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LOL, all I need is a park bench and a ride. <http://dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/10/28/ajudgerul e.html?sid=101> COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) - A federal judge in Ohio has ruled that counties must allow homeless voters to list park benches and other locations that aren't buildings as their addresses. U.S. District Judge Edmund Sargus also ruled that provisional ballots can't be invalidated because of poll worker errors. Monday's ruling resolved the final two pieces of a settlement between the Northeast Ohio Coalition for the Homeless and Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner. The coalition agreed to drop a constitutional challenge to Ohio's voter identification law until after the Nov. 4 election. In return, Brunner and the coalition agreed on procedures to verify provisional ballots across all Ohio counties. The coalition was concerned that unequal treatment of provisional ballots would disenfranchise some voters. -- > LOL, all I need is a park bench and a ride. Tricky legal questions. Does the law specifically say what type of dwelling one must occupy in order to be eligible to vote? >> LOL, all I need is a park bench and a ride. > >Tricky legal questions. Does the law specifically say what type of dwelling >one must occupy in order to be eligible to vote? Of course not, but, since homeless people wouldn't be voting for mcSame, dbu would surely be against them voting at all.  Signaturegburnore at DataBasix dot Com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- How you look depends on where you go. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gary L. 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Prove your answer. > >> >> LOL, all I need is a park bench and a ride. > >> > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Yes or no? Prove your answer. A park bench is good enough. Didn't you read the courts determination? As for my cat, she's a U.S. citizen and has the right to vote. She meowed she's voting for obama, dumb cat, but what the hell can I do. She's also very independent, LOL. -- >>> Of course not, but, since homeless people wouldn't be voting for >>> mcSame, dbu would surely be against them voting at all. >> >> Oh hell yes I'm in favor of anybody voting, even my cat. > > Nobody said ANYONE should be able to vote. Why? You plan on placing limitations on who can vote? We had them at one time, if you remember your history. >>>> Of course not, but, since homeless people wouldn't be voting for >>>> mcSame, dbu would surely be against them voting at all. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > We had them at one time, if you remember your history. There ARE a few rules. Do they include what TYPE OF DWELLING one must live in? > >>>> Of course not, but, since homeless people wouldn't be voting for > >>>> mcSame, dbu would surely be against them voting at all. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > There ARE a few rules. Do they include what TYPE OF DWELLING one must live > in? Not in Ohio. -- >>> >> LOL, all I need is a park bench and a ride. >>> > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Does the law state what TYPE OF DWELLING one must occupy in order to be > eligible to vote? A park bench is not a dwelling unit. It never has been, until Obama supporters listed them as domiciles. >>>> >> LOL, all I need is a park bench and a ride. >>>> > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > A park bench is not a dwelling unit. It never has been, until Obama > supporters listed them as domiciles. Exactly what does the law of the land say about the type of dwelling one must live in, in order to be eligible to vote? This is an interesting issue. Let's not make it contentious. >>>>> >> LOL, all I need is a park bench and a ride. >>>>> > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > must live in, in order to be eligible to vote? This is an interesting > issue. Let's not make it contentious. I do not know the answer to that one. I think that making a park bench is a bit overly broad though. I would expect the address to be a residential property. In my state, we had a case a few years ago where a business owner listed his business address as the location to exercisae his voting rights. He was prosecuted and lost. A park bench is a location for which the cops might be inclined to evict the resident for lack of being a qualified dwelling unit. Assuming this is so, it ought not be an address that can be used to register to vote. >>>>>> >> LOL, all I need is a park bench and a ride. >>>>>> > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > the resident for lack of being a qualified dwelling unit. Assuming this is > so, it ought not be an address that can be used to register to vote. Well, it's an issue we might have to clear up if we end up with more politicians who send jobs overseas. >>>>>>> >> LOL, all I need is a park bench and a ride. >>>>>>> > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > Well, it's an issue we might have to clear up if we end up with more > politicians who send jobs overseas. Perhaps that is true, but