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Car Forum / UK Car Forums / 4x4 Cars (UK group) / April 2005Discovery
Hi Need advice, which is best all round. Dico TDi or V8 with LPG Cheers Best advice is not to worry about fuel bills buy German or Japanese to ensure the Discovery repair bills don't bankrupt you.  SignatureMarcus I like people, they are bio-degradable !. Three engineers were sitting down to a quiet beer in the bar one night. They were from Toyota, General Motors and Land Rover so the conversation naturally got around to which company made the best off-road vehicles. Anyway, after several hours of argument they couldn’t agree which was the best so decided to hold a driving challenge. The Toyota engineer said proudly that he would use a Land Cruiser Amazon; the GM engineer loudly proclaimed that his choice would be a Jeep Grand Cherokee. Both were a little taken aback when the Land Rover engineer said calmly that his vehicle would be a Vauxhall Corsa … his reason being that if the others weren’t going to take the challenge seriously then neither was he. Regards Steve G > Best advice is not to worry about fuel bills buy German or Japanese to > ensure the Discovery repair bills don't bankrupt you. SteveG <"s.goodfellow"@blueyonder dot> wrote: > Three engineers were sitting down to a quiet beer in the bar one night. > They were from Toyota, General Motors and Land Rover so the conversation [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >> Best advice is not to worry about fuel bills buy German or Japanese to >> ensure the Discovery repair bills don't bankrupt you. Cheers Steve Had a feeling Marcus was on the wrong tack Regards Dave > Had a feeling Marcus was on the wrong tack Except sadly he isn't as you will discover(y). I parked my 4xFord next door to an identical reg. Disco last week. The Disco had the worst case of tinworm that I have ever seen. Land Rover should be ashamed of themselves. Signature"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 >Three engineers were sitting down to a quiet beer in the bar one night. >They were from Toyota, General Motors and Land Rover so the [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Steve G Get a Unimog! SignatureChris Morriss > Get a Unimog! Pinzgauer! SignatureFor every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert >> Get a Unimog! > > Pinzgauer! JCB Fastrac!! Huw > JCB Fastrac!! LOL. Hell of a size garage required! SignatureBudgie NB Reply to newsgroup. Email address will get you nowhere. >> JCB Fastrac!! > > LOL. Hell of a size garage required! Garage is option at extra cost. You may laugh but the Fastrac is outstanding value as an used buy. It is probably the highest depreciating large tractor on the British market and is a sensible option for nutters like us. Think of the fun you could have. Huw > JCB Fastrac!! Far too big! Which is also my main complaint against the Unimog.. Pinzgauer 6x6 isn't much bigger than a Landy 110. You can also get Pinz's for 6 grand and upwards.. Lovely! SignatureFor every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert >> JCB Fastrac!! > > Far too big! Which is also my main complaint against the Unimog.. > Pinzgauer 6x6 isn't much bigger than a Landy 110. You can also get > Pinz's for 6 grand and upwards.. Lovely! Too big? Too big for what? It's smaller than an ocean liner. Smaller than a jumbo jet. Smaller than an articulated lorry. Smaller even than an average tipper truck. Indeed I view it as positively compact without a trailer behind. It is fast, comfortable, durable, versatile, economical, reliable and the four-wheel-steer ones are even manoeuvrable. It is used extensively and is proven transport along narrow country roads. Spares are generally cheap and plentiful. It has an income potential. It may be slightly bigger than a 110 but it complements one nicely, so what more could you possibly want? Huw > Too big? Too big for what? It's smaller than an ocean liner. Smaller > than a jumbo jet. Smaller than an articulated lorry. Smaller even > than an average tipper truck. Indeed I view it as positively compact > without a trailer behind. Something that stands a cat's chance in hell of fitting down a green lane would be nice... Without tearing itself a whole new one of course. As for it being smaller than an ocean liner, articulated lorry etc, that's about all it's smaller than... Pinz 6x6 is almost perfect, lots of traction, good ground clearance, small enough to fit down a lane and fast enough for long trips, sort of anyway.. The Fastrac might be "fast" by tractor standards but I wouldn't fancy driving one from Dorset to the west coast of Scotland for example. How about a Challenger 2? SignatureFor every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert >> Too big? Too big for what? It's smaller than an ocean liner. Smaller >> than a jumbo jet. Smaller than an articulated lorry. Smaller even [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > lane would be nice... Without tearing itself a whole new one of > course. Not having been down such a lane myself, it sounds like they could well do with a lane widening scheme. More income potential from the Fastrac perhaps? > As for it being smaller than an ocean liner, articulated lorry etc, > that's about all it's smaller than... Nah! It's smaller than a football stadium, an average tower block, certainly doesn't need a 'wide load' escort or even a long vehicle sign at the back. > Pinz 6x6 is almost perfect, lots of traction, good