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Car Forum / Toyota / Toyota Cars / September 2008RA64 automatic to manual conversion
wanted to start a new topic. Today, I will most likely finish the converting the '85 celica to manual transmission! Woohoo! Something just got my a$$ in gear after 3 years of the car sitting while I was doing other projects.. Here's the progress from the beginning. Bought it for $250... let it sit for 3 years :( Car came with no engine. Removed automatic trans. Removed shifter linkage (easy, four bolts on the floor after removing console). Removed engine and trans from donor car. Removed clutch master cylinder, slave cylinder, and hard clutch line. Installed all three into the '85. Note: Make sure you put the line into the car BEFORE you put in the engine. I've done it either way and it's much easier with no engine in there (less re-bending of the line occurs). I haven't finished undoing the wide brake pedal assembly from the '85 yet. Have undone the pedals from the '82 donor car to go into the '85. Installed the W58 in place of the A40D. The shifter is not on the trans yet because I need to enlarge the hole in the transmission tunnel. The automatic shiter is about an inch and three-quarters further back than the manual shifter. You will need the manual driveshaft because the manual trans is at least an inch shorter. I'm thinking I'm going to have to use the console from the manual car as well. Changed the rear main seal on the 22RE (engine is actually from an '83 gt). Bought new exhaust gaskets. Used the hoist to put the engine in the car. Trying to put the engine in the car, I discovered I really didn't have the clearance I needed. I thought about it for a while... ended up unbolting the subframe (four screws) and the brackets that hold the torque-stays and the anti-roll bar (4 screws on each side of car). This way, I was able to lower the engine further than normally possible and easily bolt the transmission to the engine.. Once I had the bolts in, the stiffener brackets bolted on, and the starter bolted on, I lifted the engine, then jacked the subframe and the other stuff back into place and re-torqued it. I lowered the engine and undid the chain. I will post some pictures later on today... not really exciting this time.. just a run of the mill trans swap.. LOL Lol! Damn, i wrote a novel! Forgot to mention that someone stole the gas tank from this car at one point as well.. Fortunately, I have an '85 sitting around that I scavenged the gas tank and the pump/sending unit... gotta put that on today as well! > Installed the W58 in place of the A40D. The shifter is not on the > trans yet because I need to enlarge the hole in the transmission [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > thinking I'm going to have to use the console from the manual car as > well. Sounds good. You're more ambitious than I! Maybe, some day, I'll swap the A340 from my Supra for a W58...maybe. I've heard of people having to enlarge the hole for the shifter, but also, the W58 has an adapter for both the shifter and the top plate that moves it from front to center to rear positions. Maybe you have the wrong setup. > Sounds good. You're more ambitious than I! > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > the W58 has an adapter for both the shifter and the top plate that moves > it from front to center to rear positions. Maybe you have the wrong setup. would be nice to be able to teleport to VA to my stash of Celicas to check out the differences, if any between the vehicles I have.. I parted out an '80 GT that had a W55. That is the only one I *noticed* that has a different placement for the shifter out of all the transmissions I have ... IIRC, that one would probably come up in the right spot, now that I think about it.... Would have used that when the W50 blew in the '79 GT, but the W58 came up in the right spot instead. The W55 is sitting, still attached to the 22R.. The W58 from the 86.5 Supra that I have (not the one here in GA) ..has a different sized shifter. Was going to use that one in a celica W58, but won't fit. Also, the starter hole is on the opposite side of the bellhousing. (trivia, i know) I hate to have to do it, but I'm going to cut the floor .. Going to have to drill four new holes for the boot. When I cut the floor, it will be just enough to clear the shifter.. i'll save the piece of floor too, incase that w55 comes up in the right spot... when I change the clutch next time, maybe i'll swap out the trans if it's right. One time , I had a chance to get three of the skinny 'supra-like' alloy wheels... missed out though. Unfortunately, there is only one of them on this car... I wish I could get my hands on a set of them! I don't like to put the wide supra wheels on there ... looks kinda sweet, but most tires on those wheels rub when on the celicas. Plus, I don't like the added stress of the wrong offset. One thing I've noticed between these celicas and the supra i was working on -- the supra really is a much much more substantial car. And still relatively simply constructed. Well, just got to a stopping point, unfortunately. Seems I remembered to grab the fuel pump and the fuel tank from that '85 in VA, but forgot to grab the rubber line which goes from the pump to the hard fuel line on the car... !