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Also, where do you think Barack Obama was born? I'll start: bad, and Hawaii > Also, where do you think Barack Obama was born? > > I'll start: bad, and Hawaii Look, man, there are so many stories about his birthplace it's getting confusing. He's had passports that are only available to people born in the country where they are issued. A simple birth certificate would stop it. Why has he spent almost $1M sealing records? Something is up. > > Also, where do you think Barack Obama was born? > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Something is up. So you feel this is a fake?: http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Obama_1961_birth_announcement_from_Honolulu_Advertiser >> > Also, where do you think Barack Obama was born? >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Obama_1961_birth_announcement_from_Honolulu_Advertiser October 28, 2008 Summary This Honolulu Advertiser announcement of Barack Obama's Aug 4, 1961 birth was published August 13, 1961 on page B-6. It is available only on microfilm in Hawaii libraries. The announcement is 4th from the bottom of the left hand column. Maybe I would if there were something there besides a description... > >> > Also, where do you think Barack Obama was born? > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Maybe I would if there were something there besides a description... There is. You didn't see the PDF? >> >> > Also, where do you think Barack Obama was born? >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > There is. You didn't see the PDF? What PDF? > >> Maybe I would if there were something there besides a description... > > > There is. You didn't see the PDF? > > What PDF? Click on 'current site' under "DOWNLOAD/VIEW FULL FILE FROM" right under the description (the one you pasted in). That will bring up a scan of the newspaper. >> >> Maybe I would if there were something there besides a description... >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > under the description (the one you pasted in). That will bring up a > scan of the newspaper. Dude, it's *GONE* !!!!!!!!!!!! Search results From Wikileaks You searched for Obama_1961_birth_announcement_from_Honolulu Jump to: navigation, search There is no page titled "Obama_1961_birth_announcement_from_Honolulu". You can create this page. For more information about searching Wikileaks, see Help. No page title matches No page text matches Note: Unsuccessful searches are often caused by searching for common words like "have" and "from", which are not indexed, or by specifying more than one search term (only pages containing all of the search terms will appear in the result). > >> >> Maybe I would if there were something there besides a description... > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Dude, it's *GONE* !!!!!!!!!!!! No it isn't. When I saw your message I checked....about 10 seconds ago now. I think it contradicts your belief and so you are unable to perceive it on your screen. That's OK. Even if you could perceive it you would have forgotten a minute later anyway. >> >> >> Maybe I would if there were something there besides a description... >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > it on your screen. That's OK. Even if you could perceive it you > would have forgotten a minute later anyway. Post the link again. All I get is :The article is gone" >> On Jul 23, 12:23 pm, Hachiroku ???? <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote: >>> > On Jul 23, 11:58 am, Hachiroku ???? <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Post the link again. All I get is :The article is gone" There's no need for him to post the link again. Go back to the first message containing the link. It works just fine. >>> On Jul 23, 12:23 pm, Hachiroku ???? <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote: >>>> > On Jul 23, 11:58 am, Hachiroku ???? <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > There's no need for him to post the link again. Go back to the first message > containing the link. It works just fine. JOE SAID SOMETHING!!!! Yes, it did. >>>> On Jul 23, 12:23 pm, Hachiroku ???? <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote: >>>>> > On Jul 23, 11:58 am, Hachiroku ???? <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Yes, it did. Of course it worked. You lied about it being broken. >>>>> On Jul 23, 12:23 pm, Hachiroku ???? <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote: >>>>>> > On Jul 23, 11:58 am, Hachiroku ???? <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Of course it worked. You lied about it being broken. Click a link in one of the RE: s and tell me it works, and then we'll see who's lying. >>>>>> On Jul 23, 12:23 pm, Hachiroku ???? <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote: >>>>>>> > On Jul 23, 11:58 am, Hachiroku ???? <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > Click a link in one of the RE: s and tell me it works, and then we'll see > who's lying. Funny. The computer expert doesn't know that links in follow-up messages often don't work. >>>>>>> On Jul 23, 12:23 pm, Hachiroku ???? <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote: >>>>>>>> > On Jul 23, 11:58 am, Hachiroku ???? <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > Funny. The computer expert doesn't know that links in follow-up messages > often don't work. <YAWN> I'm sure someone cares. Maybe. > >>>>>>> On Jul 23, 12:23 pm, Hachiroku ???? <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > On Jul 23, 11:58 am, Hachiroku ???? <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > I'm sure someone cares. Maybe. Take a few breaths and deeply, that will help the yawn, :) I know what you mean. jsb is a card and sometimes just a little bit redundant. Here's one of my favorites from Three Dog Night: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfzzOiuoGCc>  Signature"I've seen George Foreman shadow boxing and the shadow won." Muhammad Ali >> >>>>>>> On Jul 23, 12:23 pm, Hachiroku ???? <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> > On Jul 23, 11:58 am, Hachiroku ???? <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfzzOiuoGCc> That don't look like it was done in the 70's. Did you ever hear one of the