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Car Forum / UK Car Forums / 4x4 Cars (UK group) / February 2005Risk factor with red deisel?
Hi, just wondering how many folk here have had a fuel check by customs and excise? Do you think pickups would be more liable to such checks? Most farmers around here seem to run on red but surely the risk isnt worth it? Hope you all dont blast me on the morals of doing such a thing, im just an honest farmer myself!!! Phil. >Hi, just wondering how many folk here have had a fuel check by customs and >excise? Do you think pickups would be more liable to such checks? Most [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Phil. A couple of years ago at our local agricultural show they stood at the exit and simply said to every driver, either a) confess, sign this form and you can be on your way , or b) line up over there and wait while we test every single diesel vehicle going out of here. You pays your money ... But remember you are dealing with Customs And Excise, and they are not trained to be bastards it just come naturally to them.  Signaturehugh Reply to address is valid at the time of posting > A couple of years ago at our local agricultural show they stood at > the exit and simply said to every driver, either a) confess, sign > this form and you can be on your way , or b) line up over there and > wait while we test every single diesel vehicle going out of here. Thats seems a tad unfair on those running white. I think a) should have been confess, sign this form, park your vehicle over there and walk home. > You pays your money ... But remember you are dealing with Customs > And Excise, and they are not trained to be bastards it just come > naturally to them. No they simply no every trick in the book and then some. You really do not want to mess with HMC&E. SignatureCheers new5pam@howhill.com Dave. pam is missing e-mail >> A couple of years ago at our local agricultural show they stood at >> the exit and simply said to every driver, either a) confess, sign [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >have been confess, sign this form, park your vehicle over there and >walk home. I don't thin "fair" is in their vocabulary. >> You pays your money ... But remember you are dealing with Customs >> And Excise, and they are not trained to be bastards it just come >> naturally to them. > >No they simply no every trick in the book and then some. You really do >not want to mess with HMC&E. Quite. I'm not sure now what the top penalty is for mis-use of red diesel. Does it run to confiscation of vehicle? Signaturehugh Reply to address is valid at the time of posting > I'm not sure now what the top penalty is for mis-use of red diesel. > Does it run to confiscation of vehicle? I think so... yep. Look at Section 5 in the .pdf linked from this page: http://www.hmce.gov.uk/channelsPortalWebApp/channelsPortalWebApp.porta l?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=pageHome_ShowContent&id=HMCE_CL_000164&propert yType=document http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z3A63208A SignatureCheers new5pam@howhill.com Dave. pam is missing e-mail > >Hope you all dont blast me on the morals of doing such a thing, im just an > >honest farmer myself!!! Oh yes, very honest, we can all see that! > Hi, just wondering how many folk here have had a fuel check by customs and > excise? I have not been checked but regularly pass roadside checks on my travels. It is just luck that I have been pulled. Not that I have anything to hide of course. >Do you think pickups would be more liable to such checks? Yes. Most > farmers around here seem to run on red but surely the risk isnt worth it? I seriously doubt that they do. City dwellers with small diesel cars are just as likely to try it but latest restrictions on the sale and recording of marine diesel have probably hit the habit hard. Farmers are less likely to offend because the likelyhood of either a roadside test or a visit and test are so much higher and quite likely at some point. > Hope you all dont blast me on the morals of doing such a thing, im just an > honest farmer myself!!! Then don't even think of trying it or I, for one, will not worry about your plight if you are brought to book. Huw A friend of mine puts domestic heating oil (Kerosene?) sometimes mixed in with the diesel in his SIIA 2.0L diesel Landrover. It's not red (colourless), costs 20p litre and still works okay apparently. Even smells the same as diesel. What is legality of this and will it damage his engine? Nevillef > What is legality of this and will it damage his engine? It is illegal just like using red. It is also contains visible and invisible markers, the dye used is yellow. It's a little bit more volatile than diesel, may have a rather high sulphur content and no upper cylinder/valve lubricant additives. Where does he get it for 20p/l? The last 2000l I bought was 24.5p/l + VAT @ 5%. SignatureCheers new5pam@howhill.com Dave. pam is missing e-mail >A friend of mine puts domestic heating oil (Kerosene?) sometimes mixed in >with the diesel in his SIIA 2.0L diesel Landrover. It's not red [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Nevillef Absolutely illegal and since a few customs officers must read this and have powers that the police can only dream of, you can expect a knock or battering ram at your door at 4.30am any morning now ;-) Best of luck under interrogation. I am told that it is not a pleasant experience. Huw > >A friend of mine puts domestic heating oil (Kerosene?) sometimes mixed in > >with the diesel in his SIIA 2.0L diesel Landrover. It's not red [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Huw Aye and they will happily calculate how much red you could have used during the life of the vehicle and bill you for the tax on the lot Derek "Derek" <delwattsspamnoman@cwcom.net> wrote >> >> Absolutely illegal and since a few customs officers must read this and > have [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > the life of the vehicle and bill you for the tax on the lot > Derek Hmm. Let's see. They stopped building SIIa about 1971. So that's over 30 years worth of back duty. Plus interest. Doubled as a fine. Plus costs. Is it worth it? Huw You can, of course, use heating oil provided that you come clean to HM C&E and pay the extra duty. Regards Steve G > Absolutely illegal and since a few customs officers must read this and have > powers that the police can only dream of, you can expect a knock or [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Huw On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 23:13:40 GMT, "SteveG wrote: > You can, of course, use heating oil provided that you come clean to > HMC&E and pay the extra duty. But you can't do this after the event. You need to apply for, and obtain a licence before you can repay the rebate and you must repay the rebate before you can use any rebated heavy oil in a road vehicle. When applying for the licence you need to provide extremely good reason(s) why you need to use rebated heavy oil in a road vehicle. SignatureCheers new5pam@howhill.com Dave. pam is missing e-mail > Absolutely illegal and since a few customs officers must read this > and have powers that the police can only dream of, you can expect a > knock or battering ram at your door at 4.30am any morning now ;-) Get that tinfoil hat out Huw! I was told I'd get woken up at 2AM when I posted to alt.fan.landrover about using veg oil in the landy, never happened in the end although I stopped after being pulled over by the police for driving down a six-foot-long bus lane while lost in a city. I had to coast to a halt with the engine off then wait until they'd left before restarting, otherwise the smell would have given me away! SignatureFor every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert |
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