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{OT} U.S. Sales Tax Gets Fresh Look

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dbu' - 27 May 2009 17:34 GMT
Get ready.  The lefties are going to take care of us real good.  

<http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/26/AR200905
2602909_pf.html>

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"There is a growing awareness of the need for fundamental tax reform,"
Sen. Kent Conrad (D-N.D.) said in an interview. "I think a VAT and a
high-end income tax have got to be on the table."

"A VAT is a tax on the transfer of goods and services that ultimately is
borne by the consumer. Highly visible, it would increase the cost of
just about everything, from a carton of eggs to a visit with a lawyer.
It is also hugely regressive, falling heavily on the poor. But VAT
advocates say those negatives could be offset by using the proceeds to
pay for health care for every American -- a tangible benefit that would
be highly valuable to low-income families.
Liberals dispute that notion. "You could pay for it regressively and
have people at the bottom come out better off -- maybe. Or you could pay
for it progressively and they'd come out a lot better off," said Bob
McIntyre, director of the nonprofit Citizens for Tax Justice, which has
a health financing plan that targets corporations and the rich.
A White House official said a VAT is "unlikely to be in the mix" as a
means to pay for health-care reform. "While we do not want to rule any
credible idea in or out as we discuss the way forward with Congress, the
VAT tax, in particular, is popular with academics but highly
controversial with policymakers," said Kenneth Baer, a spokesman for
White House Budget Director Peter Orszag.
Still, Orszag has hired a prominent VAT advocate to advise him on health
care: Ezekiel Emanuel, brother of White House chief of staff Rahm
Emanuel and author of the 2008 book "Health Care, Guaranteed."
Meanwhile, former Federal Reserve chairman Paul A. Volcker, chairman of
a task force Obama assigned to study the tax system, has expressed at
least tentative support for a VAT.
"Everybody who understands our long-term budget problems understands
we're going to need a new source of revenue, and a VAT is an obvious
candidate," said Leonard Burman, co-director of the Tax Policy Center, a
joint project of the Urban Institute and the Brookings Institution, who
testified on Capitol Hill this month about his own VAT plan. "It's
common to the rest of the world, and we don't have it."
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"What we've got here is failure to communicate"

"The Captain"

ron - 27 May 2009 22:07 GMT
but but but

He told us only the rich would be paying more taxes - he promised.  You mean
he lied about this?  Someone that would lie about things like this is just .
. . .just insipid - he might even lie about having a birth certificate for
Pete's sake!!

I am gravely concerned, deeply disappointed, beset with angst.  (must be
some more).

So it appears that someone will have to pay for these things after all?

Ron in Idaho
dbu' - 27 May 2009 23:15 GMT
> but but but
>
> He told us only the rich would be paying more taxes - he promised.  You mean
> he lied about this?  

Yes of course he lied, that is how he got elected, on lies.  

>Someone that would lie about things like this is just .
> . . .just insipid - he might even lie about having a birth certificate for
> Pete's sake!!

This is also a possible lie.  However, there is no body, still warm who
will come forward, at least not yet.    

> I am gravely concerned, deeply disappointed, beset with angst.  (must be
> some more).

You are not alone.  We had great hopes for obama too.  He had the change
mantra and we stupidly believed it.  What a mistake.

> So it appears that someone will have to pay for these things after all?

I am afraid, yes.  Which includes you and I, even though we are
considered "poor white trash" by obama and his followers.  We "poor
white trash"  will have to carry the load once again.  

> Ron in Idaho
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"The Captain"

Hachiroku ハチロク - 28 May 2009 01:01 GMT
>> I am gravely concerned, deeply disappointed, beset with angst.  (must be
>> some more).
>
> You are not alone.  We had great hopes for obama too.  He had the change
> mantra and we stupidly believed it.

What mean "we", Kemosabe?
dbu' - 28 May 2009 02:26 GMT
> >> I am gravely concerned, deeply disappointed, beset with angst.  (must be
> >> some more).
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>
> What mean "we", Kemosabe?

Well.....You know what I mean.
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"What we've got here is failure to communicate"

"The Captain"

Hachiroku ハチロク - 28 May 2009 03:06 GMT
>> >> I am gravely concerned, deeply disappointed, beset with angst.  (must be
>> >> some more).
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>
> Well.....You know what I mean.

