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My new teen driver took my car out yesterday. He ended up leaving the emergency brake on for a 30 minute drive. There was smoke coming from the car that other drivers were pointing out to him, but he did not stop. I have to take the car in today. What can I expect the damage to be? Thank you for your help. wml2005, 5/26/2005, 12:29:53 PM, <a2aac8b120aaf8bf2d08aac280ccb79a@localhost.talkaboutautos.com> wrote: > My new teen driver took my car out yesterday. He ended up leaving the > emergency brake on for a 30 minute drive. There was smoke coming from > the car that other drivers were pointing out to him, but he did not > stop. I have to take the car in today. What can I expect the damage > to be? Thank you for your help. Except for the mechanical parts, probably your boy's pride.  SignatureNo matter what happens, someone will find a way to take it too seriously. You dont say what car this emergency brake is on ! I have never seen a car with such a brake only on a train so how does it work ? Steve > My new teen driver took my car out yesterday. He ended up leaving the > emergency brake on for a 30 minute drive. There was smoke coming from the > car that other drivers were pointing out to him, but he did not stop. I > have to take the car in today. What can I expect the damage to be? Thank > you for your help. > I have never seen a car with such a brake only on a train so how > does it work ? In case this isn't a troll, the OP meant "parking brake". So why did he not say that ! And what is a Troll ? > > I have never seen a car with such a brake only on a train so how > > does it work ? > > In case this isn't a troll, the OP meant "parking brake". > And what is a Troll ? New to usenet, are we? http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile/anti_troll_faq.htm What is "Usenet" ? And as far as Troll is, now reading your link I see that fits you down to a tee "The old definition of a Troll is one who posts to generate the maximum number of follow ups. These are a very minor irritation, and can be considered to be advantageous to newsgroups." Don't you think !!!! > > And what is a Troll ? > > New to usenet, are we? > http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile/anti_troll_faq.htm Anyone who does not agree with the person that called the other a troll, it seems LOL mike hunt > > And what is a Troll ? > > New to usenet, are we? > http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile/anti_troll_faq.htm > So why did he not say that ! > > And what is a Troll ? Why, isn't that the critter that asked the three Billy Goats Gruff, "who's that trip-trapping on my bridge?" SignatureTeGGeR® Just past "smart a.s" and "pedantic a.shole" on the Usenet annoyance scale. Leonard > So why did he not say that ! > > And what is a Troll ? The car is a Toyota Corolla. And you're right. It's the parking brake. Not the emergency brake. >The car is a Toyota Corolla. And you're right. It's the parking brake. Not >the emergency bra Which can be used as an emergency brake, therefore doubles as an emergency brake therefore can be called an emergency brake...anyone here wish to bet me 1000 USD that it cannot?!?... Signature-Gord. "I'm trying to get as old as I can, and it must be working 'cause I'm the oldest now that I've ever been" >>The car is a Toyota Corolla. And you're right. It's the parking brake. Not >>the emergency bra > > Which can be used as an emergency brake, therefore doubles as an > emergency brake therefore can be called an emergency > brake...anyone here wish to bet me 1000 USD that it cannot?!?... Anything could be used in an emergency, whether it works or not is another thing... For example, when they realize that the car in front is stopped and they're running out of room, most people will yell %#%*^&$ right before they rear end the car. It is an emergency utterance but not very effective :-o By the way, I'm sure the reason the cable-operated braked is called a parking brake is so that someone doesn't try to claim that the emergency brakes didn't work in an emergency. SignatureRay O correct the return address punctuation to reply >>>The car is a Toyota Corolla. And you're right. It's the parking brake. Not >>>the emergency bra [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >parking brake is so that someone doesn't try to claim that the emergency >brakes didn't work in an emergency. You can bet the fawm on thatn... Signature-Gord. "I'm trying to get as old as I can, and it must be working 'cause I'm the oldest now that I've ever been" >>>The car is a Toyota Corolla. And you're right. It's the parking >>>brake. Not the emergency bra [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > parking brake is so that someone doesn't try to claim that the > emergency brakes didn't work in an emergency. On that note I consult the various manuals I've got in my bookshelves. Most make no mention of the parking brake at all, but aha! My 1960 VW factory manual calls it a HAND brake. The 1970 Ford factory manual calls it a PARKING brake. Chilton Chevy-II manual calls it a PARKING brake. Chilton Mazda 1971-1980 manual calls it a PARKING brake. Sheer force of numbers conquers all. Parking brake it is. "Hand brake" can be a secondary term. SignatureTeGGeR® >>>>The car is a Toyota Corolla. And you're right. It's the parking >>>>brake. Not the emergency bra [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >Sheer force of numbers conquers all. Parking brake it is. "Hand brake" can >be a secondary term. Quite significant indeedy... (if Scott can have a new word then so can I - and mine's much more couth than his'n - significantly couther) Signature-Gord. "I'm trying to get as old as I can, and it must be working 'cause I'm the oldest now that I've ever been" >Quite significant indeedy... > >(if Scott can have a new word then so can I - and mine's much >more couth than his'n - significantly couther) But the person I use my new word on deserves it...and MORE ;-) SignatureScott in Florida >>Quite significant indeedy... >> >>(if Scott can have a new word then so can I - and mine's much >>more couth than his'n - significantly couther) > >But the person I use my new word on deserves it...and MORE ;-) Deserves it more significantly you mean?... :) Signature-Gord. "I'm trying to get as old as I can, and it must be working 'cause I'm the oldest now that I've ever been" >>>Quite significant indeedy... >>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Deserves it more significantly you mean?... :) That too.... SignatureScott in Florida [snip] >> By the way, I'm sure the reason the cable-operated braked is called a >> parking brake is so that someone doesn't try to claim that the [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >Sheer force of numbers conquers all. Parking brake it is. "Hand brake" can >be a secondary term. And use of the "hand brake" to facilitate a spinout is called "E-Braking". ;-) ... >And use of the "hand brake" to facilitate a spinout is called >"E-Braking". > >;-) More accurate if they used P-braking? :) Signature-Gord. "I'm trying to get as old as I can, and it must be working 'cause I'm the oldest now that I've ever been" > [snip] >>> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > ;-) Aren't those called bootleg turns? - very difficult to do in a Sequoia with VSC SignatureRay O correct the return address punctuation to reply >>>>The car is a Toyota Corolla. And you're right. It's the parking >>>>brake. Not the emergency bra [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > Sheer force of numbers conquers all. Parking brake it is. "Hand brake" can > be a secondary term. The Japanese term for a parking brake is "hand brake," most likely from the European term. I noticed that people in Japan set the hand brake when stopped pointing uphill in a vehicle with a manual transmission and then release the hand brake as they engage the clutch when starting. This would not be doable with a foot-operated parking brake. When I lived in San Francisco, I just let the car in front get a bout a car's length head start and then popped the clutch and took off. SignatureRay O correct the return address punctuation to reply "Emergency Brake" is a term that dates back to when cars and trucks had a band type drum brake on the driveshaft mounted to the transmission tailshaft housing ... quite separate for the drum service brakes at the wheels. > You dont say what car this emergency brake is on ! > > I have never seen a car with such a brake only on a train so how > does it work ? > > Steve > "Emergency Brake" is a term that dates back to when cars and trucks had a > band type drum brake on the driveshaft mounted to the transmission tailshaft [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > > > Steve I've seen this used in Lull forklifts, except they were disk type brakes on the drive line. They seem to work quite well in that application. Signature>"Emergency Brake" is a term that dates back to when cars and trucks had a >band type drum brake on the driveshaft mounted to the transmission tailshaft >housing ... quite separate for the drum service brakes at the wheels. Quite likely true Philip, but why is this data significant? Signature-Gord. "I'm trying to get as old as I can, and it must be working 'cause I'm the oldest now that I've ever been" >> "Emergency Brake" is a term that dates back to when cars and trucks >> had a band type drum brake on the driveshaft mounted to the >> transmission tailshaft housing ... quite separate for the drum >> service brakes at the wheels. >> > Quite likely true Philip, but why is this data significant? Title of this thread is ... Oh Gord, do keep up! > "Emergency Brake" is a term that dates back to when cars and trucks > had a band type drum brake on the driveshaft mounted to the > transmission tailshaft housing ... quite separate for the drum service > brakes at the wheels. Yes, but wasn't that the predecessor to the rear-drum parking brake? SignatureTeGGeR® >> "Emergency Brake" is a term that dates back to when cars and trucks >> had a band type drum brake on the driveshaft mounted to the >> transmission tailshaft housing ... quite separate for the drum >> service brakes at the wheels. > > Yes, but wasn't that the predecessor to the rear-drum parking brake? yes > You dont say what car this emergency brake is on ! > > I have never seen a car with such a brake only on a train so how does it > work ? > > Steve Steve, if your parking brake fails while coming to a stop, will you use it for an "emergency brake"? OK, so its also an emergency brake! > My new teen driver took my car out yesterday. He ended up leaving the > emergency brake on for a 30 minute drive. There was smoke coming from the > car that other drivers were pointing out to him, but he did not stop. I > have to take the car in today. What can I expect the damage to be? Thank > you for your help. First of all, passenger cars are equipped with parking brakes, not emergency brakes. To answer your question, it depends on the vehicle and type of parking brake system. Toyota uses 3 types of parking brakes and the damage will depend on the type. On vehicles with drum brakes, the brake linings will be worn and drums may be warped or worn. On vehicles with rear disc brakes with a parking brake that uses the brake caliper, the brake pads and rotor may be worn. On vehicles with rear disc brakes with an auxiliary drum parking brake, the parking brake linings and rotor may be worn. SignatureRay O correct the return address punctuation to reply Thank you so much for your answer. It was very helpful. > First of all, passenger cars are equipped with parking brakes, not emergency > brakes. In the UK all parking brakes are referred to (in MOT places etc) as the emergency brake, as that is technically what