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Mike - 04 Jun 2009 17:40 GMT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU
Conscience - 04 Jun 2009 17:54 GMT
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU

Couple this with our "president" claiming:

Now, the flip side is I think that the United States and the West
generally, we have to educate ourselves more effectively on Islam. And
one of the points I want to make is, is that if you actually took the
number of Muslims Americans, we'd be one of the largest Muslim
countries in the world."

Conveniently, he ignores the fact that less than 1% our our population
is Muslim, but hey, don't let the facts get in your way.  That's just
more padding between your knees and Muslim kneepads, right Barack?

BTW, has anyone heard a syllable from our "president" about Abdul Hakim
Mujahid Muhammad shooting two young military recruiters in Arkansas,
murdering one of them?  One word?  Just one?

But he sure had a lot to say about Dr. George Tiller being murdered,
with the AG dispatching Marshals to protect "appropriate people and
facilities around the nation."  I wonder why the same Marshals aren't
being dispatched to protect synagogues around the nation after the
arrests of four Islamic radicals last month for plotting to bomb Jewish
houses of worship in New York.

I guess those two privates, and Jews, aren't valuable or "appropriate" enough.
Jeff Strickland - 04 Jun 2009 17:58 GMT
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU
>
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> I guess those two privates, and Jews, aren't valuable or "appropriate"
> enough.

Has anybody heard a word about Islamic hatred from Obama? Just one?

Maybe we should accept that our own citizens and our friends are gunned down
or blwon up in cold blood, and that we must embrace the haters of our
citizens and friends.
Conscience - 04 Jun 2009 18:05 GMT
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU
>>
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
> or blwon up in cold blood, and that we must embrace the haters of our
> citizens and friends.

You betcha.  All in the name of understanding and tolerance.

Barack need to brush up on his history, starting with Chamberlain and
Santayana.
Lucius Accius - 04 Jun 2009 18:37 GMT
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU
>> Couple this with our "president" claiming:
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>
> Has anybody heard a word about Islamic hatred from Obama? Just one?

So you haven't listened to his speech in Cairo, I take it?
A few excerpts:

  Violent extremists have exploited these tensions in a small
  but potent minority of Muslims. The attacks of September 11th,
  2001 and the continued efforts of these extremists to engage
  in violence against civilians has led some in my country to
  view Islam as inevitably hostile not only to America and
  Western countries, but also to human rights.

  The first issue that we have to confront is violent extremism
  in all of its forms.

  I am aware that some question or justify the events of 9/11.
  But let us be clear: al-Qaida killed nearly 3,000 people on
  that day. The victims were innocent men, women and children
  from America and many other nations who had done nothing to
  harm anybody. And yet al-Qaida chose to ruthlessly murder
  these people, claimed credit for the attack, and even now
  states their determination to kill on a massive scale. They
  have affiliates in many countries and are trying to expand
  their reach. These are not opinions to be debated; these are
  facts to be dealt with.

  Make no mistake: we do not want to keep our troops in
  Afghanistan. We seek no military bases there. It is agonizing
  for America to lose our young men and women. It is costly and
  politically difficult to continue this conflict. We would
  gladly bring every single one of our troops home if we could
  be confident that there were not violent extremists in
  Afghanistan and Pakistan determined to kill as many Americans
  as they possibly can. But that is not yet the case.  That's
  why we're partnering with a coalition of 46 countries. And
  despite the costs involved, America's commitment will not
  weaken. Indeed, none of us should tolerate these extremists.
  They have killed in many countries. They have killed people of
  different faiths –- more than any other, they have killed
  Muslims. Their actions are irreconcilable with the rights of
  human beings, the progress of nations, and with Islam.

Those are just a few excerpts.  You should read the whole thing.
He did a pretty good job of telling them they need to get their
act together in a way that might actually be heard.

