those cars in > the driveway. I dropped my insurance from $1700 to $950 thanks to Mass getting rid of the insurance laws. I also increased the coverage on the Supra from Limited Liability to full collision since it's value keeps increasing. Under the old laws, the tC was costing $853 a year for full coverage, so for $100 more I get to keep the 'fleet' going. Just another hobby. My job is a hobby (and combine that with the fact I'm on the road all day, that's a bonus), music is a hobby (and one that pays. We tell people, You don't pay us to play, you're paying us to move the equipment. We play for FREE!) and keeping these old cars in top shape. Granted the Mazda and the Subaru go to the junkyard when I'm done with them (although they look good, and I have had offers for them), the Supra is only increasing in value as their popularity increases and their numbers decrease. I told one guy, when I get done with it, all it will be good for is parts, and he still gave me his number and said, "call me". And they all give me a sense of accomplishment. A job well done, a well entertained crowd, and a good running car. All hobbies should be as satisfying (although Ray enjoys taking his scouts out, and that's admirable as well as gratifying.) >> What part of this family can you not identify with? How different is >> this family from your family? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Stop pushing how much of a 'normal' person Obama is, Ed. It makes you look > cheap, and Barack's 'story' is pretty far from reality. But was he handed stuff on a silver platter? No, he worked to get where he is. Pretty much a quintessential American dream sort of deal. Cathy >>> What part of this family can you not identify with? How different is >>> this family from your family? [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Cathy Ed asked us to compare families. I didn't make my 'millions' writing up land deals for a crooked Chicago developer. > >>> What part of this family can you not identify with? How different is > >>> this family from your family? [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > - Show quoted text - So ill informed. I should think you would be embarrassed to have to be corrected several times a day. >> Ed asked us to compare families. I didn't make my 'millions' writing up >> land deals for a crooked Chicago developer.- Hide quoted text - [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > So ill informed. I should think you would be embarrassed to have to > be corrected several times a day. Doesn't bother me at all. Look up Obama's ties with Rezko. > >> Ed asked us to compare families. I didn't make my 'millions' writing up > >> land deals for a crooked Chicago developer.- Hide quoted text - [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Doesn't bother me at all. > Look up Obama's ties with Rezko. Here's the main point - throughout the entire Rezco trial neither the prosecuttion nor the defense called Obama to testify. No newspapers called for it. None of the other politicians called for it. My experience is that everybody with the slightest connection is called in to testify by one side or the other. But Obama wasn't called in to the trial in any capacity. Must mean there was no connection. Conspiracy? Might be those UFO's. >>>> Ed asked us to compare families. I didn't make my 'millions' writing up >>>> land deals for a crooked Chicago developer.- Hide quoted text - [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Here's the main point - NOBAMA IS A HYPOC$RITE! >> >> Ed asked us to compare families. I didn't make my 'millions' writing up >> >> land deals for a crooked Chicago developer.- Hide quoted text - [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > the trial in any capacity. Must mean there was no connection. > Conspiracy? Might be those UFO's. This is interesting. In order to meet Cathy's challenge, I looked up Obama/Rezko. Rezko has been there every step along the way for Obama; offering him jobs, campaigning for him, making contributions to his campaigns, but the only dealing Obama had with Rezko was the land deal, which Rezko probably cut him the break on. Shoot, even I have to admit, if I were offered a $200,000 property for $104, I'd jump on it. Barack still hasn't done anything to make me dislike him, I just don't like his platform. I think that Rezko has done a lot for Obama, but Obama didn't solicit it or accept it. Time will tell... >>>> What part of this family can you not identify with? How different is >>>> this family from your family? [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Ed asked us to compare families. I didn't make my 'millions' writing up > land deals for a crooked Chicago developer. Twisting the facts? Cathy >>>>> What part of this family can you not identify with? How different is >>>>> this family from your family? [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Twisting the facts? Denying the felon connection? > >>>>> What part of this family can you not identify with? How different is > >>>>> this family from your family? [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > - Show quoted text - See above cheap stereo boy. >>>>>>> What part of this family can you not identify with? How different is >>>>>>> this family from your family? [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > See above Die below, asswipe. > Die below, asswipe.- A word wizard! Dang! Impressive. >> Die below, asswipe.- > > A word wizard! Dang! Impressive. A mental midget, damn, unimpressive.... On Aug 26, 11:54 pm, Herman Cardon <s...@woo.fer> wrote: > Die below, asswipe.