#%))(!)(% !!! I hate that! Seems I also forgot the distributor and the power steering pump... I have the distributor from the '82, but don't know if the advance/ retard curve is the same between 22r and 22re.. Ah well, I can get my brother to bring that stuff (hopefully) when he comes to GA next time.. The fuel line looks like standard fittings, so I'll see if I can cobble something... but the other stuff is definitely necessary.. BTW... when I pulled the engine out of the '83, I went inside the glove box and disconnected the wiring harness from the ECU. Turns out, this was a great thing to do! Someone, when they pulled the engine out of this car, failed to mark anything at all (big surprise, i know)... would have been a pain in the butt to say the least... I pulled the wires for this engine back through the firewall easily and will hook up the M/T ECU.. I only have a couple of extry plugs under the hood... i'm assuming one is for the ECT and another is for the neutral start switch.... I guess one of them is for the backup lights. We'll see if I can plug those in.. Oh yeah, was trying to put the fuel pump into the tank again and noticed that the sock filter is torn... oh great! WTF do I do about that... I'm sure Toyota is going to want 100 bucks for it ... that is, *if* they will sell me the filter separately from the pump! LOL! >Well, just got to a stopping point, unfortunately. > >Seems I remembered to grab the fuel pump and the fuel tank from that >'85 in VA, but forgot to grab the rubber line which goes from the pump >to the hard fuel line on the car... !#%))(!)(% !!! >I hate that! Oh, come on! You want to use a fresh chunk of hose when swapping fuel tanks, saving $3 is false economy. >Oh yeah, was trying to put the fuel pump into the tank again and >noticed that the sock filter is torn... oh great! WTF do I do about >that... I'm sure Toyota is going to want 100 bucks for it ... that is, >*if* they will sell me the filter separately from the pump! LOL! Can't be that much - and if it is, go get some fine nylon mesh from a fabric store and a hose clamp. Leave the old sock there as a form, and put a new layer on top. The sock only has to stop the chunks big enough to damage the pump innards, the fine dirt will get caught by the inline filter. --<< Bruce >>-- On Sep 15, 3:40 am, Bruce L. Bergman <blnospamberg...@earthlink.invalid> wrote: > >Well, just got to a stopping point, unfortunately. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Oh, come on! You want to use a fresh chunk of hose when swapping > fuel tanks, saving $3 is false economy. Umm, we're talking about a high pressure fuel line, about a foot long, with metric fittings (I'm guess, cos they sure didn't fit the pipe fittings i bought from the store). If I could have remedied it with a small piece of new hose, believe me I would have.. I just called the local dealer... the guy couldn't find the part on the diagram for an '83 Celica... maybe he was looking at the carbureted version. That one just has regular hoses.. I can tell you though, I know it's not going to be a $3 part! LOL > Can't be that much - and if it is, go get some fine nylon mesh from > a fabric store and a hose clamp. Leave the old sock there as a form, > and put a new layer on top. > > The sock only has to stop the chunks big enough to damage the pump > innards, the fine dirt will get caught by the inline filter. Lol, you'd be surprised how much Toyota likes their parts for old cars.. Had to replace the steering U-joint on my first Celica ... cost $145 from the dealer. Needed to replace the "charge relay" in the same car. $90 from the dealer... went to the junkers for that one.. Called one time to find out how much a new steering rack (manual, at that) was going to cost for the '82... somewhere around $600. I'm going to ride out there to the parts counter a little later.. i'll try to find out about the sock. Most likely, I'm going to fake it and do something like what you were talking about ... how about pantyhose? LOL... will they hold up in gasoline without turning to poo? follow this link for pics, if you care to see them: http://s428.photobucket.com/albums/qq1/nza_420/RA64/ Welllllllllllllllllllllllllllll./...... went by the Toyota dealer here in town... the guy had printed out the parts list for the carburetted version, as I thought. For some reason, he couldn't pull up the fuel-injected one... He tried to tell me that EFI didn't start on the 22R engine until '84... uhhhhh OKAY... sure thing.. I must have had a pretty RARE '83 Celica GT... so anyway.. he looked up an '84. I *guess* he found the right part.. showed me the screen and it *seemed* ok.. Well... seems that this particular hose (assuming we found the right part number) costs $169 and is not available in North America any longer! LOL! Looks like i'll be getting the one from VA! Someone I know assured me there's a local outfit in town that can make up a line for me with metric fittings.. who knows. I'll try to use the old one and as long as it's not leaking, it's golden. > follow this link for pics, if you care to