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Built_Well - 26 Apr 2006 16:24 GMT
Will frequent use of a cell phone charger affect the life of your
battery?  Any other considerations when using a cell phone charger?

Thank you.
Mike Harris - 26 Apr 2006 16:49 GMT
> Will frequent use of a cell phone charger affect the life of your
> battery?  Any other considerations when using a cell phone charger?

Other than "hang the f***ing thing up and drive?"  None.

When the car is running there are no issues - leave it charging as long as
you want.

Depending on the amperage drain of your charger you might want to unplug it
when the car is parked for any length of time.  Go into the supermarket and
you'll be fine; leave it plugged in overnight and you might come back to a
dead car battery.
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Scott in Florida - 26 Apr 2006 17:57 GMT
>> Will frequent use of a cell phone charger affect the life of your
>> battery?  Any other considerations when using a cell phone charger?
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>you'll be fine; leave it plugged in overnight and you might come back to a
>dead car battery.

My '92 Corolla Wagon solves that problem for ya....

The cigarette lighter socket turns off when you take the key out...

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Learning Richard - 27 Apr 2006 12:10 GMT
> > Will frequent use of a cell phone charger affect the life of your
> > battery?  Any other considerations when using a cell phone charger?
>
> Other than "hang the f***ing thing up and drive?"  None.

A-MEN.  You can now get a $100 ticket in Washington DC for talking on
the cell phone while driving.

For some reason, handsfree phones are exempt -- ever talk to your wife
on the speakerphone about picking up half a dozen things from Safeway
while you're dodging tourists and old ladies in Oldsmobile SUV's?
Coyoteboy - 27 Apr 2006 13:51 GMT
> For some reason, handsfree phones are exempt

Probably because its exactly the same as having a passenger, if not
better because you wont be tempted to look at the phone while you talk
to it - dont suppose they will ban passengers or give you 100$ ticket
for chatting to them.
S.P. - 28 Apr 2006 13:10 GMT
>> Will frequent use of a cell phone charger affect the life of your
>> battery?  Any other considerations when using a cell phone charger?

> Other than "hang the f***ing thing up and drive?"  None.
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> and you'll be fine; leave it plugged in overnight and you might come back
> to a dead car battery.

If the overnight use of your charger kills your car battery,it was already
time to replace it.  Mine is on continuously without a problem, sometimes
for a week without the truck being driven.
Built_Well - 28 Apr 2006 16:16 GMT
> If the overnight use of your charger kills your car battery,it
> was already time to replace it.  Mine is on continuously without
> a problem, sometimes for a week without the truck being driven.

    T-Mobile manual says:

    "For optimum performance of your phone and your battery, avoid
charging your battery only partially, but instead always charge
it completely.  You should also avoid recharging a battery that
is already full or nearly full.  This may shorten the life of
the battery."
S.P. - 28 Apr 2006 16:21 GMT
>> If the overnight use of your charger kills your car battery,it
>> was already time to replace it.  Mine is on continuously without
>> a problem, sometimes for a week without the truck being driven.

>     T-Mobile manual says:
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> is already full or nearly full.  This may shorten the life of
> the battery."

What we have here is a failure to communicate.  I have my truck cell phone
charger plugged in and it is on continuously in my truck but my phone is not
plugged into it continuously, only when it needs a charge and I am not at
home.  I was talking about the vehicle battery being too weak to hold a
charge.
Ray O - 26 Apr 2006 21:34 GMT
> Will frequent use of a cell phone charger affect the life of your
> battery?  Any other considerations when using a cell phone charger?
>
> Thank you.

Frequent use of a cell phone charger will not affect the life of your car
battery but it may affect the life of the cell phone battery.

No other considerations when using a cell phone charger in a Toyota because
the 12V outlets are switched with the accessory/ignition switch.

Obviously, you also face the dangers of talking and driving, etc.
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Gord Beaman - 26 Apr 2006 21:52 GMT
>> Will frequent use of a cell phone charger affect the life of your
>> battery?  Any other considerations when using a cell phone charger?
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>Obviously, you also face the dangers of talking and driving, etc.