- A word wizard! Dang! Impressive. Especially for a guy with bandaids on his fingers from letting his knuckles drag on the ground. >>> But was he handed stuff on a silver platter? No, he worked to get where >>> he [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Twisting the facts? I concede defeat...this once! Turns out, as much as Rezko persued him is as much as Obama ducked him. Still, it seems kind of funny, like an unrequited love. Why would Rezko keep persuing Obama if he wasn't getting anything from him? Maybe your guy is as clean as you say (and it would be the first time in a while, for either party...) but something dowsn't quite smell right. And it ain't my socks, I already changed them! ;) > >>> But was he handed stuff on a silver platter? No, he worked to get where > >>> he [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > And it ain't my socks, I already changed them! ;) Rezko is a petty criminal who knows to keep pushing. There's the story (probably apocryphal) of about somebody offering Lincoln a bribe. The guy offered the bribe every time he saw Lincoln. Finally Lincoln throws him down the steps. The guy says, "Why didn't you just say no like all the other times instead of throwing me down the steps." Lincoln answered, "You were getting close to my price." (Apocraphal, considering the "Honest Abe" tag. Meant to teach a lesson that we may be tempted but we don't have to give in to that "temptation".) >> >>> But was he handed stuff on a silver platter? No, he worked to get where >> >>> he [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > lesson that we may be tempted but we don't have to give in to that > "temptation".) <*THUD*> Agreed. Actually, I'm really hoping there *IS* no other connection between Obama and Rezko other that the small land deal. I don't see it as any big thing, really. From what I did read was just what you said; Rezko kept pushing, Obama kept resisting. A wise decision on his part. I like Obama, I think he has done quite well (um, a bit of understatement there perhaps?) but he's a shade too liberal for me. Not as bad as Hillary. But I'll tell you what I really fear: Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Ted Kennedy and Joe Biden. With Obama as President, we'll have a lot of unneeded give aways that would never get passed otherwise, even with McCain. Spenind money on a war may not be right, but just giving it away isn't, either. A while back, on the BBC there was a very, very smart commentator from some country in Africa. He was new to the BBC and has a weekly comment that runs about 5 minutes, but I can't recall his name right now. His first 5 minute comment was about social programs meant to help Africa. He said, "If giving money led to prosperity, Africa would be the most affluent continent on Earth." I think the family is fine Ed. Got quite a kick out of the youngest, she's a neat kid from what I see. I just don't care for what he has as a vision for the country. He's yet to propose anything concrete except "change". If "the Coz" or Colin Powell would be running I'd definitely vote for them over Obama - probably over McCain. But they aren't so its "the other guy" for me. Since the 70's its been very plain to everyone that energy was and would be a problem - there wasn't prior to 92 nor since 2006 any meaningful attempt by congress to encourage development of our resources - look at Kennedy's nimby on wind power off Cape Cod. (Is that house 17 or 18 for him) There are a LOT more problems Obama et.al. could be talking about this past week other than McCains houses. (Gores houses?) (Kerry's houses?) What would he propose to do with healthcare and how to pay for it, controlling the border and kicking out the illegals - illegals were give citizenship some years ago with the proviso it was a one time shot. Does he think "sanctuaries" are beneficial to the rest of us? What does he propose to do about the mortgage mess - can't he name names and pin the blame to who set this mess up? The only numbers I've heard from Obama are 47 million poor to be covered under his senate style healthcare and the other is that only those making over 42.5k/year will see a tax increase. A whole lot different than "the rich" paying for everything. His goals are nice better education, free healthcare for the poor. I do not agree at all with his military views nor feel his is anywhere near versed enough to handle the matters that will pop up like Georgia. As for bombing Pakistan for this is a bit much to me. Ron in Ca > I do not agree at all with his military views nor > feel his is anywhere near versed enough to handle the matters that will pop > up like Georgia. The best thing to do is what was done by everyone in Europe. Nothing except diplomacy. > I think the family is fine Ed. Got quite a kick out of the youngest, > she's a neat kid from what I see. I just don't care for what he has as > a vision for the country. He's yet to propose anything concrete except > "change". I keep hearing this from people and find it baffling. True, I haven't seen much of a plan from Obama in media reports, but then I haven't seen much of McCain's plan either (unless it's just to continue the last eight years). All we're hearing about is the horse race. But there are plans out there. Obama has discussed his proposals in numerous speeches, but you're not going to find details in 30 second ads from either side. Here is an overview of some of Obama's proposals: http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/ObamaBlueprintForChange.pdf > If "the Coz" or Colin Powell would be running I'd definitely > vote for them over Obama - probably over McCain. But they aren't so its [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Ron in Ca > > I think the family is fine Ed. Got quite a kick out of the youngest, > > she's a neat kid from what I see. I just don't care for what he has as [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I also point people to Obama's web site. His energy plan is 30-some pages long. McCain's is one side of a page bullet items. The Ubama "plan" is certainly something for everyone. Since most of it would require legislation, it seems like he is sort of grandiose. The plan was LONG on benefits but not much said in specifics about where the megabucks to pay for its going to come from. I was right, he still wants citizenship for illegals - apparently he ignores the current law when necessary. He knocks privitzation of social security but will force employeers to provide pension contibutions. I thought it was the McCain-Feingold act on campaign finance reform. Why