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Hi all .. Just a chance that someone may consider swapping their landrover :-) for my Ssangyong Korando .......S reg 3 owners from new. Korando has 115K on the clock 60k of that I have put on on 3yrs. T&T .. new discs on rear well shod. No obvious problems .. or to my knowledge No other problems. 2.9 n/a diesel ... no dings, bangs, etc. stone chip to windscreen ( been there for 3yrs ) and a key scratch some Ba**ard put on the first day I owned it. Nice 4x4 clean and not offroaded ( used daily to get to work and back )... usual Ssangyong refinements :-) No clunks,clicks,knocks or other indication of any problems gearbox or transmission or engine... clean burning .. Last MOT the tester thaught his emmission tester had gone dead as there was no reading of significance. I love this car ... so why do I want to get rid of it? SIMPLE ... I want to offroad again!! I can buy a townie to travell to work :-) I am looking for the "best landrover" offered ALL will be considered ... prefer 90/defender .. 110 same .. rangie.. must be road legal T&T Age immaterial ... body work clean at least .. not bothered about dings etc. Sorry .. only Landrover product considered. NOW FOR THE FUNNY BIT ..... I have enough chocolate buttons... I dont want to accept cash .. despite offers of 50p+ unless the offer will allow me to buy a Landy I may consider your wife / girlfried .. if she has less mileage than the Korando and she is great in the rough :-)) .. * standing back and waiting to be swamped with offers * Regards Graham aka Nivaone you ARE on crack arnt you?! ->SIMPLE ... I want to offroad again!! ->I can buy a townie to travell to work :-) -> Hi Graham, buy a Suzuki and a A frame, makes a lot more sense. Offroad toy you don't need to keep legal and you can travel to and from a event in the comfort of your Sssssaaannnyyyyyoooonggg (SP?)  SignatureGeoff www.anoraks.uk.net > Hi Graham, buy a Suzuki and a A frame, makes a lot more sense. > Offroad toy you don't need to keep legal You'd need to be legal for an A-frame shirley? Also most cheap one-day events frequented by the weekend off-roader need a road-legal vehicle, as does green laning. > and you can travel to and from a event > in the comfort of your Sssssaaannnyyyyyoooonggg (SP?) I think he just wants shot of the thing, and who can blame him? Maybe someone with a Freelander will swap with him. Or he could put some spinner hubs on it, swap the name badges for Buick ones and sell it to some twerp down the local estates. SignatureFor every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert ->On 2005-07-15, Geoff <grt@DELETEanoraks.uk.net> wrote: -> ->> Hi Graham, buy a Suzuki and a A frame, makes a lot more sense. ->> Offroad toy you don't need to keep legal -> ->You'd need to be legal for an A-frame shirley? Not if it's a braked A frame. ->Also most cheap one-day events frequented by the weekend off-roader Not the case, tho it will be soon I'm sure. ->need a road-legal vehicle, as does green laning. True. SignatureGeoff www.anoraks.uk.net > ->> Hi Graham, buy a Suzuki and a A frame, makes a lot more sense. > ->> Offroad toy you don't need to keep legal > ->You'd need to be legal for an A-frame shirley? > Not if it's a braked A frame. AIUI, you'd need a braked A-frame because of the Suzi's weight (over 750kg max laden), but if there's ANY wheels of the car being towed on the ground, then it does need to be taxed/MOTd/insured, as it's still a vehicle being recovered not a trailer. Only way around that would be to trailer it - which would make far more sense on a number of levels anyway. Braked A-frames aren't as common as unbraked ones. If the wheels are on the ground, you'll still be rotating the Suzi's drivetrain - and if that's full of water in the oil, you'll still be shafting everything properly. If you've broken the Suzi's drivetrain, or bent it, or even run out of tyres that'll hold air, you're stuffed - you can't tow it home. With a proper trailer, no matter what you do to the Suzi, as long as you can collect most of the bits into a rough pile and strap 'em down, you've got it home. > With a proper trailer, no matter what you do to the Suzi, as long as > you can collect most of the bits into a rough pile and strap 'em > down, you've got it home. Like the style. B-) SignatureCheers new5pam@howhill.com Dave. pam is missing e-mail ->Geoff (grt@DELETEanoraks.uk.net) gurgled happily, sounding much like ->they were saying : -> ->> ->> Hi Graham, buy a Suzuki and a A frame, makes a lot more sense. ->> ->> Offroad toy you don't need to keep legal -> ->> ->You'd need to be legal for an A-frame shirley? -> ->> Not