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{OT} Top Lawmaker Wants Mileage-Based Tax On Vehicles

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ACORN - 29 Apr 2009 00:54 GMT
:)

The dim's are behind it so this is good, right?

:)

Wow, I can't wait.....I don't drive much so it won't affect me.  I'm all
for it.  Bring it on!!!  Maybe I'll even get some money back, :)

<http://wcco.com/politics/oberstar.vehicles.tax.2.996701.html>

WASHINGTON (AP)  


   Rep. James Oberstar, D-Minn., said he believes the technology exists
to implement a mileage tax.  

A House committee chairman said Tuesday that he wants Congress to enact
a mileage-based tax on cars and trucks to pay for highway programs now
rather than wait years to test the idea.

Rep. James Oberstar, D-Minn., said he believes the technology exists to
implement a mileage tax. He said he sees no point in waiting years for
the results of pilot programs since such a tax system is inevitable as
federal gasoline tax revenues decline.

"Why do we need a pilot program? Why don't we just phase it in?" said
Oberstar, the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee
chairman. Oberstar is drafting a six-year transportation bill to fund
highway and transit programs that is expected to total around a half
trillion dollars.

A congressionally mandated commission on transportation financing
alternatives recommended switching to a vehicle-miles traveled tax, but
estimated it would take a decade to put a national system in place.

"I think it can be done in far less than that, maybe two years,"
Oberstar said at a House hearing. He was responding to testimony by Rep.
Earl Blumenauer, D-Ore., who recommended that the transportation bill
include pilot programs in every state to test the viability of a
mileage-based tax.

Blumenauer said public acceptance, not technology, is the main obstacle
to a mileage-based tax.

Pilot programs "would be able to increase public awareness and comfort
and it would hasten the day we could make the transition," Blumenauer
said.

Oberstar shrugged off that concern.

"I'm at a point of impatience with more studies," Oberstar said. He
suggested that Rep. Peter DeFazio, D-Ore., chairman of the highways and
transit subcommittee, set up a meeting of transportation experts and
members of Congress to figure out how it could be done.

The tax would entail equipping vehicles with GPS technology to determine
how many miles a car has been driven and whether on interstate highways
or secondary roads. The devices would also calculate the amount of tax
owed.

"At this point there are a lot of things that are under consideration
and there is also a strong need to find revenue," Oberstar spokesman Jim
Berard said. "A vehicle miles-traveled tax is a logical complement, and
perhaps a future replacement, for fuel taxes."

Gas tax revenues -- the primary source of federal funding for highway
programs -- have dropped dramatically in the last two years, first
because gas prices were high and later because of the economic downturn.
They are forecast to continue going down as drivers switch to fuel
efficient and alternative fuel vehicles.

Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood has ruled out raising gas taxes to
make up for the funding shortfall, and the White House has rejected a
mileage-based tax. They have not offered an alternative.

"The funding of the highway trust fund is a complex issue that will
require consultation with Congress and consideration of a number of
creative ideas," said Transportation Department spokeswoman Jill
Zuckman. "The secretary looks forward to working with Chairman Oberstar
and others as they consider how to keep the highway trust fund going."

A mileage-based tax has been unpopular in some states where it has been
proposed. Critics say it unfairly penalizes drivers who live in rural
areas and intrudes on privacy.

"When we can solve the equity issues to a majority's satisfaction in the
Congress, when we can solve the privacy issues to the satisfaction of
the American people, we can look at moving forward, but I just don't
think we have the data or the experience right now to say we can set a
timeline or a deadline," DeFazio said in a recent interview."
SMS - 29 Apr 2009 01:54 GMT
> "Why do we need a pilot program? Why don't we just phase it in?" said
> Oberstar, the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee
> chairman. Oberstar is drafting a six-year transportation bill to fund
> highway and transit programs that is expected to total around a half
> trillion dollars.

Wouldn't just raising the gasoline tax be easier? A mileage based
rewards those that buy less fuel efficient vehicles, while a gasoline
tax punishes them.
Jeff - 29 Apr 2009 02:19 GMT
> > "Why do we need a pilot program? Why don't we just phase it in?" said
> > Oberstar, the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> rewards those that buy less fuel efficient vehicles, while a gasoline
> tax punishes them.