ground clearance, > small enough to fit down a lane and fast enough for long trips, sort > of anyway.. The Fastrac might be "fast" by tractor standards but I > wouldn't fancy driving one from Dorset to the west coast of Scotland > for example. Fastrac were built for 80kph and most do 65kph legally. > How about a Challenger 2? Now you are being silly :-) Huw > Not having been down such a lane myself, it sounds like they could > well do with a lane widening scheme. More income potential from the > Fastrac perhaps? After going down just about any lane in a fastrac, I doubt that anything else would use it again, including any vegetation! Would certainly solve the overgrowth problem... Just stamp it all into the ground! A Pinz won't wreck the lanes it can fit down, and a computer contractor who goes green-laning in a tractor would look far more of a nerd than one who goes in a pinz 6x6, or at least so I think.. A haflinger would be nice of course, nifty little buggies, and you can even get flotation kits for them, I'll bet your fastrac can't float! >> How about a Challenger 2? > > Now you are being silly :-) Yeah I suppose so, couldn't see any cup-holders in them after all.. SignatureFor every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert >> Not having been down such a lane myself, it sounds like they could >> well do with a lane widening scheme. More income potential from the [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >Yeah I suppose so, couldn't see any cup-holders in them after all.. How big are the Pinzgauers (in 4W and 6W versions) compared to a Land Rover 101? And can you get bits for the Pinzs in the UK? Including bits for the strange air-cooled engine. SignatureChris Morriss > How big are the Pinzgauers (in 4W and 6W versions) compared to a Land > Rover 101? I'm not sure WRT to the 101, specs compared to a 110 are as follows; The Pinz is not quite as tall as a 110, 2045mm versus 2076mm. It's 1,800mm wide versus 110's 1,790mm. The Pinz 4x4 has a wheelbase of 90 inches or so, but has longer overhangs than a Defender 90 so is slightly longer, about the same length as a 110 (4,528mm versus CSW length of 4,599mm). The 6x6 is 5,308mm long in comparison. The payload of the 4x4 version is 1,400kg, 6x6 can carry 2,400kg. More info on http://www.pinzgauer.uk.com/ > And can you get bits for the Pinzs in the UK? Including bits for the > strange air-cooled engine. You can get bits quite readily but they are expensive, the engine is specific to the Pinz so replacing one can be pricey but I don't know how much relative to something like replacing a 300TDi engine. Not sure how expensive a 101 engine is, but old V8s probably don't cost a lot. New Pinzgauers aren't really available to members of the public yet (apart from scrapped ex-army ones) but they have a water-cooled turbodiesel engine from a Golf. Not sure if they can be retrofitted to older Pinz's. The main weakness with the Pinz IMHO is that they don't lend themselves to the kind of extreme customisation that you see with Defenders, mostly huge wheels and suspension lifts, the suspension is connected directly to the tube backbone chassis so there's no real room for change there. Pretty much anything else goes apart from big wheel conversions but the pinz has portal axles and extreme axle travel already so all but the most determined bigfoot-clones should be happy with it as it is. On the plus side, the pinz has a single strong tube chassis which also houses the driveshafts and diffs, and the swing-arm axles are also tubes that go straight down to the portal axle drop-gears and so there are no exposed drive-train elements at all, it's all sealed up inside strong structural elements. The build quality on the Pinz is apparently fantastic, not really assessed it on that yet. 20 year old machines are almost identical to much more recent machines and most have been serviced by armies so are in excellent condition. Prices start at about 6K for a 4x4 but more realistic prices are 8K, I've seen a 20 year old one that was basically brand new but that one was going for 16K which was well overpriced. For British sales and parts, a good site is; http://www.haflingertechnik.com/ They're based in Scotland. I'd love one! SignatureFor every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert >> How big are the Pinzgauers (in 4W and 6W versions) compared to a Land >> Rover 101? [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > >I'd love one! Interesting, but the prices of some of the spare parts on that website are high. I think I'll stick with getting an Ibex as my next 4x4. SignatureChris Morriss > Interesting, but the prices of some of the spare parts on that > website are high. I think I'll stick with getting an Ibex as my > next 4x4. I can't see what significant advantages an Ibex offers over a landy. It's a tricked-up Defender with a bodykit basically. The pinz is another league of off-roader, which is what I like about them, built like tanks, excellent clearance, extremely strong and reliable with an enormous track record. Parts are expensive but they've been built to need as few as possible, even so far as using an air-cooled engine to reduce complexity. One thing about the pinz that I'm not keen on is the use of drum brakes on the earlier ones, I've seen a set of drum shoes on a series landy shredded by gritty slop in the space of a few hours, I'd have to look into what they've done about that if I decided to spring for one, although having said