if it's a braked A frame. -> ->AIUI, you'd need a braked A-frame because of the Suzi's weight (over 750kg ->max laden), but if there's ANY wheels of the car being towed on the ground, ->then it does need to be taxed/MOTd/insured, as it's still a vehicle being ->recovered not a trailer. If the A frame is braked then it turns the vehicle into a trailer. ->Only way around that would be to trailer it - which would make far more ->sense on a number of levels anyway. True. ->Braked A-frames aren't as common as unbraked ones. True. ->If the wheels are on the ground, you'll still be rotating the Suzi's ->drivetrain - and if that's full of water in the oil, you'll still be ->shafting everything properly. Transfer case in neutral or remove the prop depending on what you break, if you loose a wheel bearing you are screwed, tho the same applies if you have a trailer but that is what the AA are for. ->With a proper trailer, no matter what you do to the Suzi, as long as you ->can collect most of the bits into a rough pile and strap 'em down, you've ->got it home. True, my current toy is a Range Rover, with it's weight and that of the trailer it makes for quite a heavy load to drag about, and this time of year means I can't run the air con in the tow vehicle ;-) SignatureGeoff www.anoraks.uk.net > ->If the wheels are on the ground, you'll still be rotating the Suzi's > ->drivetrain - and if that's full of water in the oil, you'll still be > ->shafting everything properly. > Transfer case in neutral or remove the prop depending on what you > break, Unless you have four free-wheel hubs on it, you'll still be spinning the driveshafts and diffs. If you put the transfer case in Neutral, then you'll still be spinning the output side of the transfer case. If the mischevious little underwater oil-seal fairies have been at it again, you'll be running the transfer box on what will look suspiciously like double cream. This is not good for boxes. If you've got a bit of water in the wheel bearings, then it could make the difference between regreasing them and replacing them. > if you loose a wheel bearing you are screwed, tho the same > applies if you have a trailer Eh? How come? > but that is what the AA are for. If you can't limp the Suzi to good enough access to get it to your own trailer, the AA certainly won't want to know. > my current toy is a Range Rover, with it's weight and that of the trailer > it makes for quite a heavy load to drag about, and this time of year > means I can't run the air con in the tow vehicle ;-) And this is why small, lightweight toys are so good... I can lob the 4x4 2cv on a trailer on the back of my XM and tow it legally. ->Geoff (grt@DELETEanoraks.uk.net) gurgled happily, sounding much like ->they were saying : ->> Transfer case in neutral or remove the prop depending on what you ->> break, -> ->Unless you have four free-wheel hubs on it, you'll still be spinning the ->driveshafts and diffs. If you put the transfer case in Neutral, then you'll ->still be spinning the output side of the transfer case. If the mischevious ->little underwater oil-seal fairies have been at it again, you'll be running ->the transfer box on what will look suspiciously like double cream. This is ->not good for boxes. In all my years of abusing Suzuki's I never had anything other then EP90 in the transfer case, and only ever broke one and that was after it had put up with years of having to put up with more then twice the amount of torque it was designed for. Blew quite a few diffs, but only one went in such a way as to lock the rear axle, took the diff out and drove home in front wheel drive, did knacker the rear wheel bearings tho. ->If you've got a bit of water in the wheel bearings, then it could make the ->difference between regreasing them and replacing them. -> ->> if you loose a wheel bearing you are screwed, tho the same ->> applies if you have a trailer -> ->Eh? How come? Trailers have bearings, true they don't get as much abuse but I've get to goto a site without getting the trailer wheels covered in crud. ->> but that is what the AA are for. -> ->If you can't limp the Suzi to good enough access to get it to your own ->trailer, the AA certainly won't want to know. No but if you get to the road and call them because your "trailer" has had a wheel bearing failure then they should take your trailer home. Well that is the theory, the practice may be a bit different ! ->> my current toy is a Range Rover, with it's weight and that of the trailer ->> it makes for quite a heavy load to drag about, and this time of year ->> means I can't run the air con in the tow vehicle ;-) -> ->And this is