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http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE54O14220090525?feedType=RSS&f eedName=politicsNews&rpc=22&sp=true Your prez has 'grave concern'.... Wow.... Now that should frighten NK....  SignatureScott in Florida Well at least Hillary has a good grasp on the gravity of the situation, as evidenced by the announcement of equal benefits for faggots in the state department. > http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE54O14220090525?fee... > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Scott in Florida > http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE54O14220090525?feedType=RSS&f eedName=politicsNews&rpc=22&sp=true > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Now that should frighten NK.... What do YOU think he should do about NK, you smelly old man? > > http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE54O14220090525?feedType=R > > SS&feedName=politicsNews&rpc=22&sp=true [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > What do YOU think he should do about NK, you smelly old man? I know what I'd do. I'd send you over there on the end of a sharp stick shoved up you a.s. They'd have a good time with you and it might buy us some time till we get a competent president back in the WH. Signature"What we've got here is failure to communicate" "The Captain" >> > http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE54O14220090525?feedType=R >> > SS&feedName=politicsNews&rpc=22&sp=true [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > shoved up you a.s. They'd have a good time with you and it might buy us > some time till we get a competent president back in the WH. And Joe No-Brain conveniently forgets that the problem is due to the Klintons pussyfooting around with North Korea in the 90's to start with. Charles Grozny >> > http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE54O14220090525?feedType=R >> > SS&feedName=politicsNews&rpc=22&sp=true [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > shoved up you a.s. They'd have a good time with you and it might buy us > some time till we get a competent president back in the WH. We're talking about North Korea. If you read anything of value instead of comics, you'd know that Obama is the 3rd president in a row to get absolutely nowhere with NK. But you have that pesky fake eye problem, so you don't read. Remember? I remember. > > What do YOU think he should do about NK, you smelly old man? > > I know what I'd do. I'd send you over there on the end of a sharp stick > shoved up you a.s. What is it with you right wingers and your obsession about rectums? >> > What do YOU think he should do about NK, you smelly old man? >> >> I know what I'd do. I'd send you over there on the end of a sharp stick >> shoved up you a.s. > > What is it with you right wingers and your obsession about rectums? Lefties surely do know all about a.sholes...first hand. >>> > What do YOU think he should do about NK, you smelly old man? >>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Lefties surely do know all about a.sholes...first hand. And it's the a.sholes on the Left that conveniently forget it was the Klintons pussyfooting around that let NK get into the Nuclear club in the first place. They still want to Blame Bush. Charles Grozny. >>>> > What do YOU think he should do about NK, you smelly old man? >>>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Charles Grozny. Someone tell Chester that his hatred of libraries & history are making him look like even more of a fool than usual. > Someone tell Chester that his hatred of libraries & history are making him > look like even more of a fool than usual. Not that Charles is ever interested in the facts, but a time line of the North Korea mess can be found here: "http://www.mahablog.com/oldsite/id34.html" In fact it _is_ Bush II that bears nearly all the blame for the current situation. >> Someone tell Chester that his hatred of libraries & history are making >> him look like even more of a fool than usual. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > In fact it _is_ Bush II that bears nearly all the blame for the current > situation. Chester's mysterious situation requires that he blame Clinton for all sorts of things, including the price of cereal and Breyers' choice to shrink the size of their ice cream containers. But something else is going on with Chester. He moved around a lot for some reason. If his parents were in the military, that would explain all the moves. But I wonder if his dad was an itinerant preacher. We all know what goes on with THOSE guys, don't we? http://www.classmates.com/profile/user/task/view/photoscroller?albumId=3014453&r egistrationId=937988#profileMain "After attending 4 elementary schools, 1 junior high, 2 high schools and 3 colleges, I'm currently living in the Chicago area, in the IT dept of a private company. Still single." Then there's the drag queen routine, which apparently began early in his life: http://images.classmates.com/imgsvc/i/d/004c1af6ea623f61a3c8afbdc32cbb49/3762342.jpg Now he just tries to keep the twink image