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What do you think they should do with this woman? --------------------- SAN ANTONIO (AP) - San Antonio police say a woman accused of beheading her 3 1/2-week-old infant son used a knife and two swords in the attack and ate some of the child's body parts. San Antonio Police Chief William McManus told reporters Monday that Otty Sanchez's attack on her son, Scott Wesley Buchholtz-Sanchez, was "too heinous" to fully discuss. But he says Sanchez ate part of the newborn's brain and bit off three of his toes before stabbing herself twice. Police say the 33-year-old Sanchez told officers who were called to her house early Sunday that she killed her son at the Devil's request. Sanchez is charged with capital murder and is being held on $1 million bail. She is recovering from her wounds at a hospital. http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D99MU3481&show_article=1 > What do you think they should do with this woman? > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D99MU3481&show_article=1 1) She should be burned alive, in public. 2) Since she mentioned the devil, police should investigate whether she regularly attended a particular church, scope out the church, and if the pastor is especially nuts, he should be charged with being an accessory to murder. >>What do you think they should do with this woman? >> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >1) She should be burned alive, in public. I'll go along with that. >2) Since she mentioned the devil, police should investigate whether >she regularly attended a particular church, scope out the church, and >if the pastor is especially nuts, he should be charged with being an >accessory to murder. What if the investigation finds out she was delusional because of the anti-anxiety or anti-depressants her psychiatrist had been prescribing? What will probably happen is the manufacturer of the swords/knife will be sued and put out of business. Or pro-abortion groups will argue the child wasn't really a human being because it was too young.  Signature"Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." ~ Terry Pratchett On Jul 27, 1:49 pm, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com> wrote: > What will probably happen is the manufacturer of the swords/knife will > be sued and put out of business. Or pro-abortion groups will argue the > child wasn't really a human being because it was too young. Neither of those will happen (actually, one of them is impossible), but this part should scream something to all who read it: "But he says Sanchez ate part of the newborn's brain and bit off three of his toes before stabbing herself twice." >On Jul 27, 1:49 pm, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com> >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >three >of his toes before stabbing herself twice." She was hungry? It's the soup kitchen's fault then! On Jul 27, 2:01 pm, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com> wrote: > She was hungry? It's the soup kitchen's fault then! We've got some woman with obvious, serious mental illness, and a dead baby. Have some respect. > On Jul 27, 1:49 pm, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > three > of his toes before stabbing herself twice." Another result of a LIEbrawl education. On >> Jul 27, 1:49 pm, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com> >> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Another result of a LIEbrawl education. Multiculturalism? >> What do you think they should do with this woman? >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > 1) She should be burned alive, in public. Public execution is good. Firing squad works for me. Or, the guillotine -- like-punishment, and all of that. > 2) Since she mentioned the devil, police should investigate whether she > regularly attended a particular church, scope out the church, and if the > pastor is especially nuts, he should be charged with being an accessory to > murder. Perhaps we should just lock the doors when the congregation shows up for services and throw in some cyanide or anthrax, and put them out of our collective misery. I'm inclined to wonder that since you reject the idea that Obama could be brainwashed by the likes of Rev. Wright, then how come (all of a sudden) this person is susceptible to brainwashing by her pastor/priest/rabbi/imam? >>> What do you think they should do with this woman? >>> [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > this person is susceptible to brainwashing by her > pastor/priest/rabbi/imam? Depends on how susceptible individuals are to being brainwashed. When kids are raised correctly, they're taught to question absolutely everything. That's how people like me and my son grew up, and Obama too. On the other hand, over-the-edge devout religious people were raised improperly and they're like sponges for bullshit. >>>> What do you think they should do with this woman? >>>> [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > Depends on how susceptible individuals are to being brainwashed. But Joe, you have no idea how susceptible Obama is to brainwashing, yet you reject the effect that Rev. "not God Bless America, God Damn America ..." Wright, and all of the rest of the hateful sh.t he spewwed for 20+ years, had on the Obamas while Barack and Michelle sat in the pews has had. And whatever sh.t that has been stuffed into Obama's head is now being stuffed into yours. enjoy the Kool Aid. Michelle practically quoted verbatim one of the Obama's mentors when she stated emphatically that in her adult life, she has not been