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Car Forum / Toyota / Toyota Cars / August 2005Can't afford your gas?
You're not alone http://toccionline.kizash.com/films/1001/178/index.php Natalie, soooo glad to have 2 rice-burning cars  Signaturehttp://www.dwarfstar.net - the best internet relay chat network ever! "Wicked little doll, you are not human, Wicked little doll, you have no soul." (David Byrne, 1997) > You're not alone > > http://toccionline.kizash.com/films/1001/178/index.php > > Natalie, soooo glad to have 2 rice-burning cars My neighbor bought a Prius and I got to test drive it. The car is really nice to drive and roomy inside. Between my 2005 Sienna minivan (15.7 MPG) and my 4Runner (17.6MPG) they guzzle like crazy. So even rice burners can burn like crazy... but i guess as long as we keep paying these prices, they will keep going up... demand is up another 1% this month... > > You're not alone > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > burn like crazy... but i guess as long as we keep paying these prices, they > will keep going up... demand is up another 1% this month... Twenty or so years ago, they raised our real estate taxes sky high because they could. Here in California, we voted in Proposition 13, and that fixed that. Now they are raising our gas prices sky high because they can. I believe the Prius and its siblings will fix that. They say there's worldwide demand raising the price of gasoline. That's funny because it doesn't seem to have affected the price of gas in Caracas. http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/global_gasprices/ but it looks like other countries have been victims of the greed of the refineries and the politicians, too, so we can see what can (and probably will) happen if we do nothing. I'm going to do what I can, myself - - I drive 60 mph, and only use a few of the horses I paid for at the stop lights. My '02 Dodge Grand Caravan shows 36 MPG current reading on level freeway,and 24.8 MPG average reading in freeway and in-town driving, so it can be done without spending an extra $25K, when there are no van-type vehicles being fitted with full hybrid systems. When the hybrid van does appear, I will gladly trade in my fuel-injected V6 Dodge for one, and maybe if you help, too, we can get the price of gas down and prove that "they can't". > > You're not alone > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > burn like crazy... but i guess as long as we keep paying these prices, they > will keep going up... demand is up another 1% this month... How come you get only 16 on your Sienna? I get 20 in stop and go and 28 on a trip. Signature>> > You're not alone >> > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > How come you get only 16 on your Sienna? I get 20 in stop and go and 28 > on a trip. AWD gets you all the time... i get 23 on the Highway, but I do most driving in stop and go and its bad... really bad... > >> > You're not alone > >> > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > AWD gets you all the time... i get 23 on the Highway, but I do most driving > in stop and go and its bad... really bad... That explains it alright. Did you really need the AWD version? How do you like the run flat tires? Signature>> >> > You're not alone >> >> > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > That explains it alright. Did you really need the AWD version? How do > you like the run flat tires? I have no problems with the run flats.. as a matter of fact, a few weeks back I had a new roof put on the house, so the installers dropped a few nails that ended up in the Sienna... went to the dealer (running flat) and they fixed it with 20 minute wait... i heard the horror stories about new tires, etc, but found a source online for them for only $149 each... I wanted the AWD because I intend to tow my pontoon boat with this thing and its easier to use AWD when you are pulling it out of a slippery boat launch... plus i live in the snow belt, where the city doesnt believe in salting the streets, etc... but did i REALLY need it, probably not.. i actually went to get the honda odyssey that same day, but the dealer pissed me off, so i went to my toyota dealer and said give me a loaded Sienna with all the options... so i got the XLE with AWD, navigation, etc and I paid 36k for it... comparable Odyssey was 42k and the dealer said he was doing me a favor by not charging above MSRP... > >> >> > You're not alone > >> >> > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > was 42k and the dealer said he was doing me a favor by not charging above > MSRP... Don't you just love dealers who do us favors like that. I live in snow country too, but I have no heavy load to haul and don't have a steep driveway so I never considered the AWD. I have a friend who does have a steep driveway and he traded his 05 Sienna in for a Honda Pilot, which has better clearance and four