it is supposed to be for (as well as parking). Auto-boxed cars have one still despite being able to be put into 'park' - hence its not really a parking brake IMO, just an emergency brake used for parking too. That said, using my cars handbrake to stop in an emergency would be a scary experience. J Badly worn brake shoes. Possibly, badly worn brake drums. You need to spend more time in the car with your teen if he or she is driving around with the parking brake on. > My new teen driver took my car out yesterday. He ended up leaving the > emergency brake on for a 30 minute drive. There was smoke coming from the > car that other drivers were pointing out to him, but he did not stop. I > have to take the car in today. What can I expect the damage to be? Thank > you for your help. >> My new teen driver took my car out yesterday. He ended up leaving the >> emergency brake on for a 30 minute drive. There was smoke coming from the >> car that other drivers were pointing out to him, but he did not stop. I >> have to take the car in today. What can I expect the damage to be? Thank >> you for your help. >Badly worn brake shoes. Possibly, badly worn brake drums. > >You need to spend more time in the car with your teen if he or she is >driving around with the parking brake on. I'm surprised that the car took off with the parking brake on....... Doesn't say much for the brakes! David > I'm surprised that the car took off with the parking brake on....... > > Doesn't say much for the brakes! I've seen this before. The driver will come back complaining of very poor response and low power from the car, accompanied by a burning smell when stopped. Even though the dash light is on, it doesn't get noticed because an amazing number of people do not look at their dashboards. SignatureTeGGeR® >> I'm surprised that the car took off with the parking brake on....... >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > amazing > number of people do not look at their dashboards. Like the poster here who had the oil light on for something like 6 months and complaining that the car was sludged! SignatureRay O correct the return address punctuation to reply> >>> I'm surprised that the car took off with the parking brake on....... >>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Like the poster here who had the oil light on for something like 6 months > and complaining that the car was sludged! Being an old timer, it was called an emergency brake a long time before it was ever called a parking brake. I still call it an emergency brake knowing full well it's a parking brake. I would hate to depend on it in an emergency, as it will barely stop you going 10 MPH. I would guess that in the days when a leak from a bad fitting or hose would empty the entire braking system, "emergency" brake would have applied. As someone who had that happen at work once and drove a few blocks back to the garage at a low enough speed for the hand brake to actually work, I can attest that hazard flashers are aptly named too. Pat >>>> I'm surprised that the car took off with the parking brake on....... >>>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >full well it's a parking brake. I would hate to depend on it in an >emergency, as it will barely stop you going 10 MPH. Beats just screaming #$%^& at least... Signature-Gord. "I'm trying to get as old as I can, and it must be working 'cause I'm the oldest now that I've ever been" >>>> I'm surprised that the car took off with the parking brake on....... >>>> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > knowing full well it's a parking brake. I would hate to depend on it in > an emergency, as it will barely stop you going 10 MPH. That's cuz I haven't worked on your parking brakes. I can get rear drums to lock up at 30 mph. SignatureRay O correct the return address punctuation to reply <snip> >> Being an old timer, it was called an emergency brake a long time before it >> was ever called a parking brake. I still call it an emergency brake [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >That's cuz I haven't worked on your parking brakes. I can get rear drums to >lock up at 30 mph. So can I! And with the low revs normally used for moving off, there's hardly any power being generated at that time by the engine. A properly set hand (or foot) brake should easily win against the engine. David cut >That's cuz I haven't worked on your parking brakes. I can get rear drums to >lock up at 30 mph. Does speed have any bearing on it Ray?... Signature-Gord. "I'm trying to get as old as I can, and it must be working 'cause I'm the oldest now that I've ever been" > >> My new teen driver took my car out yesterday. He ended up leaving the > >> emergency brake on for a 30 minute drive. There was smoke coming from the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Doesn't say much for the brakes! Not entirely true, it says that whomever set the brake did not set it well. My wife is famous at my house for not setting the brake enough to hold the car in place, but she sets it out of the OFF position and yanks it hard enough for the brakes to drag. The big red light on the dashboard should be a clue to any driver to be looking at something, and this is why the kid needs more supervision before going out on his own again. It looks like only one (RayO)of a dozen or so responses actually answered your question. I would think you will be buying drums or rotors along with shoes or pads, at least. I am going to guess you will be out about $350 at the dealer. Let us know. jor > My new teen driver took my car out yesterday. He ended up leaving the > emergency brake on for a 30 minute drive. There was smoke coming from the > car that other drivers were pointing out to him, but he did not stop. I > have to take the car in today. What can I expect the damage to be? Thank > you for your help. |
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