why small, lightweight toys are so good... I can lob the 4x4 ->2cv on a trailer on the back of my XM and tow it legally. I have a trailer and A-Frame, I can legally put the Range Rover on the trailer but I prefer to use the A-Frame. There was a 4WD 2cv at Slab a couple of weeks ago, was that you ? SignatureGeoff www.anoraks.uk.net > There was a 4WD 2cv at Slab a couple of weeks ago, was that you ? No, it wasn't. Where's Slab? Streetmap suggests near Bordon? If that one, then was it a Purple one? ->Geoff (grt@DELETEanoraks.uk.net) gurgled happily, sounding much like ->they were saying : -> ->> There was a 4WD 2cv at Slab a couple of weeks ago, was that you ? -> ->No, it wasn't. -> ->Where's Slab? Streetmap suggests near Bordon? If that one, then was it a ->Purple one? Near Bordon yes. No it was red, didn't get that close a look at it, from a distance it may have had two engines and a lot of suspension travel. SignatureGeoff www.anoraks.uk.net "Ian Rawlings" wrote in message > I think he just wants shot of the thing, and who can blame him? Maybe > someone with a Freelander will swap with him. Or he could put some > spinner hubs on it, swap the name badges for Buick ones and sell it to > some twerp down the local estates. NO .. I like the car :-) The reason I want to swap it is ... BECAUSE I WANT TO GO OFFROAD ... again IF I damage the Korando ( which is to good to take offroad ) It will cost an arm and a leg to repair...and I cant aford to buy even a play toy ... or A frame Geoff :-( Q.. Have you driven a Korando? no? Neither had I till I bought mine .. Drives like a dream .. doesnt owe me a penny .. 30+ to the gallon ....... AND I want a Landrover ..again .. dirty smelly unreliable ..and a uncomfortable :-) but I want one ... ... Mmmm may be I am on crack! OR maybe I keep the Korando and sell my sole to the devil ( bank manager ) and get a loan ... then buy a Landy? an jus fer the record ... also had 3 Niva's,Suzuki SJ,Suzuki Samuri, Landy 90,Landy SeriesII, Lada Saloon, Renault4 van, Lambretta 200, Honda CM125,... So you see I'm used to being laughed at :-)) Regards Nivaone > Q.. Have you driven a Korando? > no? > > Neither had I till I bought mine .. And now you want rid. Says it all really! Nivaone came up with the following;: > Hi all .. > Just a chance that someone may consider swapping their landrover :-) > for my Ssangyong Korando .......S reg 3 owners from new. Any idea what the book value is ? Any idea what the perceived value is? > I am looking for the "best landrover" offered ALL will be considered ... > prefer 90/defender .. 110 same .. rangie.. must be road legal T&T > Age immaterial ... body work clean at least .. not bothered about dings > etc. Same questions as above, then consider who might, and why anyone would, want to swap even a Shite Old Landrover for yours. (I can't even type the name) SignaturePaul ... (8(|) Homer Rules ..... Doh !!! According to TOTAL OFFROAD .. the prices for a 2.9D Korando is Basic = £3750 Good = £4500 - £7250 A1 = £8000 I will assume these are trade in prices so I will say mine is Basic .. and a cash price of £2500 ... and why would anyone want to swap a shite old landrover for mine ? who knows ... somebody might ... like I KNOW WHY I want to "get rid of it" .. How many times do I have to say it ... because I want to offroad AGAIN and the Korando is too good to damage. But hey ... You dont want to swap .. so no problem ... but at least I ask and someone may want to .. after all some people buy landys .. and look at the flack they get !! and dont forget ... someone will buy just about any 4x4 if the price is right for them .. Suki's Lada's Panda's Rockster's ... do I need to go on.. Nah! And just to finish ... my original post says " Just a chance that someone may consider swapping their landrover " Regards Nivaone ... sits back and awaits even more silly comments ! > Nivaone came up with the following;: > > Hi all .. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Same questions as above, then consider who might, and why anyone would, want > to swap even a Shite Old Landrover for yours. (I can't even type the name) > How many times do I have to say it ... because I want to offroad AGAIN and > the Korando is too good to damage. That's a shite excuse, given the value of it, you may as well offroad it. Unless of course what you are tryi9ng to say is that it's shite off road, in which case why would anyone want to swap a capable off-roader for a car that is neither good on road nor off it? I take a nicely painted 4xFord off road most days of the week, it's larger and more glossy than the Korando and it's not "too good to