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{OT} How STUPID can you be?!?!?

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Hachiroku ハチロク - 31 Mar 2009 01:54 GMT
I went to a WalMart* earlier today. I parked my car and had to walk across
the parking lot to get to the crosswalk to enter the store.

While walking across the 'aisle' in the parking lot, this guy in a
Cadillac comes around the corner, just slows down enough to change course,
and then speeds by me with inches to spare.

I went into the store and had to use the baffroom, and when I came out the
guy was standing in the Customer Service line, so I went up to him and
said, "I just wanted to thank you for nearly MOWING ME DOWN in the parking
lot. Are you here to renew your license?"

He looks at me and says, "You were in the MIDDLE of the parking lot!"

"SO WHAT?!?! I was crossing the lot! That gives you good reason to run me
over?!?!"

"You shouldn't have been there."

"In Massachusetts, pedestrians have the right of way. Even if not, you
often go running people down?"

"Pedestrians DON'T have the right of way."

"HUH?!?! YOU need to get a Driver's manual and read it."

(Note: my teeth have been bad all my life...) "You need to get dental."

"I can get dental. YOU need to grow a brain."

A couple people in the line snickered at that, and the guy got really mad
as I turned and walked away...
Fat Moe - 31 Mar 2009 02:03 GMT
> I went to a WalMart* earlier today. I parked my car and had to walk across
> the parking lot to get to the crosswalk to enter the store.
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
> A couple people in the line snickered at that, and the guy got really mad
> as I turned and walked away...

Was it Rick Wagoner trying to get a refund on the ties he won't be needing?
CharlesTheCurmudgeon - 31 Mar 2009 02:50 GMT
>I went to a WalMart* earlier today. I parked my car and had to walk across
> the parking lot to get to the crosswalk to enter the store.
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
> A couple people in the line snickered at that, and the guy got really mad
> as I turned and walked away...

In MOST states, pedestrians have the right of way, and that goes double in
parking lots.

Sir Charles THE Curmudgeon
CharlesTheCurmudgeon - 31 Mar 2009 03:10 GMT
>>I went to a WalMart* earlier today. I parked my car and had to walk across
>> the parking lot to get to the crosswalk to enter the store.
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
>
> Sir Charles THE Curmudgeon

In Illinois, if you hit a pedestrian, you might as well put your head
between your legs and kiss both your a.s and your drivers license good bye.
. . .

Sir Charles THE Curmudgeon.
Hachiroku ハチロク - 31 Mar 2009 03:40 GMT
>>> as I turned and walked away...
>>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> In Illinois, if you hit a pedestrian, you might as well put your head
> between your legs and kiss both your a.s and your drivers license good bye.

He was so close, I should have bucked the car with my knee and then fell
down clutching my knee and whimpering.

If it hadn't been raining, I might have...

http://lawyers.findlaw.com/lawyer/practice/Motor-Vehicle-Accidents----Plaintiff
CharlesTheCurmudgeon - 31 Mar 2009 08:09 GMT
>>>> as I turned and walked away...
>>>
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>
> http://lawyers.findlaw.com/lawyer/practice/Motor-Vehicle-Accidents----Plaintiff

So now I know what happened to Whiplash Wang!

http://www.mash4077.co.uk/season2.html

Sir Charles THE Curmudgeon
Jeff - 31 Mar 2009 03:12 GMT
> I went to a WalMart* earlier today. I parked my car and had to walk across
> the parking lot to get to the crosswalk to enter the store.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> He looks at me and says, "You were in the MIDDLE of the parking lot!"

Well, gee, what does he expect? People don't just park their cars and
sit there (excepting drive-in movies). They park their cars and get
out.

The guy does have a brain. He needs to learn how to engage it.

Jeff

> "SO WHAT?!?! I was crossing the lot! That gives you good reason to run me
> over?!?!"
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> A couple people in the line snickered at that, and the guy got really mad
> as I turned and walked away...
Scott  in  Florida - 31 Mar 2009 03:20 GMT
On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 20:54:54 -0400, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno@e86.GTS>
wrote:

>I went to a WalMart* earlier today. I parked my car and had to walk across
>the parking lot to get to the crosswalk to enter the store.
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
>A couple people in the line snickered at that, and the guy got really mad
>as I turned and walked away...

In Florida it is a Felony to attack anyone over 65....

Hit me arse hole....

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Scott in Florida

Jeff Strickland - 31 Mar 2009 03:56 GMT
>I went to a WalMart* earlier today. I parked my car and had to walk across
> the parking lot to get to the crosswalk to enter the store.
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
> A couple people in the line snickered at that, and the guy got really mad
> as I turned and walked away...

I have spent a lifetime telling my kids that parking lots are speed-free
zones. When one leaves the street and enters a parking lot, there is no
reason to take the car out of 1st gear, unless one needs to go backward or
actually park.
Hachiroku ハチロク - 31 Mar 2009 04:21 GMT
>>I went to a WalMart* earlier today. I parked my car and had to walk across
>> the parking lot to get to the crosswalk to enter the store.
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
> reason to take the car out of 1st gear, unless one needs to go backward or
> actually park.

