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Budgie - 07 Jun 2005 16:27 GMT
Come on then - does anyone have any fuel consumption figures for the
following, solo and towing?

1995 Mitsubishi Pajero 2.8TD Auto (or Shogun)
1996 Isuzu Bighorn 3.1D Auto (or Trooper)
1996 Nissan Mistral 2.7TD Auto (or Terrano/Maverick)

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David Grierson - 07 Jun 2005 16:46 GMT
> Come on then - does anyone have any fuel consumption figures for the
> following, solo and towing?
>
> 1995 Mitsubishi Pajero 2.8TD Auto (or Shogun)
> 1996 Isuzu Bighorn 3.1D Auto (or Trooper)

3.0D manual import Trooper (solo - mainly motorways) ~ 27mpg

don't have figures for towing yet.

> 1996 Nissan Mistral 2.7TD Auto (or Terrano/Maverick)
Andrew Kay - 07 Jun 2005 22:35 GMT
"David Grierson"
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>> Come on then - does anyone have any fuel consumption figures for the
>> following, solo and towing?
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> don't have figures for towing yet.

FWIW, my 3.0D UK Spec Trooper gets (over the last 65,000 miles):

Solo:  Overall ~ 26mpg+
Solo:  Motorway at 70mph ~ 28mpg+
Solo:  Mostly town ~ 24mpg
Solo:  Mostly country A roads ~ 30-33mpg

Towing:  worst ever ~ 19mpg
Towing:  typical ~ 23mpg

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Dave Fawthrop - 07 Jun 2005 19:04 GMT
| Come on then - does anyone have any fuel consumption figures for the
| following, solo and towing?
|
| 1995 Mitsubishi Pajero 2.8TD Auto (or Shogun)
| 1996 Isuzu Bighorn 3.1D Auto (or Trooper)
| 1996 Nissan Mistral 2.7TD Auto (or Terrano/Maverick)

Well I am well satisfied with my Skoda Fabia 1.9l TDI Estate, bags of power
to spare.
60mpg solo,  30mpg towing.   Both at the appropriate speed limits.

Beat that ;-)

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Ken Fraser - 07 Jun 2005 20:37 GMT
> | Come on then - does anyone have any fuel consumption figures for the
> | following, solo and towing?
> |
> | 1995 Mitsubishi Pajero 2.8TD Auto (or Shogun)
> | 1996 Isuzu Bighorn 3.1D Auto (or Trooper)
> | 1996 Nissan Mistral 2.7TD Auto (or Terrano/Maverick)

I can help with the Bighorn. I had a 1994 3.1td auto swb. Solo on trip
around 25-26. Towing - measured from Scottish Highlands to Northampton
sticking to speed limits - 15.5 mpg. Superbly stable, but just couldn't
afford to keep filling it up, plus servicing was expensive.
Sold and replaced with Vectra 2td which does a good job - 30mpg towing.
Hope this helps
Regards
Ken
Pete M - 07 Jun 2005 21:32 GMT
In news:d84t15$jje$1@nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com,
Ken Fraser <ken.fraser2@btopenworld.com> decided to enlighten our sheltered
souls with a rant as follows
>>> Come on then - does anyone have any fuel consumption figures for the
>>> following, solo and towing?
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Sold and replaced with Vectra 2td which does a good job - 30mpg
> towing. Hope this helps

Nearest I can get is this

Range Rover 3.9 Vogue, Liverpool to Zakynthos (Greece), towing approx 4 tons
at approx 60 mph.
1400 miles, 140 gallons of fuel.
Do the maths :-S

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Alex Threlfall - 08 Jun 2005 01:53 GMT
> In news:d84t15$jje$1@nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com,
> Ken Fraser <ken.fraser2@btopenworld.com> decided to enlighten our sheltered
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> 1400 miles, 140 gallons of fuel.
> Do the maths :-S

Does that include the boat journey or not :o)
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Pete M - 08 Jun 2005 02:25 GMT
In news:MPG.1d1051d8f85af9509896da@news-text.blueyonder.co.uk,
Alex Threlfall <alex@nospam.cyberprog.net> decided to enlighten our
sheltered souls with a rant as follows
>> In news:d84t15$jje$1@nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com,
>> Ken Fraser <ken.fraser2@btopenworld.com> decided to enlighten our
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>>
> Does that include the boat journey or not :o)

Liverpool - Hull - ferry to Rotterdam - by road to Ancona - ferry to
Patras - Patras to some other god forsaken bit of Greece - Ferry to
Zakynthos.