Yes, and it's no trivial matter either...also it's not the same
as chatting with passengers with you either...
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Joey - 27 Apr 2006 01:43 GMT
>>Will frequent use of a cell phone charger affect the life of your
>>battery?  Any other considerations when using a cell phone charger?
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Obviously, you also face the dangers of talking and driving, etc.

And......not to mention an increased chance of brain tumors from the RF
radiation.
Gord Beaman - 27 Apr 2006 01:55 GMT
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>>>Will frequent use of a cell phone charger affect the life of your
>>>battery?  Any other considerations when using a cell phone charger?
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>And......not to mention an increased chance of brain tumors from the RF
>radiation.

I personally doubt this...it's never been even remotely connected
(AFIK) ...I'm a long time ham radio operator (55 years)
I've used handheld radios of up to 5 watts of RF and high power
amplifiers (1000 watts DC) as have most of my friends/associates
and I've never heard of any of them suffering with this
malady...I think it's just an 'old wives tale'

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Coyoteboy - 27 Apr 2006 13:53 GMT
> I personally doubt this...it's never been even remotely connected
> (AFIK) ...I'm a long time ham radio operator (55 years)
> I've used handheld radios of up to 5 watts of RF and high power
> amplifiers (1000 watts DC) as have most of my friends/associates
> and I've never heard of any of them suffering with this
> malady...I think it's just an 'old wives tale'

I agree, theres no scientific data to back this up at all, and there
has been a LOT of research on the subject.

J
Ray O - 27 Apr 2006 06:31 GMT
>>>Will frequent use of a cell phone charger affect the life of your
>>>battery?  Any other considerations when using a cell phone charger?
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> And......not to mention an increased chance of brain tumors from the RF
> radiation.

I'm not convinced that the chance of developing brain tumors increases from
the RF radiation, but just in case, I used the term "dangers" to include all
of the risks that come from talking and driving.
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Gord Beaman - 28 Apr 2006 01:57 GMT
>>>>Will frequent use of a cell phone charger affect the life of your
>>>>battery?  Any other considerations when using a cell phone charger?
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>the RF radiation, but just in case, I used the term "dangers" to include all
>of the risks that come from talking and driving.

Damned tootin Ray...I think there's massive danger in using a cel
phone while driving...some say "Well, then, get y'self a 'hands
free' unit!...gee!...big difference THAT will make!...it's NOT
the lack of the hand that's the problem, it's the lack of half
(or whatever) of your brain that's important.

It takes much more concentration to use a phone that to converse
with your passengers in the vehicle.

I'm a long time ham radio operator (40+ years) and have had
mobile VHF equipment in my car for all of them. I discovered long
ago that it wasn't smart to use the radio actively while under
way because of the distraction of paying a lot of attention to
what's being said then formulating answers etc. I found myself
making many more traffic errors while doing that.

I made a resolution to just listen casually and to not transmit
while moving, if I needed to communicate I stopped, do my thing
then carried on...it really does make a big difference.
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Ray O - 28 Apr 2006 04:47 GMT
>>>>>Will frequent use of a cell phone charger affect the life of your
>>>>>battery?  Any other considerations when using a cell phone charger?
[quoted text clipped - 39 lines]
> while moving, if I needed to communicate I stopped, do my thing
> then carried on...it really does make a big difference.

As a real estate broker, I'm on the cell phone quite a bit.  It doesn't take
much to pull into a parking lot or gas station to deal with the phone and
then get back on the road.
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Coyoteboy - 28 Apr 2006 10:11 GMT
> It takes much more concentration to use a phone that to converse
> with your passengers in the vehicle.

With hands-free? hows that? you dont need to touch the phone, all you
have to do is speak. You dont even need to press anything to answer or
hang up?? How is that different to conversing with a passenger?

J
Gord Beaman - 28 Apr 2006 17:26 GMT
>> It takes much more concentration to use a phone that to converse
>> with your passengers in the vehicle.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>J

It's the concentration required J, you must concentrate much more
just to pick out what's being said on the phone plus you have no
visual cues on the phone, body language?. One gets many clues
about the trend of the conversation from body language of a
'live'  speaker, and with multiple passengers the driver isn't
'sort of under the gun' to pay attention to it either...in
general, it's just more 'relaxed' than phone conversation.

Matter of fact, the 'powers that be' are considering banning cel
phone use while driving...my wife and I don't allow ourselves to
do that.