> Maybe we should accept that our own citizens and our friends are gunned down
> or blwon up in cold blood, and that we must embrace the haters of our
> citizens and friends.
JoeSpareBedroom - 04 Jun 2009 18:47 GMT
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU
>>> Couple this with our "president" claiming:
[quoted text clipped - 72 lines]
>> down or blwon up in cold blood, and that we must embrace the haters of
>> our citizens and friends.

These fellas can only handly small bits of information, carefully filtered
to agree with their existing beliefs, and spoon-fed to them by the media as
they sit on their a.ses and stuff their faces with animal crackers. They
never read actual transcripts.
Conscience - 04 Jun 2009 19:08 GMT
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU
>>> Couple this with our "president" claiming:
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>
> So you haven't listened to his speech in Cairo, I take it?

As though ANY of this negates him not addressing the soldiers in
Arkansas, the Jewish synagogue plotting, or any other actual deed.  
Deflection and ignoring the facts don't help you out, nor will the
inevitable ([lack of] response help out any idiot from New Yawk.

Words come cheap.  With Barack, VERY cheap.
JoeSpareBedroom - 04 Jun 2009 19:11 GMT
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU
>>>> Couple this with our "president" claiming:
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
>
> Words come cheap.  With Barack, VERY cheap.

Somebody tell Nellie that sometimes it's best not to give criminals the fame
& notoriety they crave.
Jeff Strickland - 04 Jun 2009 19:15 GMT
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU
>>> Couple this with our "president" claiming:
[quoted text clipped - 68 lines]
> He did a pretty good job of telling them they need to get their
> act together in a way that might actually be heard.

Terror, terrorism, and terrorists are words that should be used to describe
the "extremists".

I'd like to hear him say, we like Islam, but we will hunt down and kill
terrorists wherever they are.
Conscience - 04 Jun 2009 19:19 GMT
> Terror, terrorism, and terrorists are words that should be used to describe
> the "extremists".
>
> I'd like to hear him say, we like Islam, but we will hunt down and kill
> terrorists wherever they are.

Idiots might say we don't need to give them the recognition they
deserve, yet remember the gay teenager up north killed by the group of
scumbags?  That one gets a lot of attention, but when two gay adult
males killed a young man after raping him, we heard not a word in the
mainstream media.

So that arguement, too, falls flatter than his EEG.
JoeSpareBedroom - 04 Jun 2009 19:24 GMT
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU
>>>> Couple this with our "president" claiming:
[quoted text clipped - 74 lines]
> I'd like to hear him say, we like Islam, but we will hunt down and kill
> terrorists wherever they are.

Why would you like to hear him say we will hunt down and kill terrorists
wherever they are?
Fat Moe - 04 Jun 2009 19:28 GMT
>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU
>>>>> Couple this with our "president" claiming:
[quoted text clipped - 76 lines]
> Why would you like to hear him say we will hunt down and kill terrorists
> wherever they are?

 Were the Minute Men considered terrorists?
Jeff Strickland - 04 Jun 2009 19:38 GMT
>> Terror, terrorism, and terrorists are words that should be used to
>> describe the "extremists".
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Why would you like to hear him say we will hunt down and kill terrorists
> wherever they are?

Because that's the kind of thing EVERYBODY should say. This is not a unique
position of America, or ought not be. Every leader of evey country of the
world should be saying, terrorists beware.

When innocents get caught up in the crossfire, the blame should fall on the
terrorists in every case.
JoeSpareBedroom - 04 Jun 2009 19:41 GMT
>>> Terror, terrorism, and terrorists are words that should be used to
>>> describe the "extremists".
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> unique position of America, or ought not be. Every leader of evey country
> of the world should be saying, terrorists beware.

If Obama said we will hunt down and kill terrorists wherever they are, what
would be accomplished by saying it?
Jeff Strickland - 04 Jun 2009 20:00 GMT
>>>> Terror, terrorism, and terrorists are words that should be used to
>>>> describe the "extremists".
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> If Obama said we will hunt down and kill terrorists wherever they are,
> what would be accomplished by saying it?