proud of being an American, until now. The Obamas hate America. They, Barack and his darling bride, hate everything that America is and what it stands for. You should have voted for McCain/Palin, at least then you would have gotten an Administration that loves their country with every fiber of their being. You might not have gotten the sharpest knife in the drawer (I would not agree with that assessment, by the way) but you would have gotten people that love America and would work to make her stronger, not weaker. They don't even let Biden out in public anymore because he f---s up so bad every time he opens his mouth. He's worse than W ever was. Nobody can be accused of misunderestimating Biden. And Obama, the Apologizer in Chief, has done more damage to America in 6 months than W did in 8 years. With Bush, they (whoever "they" are) did not like us. With Obama, they do not trust us. Lost trust is far worse than lost love. >>>>> What do you think they should do with this woman? >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > But Joe, you have no idea how susceptible Obama is to brainwashing, Actually, I do. I'm really good at knowing things like that. > Actually, I do. I'm really good at knowing things like that. Great. Psychedelic Kool Aid. And I thought is was just psycho ... On Jul 27, 1:30 pm, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com> wrote: > What do you think they should do with this woman? > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D99MU3481&show_article=1 It should be determined: 1) If she is guilty, and, 2) If she is mentally ill. If she is mentally ill, I believe she deserves our sympathy and help, not our wrath. Jeff On Jul 27, 1:30 pm, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com> wrote: > What do you think they should do with this woman? > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D99MU3481&show_article=1 It should be determined: 1) If she is guilty, and, 2) If she is mentally ill. If she is mentally ill, I believe she deserves our sympathy and help, not our wrath. Jeff =========== That's just plum crazy, Jeff. >On Jul 27, 1:30 pm, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com> >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > >Jeff Really? The same kind of sympathy and help the baby received? What possible good cause can come out of her continued existense? On Jul 27, 1:54 pm, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com> wrote: > >On Jul 27, 1:30 pm, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com> > >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > What possible good cause can come out of her continued existense? She has intrinsic worth as a human being. And I see no evidence that she acted out of malice, but rather, apparently, she is mentally ill. If you don't understand that, you're sorry. Jeff >On Jul 27, 1:54 pm, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com> >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] >She has intrinsic worth as a human being. And I see no evidence that >she acted out of malice, but rather, apparently, she is mentally ill. She gave up any semblance of a human being when she began eating the baby. >If you don't understand that, you're sorry. No, Jeff. I think you are the sorry one here. Obviously you hold no value in a child's life. On Jul 27, 2:03 pm, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com> wrote: > >On Jul 27, 1:54 pm, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com> > >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > No, Jeff. I think you are the sorry one here. Obviously you hold no > value in a child's life. I hold a great deal of value in each child's life. And each adult's life. I don't know the full circumstances of the tragedy. However, it appears the women in mentally ill. I am not going to pass final judgment until I know all the facts in the case. And certainly, I am not going to talk about a punishment until I know if one is called for. Jeff On Jul 27, 2:03 pm, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com> wrote: > Jeff wrote: > >On Jul 27, 1:54 pm, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com> [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > No, Jeff. I think you are the sorry one here. Obviously you hold no > value in a child's life. I hold a great deal of value in each child's life. And each adult's life. I don't know the full circumstances of the tragedy. However, it appears the women in mentally ill. I am not going to pass final judgment until I know all the facts in the case. And certainly, I am not going to talk about a punishment until I know if one is called for. Jeff ================ It's clear that there will be SOME form of punishment. The problem with people who are way over the edge is that they may not realize that being incarcerated and drugged into a stupor is a form of punishment. It doesn't hurt enough. On Jul 27, 2:32 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...@frontiernet.net> wrote: <...> > It's clear that there will be SOME form of punishment. The problem with > people who are way over the edge is that they may not realize that being > incarcerated and drugged into a stupor is a form of punishment. It doesn't > hurt enough. I suspect that once she regains her senses, the fact that she killed her kid will torment her for the rest of her life (assuming that's she did indeed kill the kid). Jeff >On Jul 27, 2:32 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...