singer's dicks exploded? > >> >>>>>>> On Jul 23, 12:23 pm, Hachiroku ???? <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote: > >> >>>>>>>> > On Jul 23, 11:58 am, Hachiroku ???? <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > > That don't look like it was done in the 70's. The song was but the video is not. > Did you ever hear one of the singer's dicks exploded? No. Signature"I've seen George Foreman shadow boxing and the shadow won." Muhammad Ali >> > Take a few breaths and deeply, that will help the yawn, :) >> > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > No. Someone told me that. I never looked into it. >>> > Take a few breaths and deeply, that will help the yawn, :) >>> > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Someone told me that. I never looked into it. Same way you get ALL your "news", in other words. >>>> > Take a few breaths and deeply, that will help the yawn, :) >>>> > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Same way you get ALL your "news", in other words. Well, Mouth, why don't you find out if it's true? I'll bet you don't have time, but you'll post 5,311 reasons why you can't, interspersed with 1,240 non sequiter questions. >>>> > Take a few breaths and deeply, that will help the yawn, :) >>>> > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Same way you get ALL your "news", in other words. After Obama's speech yesterday, it appears to be the way he gets his news, too. Listen to the speech. He says something to the effect of, "I know what I was told..." So much for your Genius President. > >>>> > Take a few breaths and deeply, that will help the yawn, :) > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > - Show quoted text - As opposed to "putting food on your family" and "Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear capabilities" and "yellow cake uranium from Niger", or "aluminum tubes" or "Heck of a job, Browny" or "weapons of mass destruction". Ah, the good old days of the failed rightwing coup. > On Jul 25, 7:28 am, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > Niger", or "aluminum tubes" or "Heck of a job, Browny" or "weapons of > mass destruction". Ah, the good old days of the failed rightwing coup. Don't forget those gynecologists practicing their love. >> >>>> > Take a few breaths and deeply, that will help the yawn, :) >> [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > Niger", or "aluminum tubes" or "Heck of a job, Browny" or "weapons of > mass destruction". Ah, the good old days of the failed rightwing coup. Yeah. Now we get an elegant Socialist. I'll take a President who doesn't talk too good, ya know, over one selling us down the river any day. > >> >>>> > Take a few breaths and deeply, that will help the yawn, :) > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Well, well, you used another dogwhistle phrase. "[D]own the River" is a slave term. Getting sold "down the river" meant that person's life was going to get even worse than it was, if we can imagine. >> >> >>>> > Take a few breaths and deeply, that will help the yawn, :) >> [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > a slave term. Getting sold "down the river" meant that person's life > was going to get even worse than it was, if we can imagine. Hey! If the shoe fits! > >>>>>> On Jul 23, 12:23 pm, Hachiroku ???? <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote: > >>>>>>> > On Jul 23, 11:58 am, Hachiroku ???? <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > Funny. The computer expert doesn't know that links in follow-up messages > often don't work. They will work if you take out the quote marks. Adding the < > also helps "keep it all together", which is one of your advices way back when to a former poster, wickeddoll, I may have that misspelled, but you get my drift, I think. Signature"I've seen George Foreman shadow boxing and the shadow won." Muhammad Ali >> >>>>>> On Jul 23, 12:23 pm, Hachiroku ???? <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote: >> >>>>>>> > On Jul 23, 11:58 am, Hachiroku ???? <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > to a former poster, wickeddoll, I may have that misspelled, but you get > my drift, I think. The Hack is supposed to be a computer expert. I'm sure he knew how to do that. But one of his hands was probably busy. >> They will work if you take out the quote marks. Adding the < > also >> helps "keep it all together", which is one of your advices way back when [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > The Hack is supposed to be a computer expert. I'm sure he knew how to do > that. But one of his hands was probably busy. Between your posts and Obama's birth announcement, it was all I could do to keep the keyboard clean... > Between your posts and Obama's birth announcement, it was all I could do > to keep the keyboard clean... When asked about the authenticity of the birth announcement of Barack Obama's birth in a Hawaii newspaper, here was your reaction: 1- when you thought that only a description of the announcement was available: (After pointing out there was only a description): "Maybe I would if there were something there besides a description..." 2- When you learned that there actually WAS something there besides a description that you overlooked (a SCAN OF THE ANNOUNCEMENT!!) your feeling on the matter is now: "Between [Joe's] posts and Obama's birth announcement, it was all I could do to keep the keyboard clean..." -------- Regarding your smoking gun that he had a passport for a country you claim he shouldn't be able to get one from (unless he was born there): My question to you on that was "How many times have you gone through a beaurocacy, or even a private company and got several different stories? Ever been able to do something that someone at a desk swears you should not have been able to do?" Your response in its entirety? This: "Refer to the thread about your GPS, my response to Sharx about my insurance, and the post I'll be making revising my response to Sharx sometime later today..." Do you feel any less strongly about Obama's birth not being in the US after seeing his birth announcement in a Hawaii newspaper? >> Between your posts and Obama's birth announcement, it was all I could do >> to keep the keyboard clean... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > (After pointing out there was only a description): > "Maybe I would if there were something there besides a description..." I run Linux. Linux works great with people that really know how to write a web page. If they are writing for M$ only, things sometimes get lost. When I used a different browser, however, the link was available. > 2- When you learned that there actually WAS something there besides a > description that you overlooked (a SCAN OF THE ANNOUNCEMENT!!) your > feeling on the matter is now: > > "Between [Joe's] posts and Obama's birth announcement, it was all I > could do to keep the keyboard clean..." Guess you'd better read Joe's post again to see what I was responding to. And the only way my keyboard ever gets dirty is from grease after working on a car and looking up one of the on-line manuals, or spewing coffee on it becuase someone either said something funny or totally ridiculous. > -------- > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > insurance, and the post I'll be making revising my response to Sharx > sometime later today..." Yup. The 'beauracracy' neve mailed me my license plate renewal, and the car got towed, etc. Beuracracies make mistakes, like granting a Hawaiian brith certificate based on a clipping from a newspaper. > Do you feel any less strongly about Obama's birth not being in the US > after seeing his birth announcement in a Hawaii newspaper? Reference my responses to edspyhill, ie, WTF good is an announcement in a newspaper? I could call in to my local paper and tell them you were born in my local hospital yesterday, and after reading some of you posts, they might just believe it... >> Do you feel any less strongly about Obama's birth not being in the US >> after seeing his birth announcement in a Hawaii newspaper? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > in my local hospital yesterday, and after reading some of you posts, they > might just believe it... During the last presidential campaign, why didn't the Republican party instruct McCain and Palin to harp on the birth certificate issue 24x7? It would've been the perfect weapon, based on how strongly you and other political insiders feel about it. >>> Do you feel any less strongly about Obama's birth not being in the US >>> after seeing his birth announcement in a Hawaii newspaper? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > would've been the perfect weapon, based on how strongly you and other > political insiders feel about it. Actually, I never subscribed to it. The Democrats wouldn't run someone illegally, would they? ACORN wouldn't register half a million non-existent voters, would they? What got me was, WHY has all the money been spent sealing Obama's records? >>>> Do you feel any less strongly about Obama's birth not being in the US >>>> after seeing his birth announcement in a Hawaii newspaper? [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > What got me was, WHY has all the money been spent sealing Obama's records? Beats me. Why didn't the Republican party ask the same question? Could it be because it's only a problem for overgrown boys who live with their mothers, and senile old farts like the sot in Florida and Uncle Jemima? Yes. That's why. >>>>> Do you feel any less strongly about Obama's birth not being in the US >>>>> after seeing his birth announcement in a Hawaii newspaper? [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Yes. That's why. A lot of others are asking, too. >>>>>> Do you feel any less strongly about Obama's birth not being in the US >>>>>> after seeing his birth announcement in a Hawaii newspaper? [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > A lot of others are asking, too. Who? >>>>>>> Do you feel any less strongly about Obama's birth not being in the US >>>>>>> after seeing his birth announcement in a Hawaii newspaper? [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Who? Ain't you? >>>>>>>> Do you feel any less strongly about Obama's birth not being in the >>>>>>>> US [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > Ain't you? Nope. If the Republican party is satisfied with Obama's citizenship, it's good enough for me. On Jul 29, 2:20 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...@frontiernet.net> wrote: > "Hachiroku ????" <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I think Hachi is a rainman. We are just wasting time thinking he is reasonable. >> Nope. If the Republican party is satisfied with Obama's citizenship, it's >> good enough for me.- Hide quoted text - [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I think Hachi is a rainman. We are just wasting time thinking he is > reasonable. Methinks you are all reading way too much into it. Here's the deal: Point out where *I* said Obama's Presidency is illegal. If you look, you'll see that I never have. I have just been questioning why he and others have sealed his records, when IIRC the last President to do so was Nixon, and I have also said that producing a BC would end all speculation. I never really said I was on one side of the issue or the other. But Joe and Ed have this preconceived notion that I am a staunch, Born Again, fully Right-Wing Neo-con, and that filters what they actually see when they read my posts. No, I don't like Obama, I don't like the Socialistic ideas he is presenting, I don't like ACORN taking power where they can, merely because they can; I don't like a lot about this Presidency or the morons in Congress bobbling their heads in support. There is not a lot of moderation, and it's a lot like a runaway train. But, he is the elected President. I would bet it's a safe bet there are a lot of people who didn't like Bush, and the L00NIEST among them had "IMPEACH" bumperstickers on their cars (one particular M00NBAT spelled it out in masking tape on the back of her Echo...) and the rest just suffered kind of silently. OK. Unfortuantely, the people that elected Obama are a lot like thw woman I overheard in the Radio Shack on Inauguration Day: "Oh, energy like that could heal the world!" Riiiight...... > >> Nope. If the Republican party is satisfied with Obama's citizenship, it's > >> good enough for me.