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Car Forum / Toyota / Toyota Cars / May 2009{OT} Is THIS the kind of health care you want????
Arthur Morris (famed bird photographer) posted this experience with the Canadian Health Care system... Exciting Day in Leamington, Ontario May 10th, 2009 Late on Friday afternoon I got on the ground to photograph some Canada Goose goslings asleep on a dock. As I raised up I felt a sharp spasm in my lower back on the left side. This has happened before so I did not think much of it. It did not hurt me at all when I got up or any more that evening. At 2:30 am on Saturday I awoke with a somewhat vicious pain in my lower back, left side. I assumed that it was a muscle spasm, similar to those that I used to have nearly two decades ago. My back has been great ever since I had major spinal surgery in 1991; thank you Dr. Francis Gamache Jr. I tried some moist heat and stretching but it did not help at all. I could not get comfortable in any position. Within an hour I began to experience a bloating pain in my lower left abdomen. I tried calling my health advisor in San Diego at 2:30am his time but his cell was off. I called my chiropractor in Lake Wales, waking him at 5am. He explained that a bad muscle spasm could affect surrounding organs and that made sense to me, but within the hour, I knew that something was not right with my body so I drove myself to the emergency room at the local hospital and forked over $500 Canadian for my visit. Twelve hours and five minutes later I was released after finally learning that my pain had been caused by a kidney stone traveling from my kidney to my bladder. I passed the stone without any pain last night without even knowing it. I am pretty much of a pain wuss but I will admit that this episode was quite painful. From speaking to other folks it seems that my pain, however, was on the mild side. My medical care was good but very slow. I sat in pain for five hours before I saw a doctor despite complaining of increasing pain, and it was another hour until they got the IV going. The non-narcotic pain meds hit the spot. An X-ray that showed nothing and a CAT scan that showed the small stone in the bladder took hours and hours and hours. During my stay I did get to speak extensively with Dr. Cliff Oliver in San Diego and he instantly diagnosed my problem as a kidney stone and provided comfort and advice throughout the episode. I took today (Sunday) off resting and doing more than 100 posts on BirdPhotographers.Net. I am feeling great and ready to get back in action at Pelee tomorrow. I hope that there are some birds .  SignatureScott in Florida > Arthur Morris (famed bird photographer) posted this experience with > the Canadian Health Care system... I don't care what kind of health care system we end up with, as long as it keeps you institutionalized and it costs me nothing. > Arthur Morris (famed bird photographer) posted this experience with > the Canadian Health Care system... [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > Scott in Florida Compare Canadian Healthcare to the healthcare uninsured US citizens get. You are still a typical rightwingnut - I got mine, f**k everybody else. In article <087a6ad5-0589-443b-aa77-b0f176c670e3@o20g2000vbh.googlegroups.com>, > > Arthur Morris (famed bird photographer) posted this experience with > > the Canadian Health Care system... [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > get. You are still a typical rightwingnut - I got mine, f**k > everybody else. So tell us about your uninsured healthcare experience. Signature"What we've got here is failure to communicate" "The Captain" > In article > <087a6ad5-0589-443b-aa77-b0f176c67...@o20g2000vbh.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > > - Show quoted text - To keep on point, slow medical benefits are better than no medical benefits. My situation about 12 months away but I'm hoping I can find a solution before then. But I have had several relatives who had to endure long periods without medical benefits. Parents on both sides pay exorbitant monthly fees for supplemental medical benefits. Let's at least get the same presciption drug discounts that Canada, Central and South America, UK, European counties get. I believe that the $500 would be credited back to him. He said the medical care he got was GOOD but VERY SLOW. What Toyota do you drive? I bet its good but is it fast with neck snapping acceleration. The medical care he got is just like what you drive right now. But your not really complaining. Many Americans without insurance might not go to a doctor at all and endure more than 5 hours of pain. Let's say a regular joe goes to the emergency room, plus non-narcotic pain reliever, MRI, x-ray, the whole she bang and iIt will cost him more than $500. He might not be able to pay for his rent/mortgage, food, broadband connection or his Toyota because he paid for his medical care . Now he ends up getting more problem than he did=) > Arthur Morris (famed bird photographer) posted this experience with > the Canadian Health Care system... [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > Scott in Florida Your analogy sucks... not even close to the same thing. Where in the Constitution does it say that I have to pay for your health care? Life's not fair... get used to it > I believe that the $500 would be credited back to him. He said the > medical care he got was GOOD but VERY SLOW. What Toyota do you drive? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > food, broadband connection or his Toyota because he paid for his > medical care . Now he ends up getting more problem than he did=) You're going to pay for it either way. Would you rather it be in a controlled fashion, or a cluster phuque the way it is now? Your analogy sucks... not even close to the same thing. Where in the Constitution does it say that I have to pay for your health care? Life's not fair... get used to it On May 29, 12:36 pm, Ed <systme...@hotmail.com> wrote: > I believe that the $500 would be credited back to him. He said the > medical care he got was GOOD but VERY SLOW. What Toyota do you drive? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > food, broadband connection or his Toyota because he paid for his > medical care . Now he ends up getting more problem than he did=) It's not fair I know, that's why he had a good medical care but had to wait a long time. getting used to something is a very old fashioned way of doing things. Sooner or later things evolve into something better. Too bad I can't say that same thing about your brain. On May 29, 1:05 pm, bogusmailm...@yahoo.com wrote: > Your analogy sucks... not even close to the same thing. > > Where in the Constitution does it say that I have to pay for your > health care? > > Life's not fair... get used to it > It's not fair I know, that's why he had a good medical care but had to > wait a long time. > getting used to something is a very old fashioned way of doing things. > Sooner or later things evolve into something better. Too bad I can't > say that same thing about your brain. We've been waiting a long time but nothing seems to have any positive affect on his brain. On May 29, 1:05 pm, bogusmailm...@yahoo.com wrote: > Your analogy sucks... not even close to the same thing. > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Where in the Constitution are any rights denied???? Again, Sparky, the US Constitution is a document that defines and limits the powers of our government, NOT the citizens. That is its sole purpose. It is the Bill of Rights that defines our rights and those rights are unlimited. Amendment X: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are RESERVED to the States respectively, or TO THE PEOPLE (my emphasis). You just won't get another trick pony. Scott in Florida wrote: > Arthur Morris (famed bird photographer) posted this experience with > the Canadian Health Care system... Maybe it would be better if Canada and the US adopted universal Medicare and Tricare. My parents are covered by them, and not only is it great, but it's cost overhead is lower than any other American system's. >Scott in Florida wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >it great, but it's cost overhead is lower than any other American >system's. Medicare's cost overhead is LOWER than what? ROFLMAO SignatureScott in Florida >>Scott in Florida wrote: >>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > ROFLMAO As usual, Whiney Joe Besser is talking like a man with a cardboard a.shole. Charles Grozny > As usual, Whiney Joe Besser is talking like a man with a cardboard a.shole. Just how did you learn about cardboard a.sholes? >> As usual, Whiney Joe Besser is talking like a man with a cardboard >> a.shole. > > Just how did you learn about cardboard a.sholes? He couldn't afford the inflatable girl like the one his dad loved so much, so he made his own out of cereal boxes. His favorite box was the one with Tony the Tiger on it. Grrrrrrrrr.....!!! >> As usual, Whiney Joe Besser is talking like a man with a cardboard a.shole. > >Just how did you learn about cardboard a.sholes? You arrived on the scene..... SignatureScott in Florida >>> As usual, Whiney Joe Besser is talking like a man with a cardboard >>> a.shole. >> >>Just how did you learn about cardboard a.sholes? > > You arrived on the scene..... My dad used the expression A LOT. Apparently he had to deal with a lot of Whiney Joe Bessers types over the years. Charles Grozny >>>> As usual, Whiney Joe Besser is talking like a man with a cardboard >>>> a.shole. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Charles Grozny Your dad was an itinerant preacher who fondled underage boys and girls in every town where he worked. That's why you went to so many different schools. >>>Scott in Florida wrote: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Charles Grozny Which begs the question....does an arse hole have an arse hole? SignatureScott in Florida Scott in Florida wrote: > Arthur Morris (famed bird photographer) posted this experience with > the Canadian Health Care system... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > ROFLMAO As usual, Scott ignores the facts. List some private American health insurance companies that have lower overhead than Medicare or Tricare. You can't. And when parts of Medicare have been privatized, due to the wish of Congress, costs have always gone up. >Scott in Florida wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >Medicare have been privatized, due to the wish of Congress, costs have >always gone up. http://www.cahi.org/cahi_contents/resources/pdf/CAHI_Medicare_Admin_Final_Public ation.pdf EVERY COMPANY...... Conclusion. Medicare at first glance appears to have lower administrative costs than the private sector. But there are several caveats that make untenable an easy comparison between Medicare and the private sector as private sector critics like to do. Most of what are considered administrative costs in the private sector are not captured by official Medicare accounting. So the investigators in this study tried to estimate how much it would be from other parts of the federal budget. Second, there is an assumption that administrative costs are bad. The fact is that only inefficient administrative costs are bad. Insurers regularly scrutinize claims forms and check with health care providers if they find an error, discrepancy or what they believe to be an unnecessary treatment. That raises administrative costs, but it also lowers claims costs. That is a benefit for those insured because it helps keep premiums lower. Moreover, that regular scrutiny has an impact on providers behavior, helping to discourage the small percentage who might try to game the system to increase their income. In other words, efficient administrative oversight alters behavior, and the cost is almost certainly recovered in lower premiums. Finally, because Medicare on average pays out more per claim, it distorts the administrative cost ratio. If both the private sector and Medicare paid out roughly the same on a per-claim basis, private sector hard administrative costs would likely be close. However, the issue is not and should not be which segment, private sector insurers or government-run plans, has the lowest administrative costs. The issue should be which 12 does the best job of providing quality health insurance coverage for the best price. When one looks at all of the money pouring into Medicare, even with the price controls imposed by the government, the answer has to be the private sector. SignatureScott in Florida |
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