@frontiernet.net> >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Jeff Okay, then let's have the court assign her as the caretaker of one of your family member's kids afterwards. In article <d99c7148-f162-4e8d-83b7-b535072abd9d@e27g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, > On Jul 27, 2:32 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...@frontiernet.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Jeff I don't believe a person that far into a state of psychosis will have much chance for recovery. She most likely will be held under close supervision for at least most of her life. -- > In article > <d99c7148-f162-4e8d-83b7-b535072ab...@e27g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > supervision for at least most of her life. > -- Try taking a ride on the subway in NYC. You will see that a lot of people who have severe mental problems are under the streets (as in the subways -- as well as on the streets). Jeff In article <e4b09718-b544-478b-8494-053833818e85@h30g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>, > > In article > > <d99c7148-f162-4e8d-83b7-b535072ab...@e27g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Jeff Do they too chop off the heads of little babies? No? Then what can you charge them on? Jeff, you can't just grab a homeless person and throw them in the nut house for being homeless. Because we have twice as many people on earth as we had 40 years ago the incidence of this type of behavior will become more evident. So get used to it while riding the sub-way. Good luck. -- > In article > <e4b09718-b544-478b-8494-053833818...@h30g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Do they too chop off the heads of little babies? No? Usually not? > Then what can you charge them on? The appropriate authorities can take people into a mental health facility to determine if they are a danger to themselves or others. They can also *offer* them help, although, without oversight of a court, they cannot force medication or treatment on them. > Jeff, you can't just grab a homeless person and throw > them in the nut house for being homeless. Of course not. However, if the person is a threat to himself or someone else, you can take him in for evaluation. > Because we have twice as many people on earth as we had 40 years ago > the incidence of this type of behavior will become more evident. Wrong. Because 40 years ago, a larger proportion of people with schizophrenia were either locked up or getting treatment. Unfortunately, today, far too many people with schizophrenia and other mental illness go untreated and are homeless. > So get > used to it while riding the sub-way. Good luck. What makes you assume I'm not use to it? Jeff > -- On Jul 27, 5:23 pm, dbuª <nos...@nobama.com.invalid> wrote: > In article > <e4b09718-b544-478b-8494-053833818...@h30g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Do they too chop off the heads of little babies? No? Usually not? > Then what can you charge them on? The appropriate authorities can take people into a mental health facility to determine if they are a danger to themselves or others. They can also *offer* them help, although, without oversight of a court, they cannot force medication or treatment on them. > Jeff, you can't just grab a homeless person and throw > them in the nut house for being homeless. Of course not. However, if the person is a threat to himself or someone else, you can take him in for evaluation. ================================ dbu doesn't read and he's proud of it, but since it costs nothing to post a link..... http://psychservices.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/54/6/804 In article <137874d2-1baf-4ad3-8b23-8ee2591ab306@g6g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>, > > In article > > <e4b09718-b544-478b-8494-053833818...@h30g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > They can also *offer* them help, although, without oversight of a > court, they cannot force medication or treatment on them. But jeff, you just can't haul a homeless person in for even an evaluation if you have nothing to evaluate for. You must have something the person did to have just cause to evaluate This is still a free country jeff, I think. Under the democrats and obama I'm not so sure though. > > Jeff, you can't just grab a homeless person and throw > > them in the nut house for being homeless. > > Of course not. However, if the person is a threat to himself or > someone else, you can take him in for evaluation. So how is it determined if the above applies to A homeless person? > > Because we have twice as many people on earth as we had 40 years ago > > the incidence of this type of behavior will become more evident. > > Wrong. Because 40 years ago, a larger proportion of people with > schizophrenia were either locked up or getting treatment. Could you direct me to some solid stats on that? > Unfortunately, today, far too many people with schizophrenia and other > mental illness go untreated and are homeless. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > What makes you assume I'm not use to it? Because you complain about homeless people while you ride the subway. > Jeff > > > -- -- >> > Because we have twice as many people on earth as we had 40 years ago >> > the incidence of this type of behavior will become more evident. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Could you direct me to some solid stats on that? You just gave yet another example of how little you read and how lousy your news sources are. If you read a source which contained more than just a half dozen headlines, some comics and a few Denny's coupons, you wouldn't be asking for more stats. Try reading the news source you've been told to hate. You'll look smarter. > >> > Because we have twice as many people on earth as we had 40 years ago > >> > the incidence of this type of behavior will become more evident. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Try reading the news source you've been told to hate. You'll look smarter. Thankyou jeff for that insight. -- >> >> > Because we have twice as many people on earth as we had 40 years ago >> >> > the incidence of this type of behavior will become more evident. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Thankyou jeff for that insight. We know that you're over 50 years old, at least. Let's assume you didn't care enough to read newspapers until you were 20, just to pick a number. That means you've had 30 years to accidentally stumble over the kind of information which proves that Jeff is correct. You turn the page and SURPRISE - there's an article. Maybe you read it. Maybe you don't. So tell me: What the hell have you been doing for at least 30 years? > >> >> > Because we have twice as many people on earth as we had 40 years ago > >> >> > the incidence of this type of behavior will become more evident. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > So tell me: What the hell have you been doing for at least 30 years? Do you have a woman tonight or are you still looking? -- >> >> >> > Because we have twice as many people on earth as we had 40 years >> >> >> > ago [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Do you have a woman tonight or are you still looking? What have you been doing for the past 30 years? > >> >> >> > Because we have twice as many people on earth as we had 40 years > >> >> >> > ago [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > What have you been doing for the past 30 years? I didn't think so. Keep looking, eventually you'll find one that will tolerate you and your quirks, LOL. -- > On Jul 27, 1:54 pm, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > If you don't understand that, you're sorry. What if the victim was your wife, rather than her baby? Let's see you spew that bullshit then. >>>What possible good cause can come out of her continued existense? >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Let's see you spew that bullshit then. It befuddles me how one can take the side of the perpetrator and completely disregard the victim. >>>> What possible good cause can come out of her continued existense? >>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > It befuddles me how one can take the side of the perpetrator and > completely disregard the victim. It just takes being the "sensitive" and "enlightened" type. Read that "emasculated". On Jul 27, 1:54 pm, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com> wrote: > Jeff wrote: > >On Jul 27, 1:30 pm, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com> [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > What possible good cause can come out of her continued existense? She has intrinsic worth as a human being. ================ She HAD worth. She has given it up. >> Really? The same kind of sympathy and help the baby received? >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > If you don't understand that, you're sorry. Hitler was a human being, too. So was Mussolini, and the people that killed the Czar's family. What is their worth? Oh, and screw Godwin... >>> Really? The same kind of sympathy and help the baby received? >>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Oh, and screw Godwin... I'm beginning to think that if Jeff found an intruder in his home in the middle of the night, he'd ask him to sit down for some hot cocoa while waiting for the cops to show up. Can't shoot the intruder. He's a human being. >> Hitler was a human being, too. So was Mussolini, and the people that >> killed the Czar's family. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > waiting for the cops to show up. Can't shoot the intruder. He's a human > being. Leaves an interesting quandry... If the situation had been kidnapping...rape...murder, the first thought I have is Electric Chair. esp Ol Sparky in Florida... http://symonsez.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/sparky.jpg It was the sole means of execution in Florida from 1924 until 2000. It was notorious for malfunctioning in its final years, namely in the cases of Jesse Tafero (executed May 4, 1990), Pedro Medina (executed March 25, 1997), and Allen Lee Davis (executed July 8, 1999). Reportedly flames shot out of the convicts' heads during the execution of Tafero and Medina, raising the question whether use of the electric chair was cruel and unusual punishment. After the Medina execution, then Florida Attorney General Bob Butterworth commented, "People who wish to commit murder, they'd better not do it in the state of Florida because we may have a problem with the electric chair. But then, I realize two things: 1. It can be cruel and unusual punishment. In the case of the guy in Florida who raped and murdered a 12 year old girl, maybe it's warranted, but then... 2. The remaining Liberal in me says, no, we don't kill people for punishment. For some of them, it's the easy way out, like Suicide by Cop. So, let them rot in jail. Forever. If they go into Gen Pop, they run the risk of being beaten or otherwise brutalized. If they don't want to take that chance, there's alway Solitary Confinement. 