Unfortunately, the chap I was sharing the driving with managed to lose his
way somewhere in France and take us around 100-150 miles out of the way
while I was asleep.

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Conor - 08 Jun 2005 18:06 GMT
>  Towing - measured from Scottish Highlands to Northampton
> sticking to speed limits - 15.5 mpg.

BLOODY HELL. Use a 7.5 tonner and save 30% on fuel!

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phk - 09 Jun 2005 08:52 GMT
> Well I am well satisfied with my Skoda Fabia 1.9l TDI Estate, bags of
> power
> to spare.
> 60mpg solo,  30mpg towing.   Both at the appropriate speed limits.

You are driving too fast. I do 34 mpg when towing at 50mph with a 1,3T
caravan in my 1.9 TDI Golf  TDI.

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jim.johnson - 09 Jun 2005 18:09 GMT
>> Well I am well satisfied with my Skoda Fabia 1.9l TDI Estate, bags of
>> power
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> You are driving too fast. I do 34 mpg when towing at 50mph with a 1,3T
> caravan in my 1.9 TDI Golf  TDI.

What  does 1.3T mean - 1300kgs? In which case what is the weight limit for
towing with a Golf GTi

Jim
DervMan - 09 Jun 2005 20:09 GMT
>> Well I am well satisfied with my Skoda Fabia 1.9l TDI Estate, bags of
>> power
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> You are driving too fast. I do 34 mpg when towing at 50mph with a 1,3T
> caravan in my 1.9 TDI Golf  TDI.

Speed is only one aspect of fuel consumption.

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Simon Hawthorne - 07 Jun 2005 22:21 GMT
>1995 Mitsubishi Pajero 2.8TD Auto (or Shogun)

2.8 manual Shogun - 25 solo, 16 towing (1600kgs caravan)
2.5 Pajero Auto - 24 solo 15 towing (1400kgs)

Simon
R L Driver - 08 Jun 2005 16:26 GMT
> Come on then - does anyone have any fuel consumption figures for the
> following, solo and towing?
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> My mates land cruiser amazon 4.2 turbo diesel  does 25 mpg seemingly
constantly, whether towing or not we did a trip from
the tip of South Wales to Aberdeen ( its a long way, just over 1000 miles)
and back towing a 6 metre car trailer one way with a 25 cwt vehicle on it
cost £160 in diesel . Its had an Allard Turbos  intercooler about the size
of a tennis court , but no turbo mods, EGR disconnected.
Tim Adlam - 09 Jun 2005 11:50 GMT
>>Come on then - does anyone have any fuel consumption figures for the
>>following, solo and towing?
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> cost £160 in diesel . Its had an Allard Turbos  intercooler about the size
> of a tennis court , but no turbo mods, EGR disconnected.

How does a Tdi or Td5 Dicovery do on journeys like these?

Tim
Dave Liquorice - 09 Jun 2005 13:56 GMT
> How does a Tdi or Td5 Dicovery do on journeys like these?

Solo, I have nothing to tow, in a Td5 I get just over 25mpg tootleing
about locally and nearly 30mpg on a longer run on motorways with the
cruise set to just over 60mph.

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Alex Threlfall - 09 Jun 2005 22:41 GMT
> >>Come on then - does anyone have any fuel consumption figures for the
> >>following, solo and towing?
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> Tim

Solo in my 300TDI i'm getting about ~28mpg doing mainly motorway/fast a
roads.
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Tony Penner - 10 Jun 2005 05:08 GMT
I also had a 300 tdi, couldnt tell you what it did on long runs because it
kept braking down, but it had cracking consumtion on the back of a AA Relay
wagon!