This is Massachusetts.

Also, there was an article in a magazine I read about 30 years ago that
said the amount of gold chains a person wore was directly proportional to
how big an a.shole the person is.

This guy had two...
C. E. White - 31 Mar 2009 14:15 GMT
> "In Massachusetts, pedestrians have the right of way. Even if not,
> you
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> "HUH?!?! YOU need to get a Driver's manual and read it."

Being the curious sort, I wondered if this was really true, so I
looked up the Massachusetts vehicle code. As far as I can tell there
is not a law / rule / regualtion that grants pedestrians the right of
way in all circumstances. The nearest law to this states (see
http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/90-14.htm ):

"Upon approaching a pedestrian who is upon the traveled part of any
way and not upon a sidewalk, every person operating a motor vehicle
shall slow down."

The same laws also states you should slow down / stop for animals that
appear scared, bicycles, etc. It doesn't exactly say pedestrians have
the right of way, or that you need to stop for them, but I suppose
this may be implied (depending on the interpertation of judges, etc.).
It is possible town / cities have ordinances that do grant pedestrians
the right of way.

I also took a look at the Massachusetts' Drivers Manual (  ). It says
things like:
...
"Laws for Drivers
. You must yield to any pedestrians entering or using a crosswalk in
your travel path.
. Never let your vehicle block a crosswalk.
. You must yield to pedestrians if your traffic signal is red or if it
is red and yellow.
. Never pass a vehicle that has stopped or is slowing for a
pedestrian.

"Laws for Pedestrians
. Use a crosswalk if one is available.
. At crosswalks with pedestrian signals, use the push button on the
signal pole and wait for the WALK signal. Intersections without push
buttons will give you WALK signals automatically.
. Before you cross a roadway, stop at the curb and look left and right
for traffic. Be alert. Look out especially for cars turning onto the
road you are crossing.
....
"Turns on Red
After coming to a complete stop at a red traffic light, you are
allowed to turn right on red after giving the right-of-way to
pedestrians and other vehicles, unless a NO TURN ON RED sign is
posted. You may turn left on red following the same rules only if you
are turning from a one-way street onto another one-way street.
....
"Pedestrians
You must always yield to pedestrians who are walking in or crossing a
roadway. Also note these rules concerning pedestrians:
. If you are stopped at a traffic signal and the light turns green,
you must yield to any pedestrians already in the crosswalk before
proceeding.
. When turning, look for pedestrians crossing your intended path.
Pedestrians have the right-of-way if using a sidewalk or crossing a
driveway or an alley.
. Always yield to visually impaired (blind) people crossing a street.
You must remain stopped until the person has safely crossed. Do not
honk or wave the person on. Never pass another vehicle which is
stopped. Blind pedestrians may use a white cane or a guide dog. The
White Cane Law states that a driver must come to a complete stop when
a blind pedestrian is attempting to cross a street.

<I can't see where the actual laws says that "You must always yield to
pedestrians who are walking in or crossing a roadway" but the Drivers
Manaul does say that. >

"Turning Left
When making any left turn, you must first yield the right-of-way to
any...
. Oncoming vehicle
. Vehicle already in the intersection
. Pedestrians or bicyclists crossing your intended path of travel
....
"Private Roads, Driveways, and Unpaved Roads
If you are entering a paved thoroughfare from a private road, a
driveway, or an unpaved road, you must stop first and give the
right-of-way to pedestrians, bicyclists, or vehicles traveling along
the road you are entering.
....
"Rotary Traffic Rules
Traffic moves in a counter-clockwise direction around a rotary. You
must always yield the right-of-way to vehicles already in the rotary
(unless directed differently by local signs or police officers) and to
pedestrians. You should use your turn signals in the same way as any
other intersection: travel through the rotary and, when you are ready
to exit, use your right turn signal.
....
"Rules for Passing
In general, the law requires you to drive on the right side of the
road. When passing is allowed, you should pass on the left. Passing on
the right is allowed only in certain situations.
You should pass a pedestrian, bicyclist, or motor vehicle only when it
is necessary and safe to do so. You may not exceed the speed limit
when passing. If you have any doubt, do not pass.
....
"Rules for Pedestrians
When you are a pedestrian, you must remember the following rules:
. State law requires you to use a crosswalk when one is available.
When crossing at an intersection with a traffic signal, use the
pedestrian button and wait for the WALK signal. Intersections without
push buttons automatically give you WALK signals. Be patient!
. If the crossing signal flashes DON'T WALK, do not begin crossing. If
the signal stops flashing and stays steady, you may not cross.
. Before you cross a roadway, stop at the curb, look left, look right,
and look left again for traffic-even if it is a one-way street. Be
alert while crossing. Be especially alert at intersections that allow
motor vehicles to turn right on red.
. If you must enter the street from between parked cars, stop and look
before crossing.
. You must use a sidewalk when one is available. When no sidewalk is
available on a local roadway, you should walk on the shoulder facing
traffic.
. Never walk along or across expressways, interstate highways, or
turnpikes.
. Wear clothing with bright colors or reflective strips, especially at
night.
....
The Drivers Manuals includes the follwoing statement:

"Remember, the law says that you must slow down and stop if necessary
if a person is walking in the street you are traveling on. Always look
ahead for places where pedestrians may be in the road but not visible,
such as around a curve, at the top of a hill, or between parked cars."