see them: > > http://s428.photobucket.com/albums/qq1/nza_420/RA64/ What are your plans for the Supra? Is it a Sport Roof? It's the same color as mine. If you're parting out, talk to me first! > > follow this link for pics, if you care to see them: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > It's the same color as mine. If you're parting out, talk to me first! Let me find a pitcher of it. I really don't think it's a sport roof... isn't yours a markII? >> > follow this link for pics, if you care to see them: >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Let me find a pitcher of it. I really don't think it's a sport > roof... isn't yours a markII? No, mine's an '88. Canadian model Sport Roof. Same color. I had an '85 Celica GTS but some frame pieces were rusting. The original owner before me oiled the body, but not the underside... :( >> > follow this link for pics, if you care to see them: >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Let me find a pitcher of it. I really don't think it's a sport > roof... isn't yours a markII? Oh, yeah, and you really piss me off living somewhere cars don't rust!!! I had an '83 Tercel AWD wagon that succumbed to rust, the Celica GTS succumbed to rust, my '85 Corolla GTS succumbed to rust (but still lives in my back yard...) > The W58 > from the 86.5 Supra that I have (not the one here in GA) ..has a > different sized shifter. Was going to use that one in a celica W58, > but won't fit. WAIT!!! You *HAVE* a W58 from a Supra?!?! Where is it, and how much does it weigh, and how much do you want? You wouldn't happen to have the front drive shaft, too would you????? (Er, and the trans mount?) The big difference is the placement of the sh.t linkage at the rear of the trans, and the bell housing. > > The W58 > > from the 86.5 Supra that I have (not the one here in GA) ..has a [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > The big difference is the placement of the sh.t linkage at the rear of the > trans, and the bell housing. Yap, if the manual transmission that was in an 86.5 supra was a W58, then I do indeed have one. If not, then I'm sorry for teasing you! LOL! Was thinking of doing a 2JZ swap into the car, but that may be too far into the future to even consider. Maybe it isn't a W58. I don't know enough! Looks like one though.. The transmission is in VA as well as the Supra. I really don't know if I have the driveshaft.. I may, but I would probably have to answer "NO" to be safe.. Dunno how much it weighs but would say between 80 and 100 pounds. The tranny probably has 372,000+ miles on it and I can't say the condition of it. I bought the supra for 100 bucks... got the car only at first.. no motor, no transmission.. the guy who owned the shop where the car was "living" told me I could come back and get all the parts that were extra for no extra charge.. Also towed away an '81 celica gt automatic from the same place... the guy told me 200 bucks and he would get me the title... i drove out there 3 separate times, contacting the guy first to make sure he would be there... never got the title.. never paid for the car either.. LOL! anyway! always trying not to sound like an idiot here, but probably do most of the time! oh well $crew it! >> > The W58 >> > from the 86.5 Supra that I have (not the one here in GA) ..has a [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Yap, if the manual transmission that was in an 86.5 supra was a W58, > then I do indeed have one. If the car is a non-turbo, then it is a W58. I need the W58, the front shaft, the trans mount and the pedals to do a conversion. 373,000 miles?!?!?! > If not, then I'm sorry for teasing you! LOL! Was thinking of doing > a 2JZ swap into the car, but that may be too far into the future to [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > anyway! always trying not to sound like an idiot here, but probably > do most of the time! oh well $crew it! ok there's a picture of my supra here: http://s428.photobucket.com/albums/qq1/nza_420/General/ so you remember seeing a picture of this? Ok here's a picture of the $169 fuel hose: http://s428.photobucket.com/albums/qq1/nza_420/RA64/?action=view¤t=DSC06714.jpg let me know if the link doesn't work. Going to try and rob the fuel sock from the Supra's original fuel pump.. have a replacement that came with that 1JZ swap, so the original shouldn't be necessary.. > ok there's a picture of my supra here: > > http://s428.photobucket.com/albums/qq1/nza_420/General/ > > so you remember seeing a picture of this? Yeah. I chased a guy 8 miles yesterday cause I thought he was going to scrap an 89!! > I chased a guy 8 miles yesterday cause I thought he was going to scrap an > 89!! Well I'd say that was very honorable of you! LOL Got the white '85 running today ... so many friggin things to do to that car. I have a question... was there any *REAL* difference between the suspension on an ST vs. GT car? I could see maybe the anti-roll bars might be bigger on the GT, but from the looks of things, the springs are the same. Ok found a fuel sock that would fit the fuel pump... The new sock is from the fuel pump from an '89 Cadillac 4.5 V8 .... guess what? I didn't do the logical thing