not one week before an election. I believe the proper ruling would have been, too bad so sad wouldn't want to be you this election, then force the situation to be fixed before the next election. I see no reason that the court can's say, sorry but it's too close to the election to fix this problem now. But agree that it is a problem that should be resolved. Personally, I don't feel bad that it's a problem and I see no point in fixing it. Finding a permanent legal address to report is not that hard. People on park benches might be permitted to use the local YMCA address. The ripple effect that that creates though is that the park bench is in one precinct while the YMCA is in another one. I like the idea of precedent -- if there was _ever_ a case of taking a park bench as a legal address, then I concede my position. It there was never a case in the past, I see no point in letting one in now. As long as everyone has the same quality park bench, all is well... I'm surprised Obama isn't promising upholstered park benches for everyone > >> In article <ge82pt$r3...@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>, > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > - Show quoted text - In article <b61d0db6-f2e0-4586-a1b0-b02910790af3@u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com>, > As long as everyone has the same quality park bench, all is well... > I'm surprised Obama isn't promising upholstered park benches for > everyone QUIET!! SignatureWe cannot expect the Americans to jump from capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans small doses of socialism until they suddenly awake to find they have Communism." - Soviet Leader Nikita Khrushchev, 1959 > In article > <b61d0db6-f2e0-4586-a1b0-b02910790af3@u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > QUIET!! Do you really think this last minute "Hail Mary" to try and label Obama a socialist is really going to work? >> In article >> <b61d0db6-f2e0-4586-a1b0-b02910790af3@u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Do you really think this last minute "Hail Mary" to try and label Obama a >socialist is really going to work? Yes. Barry is a socialist. SignatureScott in Florida > >> In article > >> <b61d0db6-f2e0-4586-a1b0-b02910790...@u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > - Show quoted text - How's your park bench? Comfortable? Sunny? >>> In article >>> <b61d0db6-f2e0-4586-a1b0-b02910790af3@u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Barry is a socialist. Does it really matter to you if he is one or not? > >>> In article > >>> <b61d0db6-f2e0-4586-a1b0-b02910790af3@u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Does it really matter to you if he is one or not? Does it matter to you? I've already decided who I'm voting for. SignatureWe cannot expect the Americans to jump from capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans small doses of socialism until they suddenly awake to find they have Communism." - Soviet Leader Nikita Khrushchev, 1959 > > In article > > <b61d0db6-f2e0-4586-a1b0-b02910790af3@u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Do you really think this last minute "Hail Mary" to try and label Obama a > socialist is really going to work? Your toes are dragging again truk. SignatureWe cannot expect the Americans to jump from capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans small doses of socialism until they suddenly awake to find they have Communism." - Soviet Leader Nikita Khrushchev, 1959 >> > In article >> > <b61d0db6-f2e0-4586-a1b0-b02910790af3@u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Your toes are dragging again truk. You are rambling again deeb. > >> > In article > >> > <b61d0db6-f2e0-4586-a1b0-b02910790af3@u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > You are rambling again deeb. I'd rather be rambling than having my toes dragging truk. SignatureWe cannot expect the Americans to jump from capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans small doses of socialism until they suddenly awake to find they have Communism." - Soviet Leader Nikita Khrushchev, 1959 >> >> > In article >> >> > <b61d0db6-f2e0-4586-a1b0-b02910790af3@u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > I'd rather be rambling than having my toes dragging truk. Okay, I have to ask. Do you really mean "toes" - & I'm missing an expression, or do you mean "knuckles"?? Cathy > >> >> > In article > >> >> > <b61d0db6-f2e0-4586-a1b0-b02910790af3@u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Cathy I mean toes, toes. Are you dense or what? SignatureWe cannot expect the Americans to jump from capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans small doses of socialism until they suddenly awake to find they have Communism." - Soviet Leader Nikita Khrushchev, 1959 >> >> >> > In article >> >> >> > <b61d0db6-f2e0-4586-a1b0-b02910790af3@u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > I mean toes, toes. Are you dense or what? Apparently. Because I know of "knuckle draggers", but not "toe draggers". Enlighten me. You - or someone else. Cathy >> Okay, I have to ask. Do you really mean "toes" - & I'm missing an >> expression, or do you mean "knuckles"?? >> >> Cathy > > I mean toes, toes. Are you dense or what? OK, Cath, don't send *HIM* any of those fishnet pix!!! > >> Okay, I have to ask. Do you really mean "toes" - & I'm missing an > >> expression, or do you mean "knuckles"?? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > OK, Cath, don't send *HIM* any of those fishnet pix!!! She is narrow minded. I thought liberals were supposed to be worldly, open minded forward thinking, innovative. Watching this NG really has opened my eyes. SignatureWe cannot expect the Americans to jump from capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans small doses of socialism until they suddenly awake to find they have Communism." - Soviet Leader Nikita Khrushchev, 1959 > She is narrow minded. I thought liberals were supposed to be worldly, > open minded forward thinking, innovative. BWAHAHAHAHA!!!! Get into a discussion with one in my area and find out how "Open minded" they are! Either that, or they are *SO* open minded you can hear the wind whistling through like a train tunnel... >> She is narrow minded. I thought liberals were supposed to be worldly, >> open minded forward thinking, innovative. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Either that, or they are *SO* open minded you can hear the wind whistling > through like a train tunnel... alt.politics.republicans shows you just how open minded they are. Especially the 50 centers like JoeNoBedroom. Charles the Curmudgeon >> >> LOL, all I need is a park bench and a ride. >> > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Oh hell yes I'm in favor of anybody voting, even my cat. AH! The truth is out! You work for ACORN!!!! >> >> LOL, all I need is a park bench and a ride. >> > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Oh hell yes I'm in favor of anybody voting, even my cat. Yes, but you draw the line at your dead great-grandmother voting again. She already early-voted, she should not be voting on Tuesday too. Even you would draw the line on that. > >> >> LOL, all I need is a park bench and a ride. > >> > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > already early-voted, she should not be voting on Tuesday too. Even you would > draw the line on that. Even my bathroom toilet seat is now registered to vote. I haven't asked who it will vote for though. My cat is honest, she will only vote once, :) -- >> >> >> LOL, all I need is a park bench and a ride. >> >> > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > who it will vote for though. My cat is honest, she will only vote once, > :) Come on, we're not buying that. There's no such thing as an honest cat. Everybody knows a cat has nine lives, and will vote nine times. As long as it's registered Republican, I don't really care. >>> >> >> LOL, all I need is a park bench and a ride. >>> >> > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Everybody knows a cat has nine lives, and will vote nine times. As long as > it's registered Republican, I don't really care. My sister's two kids, Isabelle and Pebbles would vote if they were old enough. (One's 15 and one's 3, that's 95 and 21 in dog years, I guess that's old enough to vote.) They're McCain voters, though. Charles the Curmudgeon > >> >> >> LOL, all I need is a park bench and a ride. > >> >> > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Everybody knows a cat has nine lives, and will vote nine times. As long as > it's registered Republican, I don't really care. She meowed she was going to vote for barack. She'll get no more treats from me. SignatureWe cannot expect the Americans to jump from capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans small doses of socialism until they suddenly awake to find they have Communism." - Soviet Leader Nikita Khrushchev, 1959 >> LOL, all I need is a park bench and a ride. > > Tricky legal questions. Does the law specifically say what type of > dwelling one must occupy in order to be eligible to vote? I don't think "specifically" is a necessary quality of the law. Apparently I am wrong, but allow me to explain my logic. Only one family (in theory) lives at any given physical address -- an address where mail is delivered. Assuming this is true, then the number of eligible voters at that address would be limited. I'm not sure, but I think that a Post Office Box is not a viable address for the purposes of voter registration. I believe the physical address has to be a residential property that has an Assessor's Parcel Number (APN), which is the way they figure out what property taxes are. People that know this sort of stuff know that 350 N. Main is a residence or commercial building, or multi-family dwelling (apartment). Because any given address is an eligible dwelling unit, or not, the registrar knows how many people could be using that address for voting eligibility. I have 3 voters in my house, I assume the registrar would raise his or her eyebrows to find 15 or 20 voters using my address. I don't know because I've never heard of this happenbing, but I have no reason to think it hasn't or doesn't happen, I just don't know what the registrar of voters does when it happens. I don't really care, and am happy thinking they would look into