wheel drive, plus it'll tow more weight. Mine will be here for several more years. So far it's been very reliable, quiet, smooth ride and responsive, plus my Toyota dealer is only about 4 miles away and is pretty easy work with. I've only had it back for the radiator recall and oil changes. Two years old next month. Signature>because I intend to tow my pontoon boat with this thing and >its easier to use AWD when you are pulling it out of a slippery boat >launch... You would have been amused at watching me try to pull my sailboat out of the water in Corpus Christi TX many many moons ago in my 64.5 Mustang... I had to get someone in a jeep to pull me and the boat out....LOL ....and NO I didn't slip into the water....but the only reason was....I had good brakes that locked the front wheels till a kind soul rescued me. That person got a six pack of 'Lone Star' for his trouble... SignatureScott in Florida "A Democratic shift to the right risks inflaming the party's Angry Left base, while a shift to the left would surely cost the party whatever support it has left from normal people." JAMES TARANTO Wall Street Journal >>because I intend to tow my pontoon boat with this thing and >>its easier to use AWD when you are pulling it out of a slippery boat [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > rescued me. That person got a six pack of 'Lone Star' for his > trouble... At least you didn't offer him Pearl Beer . . . . <g> Might have thrown you back in. . . . Charles of Kankakee >>>because I intend to tow my pontoon boat with this thing and >>>its easier to use AWD when you are pulling it out of a slippery boat [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Charles of Kankakee Hell, back then Pearl and Lone Star were my beers of choice (well anything was my beer of choice...LOL) SignatureScott in Florida "A Democratic shift to the right risks inflaming the party's Angry Left base, while a shift to the left would surely cost the party whatever support it has left from normal people." James Taranto - Wall Street Journal > >>>because I intend to tow my pontoon boat with this thing and > >>>its easier to use AWD when you are pulling it out of a slippery boat [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Hell, back then Pearl and Lone Star were my beers of choice (well > anything was my beer of choice...LOL) I'm a PBR man myself -- can't beat 2 bucks a six pack. >> >>>because I intend to tow my pontoon boat with this thing and >> >>>its easier to use AWD when you are pulling it out of a slippery boat [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > I'm a PBR man myself -- can't beat 2 bucks a six pack. Coulda been worse. Could have been Billy Beer. . . . Charles of Kankakee >> >>>because I intend to tow my pontoon boat with this thing and >> >>>its easier to use AWD when you are pulling it out of a slippery boat [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > I'm a PBR man myself -- can't beat 2 bucks a six pack. Take the tour at City Brewery in LaCrosse, WI. It is the former G. Heilemann brewery for Old Style, now a contract brewer for everything from Old Style to Arizona Ice Tea. $1.00 is worth the trip... SignatureRay O correct the return address punctuation to reply >>> >> > You're not alone >>> >> > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > was 42k and the dealer said he was doing me a favor by not charging above > MSRP... LOL! Guess that 'favor' came back and bit him in the a.s, eh? >>>>>You're not alone >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > That explains it alright. Did you really need the AWD version? How do > you like the run flat tires? We get around without AWD on our cars and Sienna. We just buy a set of dedicated snow tires - less expensive to purchase and easier on the gas. I was able to go up a steep drive way with dedicated snow tires while someone with four wheel drive was spinning all four all-seasons - at the bottom. Some say its a pain to change tires, I say its an excellent time to inspect the brakes, CV joints, and suspension. >> You're not alone >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > burn like crazy... but i guess as long as we keep paying these prices, they > will keep going up... demand is up another 1% this month... I think some who buy hybrids care more about the planet, but to buy one for economical reasons seems moot to me, since what you'll save in gas will go into the cost of the damned thing. Natalie >>> You're not alone >>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Natalie Especially given repairs to the thing, if any are needed... -LMB snip >> My neighbor bought a Prius and I got to test drive it. The car is really snip > I think some who buy hybrids care more about the planet, but to buy one > for economical reasons seems moot to me, since what you'll save in gas > will go into the cost of the damned thing. Not only that but