and *test* the pump before I put it in the tank and put the tank on the car (and put gas in the tank too.. LOL)... Figures! I have 12V going to the connector, so it has to be the pump... I think the pump innards are probably varnished in place.. I've dumped gas into the plenum and got the car to run that way... That's getting rather old, though, as the engine will only run for about 15 seconds at the most. When I crack the banjo fitting on the fuel filter under the intake, i get a little "PSST" but no fuel yet... i'm guessing it's just return pressure from the return line .. *shrug*. Remember I said the harnesses were the same? *BZZZZZZ* Wrong again. I had to pull the '82 harness off the engine and re-install the '85 harness into the car. Everything was the same, except a connector under the dash. ECU plugged in and everything. I tried pulling out all the wires, but the connectors were different sizes, so i decided to go with the original harness, since I had it. Unfortunately, some bonehead undid the connectors and half of them are broken.. At least the engine sounds healthy.. hasn't run in about 4 years or so. It's been sitting in a dank, spider-infested shed for the last three of those four years.. Initial cranking sounded like only 3 cylinders were going to run, but after it fired,... no problem. Never thought it would take so much work to get this car going again... whew! i'll bet this car would be beer cans by now if i hadn't 'rescued' it.. it's taken parts from two donors to get this one to its current state. Dunno what I would do without my spare parts! > On Sep 18, 5:08 pm, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > bars might be bigger on the GT, but from the looks of things, the > springs are the same. IIRC, the ST & GT had the same suspension but the GTS had IRS, and the GT had larger tires than the ST.  SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) > IIRC, the ST & GT had the same suspension but the GTS had IRS, and the GT > had larger tires than the ST. Excellent! That's what I wanted to here! I'm going to take the struts from the '82 ST and put them on the '85.. it feels like one spring is tweaked (and the car sits low on the driver's side, so) On Sep 22, 2:15 am, "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote: > IIRC, the ST & GT had the same suspension but the GTS had IRS, and the GT > had larger tires than the ST. Excellent! That's what I wanted to here! I'm going to take the struts from the '82 ST and put them on the '85.. it feels like one spring is tweaked (and the car sits low on the driver's side, so) ************ If you really get adventurous, you can swap out the rear live axle for an IRS setup! SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) On Sep 23, 12:12 am, "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote: > If you really get adventurous, you can swap out the rear live axle for an > IRS setup! I thought it was a different frame altogether (GT vs. GTS).... I have someone wanting to give me an '85 GTS.. of course, i'm going to accept it, but i didn' t think that the rear-end would swap to the car that I have! If you know for sure that it will swap, I'm going to do it! Shoot, as far as being adventurous, you should see what I've been doing to my friend's '94 Dodge pickup... for some reason, the wiring harnesses are really poo on those circa trucks... the heater core needed to be replaced as well.. so .. I have the whole dash out and am re-insulating the harness and replacing burnt wires.. I'm hoping the whole thing isn't going to burn up again .. My bro's '93 pickup had a similar problem, but I guess I caught it soon enough... It burnt a headlight switch and melted the connector, so I bypassed the circuit and have a switch with a 30 amp relay for each headlight, each with its own fuse. Here's a picture of where I am now with it: http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq1/nza_420/DSC06750.jpg It's been sooo enjoyable. At least the heater core sweetened the deal by a huge amount. It's amazing how caustic the 134a stuff is.. couldn't stand it on my skin for more than 10 minutes... On Sep 23, 12:12 am, "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote: > If you really get adventurous, you can swap out the rear live axle for an > IRS setup! I thought it was a different frame altogether (GT vs. GTS).... I have someone wanting to give me an '85 GTS.. of course, i'm going to accept it, but i didn' t think that the rear-end would swap to the car that I have! If you know for sure that it will swap, I'm going to do it! Shoot, as far as being adventurous, you should see what I've been doing to my friend's '94 Dodge pickup... for some reason, the wiring harnesses are really poo on those circa trucks... the heater core needed to be replaced as well.. so .. I have the whole dash out and am re-insulating the harness and replacing burnt wires.. I'm hoping the whole thing isn't going to burn up again .. My bro's '93 pickup had a similar problem, but I guess I caught it soon enough... It burnt a headlight switch and melted the connector, so I bypassed the circuit and have a switch with a 30 amp relay for each headlight, each with its own