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Jeep Cherokee - Common Faults? Comments Please
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Jim - 21 Dec 2006 00:55 GMT Hi I am considering buying a Jeep Cherokee 2.5 Diesel, probably somewhere in the range of 1993 to 2000.
Are there any common failings of this model I should be aware of before parting with my money? The vehicle would be used for getting me too and from work, a 15 minute sprint down the motorway, and for towing a trailer or caravan.
TIA
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Axel Hammer - 21 Dec 2006 09:41 GMT > Hi I am considering buying a Jeep Cherokee 2.5 Diesel, probably > somewhere in the range of 1993 to 2000. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > too and from work, a 15 minute sprint down the motorway, and for > towing a trailer or caravan. The VM-diesel? Forget anything like this. The engine is crap at its best. Blown gaskets, ruptured timing chain and ALL accompanying woes. Ask any garage for this vehicle / engine, they will open your eyes. If you like this vehicle, do it a favour: WRECK IT!
Axel
Huw - 21 Dec 2006 20:45 GMT >> Hi I am considering buying a Jeep Cherokee 2.5 Diesel, probably somewhere >> in the range of 1993 to 2000. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Axel Don't take any notice Jim. The VM is of high quality, if noisy and by todays standards, an old-fasioned unit. It has never been fitted with either a timing belt of chain to break.
Huw
Axel Hammer - 22 Dec 2006 07:48 GMT >Don't take any notice Jim. The VM is of high quality... > Whatever. Buy this car, use it, and keep us updated (pictures will be nice, too). I know the results already :-D Got money?
Axel
Axel Hammer - 22 Dec 2006 08:01 GMT Addon:
http://www.businessportal24.com/de/Haendler_Konstruktionsfehler_Urteil_80163.html
(German, covers lawsuit on Jeep Cherokee many engine breakdowns due to bad engine design - 15 days old)
...now it's up to you to decide. :)
Axel
Steve Firth - 22 Dec 2006 09:04 GMT > Addon: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > ....now it's up to you to decide. :) But the article doesn't state which engine has problems, or even if the engine is diesel or petrol. It refers to the purchase of a vehicle with 85,000 km on the clock which by 95,000 km developed a crack in the head. The judgment is that the seller is responsible for the repair even though the fault was a manufacturing fault. The manufacturer admitted that many vehicles had failed cylinder heads between 80 and 120,000 km and that the design has since been revised.
Note that it says the cylinder head had been revised, not that another engine had been used.
This makes me suspect that the engine in question is *not* the VM diesel. Since Jeep have not just revised the cylinder head for current models but have co-developed a new five cylinder 3.1 diesel wih VM Motori.
And I found this:
http://experts.about.com/q/Jeep-Repair-817/00-G-Cherokee-4.htm
"Some 4.0L's would also have cracked cylinder heads that the crack could be seen when the oil cap is removed. When they came out with the coil-rail designed coil-on-plug ignition system there's something about the way the bosses were cast in that hold the coil rail that caused the heads to crack thus leaking coolant in to the oil once the coolant reached a certain pressure."
This makes me suspect that the ADAC article refers also to the 4.0 straight six rather than the VM engine.
Huw - 22 Dec 2006 16:23 GMT >> Addon: >> [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > straight > six rather than the VM engine. The only time the VM has cylinder head problems is when they are boiled or run without water. The alloy cannot stand the heat. However, this is common to all alloy heads on all engines. The VM 2.5 has individual cylinder heads for each cylinder so a 'cracked head' sounds wrong for this engine. Since Axel obviously knows absolutely nothing about this family of engines, even that they do not have either timing chains or belts, I fail to see how he can dare to comment.
Personally I do not rate the actual vehicle very highly and do think that the engine is old technology but that does not alter the fact that in their time, both were pretty good, so they must still be pretty good by those standards today. Just not my cup of tea.
