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Car Forum / Toyota / Toyota Cars / October 2005

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Mark - 26 Oct 2005 14:52 GMT
http://money.cnn.com/2005/10/26/news/international/toyota_gm.reut/index.htm
High Tech Misfit - 26 Oct 2005 15:50 GMT
> http://money.cnn.com/2005/10/26/news/international/toyota_gm.reut/index.htm

Please don't feed the trolls. :-D
Dan J.S. - 26 Oct 2005 19:16 GMT
> http://money.cnn.com/2005/10/26/news/international/toyota_gm.reut/index.htm

This is really good!!
.dbu. - 26 Oct 2005 19:18 GMT
> http://money.cnn.com/2005/10/26/news/international/toyota_gm.reut/index.htm

It was inevitable.  Toyota rules!!
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dizzy - 27 Oct 2005 01:11 GMT
>http://money.cnn.com/2005/10/26/news/international/toyota_gm.reut/index.htm

They've already passed Ford in car sales, of course, but "Mike" will
point out that if you include trucks in the total, GM and Ford still
sell more.
Wickeddoll® - 27 Oct 2005 01:19 GMT
>>http://money.cnn.com/2005/10/26/news/international/toyota_gm.reut/index.htm
>
> They've already passed Ford in car sales, of course, but "Mike" will
> point out that if you include trucks in the total, GM and Ford still
> sell more.

But are people buying a lot of those big gas-guzzling trucks GM/Ford are so
famous for?

Natalie
Mike Hunter - 27 Oct 2005 16:17 GMT
Both GM and Ford sell far more light trucks alone, which incluides SUVs,
than Toyota sells cars and trucks combined

mike hunt

>>>http://money.cnn.com/2005/10/26/news/international/toyota_gm.reut/index.htm
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> Natalie
C. E. White - 28 Oct 2005 17:53 GMT
> Both GM and Ford sell far more light trucks alone, which incluides SUVs,
> than Toyota sells cars and trucks combined
>
> mike hunt

Through August, Ford sold 756,039 cars and 1,514,521 trucks in the US in
2005 (Ford, Lincoln, Mercury, Jaguar, etc. - but not Mazda).
Through August, GM sold 1,239,383 cars and 1,998,194 trucks in the US in
2005 (all GM brands)
Through August, Toyota sold 1,535,849 vehicles in the US (Toyota, Scion,
Lexus)

So I think your claim that Ford sells more trucks tan Toyota sells vehicles
in the US is not true. It is true for GM, at leat for now. GM still sells
over twice as many vehicles in the US as Toyota, and Ford sells about 50%
more vehicles in the US than Toyota. However, worldwide, Toyota is now
bigger than Ford. And a lot of people seem to think that Toyota will catch
GM, but I would not be to sure of that. GM is doing much better in China
than Toyota, and in the long run that is likely to be the largest potential
new market in the world.

Regards,

Ed White
1,239,383
badgolferman - 27 Oct 2005 02:05 GMT
> > http://money.cnn.com/2005/10/26/news/international/toyota_gm.reut/in
> > dex.htm
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> They've already passed Ford in car sales, of course, but "Mike" will
> point out that if you include trucks in the total, GM and Ford still
> sell more.

Why shouldn't trucks and SUVs be included in the totals?  After all
they are bought and driven by common folk too.  In fact, I know many
Ford loyalists that think the only real Fords are trucks and Mustangs.

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dizzy - 27 Oct 2005 02:39 GMT
>> They've already passed Ford in car sales, of course, but "Mike" will
>> point out that if you include trucks in the total, GM and Ford still
>> sell more.
>
>Why shouldn't trucks and SUVs be included in the totals?  

I didn't say they shouldn't be.
C. E. White - 27 Oct 2005 12:50 GMT
> > > http://money.cnn.com/2005/10/26/news/international/toyota_gm.reut/in
> > > dex.htm
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> they are bought and driven by common folk too.  In fact, I know many
> Ford loyalists that think the only real Fords are trucks and Mustangs.

Even if you count Trucks and SUVs in the totals, Toyota now sells more
vehicles worldwide than Ford. You can giggle the numbers around a bit
depending on how you count Mazda for Ford and Hino and Dahatsu for Toyota,
but for 2005 Toyota is solidly ahead of Ford in worldwide sales. In the US
this is not true, but the US is not where the future growth in sales will
be.

Ed
 
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