23 hours a day in a cell, one hour 'rec time' all by yourself, no tv. You can have a radio, book, magazines. Imagine that for the rest of your life... I'd choose Old Sparky... > On Jul 27, 1:54 pm, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > Jeff Intrinsic value? What a f.cking, colossal pile of f.cking LIEbrawl bullshit. > > On Jul 27, 1:54 pm, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > Intrinsic value? What a f.cking, colossal pile of f.cking LIEbrawl bullshit. Try looking up the Terri Schiavo case in Florida. President Bush wanted to keep her alive because of her intrinsic value as a person. This is actually a conservative position. And one consistant with Christianity, too. Remember how J.C. used to visit people in jail? Jeff In article <2c465a0c-9cd9-4294-b10f-25aad5b65f76@18g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, > > > On Jul 27, 1:54 pm, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > > Jeff Who wanted to keep her alive? -- > In article > <2c465a0c-9cd9-4294-b10f-25aad5b65f76@18g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > > Who wanted to keep her alive? You can't be serious with that last question. On Jul 28, 8:36 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...@frontiernet.net> wrote: > > In article > > <2c465a0c-9cd9-4294-b10f-25aad5b65...@18g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > > You can't be serious with that last question. Are you making an assumption that dbu has a clue? On Jul 28, 8:36 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...@frontiernet.net> wrote: > "dbu''" <nos...@nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 81 lines] > > You can't be serious with that last question. Are you making an assumption that dbu has a clue? ================== I'm hopelessly optimistic sometimes. In article <cb9b5c4b-d7ec-4a90-a5ef-58f6f3748617@24g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, > On Jul 28, 8:36 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...@frontiernet.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 78 lines] > > Are you making an assumption that dbu has a clue? You're being naughty jeff, shame. -- > In article > <2c465a0c-9cd9-4294-b10f-25aad5b65...@18g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > Who wanted to keep her alive? > -- President Bush: "In cases like this one, where there are serious questions and substantial doubts, our society, our laws, and our courts should have a presumption in favor of life. This presumption is especially critical for those like Terri Schiavo, who live at the mercy of others." BTW, there was very little doubt that Terri Schiavo could have had a life had her body continued. Her autopsy and tests while her body was still alive confirm this. Jeff > BTW, there was very little doubt that Terri Schiavo could have had a > life had her body continued. Her autopsy and tests while her body was > still alive confirm this. Is that the same Terri Schiavo who was starved to death over nearly a week while her parents begged for her life and her two-timing husband sneered? On Jul 28, 11:07 am, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com> wrote: > > BTW, there was very little doubt that Terri Schiavo could have had a > > life had her body continued. Her autopsy and tests while her body was [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > week while her parents begged for her life and her two-timing husband > sneered? I don't recall her husband sneering at all. He was acting her best interests and carrying our her wishes. Jeff On Jul 27, 1:30 pm, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com> wrote: > What do you think they should do with this woman? > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D99MU3481&show_article=1 It should be determined: 1) If she is guilty, and, 2) If she is mentally ill. If she is mentally ill, I believe she deserves our sympathy and help, not our wrath. Of COURSE she'e mentally ill, and if her attorney does not raise the issue, it's grounds for appeal due to incompetent representation. Nobody in their right mind would cut off their kid's head and use it as a bowl for the brain. > On Jul 27, 1:30 pm, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Jeff And a rubber cell... > On Jul 27, 1:30 pm, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Jeff If she is mentally ill, she should be locked up in a mental institution. If not, a penitentiary. > > On Jul 27, 1:30 pm, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > If she is mentally ill, she should be locked up in a mental institution. If > not, a penitentiary. Why should she be locked up in a mental institution if, with proper treatment, she can return to life outside a mental institution? Jeff >> "Jeff" <jeff....@gmail.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > >Jeff [shaking head in disbelief] Would you have said the same of Jeffrey Dahmer? On Jul 31, 11:32 am, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> "Jeff" <jeff....@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > Would you have said the same ofJeffreyDahmer? Depends on the circumstances of Dahmer. If he was not able to control himself, but he is a continuing threat, then he should be locked up. Jeff >On Jul 31, 11:32 am, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com> >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] >Depends on the circumstances of Dahmer. If he was not able to control >himself, but he is a continuing threat, then he should be locked up. I believe you are well-meaning but incredibly naive. Once someone has stepped over the line they will continue to be a threat to society or society will be a threat to them. The idea of a mother chewing off the toes of her newborn, ripping off its face, and eating its brains will not sit well with anyone who knows they are in their neighborhood. A registered sex offender will