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Car Forum / Toyota / Toyota Cars / April 2009Actual Toyota question........Seriously.....;0)
I have a 2002 Highlander Special Edition hooey blah blah. My wife noticed grinding when she was breaking. I looked at all the rotors & 3 of them were nice & smooth. The left front on the other hand had serious grinding gouging type marks on the entire circumference of the "top" edge of the rotor, about a half inch thicknes. i mean it really dug into the metal, on only this one rotor. I also noticed when I finally drove it before this that when I braked lets says coming off of a ramp stopping from like 60mph the front end of the truck would "vibrate" pretty seriously. Im taking it to the mechanic in the morning & hopefully someone can give me some info before than tonight on what may be the cause of both issues. I don't know if the grinding was the result of what I noticed weeks before so maybe its not related. Someone mentioned to me tie rods may be the cause of the vibrating or warped rotor maybe? Thanks guys, would appreciate any info.......Its not politics for once........:0) > I have a 2002 Highlander Special Edition hooey blah blah. My wife > noticed grinding when she was breaking. I looked at all the rotors & 3 [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Thanks guys, would appreciate any info.......Its not politics for > once........:0) This is so obvious. Your wife is a closet Republican. > > I have a 2002 Highlander Special Edition hooey blah blah. My wife > > noticed grinding when she was breaking. I looked at all the rotors & 3 [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > This is so obvious. Your wife is a closet Republican. Oh please Joe.........(LMAO) Trust me, my wife is one of the biggest liberals you'll ever meet, this is what I have to deal with everyday. She's the type that likes to comment about everything but does "NO" research, does not watch the news, does not stay informed & could care less but she'll go out & vote. I'm not generalizing all Democrats but her type seems to be a predominant force of most I've met & spoke with. Most I've spoke with in good ol' liberal Pennsylvania here voted for Obama but when I asked them who the house speaker was or who Chriss Dodd was they had no idea, pretty sad when people don't even know the basics. > I have a 2002 Highlander Special Edition hooey blah blah. My wife > noticed grinding when she was breaking. I looked at all the rotors & 3 [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Thanks guys, would appreciate any info.......Its not politics for > once........:0) When inspecting rotors, it is necessary to remove the wheels to see the inboard surface of the rotor. Inner and outer brake pads can wear unevenly if the caliper slide is sticking. The gouge marks are the result of worn brake pads, and the metal backing plate for the pads is touching the rotor instead of the softer brake lining material. The vibration could be the result of the brake pad backing touching the rotor in stead of the lining material. Warped rotors usually cause what is described as a pulsation. At this point, you probably need to at least have the front rotors and pads replaced and the caliper slides cleaned and lubed. If the brake fluid has never been replaced, it would be a good idea to have that done at the same time.  SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) > > I have a 2002 Highlander Special Edition hooey blah blah. My wife > > noticed grinding when she was breaking. I looked at all the rotors & 3 [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > never been replaced, it would be a good idea to have that done at the same > time. Thanks Ray O........I've had issues with brakes with this vehicle in the past as well but I doubt its the vehicles fault. One fault is DEFINATELY the driver, the WIFE, with her I seem to go through brakes & rotor replacements to quickly. Second is this is becoming a pattern with my mechanic, not the first time I got warped rotors from him & screwed up new tires.....Gettin tired of it ya know.......;0) Thanks for all the info. >> > I have a 2002 Highlander Special Edition hooey blah blah. My wife >> > noticed grinding when she was breaking. I looked at all the rotors & 3 [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > Thanks for all the info. You're welcome. Front brake pad life is usually around 40,000 miles, depending on driving conditions and driving style. As Tegger mentioned, it is a good idea to inspect the brakes at least twice a year. The easiest time to inspect the brakes is when you rotate the tires, since the wheels have to come off anyway. On a vehicle with disc brakes, it takes less than a minute to visually inspect each corner, and with drum brakes, it takes a little longer to get the drum off if there is no inspection hole. If your mechanic is not checking the caliper slides every time he or she does a brake job, then the job is incomplete. If the wheels are going on with an impact gun instead of a torque wrench or if a torque stick is not used properly, rotor warpage can result. Doing brake jobs is a fairly easy DIY project, and once you get the hang of it, can be done in about an hour without