going for a few more years before he can't milk it any more: http://images.classmates.com/imgsvc/i/d/01b64c2e4d0474866ce722c9ed221598/3762383.jpg > Chester's mysterious situation requires that he blame Clinton for all sorts > of things, including the price of cereal and Breyers' choice to shrink the > size of their ice cream containers. The latter pissed me off. Breyer's shrunk the size of their ice cream _twice_ during the George W. Bush administration, _plus_ they started adding tara gum to their ice cream. I'm not sure how well the shrinking of the package worked for them. In my area, Breyer's used to cost around $4 on sale for 1/2 gallon, around $3.50 on sale for 1.75 quarts, and now it's $3 on sale for 1.5 quarts. So the volume of a carton has dropped 25%, but the price of a carton has dropped by 33%, despite inflation. Even the non-sale price has fallen considerably. Used to be $6-7 a carton not on sale, now it seems to be $5-6, with Target usually having it for under $4 all the time. >> Chester's mysterious situation requires that he blame Clinton for all sorts >> of things, including the price of cereal and Breyers' choice to shrink the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >considerably. Used to be $6-7 a carton not on sale, now it seems to be >$5-6, with Target usually having it for under $4 all the time. I'd never buy it in Target. This person will never walk into a Target until they let the Salvation Army put their kettles back at Christmas time. SignatureScott in Florida >>> Chester's mysterious situation requires that he blame Clinton for all >>> sorts [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > until they let the Salvation Army put their kettles back at Christmas > time. And of course both the Rochester Retard and they Bicycle Coffee Man are full of it, as usual. http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/10/9/132140.shtml I AM RIGHT, they are WRONG. Charles Grozny >>> Chester's mysterious situation requires that he blame Clinton for all >>> sorts [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > until they let the Salvation Army put their kettles back at Christmas > time. You should get your facts straight, but first, you'll need to figure how to attach wings to pigs without hurting them. http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/charity/sallyann.asp > http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/charity/sallyann.asp Not sure what you're saying here. While Target has made donations in lieu of allowing solicitation, the fact is that they do not allow any soliciting in front of their stores, no matter what the cause or what the organization. Personally, I appreciate Target's position. I get so sick of going into stores where there is a fake charity cheating naive customers out of money. Wal-Mart allows the Salvation Army, but they also allow all sorts of fake charities to operate in front of their stores. It's sad that a good organization like the Salvation Army is hurt by all the fake charities. >> http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/charity/sallyann.asp > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > good organization like the Salvation Army is hurt by all the fake > charities. The Salvation Army apparently has sacred status when viewed through The Sot's special Normal Rockwell eyeglasses. Target has acknowledged the value of the organization by contributing their own way. I agree with you. I don't want to be bothered by beggars outside stores. When the girl scouts start selling something worthwhile, I'll make an exception. Boy scouts are another story altogether and they will never get my money under any circumstances. > I'll make an exception. Boy scouts are another > story altogether and they will never get my money under any circumstances. Hey, my daughter just got her membership card last night as a member of her BSA Venture Crew! I liken BSA to the Catholic Church. It has a lot of members that pay little or no attention to the proclamations of the rulers. Once you realize that the actual packs, troops and crews view the BSA management as many Catholics view the Vatican, it's palatable. When you ignore the official discrimination policies, as is commonly done by troops and crews, and focus on the good aspects of scouting, it's a worthwhile experience for many kids, and the infrastructure of camps and other facilities would be very hard to duplicate. It's rather amusing to talk to the leaders of the troops and crews because so few of them believe in the policies coming out of the national headquarters, and aren't afraid to say so. Especially as it relates to the religion requirement and the discrimination based on sexual orientation. What one leader told me is that the LDS has a stranglehold on the management of BSA because they make up such a large percentage of the scouting troops, so you're not going to change the organization from within. It would be great if BSA in the U.S. were to change to the model of scouting in other countries, mixed gender and no discrimination, but I don't see that happening in my lifetime. The fact that they now do have mixed gender Venture crews is one step forward. I wouldn't be sending the BSA national headquarters any money, but the local organizations, at least in my area, is another story. >> I'll make an exception. Boy scouts are another story altogether and they >> will never get my money under any circumstances. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > I wouldn't be sending the BSA national headquarters any money, but the > local organizations, at least in my area, is another story. My son tolerated one BSA violation, but when their list of mistakes reached about a dozen, he ditched. The most serious: - No religion merit badges for Unitarians. - Troop leader berating kids who wouldn't pray with the rest of the troop before they were about to leave on an ill-fated road trip. The stupidest: - Knot tying lessons prohibited because boys might do hazardous things with rope (even with 15 fathers supervising the activity). So much for that merit badge. - Make the youngest kids stand around while some old fart mumbled gun safety lessons for an hour in 90 degree heat. Gun safety: Good idea. Just one problem: The youngest kids were two years from being allowed to use said guns. > My son tolerated one BSA violation, but when their list of mistakes reached > about a dozen, he ditched. > > The most serious: > - No religion merit badges for Unitarians. The Unitarian controversy arose because the Unitarians weren't content with the informal "don't ask, don't tell" policy in scouting, and went out of their way to distribute printed materials that criticized the official BSA policies of discrimination against atheists, agnostics, and gays. This would be like a Catholic Priest publicly telling his congregation to use birth control. I've never met a leader in scouting that didn't criticize those policies, but they don't go out and print up material and distribute it to the scouts. > - Troop leader berating kids who wouldn't pray with the rest of the troop > before they were about to leave on an ill-fated road trip. Time to find a new troop. > The stupidest: > - Knot tying lessons prohibited because boys might do hazardous things with > rope (even with 15 fathers supervising the activity). So much for that merit > badge. That's pretty bizarre. Again, time to find a new troop. > - Make the youngest kids stand around while some old fart mumbled gun safety > lessons for an hour in 90 degree heat. Gun safety: Good idea. Just one > problem: The youngest kids were two years from being allowed to use said > guns. Again, time to find a new troop. They are not all created equal. Some have terrible leadership. >> My son tolerated one BSA violation, but when their list of mistakes >> reached about a dozen, he ditched. [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > Again, time to find a new troop. They are not all created equal. Some have > terrible leadership. The gun thing was done by an employee of a large regional scout camp used by troops from all over the state. Our troop had no control over the guy's actions. I must admit to having had a bit of fun at the expense of the robots at another large regional camp. Upon arrival, the kids were told that they couldn't go wandering off ANYWHERE without a buddy. Not a bad idea. Later, the kids were gathering for some activity and one of them told his dad that parents weren't allowed to attend. (Not true, but so what?) All the other kids piped up with the same nonsense, so four of us dads agreed to stay behind at the tents. The kids just wanted to flex their muscles without dads around. Cool. The mob left, accompanied by some camp person. So, I'm on the cot in my tent reading a book when this severe but hot looking female official comes along, looks in the tent and says "Sir, camp rules are that nobody can be without a buddy at any time." I asked her how far away buddies were allowed to be, since there were several other adults with 50 feet, also chilling in their tents. She had no answer for that. I told her she was more than welcome to come into the tent and be my buddy. She left in a huff without saying a word. >I must admit to having had a bit of fun at the expense of the robots at >another large regional camp. Upon arrival, the kids were told that they [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >behind at the tents. The kids just wanted to flex their muscles without dads >around. Cool. The mob left, accompanied by some camp person. You are an arse hole in real life? Say it ain't so...... SignatureScott in Florida >>I must admit to having had a bit of fun at the expense of the robots at >>another large regional camp. Upon arrival, the kids were told that they [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Say it ain't so...... What would YOU have done with the female robot, you idiot? Invite another dad into your tent to satisfy the rules? > The gun thing was done by an employee of a large regional scout camp used by > troops from all over the state. Our troop had no control over the guy's > actions. Yes, some of the camp employees are sometimes quite full of themselves. As are some members of the "Order of the Arrow." Don't