that number of voters livinig in a 4 bedroom house. If I can go to the registrar and list my address as Bench #3 at Acme Park, there is no limit to the number of voters that could list that address. Verification of the Right To Vote based on that address would be impossible to ascertain, which by definition would open voting from that address to any number of voters that may or may not actually have the right to vote. Assuming there is a right to vote -- and nobody argues there is no right to vote -- what would prevent a "homeless" person or persons from listing Bench #3 and several dozen parks across the county, then voting at each of the princincts in those counties that the various parks lay within? You -- YOU, JoeEmptyBedroom -- will scream that McPalin "stole the vote" if he manages to pull off a come-from-behind victory. But what if the Obama victory is the result of voters from Bench #3 all being 1.) illegals that have no right to vote, 2.) registered voters in several princincts voting mulitple times, 3.) felons using a park bench as an address in states where felons are not elegible voters? Will you call for a cancellation of those votes, EVEN if it means taking the election away from O/Biden and giving it to McPalin? >>> LOL, all I need is a park bench and a ride. >> [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > cancellation of those votes, EVEN if it means taking the election away > from O/Biden and giving it to McPalin? Aint Neccesarily So. We lived in a 2-flat on 112th Place, along with the landlord. When the neighborhood 'changed', there were 4 families living there, 1 family upstairs, 2 on the main floor and one in the basement. When we lived in Whiskey Park, the Poles upstairs had at least two whole families living in a 1 bedroom apartment. Charles the Curmudgeon >> LOL, all I need is a park bench and a ride. > > Tricky legal questions. Does the law specifically say what type of > dwelling one must occupy in order to be eligible to vote? I wonder how legal it is for them to occupy those benches. Here in Wichita it would be illegal. >>> LOL, all I need is a park bench and a ride. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I wonder how legal it is for them to occupy those benches. Here in Wichita > it would be illegal. Exactly. Should we register voters that live in a refridgerator box down by the creek? I think not. Should we register voters on a steam grate on a sidewalk somewhere? >>>> LOL, all I need is a park bench and a ride. >>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > creek? I think not. Should we register voters on a steam grate on a > sidewalk somewhere? OK. I know that hypothetical ideas are unpopular in this newsgroup, even though our Supreme Court justices use them as tools all day long. But still, let's try one. What if someone lives in just one state where the weather is always mild, and they move from one campground to another. They hold down a job better than yours, but for reasons that are none of anyone's business, they choose to live in a tent. This person was born here, is gainfully employed, but chooses not to own or tent a home. Why should they be kept from voting in national elections? Sure - exclude them from voting in elections involving local districts because they move from town to town. But, why shouldn't they be able to vote for a presidential candidate? This is not about how to do it. This is about the issue of owning or renting traditional properties, and whether that should be a factor. >>>>> LOL, all I need is a park bench and a ride. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > This is not about how to do it. This is about the issue of owning or > renting traditional properties, and whether that should be a factor. So, voting rights are dependent upon the TYPE of election? In your scenario, which is valid I think, I think the voter would probably have similar sorts of banking issues that would make him have an address that is of a permenant nature. He would seek an absentee ballot for that address and pick it up at the campground office where his tent is pitched. I'm not sure people living on a park bench are receiving mail anywhere. The nature of living on a park bench tends to preclude getting a Cable TV bill, or any other kind of bill for that matter. Frankly, as a practical matter, people on a park bench are pretty well disconnected from the process to even care about voting. Having said that, and accepting that I am completely off base on this, I think that everybody exercising his right to vote should have a permanent legal address. >>>>>> LOL, all I need is a park bench and a ride. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > So, voting rights are dependent upon the TYPE of election? It might be. Many state & national campgrounds have limits to how long you can stay, and it's usually pretty short, like a week or two. I don't think anyone's got any business voting for school budgets or district-related politicians if they move from one district to another every few weeks. First of all, they have no real stake in what goes on in a particular school district, and second, they could conceivably end up voting for the same senator(s) in multiple locations. > In your scenario, which is valid I think, I think the voter would probably > have similar sorts of banking issues that would make him have an address [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > everybody exercising his right to vote should have a permanent legal > address. >>>>>>> LOL, all I need is a park bench and a ride. >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > school district, and second, they could conceivably end up voting for the > same senator(s) in multiple locations. My personal experience is that of my parents. They had a house, but lived in a motorhome or travel trailer for pretty much half of the time during thier retirement. Surely they would not register to vote at the campground where they were staying for any particular block of time, but they still had issue with the bank to stay on top of, so they had to find a way for the mail to follow them around the country. They could get a ballot from the city where they lived delivered to wherever they were at the time. We were once taliing about using a park bench as a voting address, you are yet to explain how this is remotely reasonable given the requirements put on the government to verify the address of the voter in order to prevent voter fraud. I'm all but certain that if Ohio becomes the Florida of '08, and the recounted ballots showed that there were several dozen, or hundred, voters that all voted for McPalin then you would ba among the loudest protesters that voting fraud had taken place. >>>>>>>> LOL, all I need is a park bench and a ride. >>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > that all voted for McPalin then you would ba among the loudest protesters > that voting fraud had taken place. What if that park bench resident never moves out of his or her district? Perhaps the solution is to verify identity only, ***AND*** to be able to verify whether that person has already voted elsewhere. We might be talking about national ID cards here, or fingerprint readers. >>>>>>>>> LOL, all I need is a park bench and a ride. >>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > verify whether that person has already voted elsewhere. We might be > talking about national ID cards here, or fingerprint readers. This illustrates the difficulty in talking to you, you have ADD. YOU presented the condition where the person moves from camp to camp, and I described how a person that actually does that deals with it. My town has a dozen parks, all of them in different precincts. My town is only about 30 square miles in size, so a park bench resident could in theory move from park to park and remain within the city, but would have to vote in the precinct of the park where he registered. There is no need for a national ID, all we need is for people to have a permanent address from which to register, and a post office box from which to receive a ballot. Such a person could vote with a provisional ballot with nothing more than an ordinary ID card or driver license. If a person can make the claim that he lives on a park bench, then why not a parking lot or a tent down by the creek or under a freeway bridge or, or, or. If a person can use all of these kinds of address to register to vote, how does the government set up any prevention to voter fraud? Voting carries a certain honor-system quality to it, but an address keeps those with little or no honor honest. >>>>>>>>>> LOL, all I need is a park bench and a ride. >>>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > presented the condition where the person moves from camp to camp, and I > described how a person that actually does that deals with it. You're funny. You are unable to think wide, so you blame me for being able to do so. Your solution to this voter problem requires everyone to have an address for receiving bills. What is someone has no bills? Does this mean they don't read enough to make them highly informed voters? >>>>>>>>>>> LOL, all I need is a park bench and a ride. >>>>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > You're funny. You are unable to think wide, so you blame me for being able > to do so. I'm all over thinking wide, but you go wide without completeing the previous play first. Ask a question, then be prepared to discuss the answer I give, THEN pose a new question or fad to a tangent -- your choice. My issue is, you ask a question, I answer, you ignore the answer as far as I can tell, and dive off in a whole different direction. > Your solution to this voter problem requires everyone to have an address > for receiving bills. What is someone has no bills? Does this mean they > don't read enough to make them highly informed voters? It's not MY solution, it's the solution I thought was already in place. It's insane to allow Bench 3 at Acme Park as a valid address for voter registration. They ought to set up voter registration at the YMCA, or equivelent, where the homeless people go already. >> Your solution to this voter problem requires everyone to have an address >> for receiving bills. What is someone has no bills? Does this mean they [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > They ought to set up voter registration