- Hide quoted text - [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Methinks you are all reading way too much into it. But you can understand how someone would conclude from the following that you are...shall we say...'skeptical' of the President's birth? How did he get an Indonesian (? IIRC) passport when he went to school there. Only born citizens can have them. --- How did he get a dual citizenship if he was born in Hawaii? --- Well, isin't *THIS* interesting?!?!?!?! Obama 1961 birth announcement from Honolulu From Wikileaks Jump to: navigation, search There is currently no text in this page, you can search for this page title in other pages or edit this page. Everything that was there this AM is *GONE* --- So an announcement appeared in a newspaper! WOW! Well, I guess there's no question now, is there? --- Look, man, there are so many stories about his birthplace it's getting confusing. --- Something is up. --- Come on. We're adults here. We all know you don't have to say the words "Obama's presidency is illegal". Look at your comments above. Heck, just look at the last one. If the 'something' doesn't refer to the pres being born elsewhere, you certainly wanted people to think it did. >> >> Nope. If the Republican party is satisfied with Obama's citizenship, it's >> >> good enough for me.- Hide quoted text - [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > the pres being born elsewhere, you certainly wanted people to think it > did. Have a look through the bulk of Joe's posts to see what I'm doing... But, the doubt has been raised. OK, all well and good. But I am *STILL* wondering why, instead of stepping up to the plate, Obama had all his records sealed. I was hedging my doubts until that point. That's what makes me say, "Something is up." Someone who had nothing to hide would not go to such great lengths to hide nothing. What could it be? OK, maybe not a BC. Maybe he never graduated from Undergrad school. Maybe he never graduated from High School. Maybe his 'diploma' from whatever school he attended overseas is not valid in the US, meaning that anything that happened after that is also invalid. Does that make him unfit to be the President? I don't think Truman had a degree. But what it would mean is that his whole life is a lie. His Harvard degree would be invalid (quickly remedied by the University, but invalid nonetheless.) So, why the sealing of documents and records? > >> >> Nope. If the Republican party is satisfied with Obama's citizenship, it's > >> >> good enough for me.- Hide quoted text - [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > > So, why the sealing of documents and records? Maybe he feels that since no other President has had to do it, why should he? He has produced what he's been asked to produce, so now everyone can just f.ck off. Or maybe he has thought about it, and sat down with advisors, and they have determined that it would be GOOD to have controversy over his birthplace. Maybe it's a trap. He could be waiting for more mainstreamers to publicly get on board (see moron congressmen proposing a bill for god's sake- they insist it has nothing to do with Obama, but please, that's insulting.) Maybe he realizes that, at this point, there is NO proof that the nuts will accept, and so producing more will look to them like MORE cover up and conspiracy. Do you think there is *anything*, ANY piece of proof that could POSSIBLY appease the crazy lady in red at that town hall meeting? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwgzYkTDsmQ > Do you think there is *anything*, ANY piece of > proof that could POSSIBLY appease the crazy lady in red at that town > hall meeting? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwgzYkTDsmQ I have never said there aren't Conservative K00Ks, too... (Some of them are even worse than Liberal K00Ks...) > >> Between your posts and Obama's birth announcement, it was all I could do > >> to keep the keyboard clean... [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > When I used a different browser, however, the link was available. OK, fine. Honestly I don't care WHY you missed it. The point is that, when you thought there was only a description, you hinted that if there was MORE than that, "maybe" that would mean something. Then when you found out that there WAS more than just a description of the document, but, you know THE DOCUMENT ITSELF was there, suddenly the DOCUMENT ITSELF became ridiculous to the point of you spitting up onto your keyboard. > > 2- When you learned that there actually WAS something there besides a > > description that you overlooked (a SCAN OF THE ANNOUNCEMENT!!) your [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > on a car and looking up one of the on-line manuals, or spewing coffee on > it becuase someone either said something funny or totally ridiculous. No kidding. See above. > > -------- > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > in my local hospital yesterday, and after reading some of you posts, they > might just believe it... Well, my birth certificate would probably help them believe me. And all I've done in my posts is direct people to evidence. I know you hate evidence and data, but I like it. Sorry. BTW Bill O'Reilly called the conspiracy "absurd" last night. It made me think of my buddies here. >> I run Linux. Linux works great with people that really know how to write a >> web page. If they are writing for M$ only, things sometimes get lost. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > the DOCUMENT ITSELF became ridiculous to the point of you spitting up > onto your keyboard. Yup. That's an adequate observation. A birth announcement in the newspaper. Maybe gives Obama apologists the warm fuzzies, but doesn't do a thing for me. Once again: why were all his records sealed, at great lengths and cost? > >> I run Linux. Linux works great with people that really know how to write a > >> web page. If they are writing for M$ only, things sometimes get lost. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Yup. That's an adequate observation. Thank you. Thank you for acknowledging the change in your attitude toward the announcement from when you thought the actual document DIDN'T exist to when you learned it DID exist. >A birth announcement in the > newspaper. Maybe gives Obama apologists the warm fuzzies, but doesn't do a > thing for me. But it would have if it didn't exist, hypothetically. BTW I don't want to respond to your claim of watching an Obama speech and seeing a decrease in the market at the same time. To do so, I'd have to look at your post again, and in the 20 minutes since I looked at it earlier the market has declined. Conclusion: me reading your post is affecting the stock market in a negative way. > On Jul 28, 6:07 pm, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote: >> >> I run Linux. Linux works great with people that really know how to [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > at it earlier the market has declined. Conclusion: me reading your > post is affecting the stock market in a negative way. The market declined because I just found out I'm out of rye bread. > TW I don't want to respond to your claim of watching an Obama speech >> and seeing a decrease in the market at the same time. To do so, I'd [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > The market declined because I just found out I'm an idiot. We've been trying to keep that quiet, but you keep posting and letting the cat out of the bag... On Jul 29, 12:35 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...@frontiernet.net> wrote: > The market declined because I just found out I'm out of rye bread. f.ck you. It was my reading of Hachi's post that did it. But to be fair, it was horseshit when people said the same about Bush. EX: Today, President Bush gave an eight-minute speech on the economy, which was meant to reassure the markets. "This is an anxious time," said Bush. "But the American people can be confident in our economic future." However, ABC News notes that during those eight minutes, the Dow Jones dropped another 107 points. The Dow was down 78.70 at the beginning of Bush's address, but at 185.66 by the end. > On Jul 29, 12:35 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...@frontiernet.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Dow Jones dropped another 107 points. The Dow was down 78.70 at the > beginning of Bush's address, but at 185.66 by the end. I never said it was bullshit. It probably did. And proves my point that what a government leader can have just as much, if not more of an effect on the market as any other factor. Thanks! > And proves my point that what a government leader can have just as much, > if not more of an effect on the market as any other factor. Thanks! I think we both know it doesn't prove anything, but your interpretation is reasonable. But I think it's funny that when Obama gives a speech and the market goes down a little, he has 'weakened' the market, but when Bush speaks and the market goes down a LOT, he "had an effect" on the market. Subtle, but telling. >> And proves my point that what a government leader can have just as much, >> if not more of an effect on the market as any other factor. Thanks! [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Subtle, but telling. I've learned a lot from newscasters... (Think...3 stooges: "Every time you think you weaken the nation." Seemed fitting...) > > But I think it's funny that when Obama gives a speech and the market > > goes down a little, he has 'weakened' the market, but when Bush speaks > > and the market goes down a LOT, he "had an effect" on the market. > I've learned a lot from newscasters... > > (Think...3 stooges: "Every time you think you weaken the nation." Seemed > fitting...) OK On Jul 29, 12:35 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...@frontiernet.net> wrote: > The market declined because I just found out I'm out of rye bread. f.ck you. It was my reading of Hachi's post that did it. But to be fair, it was horseshit when people said the same about Bush. EX: Today, President Bush gave an eight-minute speech on the economy, which was meant to reassure the markets. "This is an anxious time," said Bush. "But the American people can be confident in our economic future." However, ABC News notes that during those eight minutes, the Dow Jones dropped another 107 points. The Dow was down 78.70 at the beginning of Bush's address, but at 185.66 by the end. ============= I'm sure the trading zoo at the NYSE comes to a halt every time a president decides to babble on TV for a few minutes. Not. On Jul 29, 2:12 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...@frontiernet.net> wrote: > I'm sure the trading zoo at the NYSE comes to a halt every time a president > decides to babble on TV for a few minutes. > > Not. Actually, what DOES happen to the stock market when something 'significant' comes on TV? > On Jul 29, 2:12 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...@frontiernet.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Actually, what DOES happen to the stock market when something > 'significant' comes on TV? I can't wait to see this answer! >>A birth announcement in the >> newspaper. Maybe gives Obama apologists the warm fuzzies, but doesn't do a [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > at it earlier the market has declined. Conclusion: me reading your > post is affecting the stock market in a negative way. Not at all. Every time Obama thinks he weakens the nation. Are you in line with Socialism? No lengthy dissertation, please. Yes or no. > Yes, it did. Lemme guess. You're totally unmoved by it. >> Yes, it did. > > Lemme guess. You're totally unmoved by it. There are obituaries in the local newspaper for people from Florida. > >> > Also, where do you think Barack Obama was born? > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Maybe I would if there were something there besides a description... Click on 'current site' under "DOWNLOAD/VIEW FULL FILE FROM" right under the description (the one you pasted in). That will bring up a scan of the newspaper. >> >> > Also, where do you think Barack Obama was born? >> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > under the description (the one you pasted in). That will bring up a > scan of the newspaper. But Ed just said hospital birth records are often not considered valid, so why should a newspaper clipping? >> >> > Also, where do you think Barack Obama was born? >> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > under the description (the one you pasted in). That will bring