have a better chance of being welcomed. There is no doubt this woman was incredibly deranged and unfortunately took it out on her baby. Children have no justice or protection for some reason in most societies today and ours is amongst the worse in my opinion. We afford more rights to child abusers than we do the victims and that doesn't seem right to me. In this case the woman perpetrated an incredibly heinous crime and has given up all rights to be considered a human being. She probably even _wants_ to be executed at this point. On Jul 31, 10:12 am, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com> wrote: > >On Jul 31, 11:32 am, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com> > >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] > considered a human being. She probably even _wants_ to be executed at > this point. Gee, you don't know what happened, what her mental state was and is or what she wants. When other people in this thread make positive comments, I will respond. However, the comments in this thread are not worth my time. Jeff On Jul 28, 2:28 am, "Sharx35" <shar...@hotmail.com> wrote: > "Jeff" <jeff....@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > If > not, a penitentiary. Why should she be locked up in a mental institution if, with proper treatment, she can return to life outside a mental institution? Jeff ================== Because regardless of the reason for her mind working the way it did, her body still did the crime (assuming she's found guilty). We lock up people who commit murder. Some get prison, while others get a different arrangement. Got it? The body did the crime. The body gets locked up. On Jul 31, 11:35 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...@frontiernet.net> wrote: > On Jul 28, 2:28 am, "Sharx35" <shar...@hotmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > > Got it? The body did the crime. The body gets locked up. No, I don't get it. If she was not capable of controlling herself and was not aware of what was happening, I don't see how anyone benefits from her being locked up. IMHO, your view is stupid and mean-spirited. I don't see why we (i.e., the taxpayer) will benefit from this. Jeff On Jul 31, 11:35 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...@frontiernet.net> wrote: > "Jeff" <jeff....@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > > Got it? The body did the crime. The body gets locked up. No, I don't get it. If she was not capable of controlling herself and was not aware of what was happening, I don't see how anyone benefits from her being locked up. IMHO, your view is stupid and mean-spirited. I don't see why we (i.e., the taxpayer) will benefit from this. Jeff ================ You must be very young, Jeff. Otherwise, you'd know that the types of meds needed to control someone that crazy are not dependable enough to allow such a person to be out in public. Furthermore, the LAW says we lock up the body. If you don't like the LAW, start a movement to have it changed. On Jul 31, 12:11 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...@frontiernet.net> wrote: > On Jul 31, 11:35 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...@frontiernet.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 78 lines] > a person to be out in public. Furthermore, the LAW says we lock up the body. > If you don't like the LAW, start a movement to have it changed. As a physician, I believe your statements are untrue. First, we don't know if or what type of mental illness or other problem the woman has. Second, for many types of mental, the illness can be controlled with medication and other treatment. While the law in many cases says lock up the body (depends on the state), that doesn't mean the law is correct. Jeff On Jul 31, 12:11 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...@frontiernet.net> wrote: > "Jeff" <jeff....@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 90 lines] > body. > If you don't like the LAW, start a movement to have it changed. As a physician, I believe your statements are untrue. First, we don't know if or what type of mental illness or other problem the woman has. Second, for many types of mental, the illness can be controlled with medication and other treatment. While the law in many cases says lock up the body (depends on the state), that doesn't mean the law is correct. Jeff ============ Are you still a practicing physician? What is/was your area of specialization? On Jul 31, 9:29 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...@frontiernet.net> wrote: > On Jul 31, 12:11 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...@frontiernet.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 108 lines] > Are you still a practicing physician? What is/was your area of > specialization? Pediatrics. I have changed careers and am now a teacher in NYC. In the last year, I have also taught in PA. MA and NJ, too. I have done graduate level work in neuroscience. Jeff On Jul 31, 9:29 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...@frontiernet.net> wrote: > "Jeff" <jeff....@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 115 lines] > Are you still a practicing physician? What is/was your area of > specialization? Pediatrics. I have changed careers and am now a teacher in NYC. In the last year, I have also taught in PA. MA and NJ, too. I have done graduate level work in neuroscience. Jeff =================== Thank you for your response. I'd strongly suggest that you spend some time talking with a nurse who's spent lots of time actually working with psychiatric patients - the kind who aren't allowed out of their rooms without two very muscular escorts. Not a doctor. A nurse. On Jul 31, 9:43 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...