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{OT:} Limbaugh says physical fitness causes high healthcare costs

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edspyhill01 - 13 Jun 2009 04:06 GMT
Limbaugh was ranting about how people who are physically fit, exercise
and play sports are the cause of high healthcare costs.

He's lost it and he can no longer hide the fact.
Sharx35 - 13 Jun 2009 05:34 GMT
> Limbaugh was ranting about how people who are physically fit, exercise
> and play sports are the cause of high healthcare costs.
>
> He's lost it and he can no longer hide the fact.

Exercise fanatics are often responsible for incurring related injuries which
are a drain on the system.  Obsessive yuppie runners are the worst.
dbu' - 13 Jun 2009 13:12 GMT
In article
<a3537c60-a45b-4b2c-9e38-f42759bba432@h28g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,

> Limbaugh was ranting about how people who are physically fit, exercise
> and play sports are the cause of high healthcare costs.
>
> He's lost it and he can no longer hide the fact.

No, he's right and you are wrong.  People are injured all the time
running, walking, biking, swimming, climbing mountains, jumping out of
airplanes, etc.  But those statistics are not shown, only those from
smokers, and fast food junkies, which have been determined by the left
wing freaks to be bad for us.  Again, the left wants to keep thumb on
the little people, power over the masses.
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Mike - 13 Jun 2009 15:30 GMT
I once read where a statistician said statistics are only a guide line.   If
we replaced the word "smoke," in the statistical mix with the word "Milk,"
that the average number of illnesses and deaths in the statistics would be
HIGHER, since far more people have consumed MILK than have ever smoked.
LOL

> In article
> <a3537c60-a45b-4b2c-9e38-f42759bba432@h28g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> wing freaks to be bad for us.  Again, the left wants to keep thumb on
> the little people, power over the masses.
matrixxx09 - 13 Jun 2009 14:34 GMT
> Limbaugh was ranting about how people who are physically fit, exercise
> and play sports are the cause of high healthcare costs.
>
> He's lost it and he can no longer hide the fact.

There is no doubt that people sometimes injure themselves running and
so on.

The only question here is the NET effect:  Does the increased risk of
broken bones and torn ligaments due to exercise create more of a
strain on the system than if those people did not exercise and so were
therefore at a decreased risk for those things....and here's the
important part...but at a DECREASED risk for heart disease, diabetes,
etc.

That's the issue here.

Does anyone know the answer to that?  (And did Limbaugh address the
other part (the decrease in heart disease etc., or just the increase
for broken bones etc.?)
Mike - 13 Jun 2009 15:13 GMT
How come all the people that write all the fitness books are dead?    LOL

On Jun 12, 11:06 pm, edspyhill01 <edspyhil...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Limbaugh was ranting about how people who are physically fit, exercise
> and play sports are the cause of high healthcare costs.
>
> He's lost it and he can no longer hide the fact.

There is no doubt that people sometimes injure themselves running and
so on.

The only question here is the NET effect:  Does the increased risk of
broken bones and torn ligaments due to exercise create more of a
strain on the system than if those people did not exercise and so were
therefore at a decreased risk for those things....and here's the
important part...but at a DECREASED risk for heart disease, diabetes,
etc.

That's the issue here.

Does anyone know the answer to that?  (And did Limbaugh address the
other part (the decrease in heart disease etc., or just the increase
for broken bones etc.?)
larry moe 'n curly - 14 Jun 2009 04:24 GMT
> How come all the people that write all the fitness books are dead?    LOL

90% of them preached junk science and followed their own teachings.
matrixxx09 - 15 Jun 2009 13:34 GMT
On Jun 13, 11:24 pm, "larry moe 'n curly" <larrymoencu...@my-deja.com>
wrote:

> > How come all the people that write all the fitness books are dead?    LOL
>
> 90% of them preached junk science and followed their own teachings.

Well, the real cause of this is that we simply remember the fitness
gurus who died and forget about the ones that don't.   We do the
opposite for unhealthy people- forget about the ones who died and
remember the ones that live old (Keith Richards?).