hasn't the no child act been funded? DOE spending is up manyfold but education is lagging so is it lack of funds or something else? For way too long, IMO, this country has thrown money at a perceived problem. Maybe its time to stop funding these problems. I went thru School without a DOE or much state support either - localities provided for the local school needs. And amazingly my generation can read, and we don't have lead poisoning Pelosi wants to grab "obscene" Wall street profits and Obama wants to take the same from the oil companies and give everyone a refund. Can anyone remember Perot and now Ron Pauls ideas? Still sound goofy? Ron in Ca > I think the family is fine Ed. Got quite a kick out of the youngest, she's > a neat kid from what I see. I just don't care for what he has as a vision > for the country. I think the kids are wonderful, but they aren't going to ever have to work a day in their lives unless they want to. I'm sure they will, but Ed's trying to pass the "Family" off as not being priveleged. >> I think the family is fine Ed. Got quite a kick out of the youngest, she's >> a neat kid from what I see. I just don't care for what he has as a vision [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > a day in their lives unless they want to. I'm sure they will, but Ed's > trying to pass the "Family" off as not being priveleged. Um, no. I'm sure Ed can speak for himself, but I don't think he was trying to deny that the Obama family is currently "privileged". He was making the point that they are not elitist ("privileged" does not necessarily equal "elitist"), and that they both came from unprivileged backgrounds and worked very hard to get where they are today. >> I think the kids are wonderful, but they aren't going to ever have to work >> a day in their lives unless they want to. I'm sure they will, but Ed's [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > currently "privileged". He was making the point that > they are not elitist Even Obama's advisors say he won't talk to just anyone. "Hachiroku ????" Lucius Accius wrote: >>> I think the kids are wonderful, but they aren't going to ever have to >>> work [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Even Obama's advisors say he won't talk to just anyone. Would you? Natalie > "Hachiroku ????" > Lucius Accius wrote: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Natalie I waste my time with Spyhill and JoeShitForBrains, don't I? >> I think the family is fine Ed. Got quite a kick out of the youngest, >> she's [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > a day in their lives unless they want to. I'm sure they will, but Ed's > trying to pass the "Family" off as not being priveleged. It's not about where they are now - they're obviously financially better off than most of us. It's about where they came from; neither one of them was born into a privileged life. Using their brains & ambition, they got to where they wanted to be. Cathy >>> I think the family is fine Ed. Got quite a kick out of the youngest, >>> she's [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Cathy And don't forget the sweat of their brows either, Cathy. Brains and ambition are fine, but the shoulder to the wheel is what makes the difference. I happen to admire the Obama family....more than the son of admirals who partied his way through USNA and his trophy wife whose fortune was dumped in her lap. >>>> I think the family is fine Ed. Got quite a kick out of the youngest, >>>> she's [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > ambition are fine, but the shoulder to the wheel is what makes the > difference. Oh, I wasn't forgetting it. It's just that you couldn't see my thought processes via cyberspace. ;-) I was (in my brain) including the hard work under the ambition bit. One can have ambitions/a goal, but without the hard work (assuming one isn't handed stuff on a platter - which they weren't), the goal won't be reached. Cathy > I happen to admire the Obama family....more than the son of admirals who > partied his way through USNA and his trophy wife whose fortune was dumped > in her lap. > What part of this family can you not identify with? How different is > this family from your family? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRnhSnVR8s4 > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080826/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_obama_wife Obama haters can't relate to the lack of screaming, crying, drinking, nudity, blood, and handcuffs. >> What part of this family can you not identify with? How different is >> this family from your family? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Obama haters can't relate to the lack of screaming, crying, drinking, > nudity, blood, and handcuffs. Or the seven or eight dogs lying under the front porch. .....and the great opportunity to meet women when they have family reunions. >>> What part of this family can you not identify with? How different is >>> this family from your family? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Or the seven or eight dogs lying under the front porch. > .....and the great opportunity to meet women when they have family reunions. You guys somehow got confused with Clinton supporters... >What part of this family can you not identify with? How different is >this family from your family? > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRnhSnVR8s4 > >http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080826/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_obama_wife My family does not go to a church for 20 years that supports GOD DAMN AMERICA...... SignatureScott in Florida On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:13:30 -0400, Scott in Florida wrote: >>What part of this family can you not identify with? How different is >>this family from your family? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > My family does not go to a church for 20 years that supports GOD DAMN > AMERICA...... Shoot. Scott had to come back and throw religion into the mix... |
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