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Car Forum / UK Car Forums / Car Maintenance (UK group) / August 2007

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VW Polo dies accelerating

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mark.leason@tesco.net - 28 Aug 2007 21:10 GMT
I recently took my 1991 1.3 Polo to my local (non VW) garage as it had
begun
to overheat after a very brief run.  I drove the car to the garage
(about
one mile) and, despite the short distance, the car was driving fine.
I was
informed the overheating was 'just due to a loose connection' for
which I
was not charged.  On leaving the garage the car began losing power
under
acceleration (particularly in first gear), resulting in me having to
drop
down gears and/or attempt to drive at a consistent rev level.
Dropping down or decelerating resulted in the car picking back up
again.  In addition, moving off
from a standing start was almost impossible resulting in me having to
slip
the clutch whilst maintaining consistent revs.  Despite this on a
couple of occasions it just stalled.  I took the car straight back
whereby the mechanic drove the car and agreed something was amiss.

I have now been informed the problem is
'probably the ECU'.  The car was sent to a local electrical auto
specialist
who could find nothing wrong with any electrics other than to suggest
the
above.  The car has recently had a new distributor (circa 12 months
ago)
which I am told has tested OK as have the other likely mechanical
'culprits'
(I write this as someone with little knowledge of engines).  The
garage has
suggested they source a second hand ECU assuming they can find one to
match
to check if this is the problem.

Aside from the overheating - which only happened once and
was not severe - the car is generally solid and had been running
perfect
prior to taking it in.  From a layman's point of view it appears that
the
problem has resulted from something which changed whilst in the garage
but
I'm willing to accept it may just be a co-incidence.  I'm happy to
stump up
£50 for a second hand ECU but would appreciate your views on the
likelihood
of this being the problem.  Finally, I drove the car back from the
garage
prior to the weekend and it was performing better than when I first
reported
the problem - although it wasn't great it didn't come close to
stalling.

I appreciate, even as a layman, that it could be a number of things.
However, would an ECU problem result in varying performance or would
you expect to see the same'ish problems whenever it's driven?  I've
had the car for many years so if you need any more info please ask.

Many thanks
Chris Bartram - 28 Aug 2007 21:49 GMT
> I have now been informed the problem is
> 'probably the ECU'.  

There's lots of things it could be. The ECU would be way down my list.
Things to check/have checked:

* Distributor- especially the hall sender. Quite a common failure. I
think the bearings get a bit of play in, and then the vanes in it hit
the hall sender.

* Fuel pump/fuel filter

* ignition amplifier

* Distributor cap, HT leads and plugs

* Fuel injection unit (I'm guessing this is single-point, not
multi-point injection)

* Have the timing checked. It shouldn't have got disturbed, but I've
seen a few come back from garages with it way out of wack.

How well does the car idle? Is it smooth and even, and just lacking in
power when you try to accelerate?

Any obvious loose wires?
Duncan Wood - 28 Aug 2007 22:09 GMT
>> I have now been informed the problem is
>> 'probably the ECU'.
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>
> Any obvious loose wires?

Or air leaks.
mark.leason@tesco.net - 28 Aug 2007 22:10 GMT
> mark.lea...@tesco.net wrote:
> > I have now been informed the problem is
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>
> Any obvious loose wires?

Thanks Chris

I'm not a mechanic by any means but I was sceptical of the ECU.  Re
your question the car idles OK.  It's only under acceleration that it
struggles.  I started it on the drive the other day and I struggled to
get it moving (on a flat road) without it dying on me.  I managed to
slip the clutch enough to the point that I could eventually release it
fully and then coax it up a bit.  When I bought it back from the
garage it was fine pulling away other than the odd judder but then it
started dying again under acceleration.  Not sure if that helps but in
summary it's not consistent.  The only consistent thing seems to be
that if you 'floor it' it has the reverse effect!
Harry Bloomfield - 28 Aug 2007 22:20 GMT
It happens that mark.leason@tesco.net formulated :

> I'm not a mechanic by any means but I was sceptical of the ECU.  Re
> your question the car idles OK.  It's only under acceleration that it
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> summary it's not consistent.  The only consistent thing seems to be
> that if you 'floor it' it has the reverse effect!

I would try a new fuel filter then perhaps a new coil or ignition
module. A filter can block itself up quite quickly, especially with a
tank of dirty fuel.

Does the exhaust note sound normal? Might be the internals of the CAT
breaking up and obstructing the flow.

ECU would also be at the very bottom of my list.

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Chris Bartram - 29 Aug 2007 21:05 GMT
> I would try a new fuel filter then perhaps a new coil or ignition
> module. A filter can block itself up quite quickly, especially with a
> tank of dirty fuel.

A very good point. Polos of that age have a weak point where the fuel
filler meets the main tank. Like many VW cars of the time the filler is
in the wheelarch and takes a bashing. Unlike other VWs, it's one piece
with the tank. Anyway, it rusts. Usually it leaks, but there could be a
load of rust and shite in the fuel. I've never looked where the fuel
filter is on a 1991 car- SWMBO had a Polo but it was a bit older, and
pre fuel injection.
mark.leason@tesco.net - 29 Aug 2007 22:45 GMT
> > I would try a new fuel filter then perhaps a new coil or ignition
> > module. A filter can block itself up quite quickly, especially with a
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> filter is on a 1991 car- SWMBO had a Polo but it was a bit older, and
> pre fuel injection.

Thanks all.  I'm going to find an independent VW dealer - I'm not sure
a main dealer will be worth the cost given how much the car's worth -
and I'll be armed with a bit more knowledge.  It certainly drives like
it's starving of fuel so thanks for that.
Chinese Cracker - 29 Aug 2007 10:41 GMT
I'd say its not the ECU but that the ECU has sensed
a fault and gone into limp home mode.
 
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