Having said that I wouldn't be surprised if there was A LITTLE
something to it.  Something is odd about THAT much f.cking exercise.

It's all about moderation.   Eat "junk" food only on occasion, and get
a decent amount of exercise.  Leave the rest up to fate (well,
genetics).  That's what I say, at least.

And to answer the person above:  No, you are not the only one who
thinks Rush's argument is patently absurd.  At least how it's been
represented in this thread-- I didn't hear his original broadcast.

Speaking of which I am kind of curious- Did Rush mention the
significantly decreased risk of various (expensive) health problems
that goes along with exercise or only the increased risk of (cheap-by-
comparison) injuries?
tak - 15 Jun 2009 15:26 GMT
On Jun 13, 11:24 pm, "larry moe 'n curly" <larrymoencu...@my-deja.com>
wrote:
> Mike wrote:
>
> > How come all the people that write all the fitness books are dead? LOL
>
> 90% of them preached junk science and followed their own teachings.

Well, the real cause of this is that we simply remember the fitness
gurus who died and forget about the ones that don't.   We do the
opposite for unhealthy people- forget about the ones who died and
remember the ones that live old (Keith Richards?).

**** The Jim Fixx/Jack Lalanne conundrum?

Having said that I wouldn't be surprised if there was A LITTLE
something to it.  Something is odd about THAT much f.cking exercise.

It's all about moderation.   Eat "junk" food only on occasion, and get
a decent amount of exercise.  Leave the rest up to fate (well,
genetics).  That's what I say, at least.

And to answer the person above:  No, you are not the only one who
thinks Rush's argument is patently absurd.  At least how it's been
represented in this thread-- I didn't hear his original broadcast.

Speaking of which I am kind of curious- Did Rush mention the
significantly decreased risk of various (expensive) health problems
that goes along with exercise or only the increased risk of (cheap-by-
comparison) injuries?
matrixxx09 - 15 Jun 2009 18:55 GMT
> **** The Jim Fixx/Jack Lalanne conundrum?

Yes, thanks- that illustrates the point nicely:  I knew Jim Fixx was
dead right away (heart attack age 54), but had to check wikipedia for
Jack Lalanne's 'status'.  Alive and 94 years old.

This caught my eye:
1984 (age 70): Once again handcuffed and shackled, Jack fought strong
winds and currents as he swam 1.5 miles (2.4 km) while towing 70 boats
with 70 people from the Queen's Way Bridge in the Long Beach Harbor to
the Queen Mary.
Conscience - 15 Jun 2009 19:14 GMT
>> **** The Jim Fixx/Jack Lalanne conundrum?
>
> Yes, thanks- that illustrates the point nicely:  I knew Jim Fixx was
> dead right away (heart attack age 54), but had to check wikipedia for
> Jack Lalanne's 'status'.  Alive and 94 years old.

Actually Fixx was 52, and had a hereditary condition if memory serves.  
His father died in his forties.

Had Fixx not been as active as he was, he'd likely not have had those
few extra years.

About a year or so ago, I read a fitness magazine article on Jack.  The
writer was granted the interview on the condition that he participate
in LaLanne's daily workout.  After quite some time, the guy who was in
his thirties, was nearing the end of his rope.  He thought there was no
way that he'd let LaLanne best him.  Nearing his breaking point,
LaLanne said, "That's it."  He was relieved until LaLanne said,
"Warm-up's over.  Now to the workout."
edspyhill01 - 15 Jun 2009 20:05 GMT
> >> **** The Jim Fixx/Jack Lalanne conundrum?
>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> LaLanne said, "That's it."  He was relieved until LaLanne said,
> "Warm-up's over.  Now to the workout."

:-)
matrixxx09 - 15 Jun 2009 20:07 GMT
> >> **** The Jim Fixx/Jack Lalanne conundrum?
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Actually Fixx was 52, and had a hereditary condition if memory serves.  
> His father died in his forties.

52, yes.  f.cking genes.