damage'. Signature"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 WHY? does STEVE FIRTH think he knows me better than I do ? WHY does STEVE FIRTH think he knows I am making an "excuse" What represents value to you may NOT be what represents value to me .. STEVE you are entitled to your opinions and I to mine. I have my opinions of 4xFords... but I will not attack your choice .. because it is your choice !! I have been "offroading for almost ten years ( no doubt you will have an opinion on that as well ) I have met lots of people on this newsgroup and appreciated the friendship .. but this news group is now going the same way as C.B. radio ... more idiots than genuine contributers to the group! It seem that more and more people are becoming more intollerent of other peoples "choices" and readily attack rather than encourage the sport/hobby. ... and no doubt your is bigger and glossy than the Korando ..... and you feel it is not to good to damage ...that again is probably down to your value criteria. I wish you well offroading the 4xFord and hope you can afford to pay for repairs ... It really is a pity this NG is going to the dogs .. I will NEVER AGAIN POST TO THIS NEWS GROUP. Nivaone > > How many times do I have to say it ... because I want to offroad AGAIN and > > the Korando is too good to damage. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > larger and more glossy than the Korando and it's not "too good to > damage'. ->It really is a pity this NG is going to the dogs .. I will NEVER AGAIN POST ->TO THIS NEWS GROUP. Sadly Graham this group has been going to the dogs for some time, I only check it from time to time and very rarely post, the same is true of most usenet groups now. Funny how it's the same names that appear over and over again stirring up the trouble, this did used to be a fun place to be, and one where the regulars used to meet in real life for offroading and beer, I guess those that have ruined it have no real life so they ruin it for those of us that do. Sad innit, I know you've had a tough time of it of late Graham so I hope you find your Land Rover and enjoy using it offroad. SignatureGeoff www.anoraks.uk.net > I will NEVER AGAIN POST TO THIS NEWS GROUP. Don't let the door hit your arse. Do you always have a hissy fit when someone disagrees with you? Signature"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 THIS IS MY LAST POST .... STEVE FIRTH ...... f.ck OFF > > I will NEVER AGAIN POST TO THIS NEWS GROUP. > > Don't let the door hit your arse. > > Do you always have a hissy fit when someone disagrees with you? > THIS IS MY LAST POST .... > > STEVE FIRTH ...... f.ck OFF If you don't want to read his posts, it's simple - KILLFILE HIM, YOU CRETIN. > THIS IS MY LAST POST .... > > STEVE FIRTH ...... f.ck OFF You said the previous post was your last post. Or rather that you would never post again which amounts to the same thing, why should I believe you this time? Cue the piss-faced moaners muttering that they used to like it when all around here was trees. Signature"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 ->Cue the piss-faced moaners muttering that they used to like it when all ->around here was trees. When there was hundreds of useful posts a day, and none of them contained the vitriolic abuse of the ill informed. SignatureGeoff www.anoraks.uk.net > ->Cue the piss-faced moaners muttering that they used to like it when all > ->around here was trees. > > When there was hundreds of useful posts a day, and none of them contained the > vitriolic abuse of the ill informed. Nah, just the back-slapping vacuous rattlings of the ill-informed. Signature"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 ->Geoff <grt@DELETEanoraks.uk.net> wrote: -> ->> On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 01:30:44 +0100, %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote: ->> ->> ->Cue the piss-faced moaners muttering that they used to like it when all ->> ->around here was trees. ->> ->> When there was hundreds of useful posts a day, and none of them contained the ->> vitriolic abuse of the ill informed. -> ->Nah, just the back-slapping vacuous rattlings of the ill-informed. How very droll. SignatureGeoff www.anoraks.uk.net >->Geoff <grt@DELETEanoraks.uk.net> wrote: >-> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >How very droll. OT, I know - but why can't you spell your name 'Jeff'? It's so much more modern. SignatureR o o n e y "I always knew the entire Green party were nutters" - Ken Livingstone > That's a shite excuse, given the value of it, you may as well > offroad it. Unless of course what you are tryi9ng to say is that > it's shite off road, in