how much more money does the fuel price increase represents at the end of the week or the year. Depending on the number of kms/miles one drives in a year, it could represent only a few hundred dollars. At 95 cents a liter, it costs me CAN$2,375/year and at $1,13 a liter, it costs me CAN$2,825/year. A difference of $450.00. If I trade in my 98 Camry for a Prius, how long will it take me to recoup my, er, "investment"? Has anyone done it and done the match? In the meantime, I may be willing to sacrifice a few bags of chips, chocolate bars and pops to offset the higher cost of gasoline. I am also willing not to drive to the mall when I'm bored and to stay home instead to do other things. I am also willing to lower my average speed on the highway and to be more gentel on the pedal when the light turns green. UNTIL, the jack the price of gas so high that we all have to stay home. (Just a few thoughts). > snip >>> My neighbor bought a Prius and I got to test drive it. The car is really [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > for a Prius, how long will it take me to recoup my, er, "investment"? > Has anyone done it and done the match? I hear we've enjoyed the lowest gas prices in the world, and now our time has come > In the meantime, I may be willing to sacrifice a few bags of chips, > chocolate bars and pops to offset the higher cost of gasoline. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > UNTIL, the jack the price of gas so high that we all have to stay home. > (Just a few thoughts). That's the thing to do. We've taken gas for granted for so long, that we've created very wasteful usage. However, we put very little mileage on our cars anyway. My 2000 Echo only has 55K on it, despite driving cross country 3 times. Hubby and I exercise indoors (Not that, you perverts); he at a health club, me at my stair machine, so we don't do a lot of driving anyway. Natalie >>snip >> [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Natalie Now why would you think we are perverts about "indoor" exercise? We have people in the office who go home for "lunch" with their wives - they live close. They come back smiling . . . >>>snip >>> [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > people in the office who go home for "lunch" with their wives - they live > close. They come back smiling . . . It's a 20 minute drive from our house to the base, so....despite being the boss, hubby wouldn't try that one Natalie >>>>snip >>>> [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] >It's a 20 minute drive from our house to the base, so....despite being the >boss, hubby wouldn't try that one Besides....20 plus 20 does not leave enough time... SignatureScott in Florida "A Democratic shift to the right risks inflaming the party's Angry Left base, while a shift to the left would surely cost the party whatever support it has left from normal people." James Taranto - Wall Street Journal >>>>>snip >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > > Besides....20 plus 20 does not leave enough time... That's not what I heard. Of course, I can't speak from personal experience. . . <GD&R> and waiting for Natalie's FWAP. Charles >>>>>>snip >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > >Charles You KNOW it is coming!!! Something tells me you are looking forward to it...too...LOL SignatureScott in Florida "A Democratic shift to the right risks inflaming the party's Angry Left base, while a shift to the left would surely cost the party whatever support it has left from normal people." James Taranto - Wall Street Journal >>>>>>snip >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > > Charles Haste makes waste... Natalie snip >Now why would you think we are perverts about "indoor" exercise? We have > people in the office who go home for "lunch" with their wives - they >live close. They come back smiling . . . THATS ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING!! Nat, give them a tuning up... -- -Gord. (use gordon in email) > snip >>> My neighbor bought a Prius and I got to test drive it. The car is really [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > costs me CAN$2,825/year. A difference of $450.00. If I trade in my 98 > Camry If you double the mileage (say from 30 to 60), you save 50%. That's $1187.5 or $1412.5 according to your numbers. > > You're not alone > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > burn like crazy... but i guess as long as we keep paying these prices, they > will keep going up... demand is up another 1% this month... jesus dude. Two gas guzzlers. I hope its hurting your wallet. Stop being such a greedy bastard. > You're not alone > > http://toccionline.kizash.com/films/1001/178/index.php > > Natalie, soooo glad to have 2 rice-burning cars Let's see: the first family doesn't serve in wars, doesn't purchase gas but uses the biggest gas-guzzling porkers available. Somehow, I really