get me started! In Cub Scouts we went to one of the camps and someone decided "no BB guns" even though the Cub Scouts were normally allowed to use them. No reason was given. It wasn't like there was suddenly an anti-gun order that came down from headquarters. > So, I'm on the cot in my tent reading a book when this severe but hot > looking female official comes along, looks in the tent and says "Sir, camp [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > told her she was more than welcome to come into the tent and be my buddy. > She left in a huff without saying a word. She wasn't used to ever getting any push back. Good for you! >> The gun thing was done by an employee of a large regional scout camp used >> by troops from all over the state. Our troop had no control over the [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > She wasn't used to ever getting any push back. Good for you! In a sense, she was right. I could've gotten a life-threatening paper cut from the book I was reading, and then what? No buddy around - I could've bled to death. >My son tolerated one BSA violation, but when their list of mistakes reached >about a dozen, he ditched. Is this the son that was arrested? I see the apple does not fall too damned far from a rotten tree.... SignatureScott in Florida >>My son tolerated one BSA violation, but when their list of mistakes >>reached [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I see the apple does not fall too damned far from a rotten tree.... My son was never arrested. You're off your meds again. >>>My son tolerated one BSA violation, but when their list of mistakes >>>reached [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >My son was never arrested. You're off your meds again. Your son WAS arrested..... You went to court..... SignatureScott in Florida >>>>My son tolerated one BSA violation, but when their list of mistakes >>>>reached [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > You went to court..... We went to court. He was not arrested. You are off your meds again. >>>>>My son tolerated one BSA violation, but when their list of mistakes >>>>>reached [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >We went to court. He was not arrested. You are off your meds again. Like I said...your wonderful human being son was arrested.... SignatureScott in Florida >>>>>>My son tolerated one BSA violation, but when their list of mistakes >>>>>>reached [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Like I said...your wonderful human being son was arrested.... You don't need to be arrested to appear in court. You are off your meds again. Do you think a speeding ticket equals an arrest? Scott in Florida wrote: > I'd never buy it in Target. This person will never walk into a Target > until they let the Salvation Army put their kettles back at Christmas > time. Everybody knows that the Salvation Army saved your life, and for the harm that caused society, they must pay the price. > >> > What do YOU think he should do about NK, you smelly old man? > >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Lefties surely do know all about a.sholes...first hand. I'm serious: what is it about you far right wingers and your obsession of telling people to shove things there and threatening to shove something of yours in there? Even your hero, Queen of All Media Rush Limbaugh, does this, and he avoided military service because he inflicted himself with a flashlight in your favorite spot. >>> What do YOU think he should do about NK, you smelly old man? >> >> I know what I'd do. I'd send you over there on the end of a sharp stick >> shoved up you a.s. > > What is it with you right wingers and your obsession about rectums? Conservatives need to be familiar with the left-wing opposition. And don't use the euphemism. We know you're a.sholes. > >>> What do YOU think he should do about NK, you smelly old man? > >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > We know you're a.sholes. Even you're displaying that characteristic behavior. I guess the far right really is out of answers. >>>>> What do YOU think he should do about NK, you smelly old man? >>>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Even you're displaying that characteristic behavior. I guess the far > right really is out of answers. And the left's true obsession here with rectums and homosexuality belie just who are the one-trick ponies. You've all become caricatures, unaware of the politically and economically disastrous, self-induced fall you'll be experiencing over the next few years. Your chosen Messiah is nothing of the sort, and will fail you miserably. I find it amusing that you, a Republican, er, Independent (both claimed by you), er, whatever you REALLY are, don't have a problem with your peers (love that word in this context) making gay jokes about conservatives, yet you strangely seem to think that we conservatives are the ones obsesssed with those who perversely copulate with the human body's sewage system. Interesting. Sick, but interesting. >>>>>> What do YOU think he should do about NK, you smelly old man? >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Interesting. Sick, but