@frontiernet.net> wrote: > On Jul 31, 9:29 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...@frontiernet.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 133 lines] > > Not a doctor. A nurse. Whatever. The fact is that we don't know what happened, what problems the lady had or what her prognosis is. To condemn her to jail is inhumane and stupid, IMHO. Unless you have something positive to add to this, I won't be wasting my time responding to you again. Jeff How long were you a practicing physician, and why did you leave the job? > What do you think they should do with this woman? > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D99MU3481&show_article=1 This woman is obviously a zombie. Note 1. eats brains 2. stab wounds failed to kill her. As we all know, the only way to deal with zombies is to bash their head in. On Jul 27, 1:30 pm, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com> wrote: > What do you think they should do with this woman? > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D99MU3481&show_article=1 Hey, this reminds me.... To add to your question about appropriate punishment, let's ask the same question, but with one of the facts changed, just for fun: What if the woman was otherwise sane and by all accounts a great parent, and this happened after someone slipped a strange, powerful hallucinogen into her drink at a local restaurant. Punishments for those involved? > On Jul 27, 1:30 pm, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Punishments for those involved? If she were a great parent, would she be drinking, especially while breast feeding (you did say she was a great parent). Jeff > > On Jul 27, 1:30 pm, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Jeff Whoops. I did say I was going to change *one* of the facts. Scratch that. But as far as my question goes, we could just as easily pretend the entire situation I described is hypothetical (and I wish it was). What do you think the punishments should be for those in my hypothetical example? On Jul 27, 2:38 pm, matrixxxx09 <matrixxx...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 27, 1:30 pm, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Punishments for those involved? If she were a great parent, would she be drinking, especially while breast feeding (you did say she was a great parent). Jeff ============= I saw nothing in matrix's post which indicated that in the hypothetical situation, the woman was drinking alcohol. Please explain how you went from iced tea to booze. > On Jul 27, 2:38 pm, matrixxxx09 <matrixxx...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Jul 27, 1:30 pm, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com> [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > situation, the woman was drinking alcohol. Please explain how you went from > iced tea to booze. Long Island Ice Tea, read between the lines. And what if the devil did tell her to do it? Let's hear it from you God people. Is there or isn't there a devil? Could he or probably a she, appeared and told her to do it? If so a church ought to be able to fix her right up, a little exorcisming here and there and she will be good as new. >And what if the devil did tell her to do it? Let's hear it from you >God people. Is there or isn't there a devil? Could he or probably a >she, appeared and told her to do it? If so a church ought to be able >to fix her right up, a little exorcisming here and there and she >will be good as new. Follow up articles make it clear she was under the "care" of a psychiatrist. Don't try to place blame on the church for this. On Jul 27, 2:49 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...@frontiernet.net> wrote: > On Jul 27, 2:38 pm, matrixxxx09 <matrixxx...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > situation, the woman was drinking alcohol. Please explain how you went from > iced tea to booze. Iced tea? You mean with theophyline or caffeine? Where does it say that? Are you sure that that's a good idea for the nursing baby? Besides, it said drink. If non-alcoholic drink were meant, it would have said it. And should they have been at a restaurant, instead of eating at home, especially with H1N1 influenza going around this summer? Besides, if someone put a drug into her drink without her knowledge, then that person would be responsible for the side effects of that drug. jeff On Jul 27, 2:49 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...@frontiernet.net> wrote: > "Jeff" <jeff....@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > from > iced tea to booze. Iced tea? You mean with theophyline or caffeine? Where does it say that? Are you sure that that's a good idea for the nursing baby? Besides, it said drink. If non-alcoholic drink were meant, it would have said it. And should they have been at a restaurant, instead of eating at home, especially with H1N1 influenza going around this summer? Besides, if someone put a drug into her drink without her knowledge, then that person would be responsible for the side effects of that drug. jeff ================== Matrix simply said "drink". You are behaving like dbu and the Hack, making a lame attempt to patch up your bad assumption, an assumption which was made to satisfy your personal need to make the discussion go your way. Stop. This is not like you. > Matrix simply said "drink". You are behaving like dbu and the Hack, making a > lame attempt to patch up your bad assumption I never have to patch up a bad assumption. I always make the correct assumption. You just have a case of anal-optical nerve attachment, meaning all you can see is sh.t. > On Jul 27, 1:30 pm, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Punishments for those involved? Probation for the women, provided she gets counselling all the while, for a period of at least 5 years. 