> Had Fixx not been as active as he was, he'd likely not have had those
> few extra years.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> LaLanne said, "That's it."  He was relieved until LaLanne said,
> "Warm-up's over.  Now to the workout."

HA!

Well, almost all here seem to agree that the exercise-is-a-drain-on-
the-heathcare-system argument is utter horse poo poo.
edspyhill01 - 15 Jun 2009 20:22 GMT
> HA!
>
> Well, almost all here seem to agree that the exercise-is-a-drain-on-
> the-heathcare-system argument is utter horse poo poo.

Can we continue this discussion at the gym.  I'll hold the treadmill
next to me for you.
matrixxx09 - 16 Jun 2009 13:31 GMT
> Can we continue this discussion at the gym.  I'll hold the treadmill
> next to me for you.

Treadmill?  So, a.shole, how many injuries have you sustained on that
thing that **I'** have had to pay for? (I've been doing some soul
searching and decided that Rush was right).
Scott  in  Florida - 15 Jun 2009 19:10 GMT
>Having said that I wouldn't be surprised if there was A LITTLE
>something to it.  Something is odd about THAT much f.cking exercise.

ROFLMAO

On that we agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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JoeSpareBedroom - 13 Jun 2009 17:15 GMT
On Jun 12, 11:06 pm, edspyhill01 <edspyhil...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Limbaugh was ranting about how people who are physically fit, exercise
> and play sports are the cause of high healthcare costs.
>
> He's lost it and he can no longer hide the fact.

There is no doubt that people sometimes injure themselves running and
so on.

The only question here is the NET effect:  Does the increased risk of
broken bones and torn ligaments due to exercise create more of a
strain on the system than if those people did not exercise and so were
therefore at a decreased risk for those things....and here's the
important part...but at a DECREASED risk for heart disease, diabetes,
etc.

That's the issue here.

Does anyone know the answer to that?  (And did Limbaugh address the
other part (the decrease in heart disease etc., or just the increase
for broken bones etc.?)

===================

This particular theory of Limbaugh's doesn't even deserve discussion. Even
if you factor things like knee or hip problems into the health care
equation, those costs pale in comparison to the price tag for people rotting
in hospitals for months or years because of heart problems.

Next subject, please.
edspyhill01 - 13 Jun 2009 21:59 GMT
On Jun 13, 12:15 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...@frontiernet.net>
wrote:

> This particular theory of Limbaugh's doesn't even deserve discussion. Even
> if you factor things like knee or hip problems into the health care
> equation, those costs pale in comparison to the price tag for people rotting
> in hospitals for months or years because of heart problems.
>
> Next subject, please.

Yes, but look how fast the rightwingnuts accepted Limball's lunatic
premise and came to his defense and bought into the premise hook, line
and sinker.  Wow, what an obedient rightwingnut crew.
edspyhill01 - 13 Jun 2009 21:54 GMT
> Does anyone know the answer to that?  (And did Limbaugh address the
> other part (the decrease in heart disease etc., or just the increase
> for broken bones etc.?)

No.  But am I the only one who sees this latest Limpballs rant as
sheer lunacy?
Hachiroku ハチロク - 13 Jun 2009 19:31 GMT
> Limbaugh was ranting about how people who are physically fit, exercise
> and play sports are the cause of high healthcare costs.
>
> He's lost it and he can no longer hide the fact.

I didn't even read your post yet. But somehow putting Limbaugh and
"physical fitness" in the same sentance  is just *WRONG*!! (although he
did look OK when he was married, but he's put some of it back on...)
tak - 14 Jun 2009 02:07 GMT
> Limbaugh was ranting about how people who are physically fit, exercise
> and play sports are the cause of high healthcare costs.
>
> He's lost it and he can no longer hide the fact.

Ya gotta admit Rush looks like he's doing his part to help keep health costs
down. ;<)
edspyhill01 - 14 Jun 2009 03:07 GMT
> > and play sports are the cause of high healthcare costs.
>
> > He's lost it and he can no longer hide the fact.
>
> Ya gotta admit Rush looks like he's doing his part to help keep health costs
> down. ;<)

;-)
 
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