What's accomplished by not saying it? Why does he avoid taking aim at
terrorism?

His avoidance of terror makes America look weak to terrorists.
JoeSpareBedroom - 04 Jun 2009 20:04 GMT
>>>>> Terror, terrorism, and terrorists are words that should be used to
>>>>> describe the "extremists".
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> His avoidance of terror makes America look weak to terrorists.

You didn't answer the question. I'd appreciate a very clear answer to the
question, please. We'll deal with "look weak" after you provide a
satisfactory answer to the question below.

If Obama said we will hunt down and kill terrorists wherever they are, what
would be accomplished by saying it?
Jeff Strickland - 04 Jun 2009 20:28 GMT
>>>>>> Terror, terrorism, and terrorists are words that should be used to
>>>>>> describe the "extremists".
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> If Obama said we will hunt down and kill terrorists wherever they are,
> what would be accomplished by saying it?

Strength.

Weakness comes from not saying it.

Why are you so dense that such simple concepts must constantly be explained?
JoeSpareBedroom - 04 Jun 2009 20:33 GMT
>>>>>>> Terror, terrorism, and terrorists are words that should be used to
>>>>>>> describe the "extremists".
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
> Why are you so dense that such simple concepts must constantly be
> explained?

I function with actual evidence. Obama has INCREASED the use of drone
aircraft. More of them, and deeper into areas where Bush refused to go
because he was weak and afraid to piss off the Pakistani government. If the
Air Force general in charge of these missions walked up to you and said "We
flew 183 drone missions in the past 10 days.", would you tell him he was
lying because Obama didn't accompany the stepped up attacks with
penis-waving words?

Would you tell him he was lying?

Would you tell him the attacks would be more effective if Obama used
penis-waving words?

Oh - and as far as dense, it's always best to speak softly and carry a big
stick. You can find this truth close to home. Ask any cooler in a busy night
club. Let me know if you need info about what coolers do. Only boys who
never outgrew 7th grade need to run their mouths, or hear other people doing
it.
Jeff Strickland - 04 Jun 2009 20:58 GMT
> I function with actual evidence. Obama has INCREASED the use of drone
> aircraft. More of them, and deeper into areas where Bush refused to go
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> who never outgrew 7th grade need to run their mouths, or hear other people
> doing it.

Not only is it about what he's done, it's about what he says.

If his words speak weakness, it doesn't matter very much what he does. He
needs to speak and do strength. That's his job. That's what YOU elected him
to do.

I didn't vote for him, but that does not keep me from understanding what his
role is.

He's visiting the Middle East, but not our most significant ally in the
region. He's catering his message to our enemies to a greater degree than to
our friends.

Next, he's visiting Germany, AFTER not visiting our most significant ally in
the Middle East.

He took time from his busy schedule to tell our most significant ally in the
Middle East to stop doing things that our most significant ally has every
right to be doing.

In a single speech, the President of the United States has demonstrated to
the whole world that he's not above abandoning significant allies while
cozying up to less significant allies, if not outright enemies.

YOU should be alarmed at the behavior of your President, I'm alarmed at the
behavior of my President.
JoeSpareBedroom - 04 Jun 2009 21:11 GMT
>> I function with actual evidence. Obama has INCREASED the use of drone
>> aircraft. More of them, and deeper into areas where Bush refused to go
[quoted text clipped - 41 lines]
> YOU should be alarmed at the behavior of your President, I'm alarmed at
> the behavior of my President.

- You may have noticed that our top military people do not use penis-waving
language.

- You may have noticed that Bush eventually apologized for using
penis-waving language.

- No real soldier is bothered by a president who uses penis-waving language.

Only an impotent armchair warrior child requires a leader who uses
penis-waving language. Do you really want to continue being that kind of
creature?
larry moe 'n curly - 04 Jun 2009 22:33 GMT
> I function with actual evidence. Obama has INCREASED the use of drone
> aircraft. More of them, and deeper into areas where Bush refused to go
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Would you tell him the attacks would be more effective if Obama used
> penis-waving words?