As in the section on "pedestrians, I don't actually see that the
vehicle codes requires you to stop for a person walking in the road
(although I think it is necessary). The only thing I see is the law
that says you must slow down (nothing about stopping in the law, but
that may be implied).

To net things out - I don't see a Massachucetts law that
automattically grant pedestrians the right of way, but the Driver's
Manual certainly gives the impression that pedestrians have the right
of way. There clearly are rules / laws that say to slow down when
approaching pedestrians in the "way" (I think "way" is Massachucetts
speak for the road). Since parking lots are usually private property I
am not sure how the law applies, but certainly if a car hits aperson
in a parking lot, they are likely to end up on the wrong end of a law
suit.

Ed
Hachiroku ハチロク - 31 Mar 2009 15:27 GMT
> Being the curious sort, I wondered if this was really true, so I
> looked up the Massachusetts vehicle code. As far as I can tell there
> is not a law / rule / regualtion that grants pedestrians the right of
> way in all circumstances. The nearest law to this states (see
> http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/90-14.htm ):

There's this:

http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/89-11.htm

However, ask ANY cop, ANYWHERE in Mass. I had a girl at Amherst College
step out onto Rt 9 when I the bumper of my car was already in the
crosswalk. I went to the Amherst PD and the Sgt on duty said, "Your fault.
I've been a police officer for 14 years, and going down Mass Ave (UMASS)
with the lights and siren on have had students walk right in front of me
at 60 MPH! NOTHING I can do about it. PEDESTRIANS ALWAYS HAVE THE RIGHT OF
WAY."
C. E. White - 31 Mar 2009 15:53 GMT
>> Being the curious sort, I wondered if this was really true, so I
>> looked up the Massachusetts vehicle code. As far as I can tell
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/89-11.htm

That section is talking about crosswalks. Traffic laws almost always
grant pedestrians the right of way when they enter those. However, I
was talking about pedestrians walking / crossing the road ("way") at
unmarked / random locations. The Massachucetts law is not particualrly
clear on that - at least the way I read it.

> However, ask ANY cop, ANYWHERE in Mass. I had a girl at Amherst
> College
> step out onto Rt 9 when I the bumper of my car was already in the
> crosswalk.

I am not sure what you mean when you say "my bumper was already in the
crosswalk." Were you moving at a  reasonable speed, and your bumber
was already in the crosswalk, or were you stopped and inched into the
crosswalk? If the latter, you are in the wrong. If the former, well a
pedestrian that walks out in front of moving car at the last second is
an idiot and should be held libale for an unsafe action.

> I went to the Amherst PD and the Sgt on duty said, "Your fault.
> I've been a police officer for 14 years, and going down Mass Ave
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> RIGHT OF
> WAY."

How often do the Police claim things are in the law, that are not?
Hitting a pedestrian is not a good thing and must be avoided. However,
how often do you hear of an accidents where someone darted out in
front of a car and got hit and the driver was not charged? Clearly a
pedestrian's right of way is not absolute. No reasonable law would
assign blame to the driver of vehicle that hit a pedestrain if that
pedestrian took some clearly dangerous action (like jumping out in
front of a car at the last moment).

Ed
Hachiroku ハチロク - 31 Mar 2009 22:37 GMT
>>> Being the curious sort, I wondered if this was really true, so I
>>> looked up the Massachusetts vehicle code. As far as I can tell
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> unmarked / random locations. The Massachucetts law is not particualrly
> clear on that - at least the way I read it.

yup. That's the way I read it, too. But there are no jaywalking laws in
Mass. And I remember a long, long time ago (like, when I got my license)
the Driver's Manual saying "Anytime a pedestrian steps off the curb he has
the right of way..."
Mike Hunter - 31 Mar 2009 23:34 GMT
I believe if you search the Vehicle Codes of most any state, you will
discover the laws do not apply on privet property.   One does not need a
license to drive on private property.  As far as I know the regulations in
most state motor vehicle codes apply only on the roadways, open to the
public, not the parking lots.

I read in the local paper about a guy who backed into a light standard in a
mall parking lot.   He was charged with DUI, but his acquitted in court when
his lawyer pointed out he did not even need a license to drive on the lot in
front of the bar where he had been drinking    :)

>>>> Being the curious sort, I wondered if this was really true, so I
>>>> looked up the Massachusetts vehicle code. As far as I can tell
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> the Driver's Manual saying "Anytime a pedestrian steps off the curb he has
> the right of way..."
 
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