which case why would anyone want to swap a > capable off-roader for a car that is neither good on road nor off > it? Ignore Steve, he was plainly abused by a landrover when a small child. > I take a nicely painted 4xFord off road most days of the week, it's > larger and more glossy than the Korando and it's not "too good to > damage'. Hmm, you off-road regularly in a nicely-painted car and it's still nicely-painted? Where is this off-roading done, on the kerb at Sainsbury's? Perhaps the OP wants to actually go off-road properly, which needs something a little more capable than a chelsea tractor. SignatureFor every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert > Ignore Steve, he was plainly abused by a landrover when a small child. Still got some growing up to do too! Signaturesimon at sbarr dot demon dot co dot uk Simon Barr. '97 110 300Tdi. > > That's a shite excuse, given the value of it, you may as well > > offroad it. Unless of course what you are tryi9ng to say is that [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Ignore Steve, he was plainly abused by a landrover when a small child. Are your reading skills hitting some all time low? I said quite the opposite of your interpretation. I pointed out that the Land Rover is capable off road and why would anyone want to swap one for a vehicle that is less capable off road and not much cop on road. > > I take a nicely painted 4xFord off road most days of the week, it's > > larger and more glossy than the Korando and it's not "too good to > > damage'. > > Hmm, you off-road regularly in a nicely-painted car and it's still > nicely-painted? Yes, there's this strange concept of a "paint shop" where one can take a vehicle and pay someone to respray it if necessary. Not TBH that it needs much or that often. Then again I'm not one of the Saturday fuckwits who flings a vehicle across green lanes at too high a speed until the vehicle breaks. > Where is this off-roading done, On my land of course. And on the approaches to it, the worst that usually happens is mild scratches that can be polished out, indeed if you keep the vehicle well polished the marks tend to be surface only. If one is a blind pillock, or one of these "Fast Show" tits who wears a John Deere cap despite never having owned a tractor, ever. The type that thinks that taking a vehicle off-road is all about throwing it down a lane a 50MPH+ straight at the nearest tree then I can understand why one would get a little precious about damage to the paintwork. > on the kerb at Sainsbury's? Perhaps the OP wants to actually go off-road > properly, which needs something a little more capable than a chelsea > tractor. The Korando isn't a "chelsea tractor" that term is reserved almost exclusively for the Range Rover which is <gasp> a Land Rover product. The Korando isn't unbelievably bad off road being not much more than a Jeep clone, it's certainly up to the Vitara standard and probably quite a bit better. It's stupidity of the highest order to claim that a Korando is "too good" to off road when it's obviously worth about ninepence. Maybe next time you may want to try correcting your rectal/oral inversion problem before you speak? Signature"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 > The Korando isn't a "chelsea tractor" Indeed. Nobody in Chelsea would be seen dead in one. > that term is reserved almost exclusively for the Range Rover Hardly. What about the Disco, X5, ML, Grand Cherokee, Lexus RX, LandCruiser Amazon, etc etc etc...? > > that term is reserved almost exclusively for the Range Rover > > Hardly. > > What about the Disco, X5, ML, Grand Cherokee, Lexus RX, LandCruiser Amazon, > etc etc etc...? Johnny cum-latelys, the Range Rover was the original Chelsea tractor. Signature"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 >> Ignore Steve, he was plainly abused by a landrover when a small child. > > Are your reading skills hitting some all time low? Errr plainly yes, I have no idea why I read that into what you wrote, must be my "Steve's off on one again" goggles getting in the way... Humbly apologise.. > I said quite the opposite of your interpretation. I pointed out that > the Land Rover is capable off road and why would anyone want to swap > one for a vehicle that is less capable off road and not much cop on > road. Sorry! <rubs soap into eyes> > Yes, there's this strange concept of a "paint shop" where one can > take a vehicle and pay someone to respray it if necessary. As the owner of an 9 year old landy I'm not familiar with the concept! It doesn't last long anyway, the worst part is the vegetation scratching the gloss of the surface in one