interesting. You conservatives seem to be the ones who bitch loudly and publicly about how sexual perversion will be the downfall of American society. And yet, it seems you're the ones most often caught red-handed doing the things you preach against. Remember some of these fellas? You'd probably like to forget. http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c197/ancientangler/RepublicanHypocrites.jpg?t= 1243430242 >>>>>> What do YOU think he should do about NK, you smelly old man? >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > >Interesting. Sick, but interesting. which could be a good definition of liberals 'interesting, sick, but interesting...' SignatureScott in Florida >> dbu' wrote: >>> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > I find it amusing that you, a Republican, er, Independent (both claimed > by you), I've never claimed to be an Independent (that's a political party), but I was an independent (no party) until early last year. I've never contradicted myself about this, and it's cheap of you to imply otherwise. > er, whatever you REALLY are, don't have a problem with your > peers (love that word in this context) making gay jokes about [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Interesting. Sick, but interesting. And you like it that way. Who, in this thread, first made the reference, specifically by wanting to push a pointy stick up there? It wasn't me. >>> dbu' wrote: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > contradicted myself about this, and it's cheap of you to imply > otherwise. Capitalization makes it a cheap shot? Right. We have some lovely parting gifts for you. >> er, whatever you REALLY are, don't have a problem with your >> peers (love that word in this context) making gay jokes about [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > And you like it that way. Ooh. NOW we're talking cheap shots. And infantile, to boot. > Who, in this thread, first made the reference, specifically by wanting > to push a pointy stick up there? It wasn't me. The cheap references to homosexual conduct by the allegedly enlightened and tolerant are legion, and here for all to see. Denial ain't makin' that go away. > >>> dbu' wrote: > >>>> [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > Capitalization makes it a cheap shot? Right. We have some lovely > parting gifts for you. No, what makes it a cheap shot is your implication that I've been inconsistent regarding my political affiliations. I have not been. > >> er, whatever you REALLY are, don't have a problem with your > >> peers (love that word in this context) making gay jokes about [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Ooh. NOW we're talking cheap shots. And infantile, to boot. I'm just kidding, but earlier you weren't, and that's the important difference. > > Who, in this thread, first made the reference, specifically by wanting > > to push a pointy stick up there? It wasn't me. > > The cheap references to homosexual conduct by the allegedly enlightened > and tolerant are legion, and here for all to see. As are the homosexual references by people who like to boast of their superiority by referring to raping their same-sex opponents. Homosexual conduct by the allegedly enlightened and tolerant??? Well, that's what you said. > Denial ain't makin' that go away. Thanks, "Doctor" Phil. >>> I've never claimed to be an Independent (that's a political party), >>> but I was an independent (no party) until early last year. I've never [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > No, what makes it a cheap shot is your implication that I've been > inconsistent regarding my political affiliations. I have not been. Sure, Larry. You're the conservative you claim to be. And CNN is right-wing news. If it walks like a duck... >>>> er, whatever you REALLY are, don't have a problem with your >>>> peers (love that word in this context) making gay jokes about [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I'm just kidding, but earlier you weren't, and that's the important > difference. I don't find calling a spade a spade being a cheap shot. I cannot recall anything you've posted here that indicates you're a conservative >>> Who, in this thread, first made the reference, specifically by wanting >>> to push a pointy stick up there? It wasn't me. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > As are the homosexual references by people who like to boast of their > superiority by referring to raping their same-sex opponents. A "f.cking the skulls" of decapitated children. That kind of sickness sickens anyone. > Homosexual conduct by the allegedly enlightened and tolerant??? Well, > that's what you said. > >> Denial ain't makin' that go away. > > Thanks, "Doctor" Phil. It doesn't take a degree in psychology or psychiatry to tell that one, Larry. In Re: LMC, aka Whiney Joe Besser. If it's brown and stinks and gets all squishy between your toes when you step in it, it's probably sh!t, no matter what you call it. Charles Grozny > In Re: LMC, aka Whiney Joe Besser. > > If it's brown and stinks and gets all squishy