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Car Forum / UK Car Forums / Car Maintenance (UK group) / January 2007

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Escort brakes gone.  Master cyclinder?

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kris@revengeguy.co.uk - 21 Jan 2007 22:59 GMT
Whilst driving home tonight the brakes on my 98 escort suddenly went,
the pedal travelled all the way to the floor and the braking
deteriorated rapidly.   If the brakes were rested for a few minutes
then they still stopepd the car but then the pedal would sink to the
floor again and the braking force would just vanish.

I wasn't far from home and dind't have to go on any main roads or down
any steep hills so managed to coax it home at about 10mph but obviously
i can't use it again until it's sorted. Is this likely to be the master
cylinder thats gone or  could it be something else?

Thanks

Kris
Mike G - 22 Jan 2007 01:37 GMT
> Whilst driving home tonight the brakes on my 98 escort suddenly went,
> the pedal travelled all the way to the floor and the braking
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> i can't use it again until it's sorted. Is this likely to be the master
> cylinder thats gone or  could it be something else?

If ther are no visible leaks, failing m/cyl seals could very well be the
cause.
When was the last time the brake fluid was changed?
Mike.
Conor - 22 Jan 2007 03:00 GMT
> > Whilst driving home tonight the brakes on my 98 escort suddenly went,
> > the pedal travelled all the way to the floor and the braking
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> If ther are no visible leaks, failing m/cyl seals could very well be the
> cause.

In addition to that, you can get the same symptoms with seized brakes
or leaving the handbrake on. The fluid boils and you get no braking so
you stop, it cools down and they work again for a short time.

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Andy Dingley <dingbat@codesmiths.com> - 22 Jan 2007 21:25 GMT
> Is this likely to be the master
> cylinder thats gone or  could it be something else?

Could be anything, but a master cylinder failure is unlikely to have
recovered a few minutes later.  Simplest cause might just be that the
fluid is old and damp - then it boiled on you. It could be the pads
fading out, especially if things are worn around the front end, but
that usually needs noticeable heavy braking to cause it.

It _is_ pushing 10 years old and I bet that the only maintenance it has
ever had was new pads. As a bare minimum, I'd want all the rubbers
(seals and hoses) and fluids replaced before I thought about driving it
again. It's a pain to do anything at all to a braking system, but once
you've split the things apart once it's little extra work to do the
whole lot in one go. I'd check the disks too.

Unless the stripped master looks obviously damaged (polished or scored
inside) then I'd be happy enough to begin by replacing its seals,
rather than an exchange cylinder. Obviously this requires sufficient
competence and clean working space to rebuild it, but it's not rocket
science.
MrCheerful - 24 Jan 2007 11:09 GMT
<dingbat@codesmiths.com> wrote in message
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>> Is this likely to be the master
>> cylinder thats gone or  could it be something else?
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> competence and clean working space to rebuild it, but it's not rocket
> science.

Many masters do not have seal kits available now.  however the price of new
masters is quite reasonable at about 60 quid upwards.  Most people won't
have the experience/knowledge to rebuild a master anyway.
 
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