7 year jail sentences for the people slipping the drug into her drink, and 10 years probation afterward. > What do you think they should do with this woman? > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D99MU3481&show_article=1 She belongs in the nut-house. Lock her up to protect the public, herself and any family she might have left. Under proper care she might come back, but it's doubtful. -- > In article <xn0gd5m1c38596...@reader.albasani.net>, > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > come back, but it's doubtful. > -- I find your judgment of her without knowing all the facts sad. On Jul 27, 3:44 pm, dbu' <nos...@nobama.com.invalid> wrote: > In article <xn0gd5m1c38596...@reader.albasani.net>, > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > come back, but it's doubtful. > -- I find your judgment of her without knowing all the facts sad. ==================== Hypothetically speaking, what sorts of missing facts might provide any positive balance for what she allegedly did? Did volunteer work at an animal shelter? Baked cookies for the PTA? On Jul 27, 4:04 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...@frontiernet.net> wrote: > On Jul 27, 3:44 pm, dbu' <nos...@nobama.com.invalid> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > positive balance for what she allegedly did? Did volunteer work at an animal > shelter? Baked cookies for the PTA? Key word: Allegedly. Does she have schizophrenia? Did she have a stroke or other neurological problem? Was given drugs or taken toxins without her knowledge? Did someone else kill the kid while she was drugged, and she thought she did it? From the report, it sounds like she had some sort of hallucination. Why? I don't know. I am unwilling to judge her until the facts are in. Jeff On Jul 27, 4:04 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...@frontiernet.net> wrote: > "Jeff" <jeff....@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > animal > shelter? Baked cookies for the PTA? Key word: Allegedly. Does she have schizophrenia? Did she have a stroke or other neurological problem? Was given drugs or taken toxins without her knowledge? Did someone else kill the kid while she was drugged, and she thought she did it? From the report, it sounds like she had some sort of hallucination. Why? I don't know. I am unwilling to judge her until the facts are in. Jeff ============= You're writhing, Jeff. The entire discussion is based on a hypothetical situation: She's found guilty. Run with that idea. >> In article <xn0gd5m1c38596...@reader.albasani.net>, >> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > I find your judgment of her without knowing all the facts sad. And I find you to be a certifiable loon. > >> In article <xn0gd5m1c38596...@reader.albasani.net>, > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > And I find you to be a certifiable loon. You might want to call the local police and have me locked up. In PA, someone can be locked up in a mental ward for up to 72 hours for observation. I don't know the laws where I live. jeff >>> I find your judgment of her without knowing all the facts sad. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > someone can be locked up in a mental ward for up to 72 hours for > observation. I don't know the laws where I live. It'd be more fun to watch you implode. In article <71813a3b-2bec-476b-9ff7-900bacafc6d6@26g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>, > > In article <xn0gd5m1c38596...@reader.albasani.net>, > > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > I find your judgment of her without knowing all the facts sad. Surely, you would not want her walking the streets??? -- > In article > <71813a3b-2bec-476b-9ff7-900bacafc...@26g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > Surely, you would not want her walking the streets??? > -- At this point in time, no. However, once it is clearer what happened, and she recieved appropriate evaluation and phelp, yes, I do want her out of jail and in the community, while receiving whatever help is appropriate. I see a lot of people in NYC who need help but aren't getting it. They are often the homeless people, sometimes carrying on an animated conversion - only the person is in their head. Jeff > What do you think they should do with this woman? > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D99MU3481&show_article=1 I see a straight jacket and a rubber room in her future. If the needle fits... > What do you think they should do with this woman? > > --------------------- Nothing. It's merely a post-birth abortion, and the Administration is good with that. >> What do you think they should do with this woman? >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > It's merely a post-birth abortion, and the Administration is good with that. Chop-Chop... > What do you think they should do with this woman? > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D99MU3481&show_article=1 I guess to make this post appropriate, she was transported to jail in a Toyota. >> What do you think they should do with this woman? >> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > I guess to make this post appropriate, she was transported to jail in a > Toyota. 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