between your toes when you > step in it, it's probably sh!t, no matter what you call it. I call it "Charles". >> I've never claimed to be an Independent (that's a political party), >> but I was an independent (no party) until early last year. I've never [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Sure, Larry. You're the conservative you claim to be. I've never claimed to be a conservative, although I have expressed support for some conservative positions. Conscience unconscious? > And CNN is right-wing news. So did Glenn Beck have a show on that network because it was leftist? > If it walks like a duck... ...it probably swims better than you and is cuter. > er, whatever you REALLY are, don't have a problem with your > peers (love that word in this context) making gay jokes about [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > I don't find calling a spade a spade being a cheap shot. I cannot > recall anything you've posted here that indicates you're a conservative Maybe it's your faulty reading comprehension, which led you to think I was a Republican before I became an independent. Search more thoroughly, especially for what I've written about Reagan (mostly positive), the UN (we should use it to as a cover to spread our way of life), nuclear weapons (the best defense is a good offense), and Abu Graib (too bad we got caught). >> Who, in this thread, first made the reference, specifically by wanting >> to push a pointy stick up there? It wasn't me. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Homosexual conduct by the allegedly enlightened and tolerant??? Well, > > that's what you said. Homosexual conduct by the intolerant and hypocritical. > Denial ain't makin' that go away. > > > Thanks, "Doctor" Phil. > > It doesn't take a degree in psychology or psychiatry to tell that one, Larry. Which is probably why so many lamos tell it. > Search more thoroughly....... Or, to paraphrase a gem from Conscious, "if you can't use google, you need help". >> If it walks like a duck... > > ...it probably swims better than you and is cuter. I couldn't have asked for a better example of just why your skull is analagous to a brick wall. No need to comment, but I'm sure you will. And I don't care. Your NPD is a bitch of a cross to carry. So carry on. >I've never claimed to be an Independent (that's a political party), >but I was an independent (no party) until early last year. I've never >contradicted myself about this, and it's cheap of you to imply >otherwise. You make a lot of stupid statements, but this one is right up there at the top.... SignatureScott in Florida Scott in Florida wrote: > > I've never claimed to be an Independent (that's a political party), > > but I was an independent (no party) until early last year. I've never [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > You make a lot of stupid statements, but this one is right up there at > the top.... I'll believe you once you prove that you've collected on the $500K bet. >Scott in Florida wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >I'll believe you once you prove that you've collected on the $500K >bet. I have.... SignatureScott in Florida Scott in Florida wrote: > > I'll believe you once you prove that you've collected on the $500K bet. > > I have.... Then how was it delivered -- cash, cheque, gold? And what was the first thing you did with it? >> http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE54O14220090525?feedType=RSS&f eedName=politicsNews&rpc=22&sp=true >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > What do YOU think he should do about NK, you smelly old man? I'd be interested in knowing what YOU think should be done, and I'm not even going to hurl any insults to find out. >>> http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE54O14220090525?feedType=RSS&f eedName=politicsNews&rpc=22&sp=true >>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I'd be interested in knowing what YOU think should be done, and I'm not > even going to hurl any insults to find out. Frankly, I have no idea. But I'm not the one criticizing the president. When the Sot does that, it is assumed that he has a workable alternative, or at least a vague idea. But he'll never answer the question because he CAN'T answer it, and neither can Chester, because he has no original ideas. He just rides on other people's coat tails. The problem is that no matter what we do, the solution sucks. Like Bush, Obama will probably be limited to "expressing disappointment". Even John Bolton was dismayed at the limited number of options available for dealing with NK. http://www.aei.org/article/27961 >>>> http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE54O14220090525?feedType=RSS&f eedName=politicsNews&rpc=22&sp=true >>>> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > http://www.aei.org/article/27961 Okay, I'll buy that. But, it leads to another question. If Obama has limited options (and I have no disagreement there), and Bush had the same set of limited options, how come Bush is an idiot as it relates to NK, while Obama is apparently some manner of genius? (I understand that might not