that I've not driven extensively in gritty slop for many years now. SignatureFor every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert >> Interesting, but the prices of some of the spare parts on that >> website are high. I think I'll stick with getting an Ibex as my [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >although having said that I've not driven extensively in gritty slop >for many years now. No, an Ibex throws away the LR chassis for a 3D spaceframe (as far as I can see from having a good look at a SWB one in the local supermarket car park) They are a lot more damage resistant than a standard LR, have less front and rear overhang, and come in a variety of different wheelbases. SignatureChris Morriss > No, an Ibex throws away the LR chassis for a 3D spaceframe (as far > as I can see from having a good look at a SWB one in the local > supermarket car park) They are a lot more damage resistant than a > standard LR, have less front and rear overhang, and come in a > variety of different wheelbases. Sure but it still has the same ground clearance and similar suspension setup, the pinz is a completely different beast, especially the 6x6, which is the one I'd like ;-) For mud-plugging I don't see what a spaceframe adds, and whacking large wheels on a 90 will increase clearance and reduce overhangs, which is why I've never really been much interested in Ibex's. A 90 with fat wheels and uprated axles/suspension would fulfil the role better IHMO. You could think of the pinz as a small Unimog. The pinz is designed to fill the 1-tonne-payload-offroad niche that the 101FC used to occupy, the Ibex is kind of halfway between a stock Defender and a Bowler Wildcat, I suspect that you and I want different things from our off-roaders so we're not likely to agree on which one's the better as they're not designed to fulfil the same role. I for example want load space in the back which is why I bought a 110 rather than a 90. One of the things I love most about the pinz is the combined drivetrain and suspension setup, the bare chassis looks like a demented stick-insect with all the sensitive bits tucked away, it's just a shame they couldn't have tucked the steering rods away too :-( I wonder if I could sandwich a Porsche engine in there.... SignatureFor every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert >> Get a Unimog! > Pinzgauer! Haflinger! >>> Get a Unimog! > >> Pinzgauer! > > Haflinger! Trials bike! SignatureFor every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert >>>> Get a Unimog! >>> Pinzgauer! >> Haflinger! > Trials bike! www.2cv4x4.com ! >>>>> Get a Unimog! > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > www.2cv4x4.com ! Shanks pony! SignatureFor every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert Adrian jelled: > >> Get a Unimog! > > > Pinzgauer! > > Haflinger! Won't get my rig. Nope. > Adrian jelled: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Won't get my rig. Nope. This thread is getting a little esoteric so how about an OshKosh HMTT http://www.ittia.com/images/news/oshkosh_hmtt_a3.jpg if you get stuck you can always carry a few of the other options on the load bed and its big enough to drive over most narrow lanes I was fortunate enough to see a pair while delivering they made my merc 7tonner look like a fiat panda, impressive ramp angles and 8 wheel drive nice Derek SteveG <"s.goodfellow"@blueyonder dot> wrote: hehe fantastic I haven't heard that one before now how do I get it printed and stuck on the side of the wifes freelander > Three engineers were sitting down to a quiet beer in the bar one night. > They were from Toyota, General Motors and Land Rover so the conversation [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >> Best advice is not to worry about fuel bills buy German or Japanese to >> ensure the Discovery repair bills don't bankrupt you. JD schrieb: > SteveG <"s.goodfellow"@blueyonder dot> wrote: > > hehe fantastic I haven't heard that one before now how do I get it > printed and stuck on the side of the wifes freelander > >....that if the others werent going to take the challenge > > seriously then neither was he. Leave it.... Once you get stuck no one will pull you out. Axel Dave, can I suggest that this question would be better posed on alt.fan.landrover where you get sensible responses without having to sift through the "Discovery is rubbish ... buy German or Japanese" drivel that tends to be espoused here. Regards Steve G > Hi > Need advice, which is best all round. > Dico TDi or V8 with LPG > > Cheers Oh Well, don't say no one warned you about the Solihull Sad Wagon when it craps out on ya !. SignatureMarcus I like people, they are bio-degradable !. Sorry Marcus, I've had 3 Discoverys, none of which have crapped out on me. I wish I could say the same about the Land Cruiser, Shogun or M5 Regards Steve G > Oh Well, don't say no one warned you about the Solihull Sad Wagon when it > craps out on ya !. 110 7 years old would'nt change for anything else even new 110. Everyone to his own and a good look around will show the number of old Japs and old LR around, think I'll stick to mine. Ta !! > Sorry Marcus, I've had 3 Discoverys, none of which have crapped out on > me. I wish I could say the same about the Land Cruiser, Shogun or M5 [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Oh Well, don't say no one warned you about the Solihull Sad Wagon when it > > craps out on ya !. |
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