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Car Forum / UK Car Forums / 4x4 Cars (UK group) / January 2007upgrading for new 4x4
i am on the lookout for a 4x4 i already have a 2.5 turbo diesel mitsubishi pajero and am thiking of upgrading to a new model can anyone tell me or recomend anyother 4x4s that are very reliable and robust other than the pajero. it needs also to have 7 seats and be a work horse as i travel frequently visiting my holiday home up the coast.i have looked at numerous others i like the look of the isuzu bighorn the isuzu trooper and the toyota landcruisers. they need to be diesel and no more than 2.5 or 3 litres engine compacity. any comments on this subject are most welcome thanks from smites. > i am on the lookout for a 4x4 i already have a 2.5 turbo diesel > mitsubishi pajero and am thiking of upgrading to a new model can anyone [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > no more than 2.5 or 3 litres engine compacity. any comments on this > subject are most welcome thanks from smites. If you don't mind something 'tank like' the Nissan Patrol would meet your spec. My brother in Law has one and it'd done over 200K miles without anything major touching on the engine -- > > i am on the lookout for a 4x4 i already have a 2.5 turbo diesel > > mitsubishi pajero and am thiking of upgrading to a new model can anyone [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > --cheers for your reply on the nissan patrol i totally agree with you about looking like a tank they look like a beast of a 4x4 to me. from smites > i am on the lookout for a 4x4 i already have a 2.5 turbo diesel > mitsubishi pajero and am thiking of upgrading to a new model can anyone [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > no more than 2.5 or 3 litres engine compacity. any comments on this > subject are most welcome thanks from smites. Why diesel, and why 3 litres? I ask because diesel is more expensive than petrol, which goes some way to offset the fewer mpg from petrol than diesel. A petrol burner converted to LPG can be much cheaper to run than a diesel - if you have enough LPG filling stations near you. FWIW, the guy who runs the Pajero Owners Club (UK) also runs a Trooper Owners Club and a Landcruiser Owners Club at http://www.itocuk.com/ and http://www.tlocuk.com/ respectively and should give some insight on owning these cars. If seven seats is a must but "world-class" offroad capability isn't, you might want to consider a 4WD MPV such as a Delica, Bongo, or Lucida. These have more space inside than a conventional 7-seat 4x4, convert nicely to impromptu sleeping accommodation (the Bongo auto-freetop has an upstairs double bed!), and the Delica (at least) is almost as good off- road as your Pajero. HTH,  SignatureGeoff > > i am on the lookout for a 4x4 i already have a 2.5 turbo diesel > > mitsubishi pajero and am thiking of upgrading to a new model can anyone [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > -- > Geoff cheers for the advice on the delicia and mazda bongo i have also had a browse at them in the past and i agree with what you are saying and they are well worth cosindering buying. i know that petrol is cheaper than diesel but i was always led to beleive that a diesel engine would outlast the petrol engine is this correct? >> If seven seats is a must but "world-class" offroad capability isn't, you >> might want to consider a 4WD MPV such as a Delica, Bongo, or Lucida. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> >> -- > Geoff cheers for the advice on the delicia and mazda bongo i have also > had a browse at them in the past and i agree with what you are saying > and they are well worth cosindering buying. i know that petrol is > cheaper than diesel but i was always led to beleive that a diesel engine > would outlast the petrol engine is this correct? Not really, large petrol engines last as long as diseasels. Most of the belief that diesel engines last for ages is based on the experience of trucks with normally aspirated engines and marine engines. However things like the Gardiner diesels were built in a radically different way to modern turbodiesel engines, being closer to Rolls Royce engines than to mass-produced stuff. As to vehicle type, you need to consider what your real (not the imagined) use of your vehicle will be. I have a long drive down a difficult road to get to my farm, and I rarely use four wheel drive to get along it, in fact a Land Rover I had suffered from a broken freewheel hub so I never had 4x4 on it for the last three years of its life. It still managed to cover the ground. A soft roader or MPV type could well be what you want. In addition to those listed by Geoff, I'd also recommend the Nissan Elgrand which actually has a 3.1TD engine. It comes in both 2WD and 4WD versions, and both have an off road setting so be careful to check that the one you are interested in really is 4x4. (on the 2x4 the off road setting simply adjusts the traction control.) > >> If seven seats is a must but "world-class" offroad capability isn't, you > >> might want to consider a 4WD MPV such as a Delica, Bongo, or Lucida. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > really is 4x4. (on the 2x4 the off road setting simply adjusts the traction > control.)cheers for your reply i will be logging of for a while and going to have a browse i must say though i like the look at the mazda bongo that geoff told me about earlier it has loads of space and looks ideal for traveling up the coast to me holiday home have you got any opinions on the mazda bongo if so i would like to hear your views cheers. from smites > have you got any opinions on the mazda bongo if so i would like to hear > your views cheers. I'm interested in one myself but currently waging a war with my wife who hates the name and thinks that her friends would laugh at her if we had one. I don't like the cloth seats, but they are standard on most vehicles. The pop up roof looks good, the engine is IIRC the same as the one in the Ford Ranger/Mazda B200 and the 4x4 transmission is off the same pickup I think. So it should be OK. If you want one with a sink etc then I would have a look at some of the aftermarket conversions. There's a fairly good kitchen unit in a box with cokker, sink and fridge. It's custom designed for the Bongo and it can be lifted out if you need the extra room. It's a much better design than the factory fitted unit. > I'm interested in one myself but currently waging a war with my wife who > hates the name and thinks that her friends would laugh at her if we had > one. FWIW, the Ford Freda is the same vehicle - perhaps she wouldn't object so much at that name! SignatureGeoff >> I'm interested in one myself but currently waging a war with my wife who >> hates the name and thinks that her friends would laugh at her if we had >> one. > > FWIW, the Ford Freda is the same vehicle - perhaps she wouldn't object so > much at that name! Hmm no, sadly, we've been there. Although I think the Freda looks slightly better. It's partly my own fault. The local importer is only 15 miles away, so I took her there, warning here that the cars are generally shite and I would buy elsewhere. I just wanted her to get an idea of the size, equipment and trim levels. Leave it to me to get one in really good nick. First comment: "I don't like this one." "Why not." "It's dirty and the dashboard is broken." AAaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhh..... >> [quoted text muted] >> have you got any opinions on the mazda bongo if so i would like to hear [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Ford Ranger/Mazda B200 and the 4x4 transmission is off the same pickup I >think. Wait until she finds out that the weird mazda bongo, is actually the even more laughable mazda bongo friendee. SignatureCarl Robson Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com Now Playing at home:Joey Ramone-What A Wonderful World > cheers for your reply i will be logging of for a while and going to > have a browse i must say though i like the look at the mazda bongo > that geoff told me about earlier it has loads of space and looks ideal > for traveling up the coast to me holiday home have you got any > opinions on the mazda bongo if so i would like to hear your views > cheers. from smites Once again, there is an owner's club: http://www.bongofury.co.uk/ :) However, two things to be aware of: 1. Unlike Mitsubishi with your Pajero, UK Mazda dealers won't support grey imports (although some will service them). However, that isn't too big an issue because there are lots of import specialists. 2. The fuel consumption is similar to your Pajero - after all, it's a heavy beast with the aerodynamics of a housebrick. That said, they're super comfortable and a nice relaxing drive. SignatureGeoff > >> If seven seats is a must but "world-class" offroad capability isn't, you > >> might want to consider a 4WD MPV such as a Delica, Bongo, or Lucida. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > really is 4x4. (on the 2x4 the off road setting simply adjusts the traction > control.)cheers for your reply about the nissan elgrand i will have a look at a few later i must say though i like the mitsubishi delicias and especialy the mazda bongo that geoff told me about . what is your opinion on these 2 ? all views on the subject much appreciated. from smites |
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