pneumatic tools and about 45 minutes with pneumatic tools. SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) > >> > I have a 2002 Highlander Special Edition hooey blah blah. My wife > >> > noticed grinding when she was breaking. I looked at all the rotors & 3 [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > with an impact gun instead of a torque wrench or if a torque stick is not > used properly, rotor warpage can result. This is good info & I will definately ask him about this becuase I'm tired of this crap with this truck. I believe about 6 months ago I had the rear rotors replaced & THAN 2 months later I bring the truck back becauase the WIFE never noticed the wierd feeling I felt when I drove it, turns out the rears were WARPED......He replaced them free of charge of course but like I said I'm getting real frustrated, I wanna bomb this Highlander......;0) > Doing brake jobs is a fairly easy DIY project, and once you get the hang of > it, can be done in about an hour without pneumatic tools and about 45 > minutes with pneumatic tools. I can rip apart computers, fix them and make a MEAN pizza but me & cars don't get along doing my own maintanence........;0) BTW: Mechanic looked at the vehile today and said that the brake hose collapsed? So I assume this led to the uneven grinding/gouging on the rotor? The left front is the culprit but the right front was still damn near brand new. This stuff gives me a headache.............LOL Thanks for all the info I really appreciate it..........;0) >> >> > I have a 2002 Highlander Special Edition hooey blah blah. My wife >> >> > noticed grinding when she was breaking. I looked at all the rotors & 3 [quoted text clipped - 84 lines] > > Thanks for all the info I really appreciate it..........;0) One thing I have learned: get the best rotors you can (bearing in mind the overall condition of the car...) My '85 Celica needed brakes, so considering it was a $250 beater (looked good, engine smoked BAD and suspension was so-so) I got the $28 rotors for the car. Odd thing was, they warped in about 15,000 miles. Since I blew my knee out crawling on the ground, I said SCREW IT and just drove it... In 5,000 miles they evened out again! Supra? Uh-Uh. $65 per rotor. Made in USA (others were made...Guess Where?!?! HINT: They probably had lead in them...) Scion gets genuine Toyota when they need replacing. And my Mom's car, an '86 Camry with 80,000 miles get real Toyota parts, too... Your mechanic is probably getting the bottom or medium rotors and jacking the price up. Rotors for my '83 Tercel AWD were $8!!!!!! > >> >> > I have a 2002 Highlander Special Edition hooey blah blah. My wife > >> >> > noticed grinding when she was breaking. I looked at all the rotors & 3 [quoted text clipped - 87 lines] > One thing I have learned: get the best rotors you can (bearing in mind the > overall condition of the car...) I have a 12 year old 96 Tercel in damn near excellent condition still, the wifes car, 2002, runs like sh.t, I guess when can see who pays attention to "condition" upkeep.......(LMAO) > My '85 Celica needed brakes, so considering it was a $250 beater (looked > good, engine smoked BAD and suspension was so-so) I got the $28 rotors for [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > In 5,000 miles they evened out again! (LMAO).........I have NO such luck! > Supra? Uh-Uh. $65 per rotor. Made in USA (others were made...Guess > Where?!?! HINT: They probably had lead in them...) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Your mechanic is probably getting the bottom or medium rotors and jacking > the price up. Rotors for my '83 Tercel AWD were $8!!!!!! As I told Ray O I am considering changing mechanics. You guys gave me good clues on shoddy work. I would have never thought, as they use their impact gun ALL THE TIME, or leaving calipers dangling like that cause problems. Its the little things us silly consumers don't know......;0) Thanks for your help, I appreciate it, I learn something new & good everyday! >> >> >> > I have a 2002 Highlander Special Edition hooey blah blah. My wife >> >> >> > noticed grinding when she was breaking. I looked at all the [quoted text clipped - 153 lines] > Thanks for your help, I appreciate it, I learn something new & good > everyday! http://www.cartalk.com/content/mechx/ Click on "Find a mechanic" to see other peoples' comments on their mechanics. Maybe some of the entries are "plants", but some probably aren't. >Click on "Find a mechanic" to see >other peoples' comments on their mechanics. Maybe some of the entries are >"plants", but some probably aren't. Talk about an idiotic post.... 