Got a Volvo S80 D5 now 35 mpg Towing.

>> >>Come on then - does anyone have any fuel consumption figures for the
>> >>following, solo and towing?
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> Solo in my 300TDI i'm getting about ~28mpg doing mainly motorway/fast a
> roads.
Tim.. - 10 Jun 2005 23:29 GMT
> I also had a 300 tdi, couldnt tell you what it did on long runs because it
> kept braking down, but it had cracking consumtion on the back of a AA Relay
> wagon!

The D5 is quite quite amazingly economical (apart from when in the XC90)
Mates 54 plate S60 chipped (195bhp and 400ft/lbs ) is averaging 46.1mpg,
driven mainly fast A roads and occasional motorways.

Tim..
Tim S Kemp - 10 Jun 2005 23:49 GMT
>> I also had a 300 tdi, couldnt tell you what it did on long runs
>> because it kept braking down, but it had cracking consumtion on the
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Tim..

Sounds about right - must admit to be thinking about the dark side for my
next one - chipped diseasels are definitely challenging petrol motors these
days. Still can't keep up with me though.

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DervMan - 11 Jun 2005 00:31 GMT
>>> I also had a 300 tdi, couldnt tell you what it did on long runs
>>> because it kept braking down, but it had cracking consumtion on the
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> next one - chipped diseasels are definitely challenging petrol motors
> these days. Still can't keep up with me though.

Okay Tim, you drive a D5 and I'll drive your car...  see if you can keep up?
:)

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Ian Rawlings - 10 Jun 2005 15:09 GMT
> Solo in my 300TDI i'm getting about ~28mpg doing mainly motorway/fast a
> roads.

In my 300TDi Defender with Fearns intercooler I seem to be getting MPG
between 27-38!  It's got a ragtop so lighter than the metal top, and
it's a pickup so no trim or soundproofing.  I've got the 38MPG figures
marked down as "suspect" because it seems too high to me, but it's all
done on the same spreadsheet as other cars I have and it's working out
fine for them.  I use the same methods to calculate mileage but 38MPG
out of a 300TDi Defender does seem OTT...

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Autolycus - 15 Jun 2005 08:04 GMT
>>>Come on then - does anyone have any fuel consumption figures for the
>>>following, solo and towing?
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>>
>> constantly, whether towing or not
<snip>

> How does a Tdi or Td5 Dicovery do on journeys like these?

I've kept records of all my fuel for a year now with my 200tdi Auto
Rangey, and it's averaged just over 27.5mpg overall. Over half of that
has been towing a car transporter trailer, weighing anything from 650kg
(tare) to 2600kg (Bentley S1), and almost all the solo stuff has been
pootling around town, though I've just completed two longish solo
motorway trips at 60-70mph and got between 33 and 34mpg on them both.  I
also got so bored on these trips that I calibrated my speedo and
odometer against the marker posts - the speedo was 2mph fast at 60, but
the odometer was within 1%.

The other posts have confirmed how relatively poor the JapCraps'
consumption is, though the annual cost difference disappears into the
noise of total running cost once you include depreciation and
repair/service costs.

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Keith - 10 Jun 2005 07:59 GMT
>> My mates land cruiser amazon 4.2 turbo diesel  does 25 mpg seemingly
> constantly, whether towing or not we did a trip from
> the tip of South Wales to Aberdeen ( its a long way, just over 1000 miles)
> and back towing a 6 metre car trailer one way with a 25 cwt vehicle on it
> cost £160 in diesel . Its had an Allard Turbos  intercooler about the size
> of a tennis court , but no turbo mods, EGR disconnected.

What year is your mates Landcruiser Amazon.

Keith
Tony Penner - 11 Jun 2005 03:28 GMT
what chip has your mates D5 got or was the ECU remapped and by whom?

>>> My mates land cruiser amazon 4.2 turbo diesel  does 25 mpg seemingly
>> constantly, whether towing or not we did a trip from
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Keith
 
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