Huw
Steve Firth - 22 Dec 2006 16:46 GMT > Personally I do not rate the actual vehicle very highly and do think that > the engine is old technology Yes, but nowhere near as ancient as the 4.0 straight six which is a dinosaur. It was asking for problems when they modified the heads for coil packs.
Huw - 22 Dec 2006 18:25 GMT >> Personally I do not rate the actual vehicle very highly and do think >> that the engine is old technology > > Yes, but nowhere near as ancient as the 4.0 straight six which is a > dinosaur. It was asking for problems when they modified the heads for > coil packs. Agreed, it is ancient. However, I have absolutely no technical knowlege or experience with that engine so I will take your word for it on the modifications.
Huw
paul - 21 Dec 2006 22:32 GMT Hello Jim From my experience the 2.5 diesel is a bit gutless for towing if you have a heavy trailer. I have a Grand Cherokee 4.0 litre petrol which I tow a trailer with daily (trailer weighs 2.6 tonnes) and it pulls lovely.Downside is the cost of the petrol but compared to the diesel 2.5 it is chalk and cheese. Having said that I am told that the later engine in the diesel Cherokees ,which I was told is, Mercedes is ok. This is just my opinion. Paul
> Hi I am considering buying a Jeep Cherokee 2.5 Diesel, probably somewhere > in the range of 1993 to 2000. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > TIA Huw - 21 Dec 2006 22:41 GMT > Hello Jim > From my experience the 2.5 diesel is a bit gutless for [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > ,which I was told is, Mercedes is ok. > This is just my opinion. The 2.5 VM was fitted to the little square Cherokee [and Range Rover, Rover 820, Ford Scorpio, Chrysler Voyager and probably others] while the five cylinder 3.0VM was fitted to the Grand Cherokee prior to the introduction of the five cylinder 2.7 Mercedes direct injection. In my experience the Mercedes, while being a more refined and economical common rail unit, is not as reliable long term as the VM.
Huw
Tim.. - 23 Dec 2006 17:56 GMT > Hi I am considering buying a Jeep Cherokee 2.5 Diesel, probably somewhere > in the range of 1993 to 2000. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > from work, a 15 minute sprint down the motorway, and for towing a trailer > or caravan. No, dont bother. The VM 4 pot is notorious for going bang. Cylinder heads are individual, and warp either as the head gasket lets go, or during.
They are ruinous to keep going.
Get the 4 litre and LPG it.
Tim..
Jim - 26 Dec 2006 23:43 GMT Thanks for all your comments, I have already been advised by someone who makes a living working on VM's. His opinion is that although they sound like tractors, if you look after them they will keep on going, however if you let them overheat drastically then you will have trouble with the heads.
So engine choices aside what about transmission, electrics, corrosion weak spots etc.
TIA
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Huw - 27 Dec 2006 17:21 GMT > Thanks for all your comments, I have already been advised by someone who > makes a living working on VM's. His opinion is that although they sound [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > So engine choices aside what about transmission, electrics, corrosion weak > spots etc. Transmission in that Cherokee is a part-time four wheel drive. This means that it is only a 2wd on any firm road and that low ratio is effectively only a field ratio. Other bits and bobs, I don't know about although I have heard that rear axle diffs can be problematic on some models built at some time. Big help eh?
Huw
Tim.. - 28 Dec 2006 10:26 GMT >> Thanks for all your comments, I have already been advised by someone who >> makes a living working on VM's. His opinion is that although they sound [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > axle diffs can be problematic on some models built at some time. Big help > eh? Get the 4 litre, auto, and LPG it. Generally very very tough if given regualr maintanance (grease nipples and fresh oil)
Rear diffs can be whiney, and need the pinion bearing re-shimming to cure, but will keep going for a good while despite the noise.
Inspect the underbody on any propsective purchase for signs of off roading.
Rear springs can sag with age, especially if used for towing- pretty cheap to replace.
Tim.
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