I just threw up a little in my mouth.
Conscience - 05 Jun 2009 04:03 GMT
>> I function with actual evidence. Obama has INCREASED the use of drone
>> aircraft. More of them, and deeper into areas where Bush refused to go
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> I just threw up a little in my mouth.

As did I.  But mine was due to his fixation.
JoeSpareBedroom - 05 Jun 2009 04:07 GMT
>>> I function with actual evidence. Obama has INCREASED the use of drone
>>> aircraft. More of them, and deeper into areas where Bush refused to go
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> As did I.  But mine was due to his fixation.

My fixation?  Nellie, if you think Islamic lunatics are going to be
a-skeered by a president who talks sh.t like a bully on a junior high school
playground, you're even more phuqued up than I previously thought.
Scott  in  Florida - 05 Jun 2009 04:22 GMT
>>>> I function with actual evidence. Obama has INCREASED the use of drone
>>>> aircraft. More of them, and deeper into areas where Bush refused to go
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>a-skeered by a president who talks sh.t like a bully on a junior high school
>playground, you're even more phuqued up than I previously thought.

Our great President George W. Bush had them crappin in their pants.

Now they are planning a gigantic hit on America.

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Conscience - 05 Jun 2009 04:57 GMT
>>>>> I function with actual evidence. Obama has INCREASED the use of drone
>>>>> aircraft. More of them, and deeper into areas where Bush refused to go
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
> Now they are planning a gigantic hit on America.

Peace in our time.  Uh-huh.
JoeSpareBedroom - 05 Jun 2009 06:21 GMT
>>>>> I function with actual evidence. Obama has INCREASED the use of drone
>>>>> aircraft. More of them, and deeper into areas where Bush refused to go
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>
> Now they are planning a gigantic hit on America.

Penis talk accomplishes absolutely nothing. Show me someone of high rank in
the current military who talks penis talk like Bush and maybe you can prove
me wrong.

There is no such military person.
Scott  in  Florida - 05 Jun 2009 16:21 GMT
>>>>>> I function with actual evidence. Obama has INCREASED the use of drone
>>>>>> aircraft. More of them, and deeper into areas where Bush refused to go
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
>
>There is no such military person.

You call it 'penis' talk....which you seem to have a fixation on.

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JoeSpareBedroom - 05 Jun 2009 16:29 GMT
>>>>>>> I function with actual evidence. Obama has INCREASED the use of
>>>>>>> drone
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
>
> You call it 'penis' talk....which you seem to have a fixation on.

Since it serves absolutely no purpose, the only way to justify it is to say
that it appeals to the baser instincts, something which you are all too
familiar with.
Conscience - 05 Jun 2009 17:11 GMT
>  You call it 'penis' talk....which you seem to have a fixation on.

You are what you eat:  Ex: Joe
Scott  in  Florida - 05 Jun 2009 18:17 GMT
>>  You call it 'penis' talk....which you seem to have a fixation on.
>
>You are what you eat:  Ex: Joe

Damn good that my drink was down when I clicked on your comment....

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CharlesTheCurmudgeon - 05 Jun 2009 21:44 GMT
>>>  You call it 'penis' talk....which you seem to have a fixation on.
>>
>>You are what you eat:  Ex: Joe
>
> Damn good that my drink was down when I clicked on your comment....

Mine, too.  I hate snorting tea through my nose!

Charles Grozny
matrixxx09@gmail.com - 04 Jun 2009 21:37 GMT
> "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...@frontiernet.net> wrote in message

it's always best to speak softly and carry a big
> > stick.
>
> Not only is it about what he's done, it's about what he says.
>
> If his words speak weakness, it doesn't matter very much what he does.

Not to be the "why can't we all just get along" guy, but right after
reading the above, I came across this on the NYT website (it's the
latest user comment on their "Addressing Muslim World, Obama Calls for
New Start" story):

"This is a classic difference between liberals and conservatives -
liberals think words change reality - conservatives know that change
comes from much deeper wells."