up a > scan of the newspaper. Well, isin't *THIS* interesting?!?!?!?! Obama 1961 birth announcement from Honolulu From Wikileaks Jump to: navigation, search There is currently no text in this page, you can search for this page title in other pages or edit this page. Everything that was there this AM is *GONE* Just like a lot of other things on the Net pertaining to BO's BC. Now you see them, now you don't. This is not the first time someone has posted a link about BO and within a matter of hours it's *GONE* > >> > Also, where do you think Barack Obama was born? > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Do you know that the hospital birth certificate we might have is not considered a valid birth certificate. You must have the one from the state. Have you every gotten a passport? >> October 28, 2008 >> Summary [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Do you know that the hospital birth certificate we might have is not > considered a valid birth certificate. So, what you're saying is the hospital BC may not be considered a valid source? OK, then why should we put any stock and faith into a newspaper birth announcement? > >> October 28, 2008 > >> Summary [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > source? OK, then why should we put any stock and faith into a newspaper > birth announcement? Have you ever requested a passport from the State Department? >> >> October 28, 2008 >> >> Summary [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Have you ever requested a passport from the State Department? Nope. But, try to follow yourself for a minute. You said that hospital BCs often aren't worth anything, and yet you're pointing to a birth announcement that could have been sent to the paper by anybody. > >> >> October 28, 2008 > >> >> Summary [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > - Show quoted text - That's YOUR tortured brain maze. The original hospital birth certificate is not worthless. The state gets one original and keeps it is on file. Has ANY president shown their original hospital birth certificate? How about all the Senators and Congressmen? >> >> >> October 28, 2008 >> >> >> Summary [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > it is on file. Has ANY president shown their original hospital birth > certificate? How about all the Senators and Congressmen? We'll get back to this... >> >> >> October 28, 2008 >> >> >> Summary [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > it is on file. Has ANY president shown their original hospital birth > certificate? How about all the Senators and Congressmen? My tortured brain maze? Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 08:08:48 -0700 (PDT) From: edspyhill01 <edspyhill01@gmail.com> Injection-Info: h31g2000yqd.googlegroups.com; posting-host=192.154.91.225; posting-account=xB4aFgoAAAAe0IGxiU_VE74afk_V0xIm Lines: 37 Message-ID: <aea9839a-a44e-4820-9505-0a0565a870f5@h31g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> Do you know that the hospital birth certificate we might have is not considered a valid birth certificate. You must have the one from the state. So, you said this yesterday, and now you're saying an announcement in a newspaper is valid proof? > >> >> >> October 28, 2008 > >> >> >> Summary [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > - Show quoted text - What is this tactic you use: wear down people with your tortured logic? >> > That's YOUR tortured brain maze. The original hospital birth >> > certificate is not worthless. The state gets one original and keeps [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > What is this tactic you use: wear down people with your tortured logic? Seems to be working for you. Are you not taking your meds again? You can't remember what you said yesterday, yesterday; why should I think you'd own it today? > > He's had passports that are only available to people born in the country > > where they are issued. If that's true (that he has them, and that that should be considered proof he was born there because ONLY people born there can have them) then he must have been born in multiple countries. Is that your contention? If not, we need to throw away this passport stuff as proof of anything. >> > He's had passports that are only available to people born in the country >> > where they are issued. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Is that your contention? If not, we need to throw away this passport > stuff as proof of anything. How did he get an Indonesian (? IIRC) passport when he went to school there. Only born citizens can have them. > How did he get an Indonesian (? IIRC) passport when he went to school > there. Only born citizens can have them. I'd have to read the indonesian law in effect when he went to school there, as well as whether, if the law WAS in effect, to what extent it was enforced. How many times have you gone through a beaurocacy, or even a private company and got several different stories? Ever been able to do something that someone at a desk swears you should not have been able to do? > How many times have you gone through a beaurocacy, or even a private > company and got several different stories? Ever been able to do > something that someone at a desk swears you should not have been able > to do? Refer to the thread about your GPS, my response to Sharx about my insurance, and the post I'll be making revising my response to Sharx sometime later today... > >> > He's had passports that are only available to people born in the country > >> > where they are issued. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > How did he get an Indonesian (? IIRC) passport when he went to school > there. Only born citizens can have them. Dual citizenship. Ireland, Italy, and many other countries offer dual citizenship. I work with one person who has dual citizenship with Ireland and so does the rest of her family. I'm working on dual citizenship with Italy. >> >> > He's had passports that are only available to people born in the country >> >> > where they are issued. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Ireland and so does the rest of her family. I'm working on dual > citizenship with Italy. How did he get a dual citizenship if he was born in Hawaii? > >> >> > He's had passports that are only available to people born in the country > >> >> > where they are issued. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > - Show quoted text - You request the dual citizenship in the second country as a citizen of the US. >>>>>>> He's had passports that are only available to people born in the country >>>>>>> where they are issued. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > You request the dual citizenship in the second country as a citizen of > the US. Video at the bottom of this page is good for some yucks this subject: http://gawker.com/5320976/jon-stewart-to-lou-dobbs-do-you-even-watch-your-own-f+ ing-network > > Also, where do you think Barack Obama was born? > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Something is up. How was the Hawaiin newspaper birth announcement forged? If it was forged how were all the archived copies changed? >> > Also, where do you think Barack Obama was born? >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > How was the Hawaiin newspaper birth announcement forged? If it was > forged how were all the archived copies changed? You just said that hospital birth certificates are often now recognized, so why would anybody put faith ina newspaper announcement? We have obituaries in the paper from Florida. > >> > Also, where do you think Barack Obama was born? > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > - Show quoted text - You are avoiding the question. How was the newspaper announcement forged? >> >> > Also, where do you think Barack Obama was born? >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > You are avoiding the question. How was the newspaper announcement > forged? Why is it valid? I never said it was forged. So an announcement appeared in a newspaper! WOW! Well, I guess there's no question now, is there? > >> >> > Also, where do you think Barack Obama was born? > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Try to focus. >> > You are avoiding the question. How was the newspaper announcement >> > forged? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Try to focus. Huh? ME try to focus? In one post YOU said that hospital birth certificates aren't legally considered valid, now you're resting your case on a 'birth announcement' that anyone could have placed, and you're telling *ME* to focus???? > >> > You are avoiding the question. How was the newspaper announcement > >> > forged? [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > considered valid, now you're resting your case on a 'birth announcement' > that anyone could have placed, and you're telling *ME* to focus???? You can't seem to connect 2 or more posts. >> >> > You are avoiding the question. How was the newspaper announcement >> >> > forged? [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > You can't seem to connect 2 or more posts. You'd better put the crack pipe down for the rest of the weekend. This is the LAST of your amazingly STUPID posts in this thread I'm responding to. Snap the f.ck out of it. > >> >> > You are avoiding the question. How was the newspaper announcement > >> >> > forged? [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > - Show quoted text - You are still hoping I will continue to humor you. Post a photo of your hospital birth certificate with you elf footprint. >> >> >> > You are avoiding the question. How was the newspaper announcement >> >> >> > forged? [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > You are still hoping I will continue to humor you. Post a photo of > your hospital birth certificate with you elf footprint. What does that have to do with it? Follow along now...I'll type slowly. The other day you said a lot of hospital birth certificats are not considered legal. Remember that? You said it. I also reposted it for you, just to try to jog your addled brain. *THEN* you pointed to a newspaper clipping about Obama's birth announcement in Hawaii. With me so far? The *implication* you made was, that since his announcement was in a Hawaiian paper, that he must be a citizen. Got that so far? Then *I* said, if YOU said a hospital BC is no good, what good is a newspaper clipping? Ok so far? *THEN* you went off your Froot Loops and started saying *I* couldn't follow. So, at this point, all I can really say is: WHAT THE f.ck DOES *MY* BIRTH CERTIFICATE HAVE TO DO WITH IT????? Interesting how the Left loves to put labels on beliefs and principles that they have no plausible counter for. > Also, where do you think Barack Obama was born? > > I'll start: bad, and Hawaii > Interesting how the Left loves to put labels hahaha. Yeah, only the left uses labels. :) > on beliefs and principles > that they have no plausible counter for. I think the 'plausible counter' for the "principle" or "belief", as you put it, that Barack Obama was not born in the US is all the evidence of his birth in the US. New INS program to reach out to immigrants... #1 way of getting your citizenship - run for President as a Democrat > > Interesting how the Left loves to put labels > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > you put it, that Barack Obama was not born in the US is all the > evidence of his birth in the US. > New INS program to reach out to immigrants... > > #1 way of getting your citizenship - run for President as a Democrat So it's safe to say that you believe that Barack Obama was not born in the US? Yes or no? And regarding your earlier comment, it's not like "birther conspiracist" is derogatory or anything. It's someone who things there is a conspiracy regarding the birth of the President. Thanks for the heads up... ;-) > And regarding your earlier comment, it's not like "birther > conspiracist" is derogatory or anything. It's someone who things > there is a conspiracy regarding the birth of the President. > Thanks for the heads up... ;-) No problem. It really is a simple, straightforward, and accurate description. He has not proven it to my satisfaction. And his All-Star first pitch only hurt his case. > So it's safe to say that you believe that Barack Obama was not born in > the US? Yes or no? > He has not proven it to my satisfaction. Come to think of it, I've never seen Bush's birth certificate. But I suppose I could probably hunt down a picture of it, and maybe even an announcement of his birth in a newspaper. And I bet people in the relevant positions have publicly vouched for it too. Never mind. I believe that GWB was born in the US. > And his All-Star first pitch > only hurt his case. That's actually funny. On Jul 23, 9:33 am, Mark <bogusmailm...