In addition, a gasoline tax rewards those who drive in a more fuel
efficient manner (e.g., slow acceleration and careful stops) while
punishing those who drive with jack-rabbit starts, suddent stops and
high speeds.

Jeff
ACORN - 29 Apr 2009 02:34 GMT
> > "Why do we need a pilot program? Why don't we just phase it in?" said
> > Oberstar, the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> rewards those that buy less fuel efficient vehicles, while a gasoline
> tax punishes them.

But if you drive more, shouldn't you pay more?  The rich will always
have enough money to buy fuel, regardless of how much the tax on fuel
is.  Curbing driving and therefore getting more of those drivers into
mass transit is what this is all about, isn't it?  That is where the
Democrats really have their intentions.  Getting people together and in
mass.....mass transit.
SMS - 29 Apr 2009 02:56 GMT
> But if you drive more, shouldn't you pay more?  The rich will always
> have enough money to buy fuel, regardless of how much the tax on fuel
> is.  Curbing driving and therefore getting more of those drivers into
> mass transit is what this is all about, isn't it?

The rich will always have money to pay the mileage tax as well.

The rich (and middle class) will not ride mass transit except when it's
faster and more convenient than driving, i.e. in the NYC Metro area
where even the rich take trains to NYC.

> That is where the
> Democrats really have their intentions.  Getting people together and in
> mass.....mass transit.

The infrastructure isn't there, thanks the the Republicans, and building
it will take far more than eight years!
ACORN - 29 Apr 2009 12:13 GMT
> > But if you drive more, shouldn't you pay more?  The rich will always
> > have enough money to buy fuel, regardless of how much the tax on fuel
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> The infrastructure isn't there, thanks the the Republicans, and building
> it will take far more than eight years!

Thanks to the Republicans???   The Democrats ruled congress for many
more years in the past half century than the Republicans, how come they
didn't do something?

I assume you know mass transit requires gobs and gobs of money AND land,
privately owned land, which in many cases requires the government to
take it, (eminent domain) and it does not go over very well with
constituents.  Perhaps that is why the Democrats did not want to pursue
mass transit.  They would lose votes.    

So you don't think this Democrat is right with his idea of a mileage tax?
Hachiroku ハチロク - 29 Apr 2009 19:44 GMT
>> That is where the
>> Democrats really have their intentions.  Getting people together and in
>> mass.....mass transit.
>
> The infrastructure isn't there, thanks the the Republicans, and building
> it will take far more than eight years!

Oh, you mean the Republicans, for not FORCING transit companies into
creating routes no one would use, and for not pouring MORE money into
Amtrak, that's been losing money since it's inception?

Throwing money at mass transit isn't going to solve anything, but as
typical, it's a Democrat's answer to everything. Carter expanded Amtrak,
and it was good money after bad. Republicans left it to people who know
what they're doing to decide whether to expand non-profitable routes, and
they didn't.

Stand by for more government mandates!
Hachiroku ハチロク - 29 Apr 2009 19:41 GMT
>> "Why do we need a pilot program? Why don't we just phase it in?" said
>> Oberstar, the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> rewards those that buy less fuel efficient vehicles, while a gasoline
> tax punishes them.

I've been driving 'fuel-efficient' vehicles since 1974. 1974 Corolla 1200,
38 MPG combined.

1978 Corolla 1200, 42 MPG combined

1980 Corolla 1.8, 33 MPG

1985 Corolla GTS, 36 MPG combined

1995 Tercel (AT) 44 MPG combined

2005 Scion tC, leveling out ~32 MPG combined.

1988 Supra...ah, let's skip the Supra, OK?

I've been saving gas since I got my license. Even my Chrysler LHS and my
two Chrysler (Plymouth) Grand Voyagers go ~28 MPG combined.

I'll take my reward for all those years of saving fuel, thanks.

My job requires 30-65 miles of travel per day, and I am not reimbursed.
Get people who don't really need an SUV to give them up first before
taking it out of everyone's hide.
Hachiroku ハチロク - 29 Apr 2009 04:06 GMT
> :)
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Wow, I can't wait.....I don't drive much so it won't affect me.  I'm all
> for it.  Bring it on!!!  Maybe I'll even get some money back, :)

Don't hold your breath.

They'll probably start a Federal Excise tax...
 
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