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1989 MR2 hesitates

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Kurt Fankhauser - 06 Jun 2005 18:01 GMT
I'm having a problem with my MR2 hesitating at low RPMs, such as when shifting
up while accelerating.  I've also noticed at times while idling that if the
accelerator is quickly (but not fully) depressed that the engine misses and
the RPMs goes down.  At higher RPMs it seems to have plenty of power and I
can't really detect missing.  It is the supercharged MK1 model with 82K miles.

The dealer charged $200(!) to replace the ignition wires which solved another
problem, but not the hesitation issue.  I've since replaced the plugs (NGK),
distributer cap and rotor.  I checked the timing and it appears okay. (Why
would timing ever have to be adjusted anyway if distributer is not replaced?)

Is there anything else I can easily check or replace?

I've been under the impression that the dealer is better qualified to work on
this engine than independent shops, but I'm not so sure anymore.

Kurt
Coyoteboy - 07 Jun 2005 12:02 GMT
Possibly an air leak?
Hachiroku - 07 Jun 2005 23:02 GMT
> Possibly an air leak?

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Look for leaks in the air tube from the
filter to the plenum. The MAF is metering the air from the airbox, and
extra air getting in the tube stumbles the engine.

Something else I found on my '85 Celica (2.4L 22RE) is that there is a
connector right at the entrance to the plenum. I patched my tube and it
ran well for a while, but after a time I tried to check the timing and it
kept moving. We replaced the engine with a truck 2.4; kept the same
intake, etc and it still does it. I found if I wiggle the wiring to this
connector the idle will smooth out without stumbling. I wonder what it
connects to?
Coyoteboy - 08 Jun 2005 11:35 GMT
Intake air temp?
Kurt Fankhauser - 08 Jun 2005 18:45 GMT
:> Possibly an air leak?

: Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Look for leaks in the air tube from the
: filter to the plenum. The MAF is metering the air from the airbox, and
: extra air getting in the tube stumbles the engine.

: Something else I found on my '85 Celica (2.4L 22RE) is that there is a
: connector right at the entrance to the plenum. I patched my tube and it
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: connector the idle will smooth out without stumbling. I wonder what it
: connects to?

You're talking about the tube from the air filter in the trunk and then
downstream from there?  How do I check for leaks?  Just visual inspection?

I'll have to look at the car because I can't remember, but isn't the air flow
meter (MAF? definition please) downstream of the filter?  It seems that you
would have to have a leak after the meter to effect the engine.

I'll also check the resistance of the ignition coil windings
Ray O - 08 Jun 2005 20:43 GMT
> :> Possibly an air leak?
>
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> You're talking about the tube from the air filter in the trunk and then
> downstream from there?  How do I check for leaks?  Just visual inspection?

The tube from the air filter to the intake can develop cracks, fixable with
duct tape.  If you can, remove the tube from the engine compartment and
check the entire length and circumference.

> I'll have to look at the car because I can't remember, but isn't the air
> flow
> meter (MAF? definition please) downstream of the filter?  It seems that
> you
> would have to have a leak after the meter to effect the engine.

MAF stands for Mass Air Flow.  The leaks generally occur between the air
flow meter and intake plenum.

I don't remember which type of air flow meter you have.  Earlier ones were a
hinged flap attached to a potentiometer.  As air flow increased, the flap
was opened more, and the more the flap opened, the more voltage was sent to
the Electronic Control Unit.  On this type, make sure the flap moves
smoothly.

Some air flow meters were basically a small mirror mounted on a wire that
was stretched across an opening.  An LED light was projected on the mirror
and as more and more air flowed past the mirror, it would oscillate more
quickly and the sensor picking up the reflection from the LED would know how
much air was going past the meter.

Yet another type is a hot wire.  A wire's resistance changes with
temperature, and as more air flows past the wire, it is cooled, changing its
resistance.  The meter measures the varying volage from the varying
resistance.

> I'll also check the resistance of the ignition coil windings

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Ray O
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hachiroku - 09 Jun 2005 01:24 GMT
> :> Possibly an air leak?
>
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> You're talking about the tube from the air filter in the trunk and then
> downstream from there?  How do I check for leaks?  Just visual inspection?

I didn't notice the leaks until I took it off and flexed it a little bit.
Then I found a bunch, in between the 'flutes'. I patched them with Duct
tape.

> I'll have to look at the car because I can't remember, but isn't the air flow
> meter (MAF? definition please) downstream of the filter?  It seems that you
> would have to have a leak after the meter to effect the engine.

The air filter is in it's little home, OK? Now right after the airbox you
will see a gadget that has a Toy P/N with a connector going to it. That's
the Mass Air Flow sensor. It meters the air from the filter to the engine,
through the tube. That's why, if there is a leak in the tube the engine
runs rough, because the engine is getting more air than the MAF is telling
the computer.

> I'll also check the resistance of the ignition coil windings

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Josh - 07 Jun 2005 20:30 GMT
> I'm having a problem with my MR2 hesitating at low RPMs, such as when shifting
> up while accelerating.  I've also noticed at times while idling that if the
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>
> Kurt

Kurt, 82K 89 MK1 SC..Care to sell it? =) Some shops wont want to work on a
rear engine car, but some will. I would not hesitate taking it to a local
garage. I would say that either its a Coil, bad ground or unlikely bad
injectors.

If you want more help try the MR2 Board

http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?FORM=MSNH&srch_type=0&q=MR2Board
 
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