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tires for 98 corolla
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Raymond - 26 Oct 2005 21:03 GMT what's a good tire to put on my 98 corolla?
I went to discount tire and they recommended the goodyear Assurance ComforTred.
will this be good enough during michigan winters? I used to drive an all wheel drive with all season tires (continental touring, I think it was)
High Tech Misfit - 26 Oct 2005 21:17 GMT > what's a good tire to put on my 98 corolla? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > will this be good enough during michigan winters? I used to drive an all > wheel drive with all season tires (continental touring, I think it was) No, I repeat, NO all season tire is enough for winter driving. Get dedicated winter tires.
Gord Beaman - 26 Oct 2005 21:31 GMT >> what's a good tire to put on my 98 corolla? >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >No, I repeat, NO all season tire is enough for winter driving. Get >dedicated winter tires. I agree completely...my wife drives about 80 miles round trip about twice a week to work and the rest of the week about 8 miles round trip...this is well within the snow belt...get the best tires you can and get them studded. I did this last year and I won't fail to do it this fall again. It cost me around $500 and If it saves her even a slight ditching it's paid for itself. The slightest dinge will run more than that so it's really silly to cut corners on tires IMO. --
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Raymond - 26 Oct 2005 21:35 GMT what do you mean by get them studded?
> >> what's a good tire to put on my 98 corolla? > >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > -Gord. > (use gordon in email) Ray O - 26 Oct 2005 21:50 GMT > what do you mean by get them studded? Studded snow tires are illegal in many places in the U.S. Check with your tire dealer before you get it done.
Studded snow tires have very short metal studs protruding from the rubber to provide additional traction on snow and ice. Studded snow tires are very noisy - they make a buzzing sound and they tend to cause more wear and tear on roads, which is why they are banned in some places.
If you're willing to put up with the buzzing noize and if they are leagal, they are much better in snow and ice conditions than all season tires. Only tire chains provide better traction than studded snow tires.
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>> >> what's a good tire to put on my 98 corolla? >> >> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >> -Gord. >> (use gordon in email) Gord Beaman - 27 Oct 2005 02:31 GMT >> what do you mean by get them studded? > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >they are much better in snow and ice conditions than all season tires. Only >tire chains provide better traction than studded snow tires. Nah Ray...not now at least...I can hear them only occasionally, mostly as I pull into Horton's drive through window because of the wall up near the car but I never hear them on the highway.
Perhaps they're just quieter now because of modern engineering? In any case they're the cat's a.s I think...I get them 'all around'.
Where I find them very useful is on wet roads when the temp dips below freezing and you're suddenly on 'black ice'. WHOOPS!
Incidentally they're allowed here in the Fall but must come off sometime in the Spring. --
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Hachiroku - 27 Oct 2005 03:35 GMT >>> what do you mean by get them studded? >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > mostly as I pull into Horton's drive through window because of > the wall up near the car but I never hear them on the highway. Horton's eh? Are you a cop?
> Perhaps they're just quieter now because of modern engineering? > In any case they're the cat's a.s I think...I get them 'all [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Incidentally they're allowed here in the Fall but must come off > sometime in the Spring. Gord Beaman - 27 Oct 2005 03:54 GMT >>>> what do you mean by get them studded? >>> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Horton's eh? Are you a cop? No, God no!...I'm a retired military (Air Force) flight engineer...I love Horton's coffee that's all!... :)
...and I don't drive Marie's Matrix much (which has the studded tires), she works (just a kid) so needs the traction...I have a little Corolla to run out for coffee with buddies... :) --
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Ray O - 27 Oct 2005 04:01 GMT >>> what do you mean by get them studded? >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > mostly as I pull into Horton's drive through window because of > the wall up near the car but I never hear them on the highway. I have not heard studded snow tires since they were banned in Illinois. We had studded snow tires on 3 cars - I had to yank the studs out of the snow tires for all 3 cars. Even with a special tool, my knuckles were bloody by the time I was done.
> Perhaps they're just quieter now because of modern engineering? > In any case they're the cat's a.s I think...I get them 'all [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > -Gord. > (use gordon in email) I agree, studded tires are the cat's pajamas but they are tough on the roads.
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Don Fearn - 27 Oct 2005 00:02 GMT I coulda sworn High Tech Misfit <me@privacy.net> typ'd:
>> what's a good tire to put on my 98 corolla? >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >No, I repeat, NO all season tire is enough for winter driving. Get >dedicated winter tires. Overkill, says me. Slow down and drive like the roads are greased and your all-season tires will do fine.