be YOUR take on the situation, but it appears to be the take of the media.) I happen to think (through my own deductive reasoning skills) that NK is not particularly interested in nukes for the sake of having nukes. I think they want nukes because they can get money for not having them, or if they get them, they can sell them and get money. For NK, it's all about the money. They promise to not explore nuke technology and we give them a pile of money. The money runs low and they start with the technology again, and stop when they get more money. Eventually, they will have a product that they can sell. >>>>> http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE54O14220090525?feedType=RSS&f eedName=politicsNews&rpc=22&sp=true >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > understand that might not be YOUR take on the situation, but it appears to > be the take of the media.) Maybe because Bush had 8 years to deal with it, and Obama has had 5 months. Or, maybe it's because of tidbits like this, which add to the general and permanent stink surrounding Bush's policies: =========== "Donald Rumsfeld, the US defence secretary, sat on the board of a company which three years ago sold two light water nuclear reactors to North Korea - a country he now regards as part of the "axis of evil" and which has been targeted for regime change by Washington because of its efforts to build nuclear weapons. Mr Rumsfeld was a non-executive director of ABB, a European engineering giant based in Zurich, when it won a $200m (£125m) contract to provide the design and key components for the reactors. The current defence secretary sat on the board from 1990 to 2001, earning $190,000 a year. He left to join the Bush administration. The reactor deal was part of President Bill Clinton's policy of persuading the North Korean regime to positively engage with the west. The sale of the nuclear technology was a high-profile contract. ABB's then chief executive, Goran Lindahl, visited North Korea in November 1999 to announce ABB's "wide-ranging, long-term cooperation agreement" with the communist government." More: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/may/09/nuclear.northkorea =========== > I happen to think (through my own deductive reasoning skills) that NK is > not particularly interested in nukes for the sake of having nukes. I think [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > stop when they get more money. Eventually, they will have a product that > they can sell. Pay close attention to what Bolton said about the connection between Iran, NK and Syria. Then, read a book called "The Nuclear Jihadist", which I've mentioned many times in this newsgroup. >> Okay, I'll buy that. But, it leads to another question. >> [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > =========== So now you blame Rumsfeld for implementing a Clinton era policy? Great. >> I happen to think (through my own deductive reasoning skills) that NK is >> not particularly interested in nukes for the sake of having nukes. I [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > NK and Syria. Then, read a book called "The Nuclear Jihadist", which I've > mentioned many times in this newsgroup. That does not change the fact that NK is into nukes for the money. They are selling what they learn, and are being paid to not learn it. They have an oppressive military budget that weighs heavily on the economy, and they can finance the military through negotiations with both sides of the nuke issue. Iran and Syria are problems relative to the nuke discussions, and relative to other issues as well, but NK is using nuke technology to make money. The make money to grow the technology, and they make money to not grow it. It appears they lie to the side that pays them to not grow it ... >>> Okay, I'll buy that. But, it leads to another question. >>> [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > So now you blame Rumsfeld for implementing a Clinton era policy? Great. Not exactly. Think harder. Why would Bush do pretty much nothing about NK? There's a good reason and a bad reason. All presidents will adopt the good reason, but Bush may have had a bad reason involving Rumsfeld. >>> I happen to think (through my own deductive reasoning skills) that NK is >>> not particularly interested in nukes for the sake of having nukes. I [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > money. The make money to grow the technology, and they make money to not > grow it. It appears they lie to the side that pays them to not grow it ... Money, maybe, but also, both countries (NK & Iran) have leaders with personal inadequacy issues of some sort. Both know that if they ever actually attacked with nukes, they'd be bombed into the Baghdad age. Therefore, they have no real need for nuclear weapons. All they need is electricity and the sanity to take care of their own people. But because both leaders are seriously messed up, they can't see the forest for the trees. They could be heroes without the nuclear game. >> http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE54O14220090525?feedType=RSS&f eedName=politicsNews&rpc=22&sp=true >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > What do YOU think he should do about NK, you smelly old man? We should immediately bring treason charges against George W. Bush and Dick Cheney. Bush is the one that drove these countries to develop nuclear weapons after they saw what he did in invading a sovereign nation that had not threatened the U.S. in any way. Iraq, Iran, and North Korea were labeled and "axis of evil" and Iran and North Korea saw what happened to Iraq, and began taking steps to ensure that they did not suffer the same fate. Bush and Cheney played right into their hands. Can Obama salvage the mess the Republicans made of things? I don't know. One suggestion is that the U.S. talk to Japan about the threat that North Korea poses, and offer to protect Japan with appropriate weapons. This would cause Chine to put pressure on North Korea to stop this nonsense. > >> http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE54O14220090525?feedType= > >> RSS&feedName=politicsNews&rpc=22&sp=true [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > North Korea poses, and offer to protect Japan with appropriate weapons. > This would cause Chine to put pressure on North Korea to stop this nonsense. NK is not a threat. Neither is Iran. Why are you so worried? NK or Iran won't do anything to us. Not a problem. They have a right to develop their own nuclear bombs and defend themselves. Go back to sleep you idiot. Signature"What we've got here is failure to communicate" "The Captain" > http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE54O14220090525?feedType=RSS&f eedName=politicsNews&rpc=22&sp=true > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Now that should frighten NK.... If it wasn't for the Klintoons, NK wouldn't be where it is now. And now we've got ChickenShitNobama as 'president'. Charles Grozny >> http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE54O14220090525?feedType=RSS&f eedName=politicsNews&rpc=22&sp=true >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Charles Grozny Bullshit. > http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE54O14220090525?feedType=RSS > &feedName=politicsNews&rpc=22&sp=true [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Now that should frighten NK.... Burrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, I'm shaking Buurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Now watch out NK, obama means business,,,,LOL The U.S. has become a paper tiger. So world, every country for yourself. Abandon ship. I wonder what our great president will do when NK takes out one of our carrier battle groups with a nuclear warhead. He'll maybe say.....we have to listen and negotiate better, LOL.... Signature"What we've got here is failure to communicate" "The Captain" >> http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE54O14220090525?feedType=RSS >> &feedName=politicsNews&rpc=22&sp=true [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > The U.S. has become a paper tiger. So world, every country for > yourself. Abandon ship. http://www.aei.org/article/27961 On Mon, 25 May 2009 13:31:39 -0400, Scott in Florida wrote: > http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE54O14220090525?feedType=RSS&f eedName=politicsNews&rpc=22&sp=true > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Now that should frighten NK.... And they responded to his "Grave concern" by launching 2 more today... > On Mon, 25 May 2009 13:31:39 -0400, Scott in Florida wrote: > >> http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE54O14220090525?feedType=RSS&f eedName=politicsNews&rpc=22&sp=true Your >> prez has 'grave concern'.... >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > And they responded to his "Grave concern" by launching 2 more today... Ah, yes. Those "graves" always come in threes. > On Mon, 25 May 2009 13:31:39 -0400, Scott in Florida wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > And they responded to his "Grave concern" by launching 2 more today... For once I agree with you. Obama is not responding strongly enough. He should man up and adopt GWB's tactics for dealing with North Korea. http://origin.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,425862,00.html VIENNA, Austria - President Bush, in a call with Chinese President Hu Jintao, expressed his concern over North Korea's plans to re-open the Yongbyon nuclear reactor, the White House said Monday. "The two presidents agreed that they would work hard to convince North Korea to continue down the path established in the Six Party Talks toward denuclearization," White House national security council spokesman Gordon Johndroe said. >> On Mon, 25 May 2009 13:31:39 -0400, Scott in Florida wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > For once I agree with you. Oh. My. God. > Obama is not responding strongly enough. He > should man up and adopt GWB's tactics for dealing with North Korea. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > denuclearization," White House national security council spokesman Gordon > Johndroe said. |
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