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{OT} Now Bambi is firing private industry execs? !!!!
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Scott in Florida - 30 Mar 2009 02:25 GMT You fools voted for this scum bag.....
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JoeSpareBedroom - 30 Mar 2009 13:32 GMT > You fools voted for this scum bag..... > > http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/20625.html Why reward him for failure? He has to go.
Scott in Florida - 30 Mar 2009 15:09 GMT >> You fools voted for this scum bag..... >> >> http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/20625.html > >Why reward him for failure? He has to go. That is NOT your president's job, dimwit....
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JoeSpareBedroom - 30 Mar 2009 15:33 GMT >>> You fools voted for this scum bag..... >>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Sot in Florida Since he's handing over MY TAX DOLLARS to General Motors, he can demand whatever terms he chooses as far as I'm concerned.
You, on the other hand, are OK with giving welfare to a CEO who is a failure.
ByTor - 30 Mar 2009 16:39 GMT > >>> You fools voted for this scum bag..... > >>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > You, on the other hand, are OK with giving welfare to a CEO who is a > failure. "Handing over," good choice of words Joe. Sounds like that's what this administration seems to be doing with ALL our money.
Jeff Strickland - 30 Mar 2009 16:39 GMT >>>> You fools voted for this scum bag..... >>>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Since he's handing over MY TAX DOLLARS to General Motors, he can demand > whatever terms he chooses as far as I'm concerned. Welcome to the Peoples Republic of the United States, comrade. We will tell you what you can and cannot do, and when you must do it.
> You, on the other hand, are OK with giving welfare to a CEO who is a > failure. JoeSpareBedroom - 30 Mar 2009 16:42 GMT >>>>> You fools voted for this scum bag..... >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Welcome to the Peoples Republic of the United States, comrade. We will > tell you what you can and cannot do, and when you must do it. So, you think corporations should receive welfare without passing any tests to prove they're worthy of getting it?
Conscience - 30 Mar 2009 16:44 GMT >> Welcome to the Peoples Republic of the United States, comrade. We will >> tell you what you can and cannot do, and when you must do it. > > So, you think corporations should receive welfare without passing any tests > to prove they're worthy of getting it? We elected a president that way. And Congress, well, that goes without saying.
Jeff Strickland - 30 Mar 2009 17:01 GMT >>>>>> You fools voted for this scum bag..... >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > So, you think corporations should receive welfare without passing any > tests to prove they're worthy of getting it? No, I don't thingk that at all. I think they should not get welfare. Period.
These people get paid big bucks to know what's happening. I could run GM if all that was required was I had to put my hat out for the government printers to fill up for me.
I'm not upset that the CEO stepped down, I'm upset that the government pushed him out. I'm also upset that the government wqrote the stupid bastard the big checks already, but that's a discussion for another day.
I run a small business, and nobody is sending me a bailout check. To be honest, they could bail me out for about two million dollars and then fire me, and that would be okay. I could cover all of my debts and retire on the rest. Government could bail out a couple of million guys like me for what they have spent on bailing out the other losers already.
You libs pitched a fit because Bush shredded the Constitution, but Obama is making Bush's actions look like child's play and you remain silent. I just don't get it.
ByTor - 30 Mar 2009 17:15 GMT > >>>>>> You fools voted for this scum bag..... > >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > making Bush's actions look like child's play and you remain silent. I just > don't get it. Because he walks on water........Where you been Jeff? Thats what happens when you get SO FAR in the tank for someone that any criticism of the 180 he took would make people admit that they were possibly wrong so its a deeper hole people dig for themselves living in denial. We all know the type of behavior that "denial" creates.
JoeSpareBedroom - 30 Mar 2009 17:23 GMT >>>>>>> You fools voted for this scum bag..... >>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > is making Bush's actions look like child's play and you remain silent. I > just don't get it. OK. So, some smart government people set guidelines which GM must follow in order to keep getting handouts. They determine that GM has not followed the guidelines. You think GM's board of directors, who are as guilty as the CEO, should decide whether to fire the CEO? You're crazy.
Jeff Strickland - 30 Mar 2009 16:38 GMT >> You fools voted for this scum bag..... >> >> http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/20625.html > > Why reward him for failure? He has to go. That is a decision for the board of directors to be making, not the government, and certainly not the President.
JoeSpareBedroom - 30 Mar 2009 16:43 GMT >>> You fools voted for this scum bag..... >>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > That is a decision for the board of directors to be making, not the > government, and certainly not the President. So, you think corporations should receive welfare without passing any tests to prove they're worthy of getting it?