Michigan winters are surely no worse than I deal with here in SE Minnesota, and I've NEVER had anything but all-season tires. That includes commuting and the occasional foray into REAL winter on trips to north central Minnesota. The only times I've ever had any trouble are when the plows are slow getting to the semi-rural neighborhood I live in and I wind up having to work from home for a day . . . .
-Don (looking forward to his 30th winter in SE MN)
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Scott in Florida - 27 Oct 2005 14:26 GMT >I coulda sworn High Tech Misfit <me@privacy.net> typ'd: > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >-Don (looking forward to his 30th winter in SE MN) The Rental Car companies in Minneapolis must agree with you!
I flew into Minneapolis one windy winter day (minus 20 as I remember) and asked the gal if I had snow tires. She said no.
I had NO problem.
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st-bum - 27 Oct 2005 00:08 GMT Those are OK. Try BF Goodrich traction t/a radials. THey're cheaper and are excellent.
FWD cars are very good on snow. You won't need snow tires. I never did and drove on alot of snow in my day. I remember driving on about 2 inches of snow on a 2 lane highway at about 40 mph whilst the RWD cars were going 20 and slipping. FWD is the way to go!
Mike Hunter - 27 Oct 2005 16:38 GMT Let us know if you still feel that way after you slide off the road at a curve at the bottom on an icy grade. Especially after the cop that comes to investigate your accident arrived in a RWD CV LOL
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> Those are OK. Try BF Goodrich traction t/a radials. THey're cheaper > and are excellent. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > inches of snow on a 2 lane highway at about 40 mph whilst the RWD cars > were going 20 and slipping. FWD is the way to go! st-bum - 27 Oct 2005 17:22 GMT > Let us know if you still feel that way after you slide off the road at a > curve at the bottom on an icy grade. Especially after the cop that comes > to investigate your accident arrived in a RWD CV LOL > > mike hunt I've driven on both FWD and RWD for many years. RWD cars are inherently more unstable in snow. The back end slips around all the time.
> > Those are OK. Try BF Goodrich traction t/a radials. THey're cheaper > > and are excellent. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > inches of snow on a 2 lane highway at about 40 mph whilst the RWD cars > > were going 20 and slipping. FWD is the way to go! Scott in Florida - 27 Oct 2005 17:43 GMT >> Let us know if you still feel that way after you slide off the road at a >> curve at the bottom on an icy grade. Especially after the cop that comes [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >inherently more unstable in snow. The back end slips around all the >time. I drove a 64.5 Mustang with a stick in the snow....talk about squiggly...
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>> > Those are OK. Try BF Goodrich traction t/a radials. THey're cheaper >> > and are excellent. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> > were going 20 and slipping. FWD is the way to go! >> >  Signature Scott in Florida
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Don Fearn - 27 Oct 2005 23:50 GMT I coulda sworn Scott in Florida <JustAsk@Florida.com> typ'd:
>>> Let us know if you still feel that way after you slide off the road at a >>> curve at the bottom on an icy grade. Especially after the cop that comes [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >LOL I know the feeling. I had a '73 Datsun 240Z that I drove in snow for one winter. Then I bought a VW Rabbit -- MUCH better in snow!
-Don (wishing he had kept the Z-car when he bought the V-Dub)
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Gord Beaman - 27 Oct 2005 23:09 GMT >> Let us know if you still feel that way after you slide off the road at a >> curve at the bottom on an icy grade. Especially after the cop that comes [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >inherently more unstable in snow. The back end slips around all the >time. I agree...I think the reason is because the front wheels have more weight on them due to the engine...and another pointer, if you have a 4X4 with selectable 4 or 2 wheel drive,,,leave the vehicle in 2 wheel until you get stuck,,,THEN select 4, back out of the drift and go home.
If you use 4 until you get stuck then you're screwed cuz then you're REALLY stuck... --
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Ray O - 28 Oct 2005 05:04 GMT <sipped>
> I agree...I think the reason is because the front wheels have > more weight on them due to the engine...and another pointer, if [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > -Gord. > (use gordon in email) I once saw an article that defined 4 wheel drive as a driveline configuration that (1) allows one to get stuck in deeper mud than one would get stuck in with 2 wheel drive (2) allows one to get stuck in an area that is inaccessible by a tow truck (3) in poor road conditions, allows one to lose control at higher speeds than with 2 wheel drive.
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Gord Beaman - 28 Oct 2005 16:14 GMT ><sipped> >> I agree...I think the reason is because the front wheels have [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >is inaccessible by a tow truck (3) in poor road conditions, allows one to >lose control at higher speeds than with 2 wheel drive. Precisely what I've found out too Ray!!...nothing like experience to breed some common sense into one eh wot?... :) --
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Ray O - 28 Oct 2005 17:27 GMT >><sipped> >>> I agree...I think the reason is because the front wheels have [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > -Gord. > (use gordon in email) An unforeseen side effect of advancements in automotive engineering, like traction control, stability control, ABS, crumple zones, multiple air bags, all wheel drive, etc. is that the Darwinian effect is greatly diminished and people with poor judgment and/or driving skills continue to lurk out there.