at the YMCA, or equivelent, where > the homeless people go already. How many people out of all the homeless stay at the Y or other shelters on a regular basis? If they usually sleep under a certain bridge, in "x" subway station, on "x" park bench... They're supposed to list the place where they *usually* spend the night. Cathy >>> Your solution to this voter problem requires everyone to have an address >>> for receiving bills. What is someone has no bills? Does this mean they [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Cathy I don't know, and don't care enough to find out. Sorry. But they all know where the local shelter is, and I see no reason they can't use the shelter to not only register to vote but to physically vote at. My issue isn't really about homeless people, I'm worried about a group like ACORN (not that ACORN is involved in this sort of thing, but they illustrate the size and scope of the problem) from registering a park bench and then getting absentee ballots sent there -- to a surrogate address, obviously -- so that they can pack the ballot box, OR register several people at several park benches and then physically spend Election Day driving across town to the various precincts and physically voting -- and thereby packing the ballot box that way. I think that integrity of the voting pool needs to be protected, and when the system is opened to fraud by allowing registrations from places where living is illegal under any other conditions, then the integrity of the pool is diminished. How do we balance the integrity of the pool and let as many in as possible? Good question. But the answer is not that we let people register a dwelling unit as a cardboard box beside the creek, a grate in an alley, or a park bench. I believe all of these people should vote, but I also believe there is a way to bring them into the process and protect the integrity of the process at the same time. > But they all know where the local shelter is, and I see no reason they can't > use the shelter to not only register to vote but to physically vote at. Well, this is an excellent idea. Some will say it's yet another attempt by Big Brother who are trying tro control what they can't, but before that, take a look at it from the Humanitarian side. You could also set up a small clinic, give flu shots, maybe a hot lunch, and give *real* hope to people that need it, instead of lip service for a campaign. > LOL, all I need is a park bench and a ride. If a person is a US citizen age 18 or older, & is sane, s/he should be able to vote. Cathy > <http://dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/10/28/ajudgerul > e.html?sid=101> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > The coalition was concerned that unequal treatment of provisional > ballots would disenfranchise some voters. >> LOL, all I need is a park bench and a ride. > > If a person is a US citizen age 18 or older, & is sane, s/he should be able > to vote. > > Cathy Bottom line, yup. But that's not what the Constitution says... >> <http://dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/10/28/ajudgerul >> e.html?sid=101> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> The coalition was concerned that unequal treatment of provisional >> ballots would disenfranchise some voters. >>> LOL, all I need is a park bench and a ride. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Bottom line, yup. Once and only once per election. Charles the Curmudgeon > But that's not what the Constitution says... > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >>> The coalition was concerned that unequal treatment of provisional >>> ballots would disenfranchise some voters. > >> LOL, all I need is a park bench and a ride. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > But that's not what the Constitution says... Yep, only property owners. That was changed when it was discovered any yahoo can buy land and put up a shack. >> >> LOL, all I need is a park bench and a ride. >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Yep, only property owners. That was changed when it was discovered > any yahoo can buy land and put up a shack. Or that any yahoo can't buy land and has to live in an apartment. Thank God they changed it. I may not like WHO they have given rights to, but any citizen of the US should be able to cast a vote. That is a true Democracy. Now, someone explain the definition of citizen to ACORN, please... > > LOL, all I need is a park bench and a ride. > > If a person is a US citizen age 18 or older, & is sane, s/he should be able > to vote. > > Cathy And he or she must prove that he or she is a legal U.S. citizen. If they can do that then they can vote. SignatureWe cannot expect the Americans to jump from capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans small doses of socialism until they suddenly awake to find they have Communism." - Soviet Leader Nikita Khrushchev, 1959 > > LOL, all I need is a park bench and a ride. > > If a person is a US citizen age 18 or older, & is sane, s/he should be able > to vote. > > Cathy Sane? That leaves the rightwingnuts out of the voting booth. |
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