Just imagine how you'd feel, if, due to a second's inattention,
you failed to initiate panic braking and killed a little kid who
darted out between cars parked along a street?.

Nothing in God's world could be worse I think.
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Coyoteboy - 29 Apr 2006 20:00 GMT
"Gord Beaman" <gord@islandtelecom.com> wrote in message
> It's the concentration required J, you must concentrate much more
> just to pick out what's being said on the phone plus you have no
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> 'sort of under the gun' to pay attention to it either...in
> general, it's just more 'relaxed' than phone conversation.

I really dont see where you're coming from. To see body language you need to
be looking in the general direction of tha passenger - and when driving
thats certainly not where I'm looking.  Maybe its just me but I can bearly
even see anything but the legs of my passenger while im driving. If i want
to see them i have to look left, which means taking my eyes off the road. I
dont have to do that and i dont feel obliged to look the person speaking
when they are a phone! Also why do you have to concentrate more to pick out
whats being said? Do you have particularly bad cell coverage there? Its a
clear as a whistle and right in my earphone when im using mine - i might
look like a star-trek reject but thats a side point! All i have to do is sit
back and chat as if i was talking to myself?? With multiple passengers you
feel the need to look in the mirror to talk to them - but since I cant fit
anyone in the back of my car i dont really have that either!

I suppose its a personal thing but IMO if there is someone there to talk to
you feel the need to look at them, its human nature and you just pointed it
out. If theres no-one there and you have good coverage so the line doesnt
break up (99% of the UK) a phone takes less effort to talk to and requires
no visual contact.

J
chaz - 26 Apr 2006 23:45 GMT
> Will frequent use of a cell phone charger affect the life of your
> battery?  Any other considerations when using a cell phone charger?
>
> Thank you.

I can never remember to charge my phone at home.  My 25 minute commute plus
a car charger is enough to keep it working for the day.  But I'm worried.
Am I messing up the battery?
No.  Search lithium ion on wikipedia.

I've been keeping my phone plugged in the lighter socket while I talk and
drive around town.  Will I ruin my car battery?
Yes, right after you hit something.

I read your question as the first one as the second one doesn't really make
any sense.
Gord Beaman - 27 Apr 2006 01:12 GMT


These posts are mixed up so that one can't read them
properly...let me try to untangle them

>> Will frequent use of a cell phone charger affect the life of your
>> battery?  Any other considerations when using a cell phone charger?
>>
>> Thank you.

No...modern cell phones use lithium ion (or similar) batteries
and don't develop a 'memory'

>I can never remember to charge my phone at home.  My 25 minute commute plus
>a car charger is enough to keep it working for the day.  But I'm worried.
>Am I messing up the battery?

I'd say that the battery is already 'messed up'...it certainly
should last longer than that...my cel phone is several years old,
I use it every day and it will last about a week on one overnight
charge. (mind you, I don't carry on hour long chats on it...)


>I've been keeping my phone plugged in the lighter socket while I talk and
>drive around town.  Will I ruin my car battery?

God no!...a cel phone draws very little current and your car
battery will drive it for a very long time, even if you 'weren't
charging it while using the phone...

I'd get that battery checked (or changed) though, it's certainly
a little lazy...



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Mike Hunter - 27 Apr 2006 18:24 GMT
The day?  Where did you buy your phone?  Mine will stay charged for a week
or more and I use it often, even to connect to the internet    ;)

mike hunt

>> Will frequent use of a cell phone charger affect the life of your
>> battery?  Any other considerations when using a cell phone charger?
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> I can never remember to charge my phone at home.  My 25 minute commute
> plus a car charger is enough to keep it working for the day.
Viperkiller - 28 Apr 2006 05:47 GMT
>Will frequent use of a cell phone charger affect the life of your
>battery?  Any other considerations when using a cell phone charger?
>
>Thank you.

If you have setting on your phone to slow down the charging rate, set
it at the lowest practical mode.  Batteries last longer the slower
they are recharged.
Coyoteboy - 28 Apr 2006 10:12 GMT
> If you have setting on your phone to slow down the charging rate, set
> it at the lowest practical mode.  Batteries last longer the slower
> they are recharged.

This depends on the battery type. Some (like old nicads, though not
used in phones i know!) work better if charged fast.
 
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