'maybe some of the entries are "plants".... ROFLMAO Thanks for the help, dolt.... SignatureScott in Florida >>Click on "Find a mechanic" to see >>other peoples' comments on their mechanics. Maybe some of the entries are [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Thanks for the help, dolt.... My statement was 100% accurate and perfectly understandable by anyone who is not senile. Explain your problem with my statement. > >>Click on "Find a mechanic" to see > >>other peoples' comments on their mechanics. Maybe some of the entries are [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Explain your problem with my statement. you being snide and foolish again jsb Signature"Barack Obama went to Harvard and became an educated fool. Barack is a person who read about the civil-rights protests and thinks he knows all about it." Bobby Rush >> >>Click on "Find a mechanic" to see >> >>other peoples' comments on their mechanics. Maybe some of the entries [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > you being snide and foolish again jsb Your response made no sense, as always. This is the statement which the drunk from Florida objected to: "Click on "Find a mechanic" to see other peoples' comments on their mechanics. Maybe some of the entries are "plants", but some probably aren't." Explain what you disagree with in that factual statement. >>> >>Click on "Find a mechanic" to see >>> >>other peoples' comments on their mechanics. Maybe some of the entries [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > >Explain what you disagree with in that factual statement. Find a mechanic.....but be careful the information may be bad. Now if that isn't the stupidest piece of advice anyone has EVER put on here..... SignatureScott in Florida >> >> > I have a 2002 Highlander Special Edition hooey blah blah. My wife >> >> > noticed grinding when she was breaking. I looked at all the rotors & [quoted text clipped - 99 lines] > > Thanks for all the info I really appreciate it..........;0) If the brake rotors warped in 2 months, one or more of the following happened: 1) the rotors were cut instead of replaced with brand new; 2) cheap aftermarket parts were used; 3) the wheels were improperly installed with an impact gun; 4) the caliper slides were not properly serviced; 5) the brakes got very hot, like when someone rides the brake pedal down a long incline, and then cold water was splashed on the rotors when driving through a deep puddle at the bottom of the incline. Collapsed brake lines are not unheard of, but that condition usually doesn't appear until the vehicle is around 15 or 20 years old and the brake fluid is not flushed every 2 or 3 years. On a vehicle that is only 7 years old, I'd bet the caliper was allowed to dangle from the hose during a brake job, or the hose was allowed to twist or kink when setting it on top of the backing plate while doing the brake job. In either case, that is a sign of sloppy or poor workmanship. I don't know the quality of the work or experience of the person working on your car, but there are a lot of clues that would make me start shopping for another shop. SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) > >> >> > I have a 2002 Highlander Special Edition hooey blah blah. My wife > >> >> > noticed grinding when she was breaking. I looked at all the rotors & [quoted text clipped - 121 lines] > your car, but there are a lot of clues that would make me start shopping for > another shop. Exactly Ray O!! I told my wife, along with remarking about her driving, that it may be time to shop for a new mechanic. That was a great list you gave me and I can guarantee that 3 & 4, impact gun & letting the caliper dangle this shop is definately guilty of (I've sttod there a few times watching them work). Shame is I've known & used this guy for years and he really is a good guy, its the a.sholes working for him that seem to do shoddy work. But I have no choice, my wife drives 140 miles a day 5 days a week with this vehicle and I can't keep having this bullshit with brakes & tires. 15 months ago the muffler (original factory) on my 96 Tercel finally went, there was a hole in a certain part behind the muffler. He explained something about the difference between a factory and aftermarket part so the entire muffler & pipe up to the engine had to be replaced, the muffler itself was STILL good...(LMAO) Anyways just recently, about a month & a half ago the same area where this clamp or something is behind the muffler frikkin rotted already!!! He told me it was fixable and he has all the special equipment himself now for muffler specializing. He called me back and said when he pulled on it it snapped & broke, now mind you he made the situation worse but he could have lied to me you know, instead he cashed in on another cars warranty that had almost 12 months on it & replaced everything free. I decided because from what I understand Pennsylvania is horrible on rotting mufflers for some reason I paid a little extra for a lifetime warranty. Basically I'm saying its a tough call, he really is a decent guy, especially when he also has done many things for me & hasn't charged me. But really, thanks for the info, it is the small things like your list there that some consumers don't know about & may make a good argument from reall a.shole mechanics...........;0) <snipped> >> If the brake rotors warped in 2 months, one or more of the following >> happened: [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > there that some consumers don't know about & may make a good argument > from reall a.shole mechanics...........;0) If you decide to look for another shop, look for one with a lot of ASE certificates hanging on the wall. If a shop has trouble doing a brake or muffler job, they are really going to have a tough time diagnosing or repairing anything more difficult