The exact OPPOSITE conclusion could be drawn by reading the exchanges
between Jeff and Joe.

Let's face it:

Neither conclusion is correct
None of us are anti-American
None of us is pro-Terrorist
All of us think that the approach we favor is the one that is more
likely to lead to success in the long term.
JoeSpareBedroom - 04 Jun 2009 21:40 GMT
On Jun 4, 3:58 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrj...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...@frontiernet.net> wrote in message

it's always best to speak softly and carry a big
> > stick.
>
> Not only is it about what he's done, it's about what he says.
>
> If his words speak weakness, it doesn't matter very much what he does.

Not to be the "why can't we all just get along" guy, but right after
reading the above, I came across this on the NYT website (it's the
latest user comment on their "Addressing Muslim World, Obama Calls for
New Start" story):

"This is a classic difference between liberals and conservatives -
liberals think words change reality - conservatives know that change
comes from much deeper wells."

The exact OPPOSITE conclusion could be drawn by reading the exchanges
between Jeff and Joe.

Let's face it:

Neither conclusion is correct
None of us are anti-American
None of us is pro-Terrorist
All of us think that the approach we favor is the one that is more
likely to lead to success in the long term.

==========================

I'll disagree on one important point:  I am absolutely correct when I say
that penis-waving language accomplishes absolutely nothing of importance. It
*does* accomplish this:  It keeps armchair warriors like Strickland happy.
But that's nothing of importance to the situation in the Middle East.

Armchair warriors should manage their 7th grade cravings by watching an
endless stream of Chuck Norris movies.
Scott  in  Florida - 05 Jun 2009 01:57 GMT
>>>>>>>> Terror, terrorism, and terrorists are words that should be used to
>>>>>>>> describe the "extremists".
[quoted text clipped - 49 lines]
>never outgrew 7th grade need to run their mouths, or hear other people doing
>it.

Ahhhh I've been wondering about you....

You never outgrew the seventh grade.

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Scott  in  Florida - 05 Jun 2009 01:54 GMT
>>>>> Terror, terrorism, and terrorists are words that should be used to
>>>>> describe the "extremists".
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
>His avoidance of terror makes America look weak to terrorists.

and opens us up to a horrible attack.

They know they are safe with their brother as prez....

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Scott in Florida

JoeSpareBedroom - 05 Jun 2009 01:56 GMT
>>>>>> Terror, terrorism, and terrorists are words that should be used to
>>>>>> describe the "extremists".
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>
> They know they are safe with their brother as prez....

Hearing other men spout penis-waving words makes you reach into your diaper
for pleasure.
Jeff Strickland - 04 Jun 2009 20:00 GMT
>>>> Terror, terrorism, and terrorists are words that should be used to
>>>> describe the "extremists".
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> If Obama said we will hunt down and kill terrorists wherever they are,
> what would be accomplished by saying it?

What's accomplished by not saying it? Why does he avoid taking aim at
terrorism?

His avoidance of terror makes America look weak to terrorists.
Scott  in  Florida - 05 Jun 2009 01:45 GMT
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU
>
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>
>I guess those two privates, and Jews, aren't valuable or "appropriate" enough.

Not to our Muslem Bambi.....

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Scott in Florida

JoeSpareBedroom - 04 Jun 2009 18:07 GMT
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU

I'm not worried. Muslims do things to negate some of their higher birth
rates.

Two Muslim ladies are talking over tea.
#1 pulls out some pictures of her kids:

"This is Yusuf. He would've been 24, but he's a martyr".

#2 says "What a good looking boy!"

#1 shows another picture and says "This is Zakir. He would've been 20, but
like his brother, a martyr".

#2 says "I remember him. He wanted to be a doctor".

#1 shows one more picture and says "This is Jamal. He would've been 16,
but....a martyr".

#2 sighs deeply and says "Kids! They blow up so fast these days!"
 
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