They're talking 10%. If they put a 10% sales tax on everything, that means
in Mass it will be a 16.5% tax, and I think NY will be almost 20%.

Who elected these morons? Really, "Let's put a sales tax on in the middle
of a recession!"

WTF are they trying to do?
Scott  in  Florida - 28 May 2009 05:52 GMT
On Wed, 27 May 2009 22:06:23 -0400, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno@e86.GTS>
wrote:

>>> >> I am gravely concerned, deeply disappointed, beset with angst.  (must be
>>> >> some more).
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
>WTF are they trying to do?

Bambi is trying to ruin America.

He is doing a damned good job.

Bend over....

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Scott in Florida

larry moe 'n curly - 28 May 2009 07:34 GMT
Scott in Florida wrote:

> Bambi is trying to ruin America.
>
> He is doing a damned good job.

You're trying to ruin America, along with your spiritual bothers in al
Qaeda.

> Bend over....

I think you need to switch back to your other browser window.
Conscience - 28 May 2009 08:52 GMT
> Scott in Florida wrote:
>>
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>
> I think you need to switch back to your other browser window.

No cheap shot there.  Nope.
larry moe 'n curly - 28 May 2009 15:32 GMT
> > Scott in Florida wrote:
> >>
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>
> No cheap shot there.  Nope.

Indeed not.  And you still like it.
Conscience - 28 May 2009 15:46 GMT
>>> Scott in Florida wrote:
>>>>
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>
> Indeed not.  And you still like it.

Here's a hint:  You're taken more seriously if you're sincere and not
lowering yourself to the level I mentioned in another post.

Try it.
bogusmailmark@yahoo.com - 28 May 2009 16:04 GMT
Not sure if he can help it - their fixations always seem to come out
one way or the other.

> Here's a hint:  You're taken more seriously if you're sincere and not
> lowering yourself to the level I mentioned in another post.
>
> Try it.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
larry moe 'n curly - 28 May 2009 16:19 GMT
>> Scott in Florida wrote:
>>
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>
> Try it.

And be more like you?
larry moe 'n curly - 28 May 2009 05:09 GMT
> Get ready.  The lefties are going to take care of us real good.
>
> <http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/26/AR200905
> 2602909_pf.html>

Traditionally the right prefers sales taxes over income taxes, citing
taxation of income as discouraging saving and investment, while the
left prefers it because it can be made progressive.

Your response here is simply kneejerk.
dbu' - 28 May 2009 11:16 GMT
In article
<c96b4790-df9a-4de4-947e-9ce060684726@k19g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,

> > Get ready.  The lefties are going to take care of us real good.
> >
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>
> Your response here is simply kneejerk.

Ha, the lefties democrats or those of your ilk, LOVE taxes, they love
the smell of YOUR money so they can spend it on vote getting projects
like immigration reform and how to bring in more illegal and legal
immigrants from Mexico.  Health care for them too.  It all costs money,
your money too larrymoe.  Work hard, make lots of money so you can pay
for all those illegal immigrants that are coming to live off of you.
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"The Captain"

larry moe 'n curly - 28 May 2009 15:35 GMT
> In article
> <c96b4790-df9a-4de4-947e-9ce060684726@k19g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
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> your money too larrymoe.  Work hard, make lots of money so you can pay
> for all those illegal immigrants that are coming to live off of you.

Actually that sounds like the vast majority of politicians in office.
Also it's been quite some time that the Phoenix Chamber of Commerce
hasn't supported every sales tax increase proposition.
SMS - 28 May 2009 14:23 GMT
>> Get ready.  The lefties are going to take care of us real good.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Your response here is simply kneejerk.

That's a big problem in the states as well. the right wing (I hesitate
to call them conservatives) always push the most regressive taxes like
sales taxes, while Democrats push the most progressive taxes.

Politically, sales taxes are an easier sell than income taxes or
property taxes.

That may be changing though, as the Republican party changes from the
party of the wealthy, who were generally well educated, to the party of
the dim-witted neo-cons, who often are neither wealthy nor well-educated.
 
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