than Auto Shop 101. By the way, exhaust systems rot more quickly on vehicles that are used for many short trips because the condensation that has collected doesn't have a chance to completely dry out. I'd bet that the muffler in your wife's car is in excellent condition. SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) > <snipped> > [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > chance to completely dry out. I'd bet that the muffler in your wife's car > is in excellent condition. Yes it is........;0) I've also heard that because my car sits, not used much lately, that also contributes. Come to think of it I park on the graveled side of my driveway, not sure if that also doesn't help. >> <snipped> >> [quoted text clipped - 93 lines] > also contributes. Come to think of it I park on the graveled side of my > driveway, not sure if that also doesn't help. Sitting on the driveway shouldn't contribute to exhaust system corrosion as long as the car was run long enough to dry out the condensation in the exhaust before it is parked. OTOH, if the car is run less than 5 or 10 minutes and then parked for a long time, the condensate sits in the exhaust system, with plenty of time to corrode it from the inside out. If you have an exhaust system installed by a Toyota dealer, you will have a lifetime warranty on parts and labor for the installed components. SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) > >> <snipped> > >> [quoted text clipped - 101 lines] > an exhaust system installed by a Toyota dealer, you will have a lifetime > warranty on parts and labor for the installed components. Thanks Ray O........Between that and my car battery is the only trouble I have with my Tercel. 12 years old & it runs like a top. But you are right, I mean I was out of work for 6 months and it did sit in the driveway a lot with a few short runs but I did pay extra after the muff was replaced free for lifetime warranty. Couple of times I had to jump the battery but recently its been fine, I mean I'm working 7 days a week for now 12 hours a day driving 34 miles total so I should be good......;0) Thanks for all yer help........;0) <snipped> > Thanks Ray O........Between that and my car battery is the only trouble > I have with my Tercel. 12 years old & it runs like a top. But you are [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Thanks for all yer help........;0) You're welcome! SignatureRay O (correct punctuation to reply) ByTor <ByTor@snowdog.com> wrote in news:003c6b68$0$20450$c3e8da3 @news.astraweb.com: > I have a 2002 Highlander Special Edition hooey blah blah. My wife > noticed grinding when she was breaking. I looked at all the rotors & 3 > of them were nice & smooth. The left front on the other hand had serious > grinding gouging type marks on the entire circumference of the "top" > edge of the rotor, about a half inch thicknes. i mean it really dug into > the metal, on only this one rotor. Then the brake pad on that side is down to the steel backing. Brake pads do not wear 100% evenly, but the differences do not matter until the friction surfaces wear to close to their limits. At that point one pad will go to the steel before the others if allowed to do so. Time for a brake job, with two new front rotors! > I also noticed when I finally drove it before this that when I braked > lets says coming off of a ramp stopping from like 60mph the front end of > the truck would "vibrate" pretty seriously. That's the steel backing contacting the rotor. It can sound pretty dramatic. > Im taking it to the mechanic in the morning & hopefully someone can give > me some info before than tonight on what may be the cause of both > issues. I don't know if the grinding was the result of what I noticed > weeks before so maybe its not related. Someone mentioned to me tie rods > may be the cause of the vibrating or warped rotor maybe? The tie rod ends will have zero to do with this problem. Neglect of the braking system, on the other hand, will. You can avoid this sort of thing simply by inspcting the brakes twice per year. You need to remove the road wheel to inspect, but do not need to remove the caliper from the rotor. SignatureTegger > Someone mentioned to me tie rods > may be the cause of the vibrating or warped rotor maybe? > > Thanks guys, would appreciate any info.......Its not politics for > once........:0) Sorry. Can't help you. No one here really knows anything about Toyotas except how to put the key in and shift the AT. Some expected responses: 1. It's Bush's fault. 2. It's Cheney's fault. 3. It causes Global Warming. 4. It's caused BY Global Warming. 5. Eff you, you effing meathead Neocon. Good luck... >> Someone mentioned to me tie rods >> may be the cause of the vibrating or warped rotor maybe? [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Good luck... Don't forget: 6. slave-owning, rich, white, Founding Fathers are at fault Signature"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.” -- SCOTUS Chief Justice John Lay, 1816 > > Someone mentioned to me tie rods > > may be the cause of the vibrating or warped rotor maybe? [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Good luck... (LMAO).....Thx Hach! |
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