@yahoo.com> wrote: > He has not proven it to my satisfaction. Come to think of it, I've never seen Bush's birth certificate. But I suppose I could probably hunt down a picture of it, and maybe even an announcement of his birth in a newspaper. And I bet people in the relevant positions have publicly vouched for it too. ======================== Here's a fun question I like to ask during these Obama birth certificate debates. The neodupes can NEVER answer it. If the birthplace issue is such a fantastic weapon to use against Obama, why didn't the Republican party direct McCain to use the issue 24x7 during the campaign? It would've obviated the need to discuss ANY other issues. But the party didn't do that, did it? On Jul 23, 9:53 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...@frontiernet.net> wrote: > On Jul 23, 9:33 am, Mark <bogusmailm...@yahoo.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > But the party didn't do that, did it? Yes, that is one of many reasons the whole thing is absurd. Do you know of any polls about this? I'm curious what percent of citizens believe this. On Jul 23, 9:53 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...@frontiernet.net> wrote: > "matrixxx09" <matrixx...@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > But the party didn't do that, did it? Yes, that is one of many reasons the whole thing is absurd. Do you know of any polls about this? I'm curious what percent of citizens believe this. ================ Nope. I suppose I could find one. But I could also go & water the houseplants. Let's see....A or B? B. On Jul 23, 10:01 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...@frontiernet.net> wrote: > On Jul 23, 9:53 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...@frontiernet.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > B. The first one that came up on my search just now: Poll: 72% think Obama was born in Africa. On Jul 23, 10:01 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...@frontiernet.net> wrote: > "matrixxx09" <matrixx...@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > B. The first one that came up on my search just now: Poll: 72% think Obama was born in Africa. =========== Any other info about the survey methods? Sounds like it might've involved only the population of a nursing home specializing in severe dementia. On Jul 23, 10:37 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...@frontiernet.net> wrote: > Any other info about the survey methods? Strangely there was none. On Jul 23, 10:37 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...@frontiernet.net> wrote: > Any other info about the survey methods? Strangely there was none. ================= Typical of a poorly done survey. Competent polling organizations are proud to show their methodology. Given his obvious dislike for all things American and 6-month legacy of screw-ups and destructive Socialist policies, it doesn't bode well for his future, does it? > The first one that came up on my search just now: Poll: 72% think > Obama was born in Africa.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - > Given his obvious dislike for all things American and 6-month legacy > of screw-ups and destructive Socialist policies, it doesn't bode well [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > > - Show quoted text - Come on, Mark. You're taking that poll seriously? I posted it as a joke. So what do you think of the birth announcement in the paper? On Jul 23, 9:53 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...@frontiernet.net> wrote: > Here's a fun question I like to ask during these Obama birth certificate > debates. The neodupes can NEVER answer it. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > But the party didn't do that, did it? You were right. No one went near it. On Jul 23, 9:53 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...@frontiernet.net> wrote: > Here's a fun question I like to ask during these Obama birth certificate > debates. The neodupes can NEVER answer it. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > But the party didn't do that, did it? You were right. No one went near it. =============== As close as they get is to claim that the parties have nothing to say about the strategies used by their candidates. That's obviously absurd, but what's new? You see what goes on here. Here's a side project for you: Pay close attention to the way dbu's writing changes as the day progresses. Not what he says, but how he writes. > On Jul 23, 9:53 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...@frontiernet.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > You were right. No one went near it. I suspect that even the Republican party was wary about partnering with a group of insane individuals, especially since both Obama's birth certificate, and the birth announcement in the Hawaiian newspaper are sufficient proof that he was born in the U.S.. The birth conspiracists seem to be comprised of individuals that received section 8 discharges from the military, and a few Fox talk show hosts. > As close as they get is to claim that the parties have nothing to say about > the strategies used by their candidates. That's obviously absurd, but what's > new? You see what goes on here. > > Here's a side project for you: Pay close attention to the way dbu's writing > changes as the day progresses. Not what he says, but how he writes. Good article at "http://correspondents.theatlantic.com/erik_tarloff/2009/07/_can_we.php" as to why the Republican party self-destructing due to the birthers and assorted lunatics may not necessarily be a good thing. > Interesting how the Left loves to put labels on beliefs and principles > that they have no plausible counter for. That was one of my favorite comments of the week last week, for both the labeling bit and for the 'plausible counter' bit. And for saying 'beliefs and principles' when we're talking about some nutty conspiracy theory. |
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