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Slim Pickings - 27 Oct 2005 23:38 GMT Rear wheel drive in snow and ice, just think of pushing a wet noodle up a hill.
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>> Let us know if you still feel that way after you slide off the road at a >> curve at the bottom on an icy grade. Especially after the cop that comes [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> > inches of snow on a 2 lane highway at about 40 mph whilst the RWD cars >> > were going 20 and slipping. FWD is the way to go! Don Fearn - 27 Oct 2005 23:48 GMT I coulda sworn "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> typ'd:
>Let us know if you still feel that way after you slide off the road at a >curve at the bottom on an icy grade. Especially after the cop that comes >to investigate your accident arrived in a RWD CV LOL You know which ones I see the most in the ditches when bad weather happens? Four-wheel-drive SUVs and pickups.
That's because the idiots driving them forget that 4X4 makes NO difference when it's time to brake.
-Don
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Bruce L. Bergman - 27 Oct 2005 00:45 GMT >what's a good tire to put on my 98 corolla? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >will this be good enough during michigan winters? I used to drive an all >wheel drive with all season tires (continental touring, I think it was) If you live in an area that gets an annual dose of Real Winter, you really should get a second set of rims, and a set of real Snow Tires. "All Season" tires do everything adequately (wet traction, dry traction, snow, mud, cornering, tread wear, heat resistance) but they do none of them really well.
You can save a whole lot of money by getting a set of generic steel wheels, but you need to get a second set. You can spend $60 to 300 each for some fancy alloy rims, where Tirerack.com has a generic black steel 14" rim for $34 each. At that price, it's not a heartbreaker if you still manage to get sideways on a patch of ice, slide into a curb & bend the rim. $34 is 'disposable'.
Spend the money on good grippy snow tires - if you don't leave them on too long after the snow melts, you can get two to four winters worth of wear out of them.
Dismounting and remounting regular and snow tires on the one set of wheels every year is hard on the tires (the bead areas can rip from the mounting machine arm) and the rims (the seating flanges get all torn up, and the bolt holes.) And the wheel finish gets destroyed from constantly clipping new balancing weights on.
And if you have to have someone else swap the tires for you, you inevitably either wait too long to put the snows on in the fall and get in a wreck, or you wait too long before switching back in the spring and wear out the snow tires way too fast - the soft sticky rubber wears away fast on dry roads.
Then there's that day-long wait at the tire dealer right after the first storm, and the labor charge for each change-over - or if they do the change "for free" they charge for the balancing, or the "things that they find wrong while they're in there..." TANSTAAFL, they need to make their money somewhere, and the workers need to be paid at the end of the day.
And with a second set of wheels & tires all ready to go, if you get a freak early or late snowstorm, you can swap the snow tires on and off your car multiple times a year all by yourself with no problem and no waiting. Buy a floor jack and you can swap them in under an hour without breaking a sweat.
Under 10 minutes with the whole family helping and pit-crew style practice drills, under 5 with a floor lift and multiple impact wrenches, then you get into the zone with the Indy-car jacks built into the car, special captive lug-nuts and "speed wrenches"... What's the limit now, 5 men over the wall? ;-P
(Gotta go get me a Nomex jumpsuit with a bunch of sponsor's names...)
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Hachiroku - 27 Oct 2005 01:40 GMT > what's a good tire to put on my 98 corolla? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > will this be good enough during michigan winters? I used to drive an all > wheel drive with all season tires (continental touring, I think it was) If you're looking at a lot of snow and ice, Bridgstone Blizzaks.
Or, to save a few bucks, get the Mastercraft rip-off, the Glacier-Grip. Buy them NOW, they sell out FAST!
Gord Beaman - 27 Oct 2005 02:50 GMT >> what's a good tire to put on my 98 corolla? >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Or, to save a few bucks, get the Mastercraft rip-off, the Glacier-Grip. >Buy them NOW, they sell out FAST! All good suggestions, plus (if you can legally) stud them and put them 'all around'...else the first time you 'ditch it', and pay $1000 (~) to fix a couple of dings you'll wish to hell that you had spent $500 bux for studded snow tires...to these guys who say "Shucks, just slow down" etc. Well, I've been driving in Canada for over 55 years and I damned well know what the hell I'm talking about, if you want to ignore my advice then 'fill yer boots bud'...and the best of luck to you too. :) --
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