fuse. Here's a picture of where I am now with it: http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq1/nza_420/DSC06750.jpg It's been sooo enjoyable. At least the heater core sweetened the deal by a huge amount. It's amazing how caustic the 134a stuff is.. couldn't stand it on my skin for more than 10 minutes... ********** You are consdierably more adventurous than I am! I don't recall how the rear suspensions in the GTS, GT, and St were set up, whether they were mounted in some kind of cradle/sub-frame or whether they were just bolted to the unibody. I suspect that they were just bolted to the unibody. SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) On Sep 25, 11:25 pm, "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote: > You are consdierably more adventurous than I am! > > I don't recall how the rear suspensions in the GTS, GT, and St were set up, > whether they were mounted in some kind of cradle/sub-frame or whether they > were just bolted to the unibody. I suspect that they were just bolted to > the unibody. The guy paid $600 on the Dodge truck to have some "wiring specialist" supposedly to what I am doing to fix the harness now. They ran a bunch of jumpers with butt connectors (no soldered joints *AT ALL*) between the wrong things. Didn't even slice into the old taping of the wires to expose the corruption. I tell ya, once I got the dash outta the way, it became easier.. lol I think you're right about all the components being bolted to the unibody on the GTS.. That's how it is on the solid-axle version, anyway.. It's a 5 link setup and the four parallel links go into brackets on the body. Anyhow, back to the auto - manual conversion on the '85 GT! After I couldn't get the fuel pump to run, I took the in-tank pump out of the tank again and took the pump end apart. It's about 5 machined plates with passages and two intricate impeller wheels. You need the security torx bits to get it apart. The pump is a marvel of engineering if you ask me! This is the first one of these I've had to take apart. There was definitely no way the pump was ever going to run again without taking it apart. There are no gaskets to the thing, so i just screwed it back together and put it back in the tank after i cleaned it in clean fuel. (I'm a master at R&R of a celica gas tank now.. LOL) So the car still wouldn't run by itself. I had to jump the fuel pump test to get a little fuel and it would run until the thing lost pressure. I looked up the diagram for the pump circuit in the Bentley's manual that I have and it showed me that the circuit relies on the oil pressure switch to keep running as well. Ok, so i looked and that connector had been removed by someone, so I put a new on on there and hooked it up. Still the same thing. ... after becoming frustrated, I looked around the engine compartment again and the connector for the AFM was unplugged.. DERRRRR! LOL! Whaddaya know? It started right up immediately after I plugged it in. So, on to the pedals! I really screwed up here! I should have done the pedals first thing, with the engine still out of the car. I didn't try moving the steering column, but I did have to remove the brake booster and master cylinder to get enough clearance to get the pedals out of the '82.... Ah well! I doubt i'll ever have to do this conversion again, so.. can't really say "i'll know for next time".. LOL On Sep 25, 11:25 pm, "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote: > You are consdierably more adventurous than I am! > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > were just bolted to the unibody. I suspect that they were just bolted to > the unibody. The guy paid $600 on the Dodge truck to have some "wiring specialist" supposedly to what I am doing to fix the harness now. They ran a bunch of jumpers with butt connectors (no soldered joints *AT ALL*) between the wrong things. Didn't even slice into the old taping of the wires to expose the corruption. I tell ya, once I got the dash outta the way, it became easier.. lol I think you're right about all the components being bolted to the unibody on the GTS.. That's how it is on the solid-axle version, anyway.. It's a 5 link setup and the four parallel links go into brackets on the body. Anyhow, back to the auto - manual conversion on the '85 GT! After I couldn't get the fuel pump to run, I took the in-tank pump out of the tank again and took the pump end apart. It's about 5 machined plates with passages and two intricate impeller wheels. You need the security torx bits to get it apart. The pump is a marvel of engineering if you ask me! This is the first one of these I've had to take apart. There was definitely no way the pump was ever going to run again without taking it apart. There are no gaskets to the thing, so i just screwed it back together and put it back in the tank after i cleaned it in clean fuel. (I'm a master at R&R of a celica gas tank now.. LOL) So the car still wouldn't run by itself. I had to jump the fuel pump test to get a little fuel and it would run until the thing lost pressure. I looked up the diagram for the pump circuit in the Bentley's manual that I have and it showed me that the circuit relies on the oil pressure