don't think they give a crap - know hat I mean? >> You're not alone >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > uses the biggest gas-guzzling porkers available. Somehow, I really don't > think they give a crap - know hat I mean? I think so, yes :-) Natalie >> You're not alone >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > uses the biggest gas-guzzling porkers available. Somehow, I really don't > think they give a crap - know hat I mean? And...? >>> You're not alone >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > And...? He could start to give a crap. You know, be president. > You're not alone > > http://toccionline.kizash.com/films/1001/178/index.php > > Natalie, soooo glad to have 2 rice-burning cars Hmmmmmm......RICE burning cars, eh? Ever had Sake? Hmmmmmm.....rice burning cars....... >> You're not alone >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Hmmmmmm.....rice burning cars....... Three words, Hachi: Get..some...therapy Natalie >>> You're not alone >>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Natalie Nat, Nat, Nat...have you ever drank Sake? Oh, wait, you don't drink very much at all.... I think you could launch the Space Shuttle on slightly (and I mean very slightly) modified Sake... and the cost would be??? gas is still cheaper by the gallon. >>>> You're not alone >>>> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > I think you could launch the Space Shuttle on slightly (and I mean very > slightly) modified Sake... > and the cost would be??? > gas is still cheaper by the gallon. Yeah, I know, but Nat SAID she had 'Rice Burners...' >>>>> You're not alone >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >> I think you could launch the Space Shuttle on slightly (and I mean very >> slightly) modified Sake... >> and the cost would be??? >> gas is still cheaper by the gallon. > > Yeah, I know, but Nat SAID she had 'Rice Burners...' Yup Natalie >>>>>> You're not alone >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >>> I think you could launch the Space Shuttle on slightly (and I mean very >>> slightly) modified Sake... >>>> You're not alone >>>> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Nat, Nat, Nat...have you ever drank Sake? Oh, wait, you don't drink very > much at all.... Heh - I'm a wimp-drink type; wine coolers, etc. Hard liquor makes me barf from just *smelling* it > I think you could launch the Space Shuttle on slightly (and I mean very > slightly) modified Sake... LOL I'll take your word for it Natalie >I think you could launch the Space Shuttle on slightly (and I mean very >slightly) modified Sake... Gee, does anyone brew 160+ Proof (80% alcohol or better) Sake? Cites, Hachi? (Not that I would call you on it, or anything...) You need a pretty darn high alcohol level to get ethanol (AKA White Lightning) to light off in an IC engine - seeing as it's kind of hard to light water on fire... And a quick Google search showed the average Sake (meant for human consumption) to be around 32 Proof. --<< Bruce >>-- SignatureBruce L. Bergman, Woodland Hills (Los Angeles) CA - Desktop Electrician for Westend Electric - CA726700 5737 Kanan Rd. #359, Agoura CA 91301 (818) 889-9545 Spamtrapped address: Remove the python and the invalid, and use a net. >>I think you could launch the Space Shuttle on slightly (and I mean very >>slightly) modified Sake... [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > --<< Bruce >>-- Sake (also called Nihon shu) is probably the most well-know alcoholic drink to come from Japan but shochu has recently become the best seller in Japan http://web-japan.org/trends/business/bus030924.html SignatureRay O correct the return address punctuation to reply >>>I think you could launch the Space Shuttle on slightly (and I mean very >>>slightly) modified Sake... [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > to come from Japan but shochu has recently become the best seller in Japan > http://web-japan.org/trends/business/bus030924.html Yeah, but...but...Nat said she has a RICE-BURNER...not a molasses burner! ;) >>>>I think you could launch the Space Shuttle on slightly (and I mean very >>>>slightly) modified Sake... [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Yeah, but...but...Nat said she has a RICE-BURNER...not a molasses burner! > ;) Oh... in that case, stick to sake ;-) SignatureRay O correct the return address punctuation to reply >>I think you could launch the Space Shuttle on slightly (and I mean very >>slightly) modified Sake... [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > --<< Bruce >>-- Is THAT all? Damn man, when you DRINK the stuff it sure seems like a hell of a lot more! And who says it's hard to light water on fire? When I was a teeny we had a band and the drummer was talking about how horrible a cook his Mom was, saying "She could burn water..." |
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