single trip, I took a friend out after he'd painted his truck, warned him about it but he didn't believe me... until afterwards ;-) It went from gloss all over to matt all over, not just a couple of scratches but thousands of tiny ones. Mind you a shiny Series 2A looks daft anyway. > The type that thinks that taking a vehicle off-road is all about > throwing it down a lane a 50MPH+ straight at the nearest tree then I > can understand why one would get a little precious about damage to > the paintwork. Blimey, fastest I've ever been off-road is about 10MPH, 50MPH on the green lanes around here would be scary.. A chap at work said that if he went off-roading he'd just have the pedal to the metal all the time. I took him out on the road in my Defender, first corner we went round at normal speed he's scrabbling away at the dashboard in panic for something to hold onto as he thought it was tipping over! He went white as a sheet, and afterwards scornfully told me that his friend's 4x4 drives just like a car.. "What is it?" I asked expectantly. "Toyota RAV-4" he said.. > The Korando isn't a "chelsea tractor" that term is reserved almost > exclusively for the Range Rover which is <gasp> a Land Rover > product. Nah, there's plenty of pretenders to the crown, Landrover just started it with the original Range Rover, but at least back then it had some off-road potential, which the current crop have more than the competitors in the class but certainly not serious any more. > Maybe next time you may want to try correcting your rectal/oral > inversion problem before you speak? In this case yes, perhaps I should, some advice on the subjet from a master would be nice ;-) SignatureFor every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert Nivaone came up with the following;: > According to TOTAL OFFROAD .. the prices for a 2.9D Korando is > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > and a cash price of £2500 ... Heheheheh, who would pay those prices for it though ? > How many times do I have to say it ... because I want to offroad AGAIN and > the Korando is too good to damage. Korandos are, were and probably never will be, 'too good' for anything. I run a Discovery worth far more than that thing and it goes off-road just as much as any other Landrover I know (http://groups.msn.com/LosiPaulsPictures/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=115 and http://groups.msn.com/LosiPaulsPictures/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=118 for just how much off-road we go.) > and dont forget ... someone will buy just about any 4x4 if the price is > right for them .. Suki's Lada's Panda's All of which are pretty capable off-roaders. > Rockster's ... do I need to go on.. Nah! Well. yeah, that's about on a par with a Korando ... but isn't normally a real 4x4, just 'looks' like a cheap American copy. SignaturePaul ... (8(|) Homer Rules ..... Doh !!! ebay stuff 5220527879 7987515557 > Korandos are, were and probably never will be, 'too good' for anything. > > I run a Discovery worth far more than that thing and it goes off-road just > as much as any other Landrover I know Careful, you'll have the brainless donkeys claiming tha tyouare rubbishign Land Rover products and probably tha tyou are related to Damien 666 on your mother's side. Or at least judging by the frothing at the mouth hysteria that greeted my near-identical comment. Signature"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Steve Firth came up with the following;: >> Korandos are, were and probably never will be, 'too good' for anything. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Damien 666 on your mother's side. Or at least judging by the frothing at > the mouth hysteria that greeted my near-identical comment. Heheheh I, and you I guess, have wide enough shoulders for a little banter and sh.t-stirring on Usenet. I stand by, and I guess you do too, anything I say on this medium which is after all a free discussion forum where _any_ views might be aired free from censorship. Doesn't mean I'm right, or wrong, but it _does_ mean I can say what I feel ... ;) SignaturePaul ... (8(|) Homer Rules ..... Doh !!! ebay stuff 5220527879 7987515557 >brainless donkeys claiming tha tyouare > rubbishign Land Rover products and probably tha tyou are related to > Damien 666 on your mother's side. Now say that in English . . . SignatureBudgie NB Reply to newsgroup. Email address will get you nowhere. > Now say that in English . . . I think what he was trying to say was; "Nurse! The screens!" SignatureFor every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert |
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