Jeff Strickland - 30 Mar 2009 17:02 GMT >>>> You fools voted for this scum bag..... >>>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > tests > to prove they're worthy of getting it? You're a broken record Joe.
Two distinctly different responses by me get the same response from you.
JoeSpareBedroom - 30 Mar 2009 17:03 GMT >>>>> You fools voted for this scum bag..... >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Two distinctly different responses by me get the same response from you. You got the response you deserved. The board of directors failed, along with the CEO.
Jeff Strickland - 30 Mar 2009 17:13 GMT > You got the response you deserved. The board of directors failed, along > with the CEO. And for that, welcome to the People's Socialist Republic of America, comrade. We will tell you what you can and cannot do, and when you can do it.
Do you not understand the problems that come when government makes hiring and firing decisions for corporate America? It is far better for America to waterboard a few camel jockies held on a remote corner of a remote island and deal with the liberal bitchfest that comes from those claiming due process violations than to have this kind of crap going on and have to deal with the entire rest of the world because the dollar is no longer strong. You really don't understand that, do you?
This is a big problem for America.
JoeSpareBedroom - 30 Mar 2009 17:47 GMT >> You got the response you deserved. The board of directors failed, along >> with the CEO. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > This is a big problem for America. The CEO was asked to quit. He quit.
Jeff Strickland - 30 Mar 2009 20:43 GMT >>> You got the response you deserved. The board of directors failed, along >>> with the CEO. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > The CEO was asked to quit. He quit. Yes, and in the mean time the government is now acting like a giant Human Resources Department, and causing the dollar to tank because our economy is shifting away from one tht is driven by a free market to one that is driven by government.
Now, GM has a new guy at the helm, but still has a recovery plan that does not pass muster with the President.
JoeSpareBedroom - 30 Mar 2009 20:46 GMT >>>> You got the response you deserved. The board of directors failed, along >>>> with the CEO. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Now, GM has a new guy at the helm, but still has a recovery plan that does > not pass muster with the President. Good. I'm glad it doesn't pass muster with the president.
Jeff Strickland - 30 Mar 2009 21:09 GMT > Good. I'm glad it doesn't pass muster with the president. That part of the issue is fine. GM asked for a loan, and the government granted it with terms. GM has not met the terms and government is telling them to do the terms the way it wants.
But canning the CEO was not among the terms, and the board of directors should be making the decision as to whether the CEO gets canned or not. The government only gets to decide if it will lend more money or not.
I happen to think it should not have lended ANY money, but I've already lost that discussion. Government has no business making personnel decisions for any private company. sh.t, Obama can't even stick with the decisions he made relative to hiring lobbyists, and he put a tax dodge in charge of collecting taxes.
larry moe 'n curly - 30 Mar 2009 13:59 GMT Scott in Florida wrote:
> You fools voted for this scum bag..... > > http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/20625.html You're just angry because Rick Wagoner is another failed Republican.
Scott in Florida - 30 Mar 2009 15:10 GMT >Scott in Florida wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >You're just angry because Rick Wagoner is another failed Republican. It is NOT up to your president's whim....
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Jeff Strickland - 30 Mar 2009 17:06 GMT > Scott in Florida wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > You're just angry because Rick Wagoner is another failed Republican. It's not about Wagner, Larry. Nobody gives a rat's a.s that he stays or goes. The issue is that he should be fired by the board of directors, not the President. It is not the government's job to pull a performance review on the heads of companies. Barack Obama has just placed himself at the head of Human Resources for all of America's industries. This is not the role of government. It is certainly not the role of the President. Well, it apparently is the role of the President, but it ought not be.
ByTor - 30 Mar 2009 17:16 GMT > > Scott in Florida wrote: > >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > government. It is certainly not the role of the President. Well, it > apparently is the role of the President, but it ought not be. I thought that was going to be Giethner's job?
edspyhill01 - 30 Mar 2009 14:50 GMT > You fools voted for this scum bag..... > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Scott in Florida Just your favorite whipping group, welfare mothers - When you're on the dole and taking government money we tell you what to do. They could just file Chapter 11 and reorganize.
JoeSpareBedroom - 30 Mar 2009 16:11 GMT > You fools voted for this scum bag..... > > http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/20625.html http://money.cnn.com/2009/03/29/news/companies/motor_world.fortune/index.htm
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