switch to keep running as well. Ok, so i looked and that connector had been removed by someone, so I put a new on on there and hooked it up. Still the same thing. ... after becoming frustrated, I looked around the engine compartment again and the connector for the AFM was unplugged.. DERRRRR! LOL! Whaddaya know? It started right up immediately after I plugged it in. So, on to the pedals! I really screwed up here! I should have done the pedals first thing, with the engine still out of the car. I didn't try moving the steering column, but I did have to remove the brake booster and master cylinder to get enough clearance to get the pedals out of the '82.... Ah well! I doubt i'll ever have to do this conversion again, so.. can't really say "i'll know for next time".. LOL ********** If anyone else wants to try the conversion, you'll be the expert! SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) On Sep 26, 11:00 pm, "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote: > ********** > If anyone else wants to try the conversion, you'll be the expert! Lol! Good luck finding two separate mark 3 celicas! I have seen maybe two other mk3 celicas in the swga/fla panhandle in the last couple of years. Once, I got off at an exit on I-95, and saw a Mk2 coupe with no rear axle abandoned on the side of the road... was wishing for my diesel and trailer at that point! Haven't ever seen another Mk2 celica around here.. There's a couple of Mk2 supras around here. On Sep 26, 11:00 pm, "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote: > ********** > If anyone else wants to try the conversion, you'll be the expert! Lol! Good luck finding two separate mark 3 celicas! I have seen maybe two other mk3 celicas in the swga/fla panhandle in the last couple of years. Once, I got off at an exit on I-95, and saw a Mk2 coupe with no rear axle abandoned on the side of the road... was wishing for my diesel and trailer at that point! Haven't ever seen another Mk2 celica around here.. There's a couple of Mk2 supras around here ********** I drove a lot of Mk2, Mk3, Mk4, and Mk5 Celicas for company cars, and I liked the Mk3 GTS the most. They were a lot of fun to drive! SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) > I drove a lot of Mk2, Mk3, Mk4, and Mk5 Celicas for company cars, and I > liked the Mk3 GTS the most. They were a lot of fun to drive! I've never driven a GTS, but I've loved the MK3 celicas since I got my first one.. On Sep 27, 1:24 pm, "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote: > I drove a lot of Mk2, Mk3, Mk4, and Mk5 Celicas for company cars, and I > liked the Mk3 GTS the most. They were a lot of fun to drive! I've never driven a GTS, but I've loved the MK3 celicas since I got my first one.. ***** The GTS had the Recaro-type seats, IRS, and wider wheels and tires. Think GT on rails! SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) > The GTS had the Recaro-type seats, IRS, and wider wheels and tires. Think > GT on rails! hmm very interesting! I think I will be taking those seats.. i haven't seen them, but hopefully they aren't *TOO* trashed I wonder how they kept the wider wheels from rubbing the tires.. I guess stiffer springs up front. I tried those wheels on a GT one time for a few miles.. lets just say it held the road better, but i could tell the wheels were stressing the car. (Not to mention, big dips made the tires scrub the inner-fenders). On Sep 28, 9:38 pm, "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote: > The GTS had the Recaro-type seats, IRS, and wider wheels and tires. Think > GT on rails! hmm very interesting! I think I will be taking those seats.. i haven't seen them, but hopefully they aren't *TOO* trashed I wonder how they kept the wider wheels from rubbing the tires.. I guess stiffer springs up front. I tried those wheels on a GT one time for a few miles.. lets just say it held the road better, but i could tell the wheels were stressing the car. (Not to mention, big dips made the tires scrub the inner-fenders). ********* Come to think of it, the GTS rode quite a bit more stiffly than the GT or ST. SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) hey man, i am about ready to part out the car. i will be willing to pull the parts without breaking them if you really want me to send them to you! I would really rather sell you the whole thing, ... good price man.. promise! I am overwhelmed by everything in my life , so i feel the need to pare the collection of cars... especially if i'm never going to be able to get the things on the road.. I want to get rid of them before the government tells me i have to pay THEM to get rid of the car... isn't that how it is in the UK? If Obama gets in the presidency, I see it coming quickly! A helicopter keeps flying over the property here in GA... even though everyone else can pay the good ol' boys to get whatever they want done, i can't afford it, so i have a feeling someone is going to start bitching pretty soon about my car collection in the back yard here.. Meanwhile, I'll be clinging to my guns, my toyotas, and my religion... take my guns from me... one bullet at a time. |
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